Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

[Roth]

Been researching the Persei/Hercules recently and have a few questions for those in the know.

Hercules questions:

1)Can the SR-74x be run at 3.7V? I see it only comes with a 7.4V rod, but a 3.7V rod is available as a spare part. It says it's for the SR-74, I assume it would work with the SR-74x too (what's the difference between the 74 and 74x?)

2)If the SR-74x can be run at 3.7V, what are the pros/cons vs 7.4V?


Persei questions:

1) The SS Kit only allows you to run at 3.7V, correct? (Either 1 18650 or 1 18350)

2) The main difference between the SS Kit and the standard body, is the standard body has an adjustable base plate to accommodate the slightly different lengths of 1 18650 (3.7V) vs 2 18350's (7.4V), right? Is there much of a length difference between the 18650 SS Kit and the standard body?

3) Can the adjustable base plate in the standard body be adjusted without the special tool that comes with the Persei? Could I use a screw driver, or something else to adjust it? Obviously the included tool is the ideal thing, just want to know if I could adjust it while out and about and I didn't have the tool with me.

4)What does the "Ti series" indicate in the Persei? As far as I can tell, there's no titanium, is there?



I currently have the Vaporizer/Kiss Mini, and am looking for something I can load more into while still keeping great flavor.

Many thanks for the help, hope to join the Hercules family soon!

 

[SamuraiSam]

Hercules questions:

1)Can the SR-74x be run at 3.7V? I see it only comes with a 7.4V rod, but a 3.7V rod is available as a spare part. It says it's for the SR-74, I assume it would work with the SR-74x too (what's the difference between the 74 and 74x?)

You are correct, The SR-74 and SR-74x can use the same heating rods. The SR-74 came with a threaded top cap and a spring loaded bottom insulator, and the SR-74x reverted to the threadless top cap and a mechanical bottom insulator. Rod placement is easier to set on the -74x and the chamber has been optimized for one Titanium coil. SR-71 and SR-74 are more suited to more coil for bigger loads.

2)If the SR-74x can be run at 3.7V, what are the pros/cons vs 7.4V?

7.4V has more power, shorter pulses. Completely different techniques are needed for the different rods- you'll be holding power a long time on the black rod, and using shorter pulses of power with the 7.4V rod. Most people prefer the Hercules at 7.4V so that's how it comes. It's been quite some time since it was offered in a kit with a 3.7V option.

Persei questions:

1) The SS Kit only allows you to run at 3.7V, correct? (Either 1 18650 or 1 18350)

Yes sir, you got it. Those tubes are designed to fit a single battery only, thus 3.7V operation. Either a single 18650 or single 18350, you get both tubes in the kit with one bottom spring.

2) The main difference between the SS Kit and the standard body, is the standard body has an adjustable base plate to accommodate the slightly different lengths of 1 18650 (3.7V) vs 2 18350's (7.4V), right? Is there much of a length difference between the 18650 SS Kit and the standard body?

V1-V3 Persei have a garnish ring that sits on the Tube and spaces the Top. The SS kit tube doesn't have this, and is slightly shorter.

V2 top on shorty SS tube 3 1/4" tall.
V1 top on 18650 SS tube. 4 1/2" tall.
Standard V1 Persei is 4 7/8" tall,
and the V4 Persei is about 5 1/8"

V1 and V2 tops are the same size. I don't have a V3 top to compare to. The V4 top is slightly taller.

3) Can the adjustable base plate in the standard body be adjusted without the special tool that comes with the Persei? Could I use a screw driver, or something else to adjust it? Obviously the included tool is the ideal thing, just want to know if I could adjust it while out and about and I didn't have the tool with me.

Sure. Any tool that will fit in one of the holes will work. I find its easiest to lay the Persei horizontally and spin the plate.

4)What does the "Ti series" indicate in the Persei? As far as I can tell, there's no titanium, is there?

The Ti series Persei comes with a 7.4V Titanium KISS cartridge and batteries to power it. Prior versions of the Persei were packaged with different cartridges.

 

[mixchu69]

I have been a huge fan of w9, being my only portable oil source. I've tried others like dr. dabbler, puffco, cloud v and a few others. Never had a bad taste with any carts.

However, when using the single coil AC on my omicron lite, it tastes like burnt metal, like some of my previous pens. I have no idea what I am doing wrong because all my previous kiss carts were great. I think 1 malfunctioned out of 10.

 

[Roth]

You are correct, The SR-74 and SR-74x can use the same heating rods. The SR-74 came with a threaded top cap and a spring loaded bottom insulator, and the SR-74x reverted to the threadless top cap and a mechanical bottom insulator. Rod placement is easier to set on the -74x and the chamber has been optimized for one Titanium coil. SR-71 and SR-74 are more suited to more coil for bigger loads.
7.4V has more power, shorter pulses. Completely different techniques are needed for the different rods- you'll be holding power a long time on the black rod, and using shorter pulses of power with the 7.4V rod. Most people prefer the Hercules at 7.4V so that's how it comes. It's been quite some time since it was offered in a kit with a 3.7V option.
Yes sir, you got it. Those tubes are designed to fit a single battery only, thus 3.7V operation. Either a single 18650 or single 18350, you get both tubes in the kit with one bottom spring.
V1-V3 Persei have a garnish ring that sits on the Tube and spaces the Top. The SS kit tube doesn't have this, and is slightly shorter.

V2 top on shorty SS tube 3 1/4" tall.
V1 top on 18650 SS tube. 4 1/2" tall.
Standard V1 Persei is 4 7/8" tall,
and the V4 Persei is about 5 1/8"

V1 and V2 tops are the same size. I don't have a V3 top to compare to. The V4 top is slightly taller.

Sure. Any tool that will fit in one of the holes will work. I find its easiest to lay the Persei horizontally and spin the plate.

The Ti series Persei comes with a 7.4V Titanium KISS cartridge and batteries to power it. Prior versions of the Persei were packaged with different cartridges.

Fantastic! Thank you very much for hitting all my questions so quickly

Regarding the SR-74x 3.7V vs 7.4V, is the 3.7V still able to produce hits that are equal in taste/size as the 7.4V, as long as you use proper technique (and taking a little longer to get there)?

Just trying to see if getting a 3.7V rod would make sense if I want to take the Herc out with a short SS tube for pocketability.

 

[SamuraiSam]

I am not a master of the 3.7V rod like a few on this forum; its a rarity that I use it. I prefer 7.4V. I can't get as big of clouds or as much satisfaction per hit with 3.7V. When on the go, the 30+ second warmup and long session time of the low-power rod are bigger detractors for me, personally, than the 2" gained by using an additional battery. I like the 18350 on the Hercules even less than I like the 18650, which just isn't my personal preference. I like POWER. Not to say I don't like the black rod period because it can do amazing things. Just not at 3.7V.

 

[jason5117]

On the 8 vaporizer where do I put the circuit board when I use 2 18350?

 

[lonelyhero]

On the 8 vaporizer where do I put the circuit board when I use 2 18350?

basically what your going to want to do is lower the adjustable spring to be maybe 1/8th from the bottom then screw the bottom cap back on to slowly raise it so its as low as possible in the tube then put the fuse on the bottom battery so it rests on the spring

 

[jason5117]

So I should lower the battery then put the circuit board on the bottom of the bottom battery? Thanks

 

[ragnorokk]

So I should lower the battery then put the circuit board on the bottom of the bottom battery? Thanks

Lower the spring, anyway. You don't need to shoot for a specific spot on the batteries (unlike adjusting on a Persei), you just need for the spring plate to be interfering with the bottom cap. This will cause the motion of screwing in the bottom cap to screw in the spring plate to the lowest position it can physically be at while still accepting the bottom cap. Then cram the batteries, with fuse (I'm told its actually more like a heat sink, but I digress) on bottom side of bottom battery, with the magnetic button top facing up like the batteries. The top battery will stick out more than you anticipate it should, but that's the lowest setting you can get w/ the bottom cap on.

 

[Steven]

Has anyone tried the sr-74x (0.8 ohm back rod) with a temperature control mod? I am thinking this could be an awesome combo. To be honest, I am at the point where it is temp control or nothing for me and would love to see all carts subohm.

I been using the Hercules sr74x with the black rod on the Heatvape Invader Mini with temp Control. So far I love it. If you leave the Hercules screwed in and don't remove it, it never slips out of temp Control mode. Once removed, you must wait for the Hercules to cool down and drop resistance for it to work in temp Control mode. Only black rod is possible in current ecig temp Control. I white wall my bubbler piece within 2 seconds, I just ride the button, flavor is perfection, and clouds are great. Just a heads up the yihi chips in the ipv mods don't work with ceramic as well as the evolv chips or its variants

 

[Roth]

I'm trying to place an order while the 710 sale is still going on. I enter UPTECH710 and it says that code expired 7/13/2015.

I thought the sale was extended until midnight tonight? I checked the code about an hour ago and it seemed to still work then.

@SamuraiSam @THC SCIENTIFIC

Any ideas what the problem might be? Was ready to place my order for a Herc, 4 batteries, and a 3.7V rod. Hoping to hear back soon, really wanted to join the Herc team.

 

[DieHard]

After using the prototype Herc upper tank, I can report that it definately has its good and bad. The good: no leaking into the reclaim chamber. Not as much emphasis on cool down hits. The bad: As indicated by @THC SCIENTIFIC and @SamuraiSam, the flavor does suffer because of repeated heating of the oil. Cool down hits don't really cool the oil because the cooling air is always above the oil. I have tried really hard to cool it from the outside to retain flavor.
I am testing it with the SS sponge from the SR71. I will also try with the Ti Sponge from the SR74. I also have to try it with the ceramic wicks from the 1701 as well, in a super LAYG manner.

 

[lucky778]

What the new 3rd generation TI Gr 2 Kiss cart on the website with the wierd looking picture?

http://www.w9tech.com/kiss-titanium-grade-2-gen-3-black/

 

[thegoo]

What the new 3rd generation TI Gr 2 Kiss cart on the website with the wierd looking picture?

http://www.w9tech.com/kiss-titanium-grade-2-gen-3-black/

It is the new 3rd generation Kiss cart, it was just released the first week of July. It comes in single TI and Dual TI, it is sweet.

Edit: It is much wider than the 2nd Gen kiss cart and with the dual ti coils, it is a real beast.

 

[ragnorokk]

After using the prototype Herc upper tank, I can report that it definately has its good and bad. The good: no leaking into the reclaim chamber. Not as much emphasis on cool down hits. The bad: As indicated by @THC SCIENTIFIC and @SamuraiSam, the flavor does suffer because of repeated heating of the oil. Cool down hits don't really cool the oil because the cooling air is always above the oil. I have tried really hard to cool it from the outside to retain flavor.
I am testing it with the SS sponge from the SR71. I will also try with the Ti Sponge from the SR74. I also have to try it with the ceramic wicks from the 1701 as well, in a super LAYG manner.

Id like to know if the learning curve of the Hercules is less severe with the prototype top chamber. Like, has anyone tested it on a hercules virgin to see if they can use it properly right out of the box? That alone could move some units; several of my friends are definitely put off by the nuances of the Hercules. Those same friends would love the Herc, once they had it mastered, but I can't see them putting in the time to learn if there isn't an "easy mode" available to cut their teeth on. Probably the best test would be a group of Herc noobs, like a smoking circle at a party. You can't just hand a bunch of strangers a Herc or bender, and expect them to get decent results.

Of course, with the possibility of temp control in the future using the Iris v2, the learning curve on the Bender and Hercules will drop considerably. The myriad Herc flavors will all still have caveats, but at least accidental overheating might be less of an issue (and using the bender anxiety-free would be a real relief).

 

[DieHard]

Using it without the heat shield and then hold it in the cold blast from the car A/C. This is my workaround so far.

Using This kinda makes me think that the Herc is as good as it can be as is. It is very technique driven, but nothing worth doing is easy.

 

[lucky778]

Glad you like the Herc. Thank you for the support.




The carts are designed for the specific voltages, you can run a bit hotter but not to hot.

7.4v is already the limit for a ti kiss cart so running it lower is recommended.

as for the 3.7v version you can in essence run it at 3.8 or 3.9v max if you know how to pulse the button.

but my recommendations are not something that you should take as a guarantee it will work, as running anything with more power increases chance of it breaking.



glad you like it boss man.



we are getting more Kiss AC units as we speak and slowly shipping them out as best as we can.

So i can run a 7.4 volt kiss cart at 5.0 volts on the core with no issues?

 

[ragnorokk]

So i can run a 7.4 volt kiss cart at 5.0 volts on the core with no issues?

Depends on the top you're using. The core shouldn't get angry about 5V, but most device tops will. I'll venture to guess that a v1 Persei top would do it without putting up a fuss. Certainly an 8 should work.

Edit: depending on the cart resistance, 5V may be a crap experience, should you be able to make it happen.

 

[SamuraiSam]

Using This kinda makes me think that the Herc is as good as it can be as is.

What heating rod(s) have you tried so far?

So i can run a 7.4 volt kiss cart at 5.0 volts on the core with no issues?

On an 8 you can. On a Persei top it will blink to tell you the batteries are low and need to be charged.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

So i can run a 7.4 volt kiss cart at 5.0 volts on the core with no issues?

With the core it's about 5 amps limit doing the math it comes out to 8 amps, but what I would suggest is start at 3.0v and move up on the dial till it reads LoV

 

[jason5117]

I just got my 8 Vaporizer with my Kiss AC 7.4v and all I have to say is OMG. So much cloud just pulsing it couple times.

 

[ragnorokk]

I just got my 8 Vaporizer with my Kiss AC 7.4v and all I have to say is OMG. So much cloud just pulsing it couple times.

Dual coil, baby. That's thing is monumental.

 

[jason5117]

 

[jason5117]

Can't wait to try my 1701 7.4v

 

[DieHard]

What heating rod(s) have you tried so far?

On an 8 you can. On a Persei top it will blink to tell you the batteries are low and need to be charged.

So far, I have only tried it with the SR71 white Rod. I have the 71 and 74 black 3.7rods (same except for the contacts, right?). I will try t with those as well. I can even venture into variable voltage with The Core. Ahh testing...tough gig, but someone's got to do it.