Discontinued The Okin by D.M. Pipes

[EmDeemo]

would be nice to see some videos of okin in action... and maybe some nice clouds too... or is it to early?

A tad too early for me (I'll be on a canal boat sometime in the next few weeks, really should wait and do a video there instead). Though I've just gone through my fourth coal/load and think I've sussed it. I'll see in a minute.

The only thing I'm bothered about now is feeling like I'm wasting half burnt through coals ;-)

I concur with zoto tho, his key points are things that have made the difference.

Now to double check my findings with a fifth coal :-)

 

[Dan Morrison]

@zoto724

Thanks for the early review! I'm glad that you're starting to get the hang of it. Your thoughts about the charcoal are correct, and it's definitely a good idea to blow on the end of the charcoal to get the entire face glowing red before starting the session.

And yep, a loose packing.. or rather, not packing at all, and leaving air gaps between the screens and your material, can lead to there being air gaps through the load, which allow air to just take that easy path and bypass the rest of the load.

Also, for ribbon type pipe tobacco, it's essential to chop it up with scissors until you get a finer, more even, consistency. The ribbons will work, but chopping them up really helps.

As far as tobacco goes, I like aromatics in the Okin, but that's just a personal taste thing.

@emmdeemo

The charcoal stumps could be saved and used to cook a very small meal, OR... You could stick them into a fabric bag and use them to deodorize and regulate moisture in a drawer or something, heh.

 

[EmDeemo]

Splurge of thoughts...

After just a few fills of Dave's Crown, there's already a little mark (Mark?) inside the chamber that shows where the stem stops inside Dave's Crown. I'm filling to just under half a cm below that, and the gauze on the stem then tamps down the load a tiny amount, which appears to be helping. Somewhat similar to filling the Pinnacle's bullet.

My material and grinder are leaving it just a little too stringy, so I'm recrumbling slightly with my fingers when it comes out of the grinder. That might have helped.

Draw speed is really making a hell of difference. Gauging heat with my tongue, and keeping alert for a flood of flavor is helping to figure out draw speed. As is getting the placement of holes in the charcoal right. It's an enjoyable, very repeatable ritual. My first two or three bowls weren't hugely successful but the last two have been text book :-)

I should have bought loads more charcoal.

I fucking love The Okin!

@Dan Morrison Good ideas! I shall ask my boat dwelling friends if they could use a bag of charcoal...

 

[pakalolo]

One of the things we learned in beta testing was that the Okin prefers smaller loads (about .05-.07 g), medium grind, and firm packing. The screen position will make a difference too. I typically position the screen near the top (about 5 mm below the prongs), load the chamber with about .05 g, insert the stem into the chamber, then use a rod to push the screen back down towards the stem to pack the load.

I cut about 1-2 mm off the end of my charcoals because I find that gets the vapour flowing faster, but Dan prefers the full length and others might too. The draw technique takes a little experimenting, but once you figure it out then you can control it pretty well. There's a definite learning curve but it's worth the effort. The Okin provides a truly unique experience.

would be nice to see some videos of okin in action... and maybe some nice clouds too... or is it to early?

I posted this earlier in the thread, but since you asked...

 

[Stu]

I typically position the screen near the top (about 5 mm below the prongs), load the chamber with about .05 g, insert the stem into the chamber, then use a rod to push the screen back down towards the stem to pack the load.

This is the technique I use as well. You need to remember to NOT load the charcoal into the crown until you've packed the load and rammed it down. Otherwise you'll need to remove the charcoal and reload after tamping. No big deal I guess, but I get annoyed at myself when I do stupid stuff.

 

[EmDeemo]

This is the technique I use as well. You need to remember to NOT load the charcoal into the crown until you've packed the load and rammed it down. Otherwise you'll need to remove the charcoal and reload after tamping. No big deal I guess, but I get annoyed at myself when I do stupid stuff.

So you guys do some serious tamping, huh!?

 

[SD_haze]

I received my 001 Okin last week but just haven't had a moment to post.
I've had 4 sessions that have gotten progressively better. It's a wonderful ritual vape.
Drilling the holes was a snap, lighting it was instant & easy with a heavy-duty torch lighter.
Definitely want to make a video ... before the end of the year

This is the technique I use as well. You need to remember to NOT load the charcoal into the crown until you've packed the load and rammed it down. Otherwise you'll need to remove the charcoal and reload after tamping. No big deal I guess, but I get annoyed at myself when I do stupid stuff.

Now I'm confused! I think I'm tamping the opposite direction.

If I'm loading the herbals in the steel chamber, and there's a screen in between the load & the charcoal, why can't I load my material before the charcoal?

Is it because you are tamping from the pronged end?
I've been tamping from the other direction...sounds like that was the opposite way! Might explain why I've been overheating half my load.

per guide on http://imgur.com/a/B4z32

 

[Madcap79]

I was a little confused too. I don't have mine but it took a minute to understand. I think they load the herb in the non pronged end, insert the stem, push the screen from the pronged end until the load is compact, then load the charcoal. I think....?

 

[SD_haze]

I was a little confused too. I don't have mine but it took a minute to understand. I think they load the herb in the non pronged end, insert the stem, push the screen from the pronged end until the load is compact, then load the charcoal. I think....?

That's exactly what I'm thinking. That way the herbals are farther from the heat source, which is perfect with the overheating issues I was having.

 

[Dan Morrison]

@SD_haze - Pak loads his material into the open end that connects with the stem, then he connects the stem, then he tamps the ash catching screen down into the chamber, pressing his material into the stem screen. Then he loads a charcoal.

I do it the opposite way. I load a charcoal, then I load the chamber and pack it down with the stem as I insert it.

Paks' beta unit came with a metal screen that was less basket shaped. The production Okins have a basket screen that fits a little more snug, so that's probably why Pak packs his screen down. If he were to pack his material down onto the ash catcher screen he was supplied it, it may have a tendency to slip.

Also, haze, if you are over-heating, try slower inhales as well as your original though of moving your screen a tad further from the charcoal.

 

[SD_haze]

@SD_haze - Pak loads his material into the open end that connects with the stem, then he connects the stem, then he tamps the ash catching screen down into the chamber, pressing his material into the stem screen. Then he loads a charcoal.

I do it the opposite way. I load a charcoal, then I load the chamber and pack it down with the stem as I insert it.

Paks' beta unit came with a metal screen that was less basket shaped. The production Okins have a basket screen that fits a little more snug, so that's probably why Pak packs his screen down. If he were to pack his material down onto the ash catcher screen he was supplied it, it may have a tendency to slip.

Also, haze, if you are over-heating, try slower inhales as well as your original though of moving your screen a tad further from the charcoal.

Ah gotcha.

I agree the temperature is all in the draw. The direct draw design luckily lets you gauge the temperature fairly accurately with your tongue.

I believe part of the overheating issue I had was also loading too much. Folks mentioning .05-.07g and I definitely was loading more. Not grinded perfectly either - bad I know!

 

[Unisonruss]

So excited the first ten are hitting people's hands! I can't begin to tell you how excited I am to get mine. If I had it by my birthday in December I'd be so ecstatic!!! Keep the reviews coming guys Gives me reason to drool while I wait

 

[Stu]

So you guys do some serious tamping, huh!?

Not serious, but a gentle pack works well.

Is it because you are tamping from the pronged end?

Yeah, I tamp down from the pronged end. Dan does the opposite, so see what works best for you. It's a very personal device. Do what works best for you and experiment!

 

[pakalolo]

My apologies for not being clearer. Thanks to Dan and Stu for sorting that out.

Finding the correct draw technique is critical to making the Okin work. It's not difficult but it takes a little experimentation. You have to find the right balance that keeps the charcoal up to temperature without overheating the load. You can reach combustion with the Okin, and I have, but the good news is that it's an easy cleanup. It's been a while, but I don't recall any lingering taste.

 

[EmDeemo]

So the draws I've been having to do have been so slow, I can barely manage it :-) I've pushed the screen near the prongs further into the crown by about a millimetre and its made a hell of a difference. It's a slightly slower experience now, with more flavour for longer. Also packing a little tighter, too, which I'm sure has helped in much the same way. Getting much more evenly vaped ABV now.

I think Lily is starting to feel ignored...

EDIT: Anyone tried concentrates of any kind in the Okin yet?

EDIT 2: I just tried a dab of bho, very loosely wrapped in cotton. Holy crap! That was my favourite Okin run so far! Tasted incredible, massive clouds!

 

[Dafni]

Okin landed in europe!

 

[axakal]

lucky you. where exactly?

 

[Dan Morrison]

EDIT: Anyone tried concentrates of any kind in the Okin yet?

EDIT 2: I just tried a dab of bho, very loosely wrapped in cotton. Holy crap! That was my favourite Okin run so far! Tasted incredible, massive clouds!

Thanks for that!

I've also found that the Okin works really great with concentrates!

 

[IAmKrazy2]

Thanks for that!

I've also found that the Okin works really great with concentrates!

Would be swell if it works well with solid concentrates also ala bubble hash. Hmm. Who will be the first to try?

 

[axakal]

is it also suitable for hard pressed hash?

Thanks for that!

I've also found that the Okin works really great with concentrates!

 

[Dafni]

is it also suitable for hard pressed hash?

Don`t see why not? Worst case use a bit of cotton underneath.

I´m thinking about an extra basket screen, to insert from the non-prong side, to keep some cotton/concentrate goodness squeezed in between the two slide-able basket screens. Should keep the main screen cleaner and gives the cotton less wiggle room. Thoughts?

 

[axakal]

maybe it even works without cotton, with only a screen, like in the case of the vapman concentrate screen.

Don`t see why not? Worst case use a bit of cotton underneath.

I´m thinking about an extra basket screen, to insert from the non-prong side, to keep some cotton/concentrate goodness squeezed in between the two slide-able basket screens. Should keep the main screen cleaner and gives the cotton less wiggle room. Thoughts?

 

[Dan Morrison]

Major power outages in my area lasting a couple days... I realized that pretty much everything in my life didn't work anymore....except for the woodstove...and the Okin. Ha!

 

[Madcap79]

Sooooo, how you Okin owners enjoying your new toy? The thread has been quiet.....

 

[EmDeemo]

It's lovely, but I must say, for full time use I've gone back to Lily and the d020. I've got boat owning friends coming over tomorrow who sound very intrigued. I've also had two other friends use mine and love it. It's very nice to toke, and pass around. Tomorrow I'll be sticking rosin through it.

Can't wait to use it on xmas day. I love using it while drinking freshly ground coffee.

I guess I've not posted more because I'm just happy with it :-)

Edit: I'm gonna have to have a go on it now, with organic Jack herer rosin :-)