Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

XeroRespect

This too shall PAX...
For my driver, I find the AC 7.4v 1701 to fit me perfectly lately. I still need a new AC Glass.

I have been loving my Persei with AC dual coil @ 7.4v. In fact I just ordered a second AC for a backup setup, and thanks to your recommendation I ordered a couple of the 7.4v 1701s to give a try. Was never a fan of it at 3.7
 
I have been loving my Persei with AC dual coil @ 7.4v. In fact I just ordered a second AC for a backup setup, and thanks to your recommendation I ordered a couple of the 7.4v 1701s to give a try. Was never a fan of it at 3.7
If you have a core, try your 3.7@ 4.2 or a little above.

The 7.4 does not disappoint w/ it's clouds, but the flavor was not as tasty as my lower voltage 1701 running @ 4.8v. I'll need to spend more time with it to find a sweet spot, though - I did not like my lower voltage unit until I ran it at 4.6-4.8, so this higher voltage unit probably has a surprise sweet spot waiting to be discovered as well.

@DieHard yeah, hopefully replacement glass came in. Though a KISS AC nibbler might be an ok substitute.
 

Roth

Pining for the Mountains
Can anyone offer any comparisons between the KISS Gen 3's 3.7V single coil to the KISS AC 3.7V single coil?

Do they both offer comparable performance?

Is the advantage of the AC primarily that you have a globe as well as the donut for an option, and the option to rock at 7.4V depending on the cart?
 

lonelyhero

the lost soul
Company Rep
Since I ordered a bender yesterday I've got a few questions.

Are there any instructions anywhere? Didn't see any on w9tech.com

And is it possible to load less than .5 maybe adding stainless washers or a glass bead to take up space?

Also any recommended core setting to help a new user avoid burning?
 
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Roth

Pining for the Mountains
How difficult is it to switch out heating rods on a Herc that's got a loaded coil?

Is it possible it you switch it out while the Herc is cooling down, but still slightly warm (so it doesn't stick to the coil)?

I have a 3.7V rod coming in with my SR-74x. Wanted to experiment around with both 3.7V and 7.4V to see what I like. Hoping I can make the 3.7V work for me, as carrying around the SS 18350 with it would be nice for travel.



And just for clarification, on the SR-74x product page it says it includes:

"1 x 7.4V All black Hercules SR-74x Heater core."


However, when you go to buy extra heating rods, it states:

"SR74 White Rod = 7.4V, 23 watts
SR74 Black Rod = 3.7V, 16 watts"



Which is correct? I ordered the extra SR74 Black Rod. Are they both technically the same rod, and I just have an extra? Or am I missing something here?

Thanks!
 
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lonelyhero

the lost soul
Company Rep
The rod included is tuned to run at 7.4 should be about 2.4 ohm the black rod is tuned for 3.7 but I don't recall the correct ohm reading as I do not have one myself
 
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DieHard

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Since I ordered a bender yesterday I've got a few questions.

Are there any instructions anywhere? Didn't see any on w9tech.com

And is it possible to load less than .5 maybe adding stainless washers or a glass bead to take up space?

Also any recommended core setting to help a new user avoid burning?
You can stack some SS washers around the base of the Hammer Rod to raise the Bender chamber up a bit. This effectively reduces the amount of herb required, how much depends on how high you raise it up. You WILL combust probably 10 times before you get the hang of it. Don't be discouraged, you will find your sweet spot. The flavor is worth it. IMO part of the reason that the flavor is so amazing IS the chamber size. When vaping that much herb at the same the, the flavors abound.

Edit: the SR-71 white Rod (7.4v) has a greater range available when it comes to wattage and variable voltage.
 

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@lonelyhero , practice, practice,practice:tup: once your rod is up to temp & you start to get vapor, you wanna pulse or on/off if using Hammer Top, so as not to Combust. It's hard to give advice cuz it's a technique you learn by actually doing & experimenting.
I'll have to agree with @DieHard , you'll definitely Combust a bunch while trying to learn & get technique down. But worth the effort! IMHO. Good Luck & Enjoy Bending:rockon:
 
Can anyone offer any comparisons between the KISS Gen 3's 3.7V single coil to the KISS AC 3.7V single coil?

Do they both offer comparable performance?

Is the advantage of the AC primarily that you have a globe as well as the donut for an option, and the option to rock at 7.4V depending on the cart?
The swappable skillets (like the globe) is where the KISS AC differs from the gen3 KISS stuff.

KISS carts are (somewhat) disposable. You can't just buy a new skillet when it breaks and put it in there, you have to buy a new cart. They are possible to rebuild, but require skill and some parts that can be tough to acquire.

AC is globe style, where the skillet can be swapped on the fly (when it's cool enough to touch!). It comes w/ 3 different skillets and both globe and cart options, so it's a bit like a modular KISS cart.

As far as performance comparison, I have only tried the 3rd gen KISS cart a few times, but it's comparable to the AC. Like @StormyPinkness mentioned a bit back, there's no oil "creep" like the KISS mini suffers from, at least not right away. I put in a good 0.15-0.2 which it vaporized completely in a second or two long pluse of my HVD top's button. There was no splatter anywhere to be seen, which surprised me. Not sure if the airflow is any different between the carts, but MAN that seemed efficient. Also the 2-part construction is much nicer, IMO, than the old 3-part.

The 3rd gen KISS is way smaller than the AC, and lighter. So if you wanted something inconspicuous and highly portable for a small pen, I'd go 3rd gen KISS, keeping in mind that the unit will need replacing down the line. If you wanted more options, and longer product lifetime I'd go KISS AC -- All the skillets for the AC can fail, but at least you can swap new ones into the same unit. And buying them in bulk is cheap, unlike the 3rd gen KISS carts.

Also of note: my KISS AC gets wicked hot. The 3rd gen cart has been used only a few times, and not for sessions, so I can't know how hot it CAN get, but it didn't retain heat the same way.
 
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DrRishi

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How difficult is it to switch out heating rods on a Herc that's got a loaded coil?

Is it possible it you switch it out while the Herc is cooling down, but still slightly warm (so it doesn't stick to the coil)?
I have done this a few times. Just make sure it is still warm, then you should be able to pull the rod out as long as you have taken off the securing thumb nut.
 
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I have done this a few times. Just make sure it is still warm, then you should be able to pull the rod out as long as you have taken off the securing thumb nut.
@Roth might want to clean the inside of the threaded part (I use an alcohol soaked q-tip stick-- not the tip, the stick), to ensure good contact w/ the clean rod.
 
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tharealmclovin

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Guess I'm not meant to have a kiss globe. First kiss globe broken in 2 days, AC globe in 1 day, and now my new Globe broken before I even loaded a second dab. :(
 
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Roth

Pining for the Mountains
The rod included is tuned to run at 7.4 should be about 2.4 ohm the black rod is tuned for 3.7 but I don't recall the correct ohm reading as I do not have one myself

So the information is incorrect in the product page (it's actually a white 7.4V rod included with the SR-74x), or are there two DIFFERENT black rods? One black rod tuned for 7.4V (the one included) and the black rod tuned for 3.7V (the one available for separate purchase).



The swappable skillets (like the globe) is where the KISS AC differs from the gen3 KISS stuff.

KISS carts are (somewhat) disposable. You can't just buy a new skillet when it breaks and put it in there, you have to buy a new cart. They are possible to rebuild, but require skill and some parts that can be tough to acquire.

AC is globe style, where the skillet can be swapped on the fly (when it's cool enough to touch!). It comes w/ 3 different skillets and both globe and cart options, so it's a bit like a modular KISS cart.

As far as performance comparison, I have only tried the 3rd gen KISS cart a few times, but it's comparable to the AC. Like @StormyPinkness mentioned a bit back, there's no oil "creep" like the KISS mini suffers from, at least not right away. I put in a good 0.15-0.2 which it vaporized completely in a second or two long pluse of my HVD top's button. There was no splatter anywhere to be seen, which surprised me. Not sure if the airflow is any different between the carts, but MAN that seemed efficient. Also the 2-part construction is much nicer, IMO, than the old 3-part.

The 3rd gen KISS is way smaller than the AC, and lighter. So if you wanted something inconspicuous and highly portable for a small pen, I'd go 3rd gen KISS, keeping in mind that the unit will need replacing down the line. If you wanted more options, and longer product lifetime I'd go KISS AC -- All the skillets for the AC can fail, but at least you can swap new ones into the same unit. And buying them in bulk is cheap, unlike the 3rd gen KISS carts.

Also of note: my KISS AC gets wicked hot. The 3rd gen cart has been used only a few times, and not for sessions, so I can't know how hot it CAN get, but it didn't retain heat the same way.

Awesome, definitely the info I was looking for. I picked up a single and dual coil KISS gen 3 to play around with on my SS 18350. Looking for something small and light, so it definitely fits the bill. I have been using some KISS mini's for a little bit, and enjoy them. And not having the oil creep up the sides will be great too.

I'll have my KISS mini when I need something super sneaky. The 18350 SS with a KISS gen 3 or a 3.7V SR-74x if I find I enjoy the Herc at 3.7, for when I'm traveling and need some stealth, but not overkill. And then I'll have the 7.4V Herc for when stealth is of no concern.

Think I should have all bases covered!

I have done this a few times. Just make sure it is still warm, then you should be able to pull the rod out as long as you have taken off the securing thumb nut.

@Roth might want to clean the inside of the threaded part (I use an alcohol soaked q-tip stick-- not the tip, the stick), to ensure good contact w/ the clean rod.

Appreciate the tip, will be sure to implement it when I experiment switching between voltages.

Guess I'm not meant to have a kiss globe. First kiss globe broken in 2 days, AC globe in 1 day, and now my new Globe broken before I even loaded a second dab. :(

The glass itself broke? How?
 
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Roth

Pining for the Mountains
The spare rod page here: http://www.w9tech.com/hercules-ceramic-heater/
Has a drop down menu there are 2 white rods 71/74 and 2 black rods 71/74 the sr71 and sr74 use different rods that's why there's 2 of each listed

Exactly.

On the spare rod page, there are two rods for the SR-74. There is the SR-74 White Rod (7.4V) and the SR-74 Black Rod (3.7V).

However, when you look at the SR-74x product page, it says it includes:

"1 x 7.4V All black Hercules SR-74x Heater core."

According to the spare rod page, the 7.4V SR-74 rod should be white not black.

So what I'm trying to figure out is, is that just a type in the Hercules product description? Or are there two different black rods for the SR-74, one 7.4V (the one included) and one 3.7V (the one available for purchase).

@SamuraiSam any insight?
 
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DrRishi

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So what I'm trying to figure out is, is that just a type in the Hercules product description? Or are there two different black rods for the SR-74, one 7.4V (the one included) and one 3.7V (the one available for purchase).
Looks like a typo. I have the kit and you get an SR 74 White Rod 7.4V.

The description on the site for the replacement rods is clear. SR74 rods are also for SR74x:

  • SR71 White Rod = 7.4V, 40 watts
  • SR71 Black Rod = 3.7V, 16 watts
  • SR74 White Rod = 7.4V, 23 watts
  • SR74 Black Rod = 3.7V, 16 watts
@SamuraiSam: can you confirm?
 
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lonelyhero

the lost soul
Company Rep
What that's talking about is the all black outer shell tho I'm not sure why since there aren't options for colored ones even the 3.7 rods are white but the spot between the tungsten bands is black to identify it as the 3.7 rod
 

SamuraiSam

Extraction Technician
Exactly.

On the spare rod page, there are two rods for the SR-74. There is the SR-74 White Rod (7.4V) and the SR-74 Black Rod (3.7V).

However, when you look at the SR-74x product page, it says it includes:

"1 x 7.4V All black Hercules SR-74x Heater core."

According to the spare rod page, the 7.4V SR-74 rod should be white not black.

So what I'm trying to figure out is, is that just a type in the Hercules product description? Or are there two different black rods for the SR-74, one 7.4V (the one included) and one 3.7V (the one available for purchase).

@SamuraiSam any insight?
That's a typo, thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Black denotes a .08Ω rod for 3.7V only. White is 7.4V.
Only white rods change resistance between generations.

SR-71 - 1.5Ω +/- 0.2Ω
SR-74 - 2.3Ω +/- 0.2Ω
SR-74x - 2.1Ω +/- 0.2Ω

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BK89

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What is the reason for the two different size o-rings that come with the Nibbler XL? Three are skinnier and the other three are thicker. I had the thinner one on the mouthpiece and it took me a while to figure out why I wasn't getting a seal.
 
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lonelyhero

the lost soul
Company Rep
What is the reason for the two different size o-rings that come with the Nibbler XL? Three are skinnier and the other three are thicker. I had the thinner one on the mouthpiece and it took me a while to figure out why I wasn't getting a seal.

It's to compensate for minor differences in the nibbler xl production some seal better with the thicker rings some seal better with the thinner ones

Edit: also @SamuraiSam I must have gotten a very early sr74x when I ordered it said I was getting a 74 but I received the 74x chambers with a 74 spring loaded bottom adapter and 2.4 ohm rod
 
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SamuraiSam

Extraction Technician
It's to compensate for minor differences in the nibbler xl production some seal better with the thicker rings some seal better with the thinner ones

Edit: also @SamuraiSam I must have gotten a very early sr74x when I ordered it said I was getting a 74 but I received the 74x chambers with a 74 spring loaded bottom adapter and 2.4 ohm rod
Must have been an SR-74 kit we had sitting around that we put the -x upgrade kit on for free.

Ninja upgrade program: upgraded in secret before you even knew an upgrade was available.

My go-to herc is an SR-74 later upgraded with the x kit. I have a 2.3Ω rod and have never used a 2.1Ω rod. It's not available on its own, which means I might someday need a fourth Hercules.

Help... someone shoot me
 

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@tharealmclovin , Bummer! sounds like you have a bad case of the Butterfingers, like myself, I can't hold a Fucking thing:bang: I'm constantly dropping something! Luckily for me, I've yet to break a globe, Nibbler or God forbid my expensive Bender. But have had a couple close calls. When I had just received my Nibbler XL, it slipped out of the protective bubble wrap and fell from over a foot to the hardwood floor, Whew I got lucky that it survived without any damage. Keep trying if you can afford to. Good luck in the future:rockon:

@Roth, yeah my :2c: would be that "all black" refers to the outer appearance of The Hercules Shell. Looks like Sam says it's a typo. Not sure about the performance of the black rod( got 2 I've yet to try), but the white Kicks Ass! I purchased the original 71 when it first came out that had the option to get both voltages & the 3.7 was blue for herbs I believe. I haven't used the Hercules much since buying it, cuz oil here was/is too expensive & at the moment last few months almost unavailable. So I've been using LAYG Carts to conserve. But the few grams I ran through were Bliss:tup: But when I get back to making my own, the Hercules will go back to the top of my rotation.:mmmm:

@THC SCIENTIFIC , thanks for the Awesome 40% off sale:tup: Just keep taking my $$ HAHAHA:rofl:. Got the Kiss AC , Kiss Gen 3 & bunch of other stuff. Your the Man :rockon: I'll be sure to post my reviews of the new for me items. I'm sure I'll be HAPPY with my purchase as I ALWAYS am!! :peace:
 
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Hello!

I will start to make my own QWET concentrates soon, mostly for edibles but I want to vaporize it as well so... what vaporizer should I buy? xD I know it's a very open question but what I want is this:

1) Healthy
2) Flavor
3) Portability

I don't care if it is expensive, I just want the best. I was thinking about purchasing a Persei mostly for the hability to swap batteries when needed (batteries do die with time :/), an titanium Alpha Centauri cart and some bubbler (nibbler or something). Will this work with straight QWET concentrates? how much oil can this cart hold?

One last question: do these pens leak oil if I were to put it... let's say in my pocket or just throw it out in my bag? or do I have to hold the pen straight up so no oils fall down due to gravity? how does this work?

I hope you guys can help me because I still don't fully understand how do this Persei pen works :)

Thank you
 
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Hello!

I will start to make my own QWET concentrates soon, mostly for edibles but I want to vaporize it as well so... what vaporizer should I buy? xD I know it's a very open question but what I want is this:

1) Healthy
2) Flavor
3) Portability

I don't care if it is expensive, I just want the best. I was thinking about purchasing a Persei mostly for the hability to swap batteries when needed (batteries do die with time :/), an titanium Alpha Centauri cart and some bubbler (nibbler or something). Will this work with straight QWET concentrates? how much oil can this cart hold?

One last question: do these pens leak oil if I were to put it... let's say in my pocket or just throw it out in my bag? or do I have to hold the pen straight up so no oils fall down due to gravity? how does this work?

I hope you guys can help me because I still don't fully understand how do this Persei pen works :)

Thank you

If you can figure out the 8 then i would suggest that as it has nothing in there to hold you back on your quest for more power.
 
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