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Hey! I was wondering if I can place an order and maybe get in on the next shipment. I sent you a PM but didn't get a response. Thanks! Love the vape by the way.
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axakal
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if you weren't in the first batch, you will have to wait until the list for the next one opens. patience is the name of the game with the Okin. 
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@vineetvel , I will send you a PM and add you to the list when I get to my PC later tonight!
I think I have a new slogan. Patience is key, but the pre-order's free!
I think I have a new slogan. Patience is key, but the pre-order's free!
@Dan Morrison thanks for the update, it's good to hear you're keeping busy doing what you do well (that is, making Okins 
). I was just skimming through the first few pages of the thread again and thinking about how far the Okin has come from those early prototypes. It's been a pleasure to be able to witness the evolution of this vape firsthand, thanks to your thorough documentation and lovely pictures.
And an Okin accessory in the works?....
Definitely excited to hear more about that!
I missed the first batch of pre-orders but am patiently waiting for the next round!
). I was just skimming through the first few pages of the thread again and thinking about how far the Okin has come from those early prototypes. It's been a pleasure to be able to witness the evolution of this vape firsthand, thanks to your thorough documentation and lovely pictures. And an Okin accessory in the works?....
Definitely excited to hear more about that! I missed the first batch of pre-orders but am patiently waiting for the next round!
@Dan Morrison tease
axakal
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axakal
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i'm happy to report from the first test drive.
i loaded the okin with a coarse grind from an average sharp stone grinder. tamped as per instruction. i didn't weigh the load, but judging by the amount of the evenly vaped ABV, it could equal an mlfb trench, or maybe even less.
the preparation of the charcoal needs some patience, but it's not hard work. more of a zen like activity helping to get into the okin mood. the vapman torch did a good job igniting the charcoal, its goose neck helped directing the flame where it needed to be. the first draws were flavourfull and produced dense clouds. i couldn't detect any hint of wood in the taste, unlike after the first few times with the vapman. bonus, after the session the okin provides a nice tactile experience.
i ended up using two pieces of charcoal for one load. did anybody manage to go through a load with one charcoal only or are two the rule? maybe it would be possible with one, but i didn't now, how low passed the tips of the prongs the coal is allowed to burn off. both pieces of coal are about half burned until they were slightly above or even with the tips of the prongs. also, are your coals burning even? mine burned slightly "skewed", if that's the right word. however, they weren't perfectly cylindrical from the start, so maybe that played a role, too, to some degree.
i loaded the okin with a coarse grind from an average sharp stone grinder. tamped as per instruction. i didn't weigh the load, but judging by the amount of the evenly vaped ABV, it could equal an mlfb trench, or maybe even less.
the preparation of the charcoal needs some patience, but it's not hard work. more of a zen like activity helping to get into the okin mood.
the vapman torch did a good job igniting the charcoal, its goose neck helped directing the flame where it needed to be. the first draws were flavourfull and produced dense clouds. i couldn't detect any hint of wood in the taste, unlike after the first few times with the vapman. bonus, after the session the okin provides a nice tactile experience. i ended up using two pieces of charcoal for one load. did anybody manage to go through a load with one charcoal only or are two the rule? maybe it would be possible with one, but i didn't now, how low passed the tips of the prongs the coal is allowed to burn off. both pieces of coal are about half burned until they were slightly above or even with the tips of the prongs. also, are your coals burning even? mine burned slightly "skewed", if that's the right word. however, they weren't perfectly cylindrical from the start, so maybe that played a role, too, to some degree.
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i'm happy to report from the first test drive.
i loaded the okin with a coarse grind from an average sharp stone grinder. tamped as per instruction. i didn't weigh the load, but judging by the amount of the evenly vaped ABV, it could equal an mlfb trench, or maybe even less.
the preparation of the charcoal needs some patience, but it's not hard work. more of a zen like activity helping to get into the okin mood.
i ended up using two pieces of charcoal for one load. did anybody manage to go through a load with one charcoal only or are two the rule? maybe it would be possible with one, but i didn't now, how low passed the tips of the prongs the coal is allowed to burn off. both pieces of coal are about half burned until they were slightly above or even with the tips of the prongs. also, are your coals burning even? mine burned slightly "skewed", if that's the right word. however, they weren't perfectly cylindrical from the start, so maybe that played a role, too, to some degree.
Every coal is a different experience. I usually let the coal burn slightly past the tips of the prongs, but not much. One coal is enough to finish a load for me, but I load about half as much as you did, i.e. about half a trench.
Its always one charcoal per load for me as well, I burn the charcoal down as far as it will go, so no worries there.
Thanks for the initial reports! Hope you're enjoying it so far!
Thanks for the initial reports! Hope you're enjoying it so far!
btka
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i'm happy to report from the first test drive.
i loaded the okin with a coarse grind from an average sharp stone grinder. tamped as per instruction. i didn't weigh the load, but judging by the amount of the evenly vaped ABV, it could equal an mlfb trench, or maybe even less.
the preparation of the charcoal needs some patience, but it's not hard work. more of a zen like activity helping to get into the okin mood.
i ended up using two pieces of charcoal for one load. did anybody manage to go through a load with one charcoal only or are two the rule? maybe it would be possible with one, but i didn't now, how low passed the tips of the prongs the coal is allowed to burn off. both pieces of coal are about half burned until they were slightly above or even with the tips of the prongs. also, are your coals burning even? mine burned slightly "skewed", if that's the right word. however, they weren't perfectly cylindrical from the start, so maybe that played a role, too, to some degree.
thank you fo rthat info...
never owned a mflb so I am wondering how much g that would be...
also I would like to know how much clouds you get and how long a session lasts (is the experience similar to smoking a j.)
you mentioned that the first clouds were flavourful and dense... after that the flavour is gone or roasted like normaly when vaping? and what about dense clouds are they continuing after flavor is gone it is not quiet obvious in your post...
I know you are still in experimanting phase but not a lot people until know (except @pakalolo ) are contributing their experience here... I know only a few people have their okin and are experimanting now but I am very curious about the okin... so please understand...
also as mentioned earlier I would love to see some more video of using the okin....
Depending on the grind and the strain, it's anywhere from about .07 to .10 g. My standard test load is .07 g medium to fine grind, which came from from weighing my usual MFLB trench load.
This is exactly what popped in my head when Dan mentioned an accessory.
Unisonruss
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Awesome report! The vapor sounds highly satisfying. Does your throat get irritated at all?i'm happy to report from the first test drive.
i loaded the okin with a coarse grind from an average sharp stone grinder. tamped as per instruction. i didn't weigh the load, but judging by the amount of the evenly vaped ABV, it could equal an mlfb trench, or maybe even less.
the preparation of the charcoal needs some patience, but it's not hard work. more of a zen like activity helping to get into the okin mood.
i ended up using two pieces of charcoal for one load. did anybody manage to go through a load with one charcoal only or are two the rule? maybe it would be possible with one, but i didn't now, how low passed the tips of the prongs the coal is allowed to burn off. both pieces of coal are about half burned until they were slightly above or even with the tips of the prongs. also, are your coals burning even? mine burned slightly "skewed", if that's the right word. however, they weren't perfectly cylindrical from the start, so maybe that played a role, too, to some degree.
axakal
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thanks @Unisonruss, i know it's far from being complete, i just wanted to share.
i had no throat irritations at all. at least not from my limited experience of two sessions so far. but i didn't pull very hard, so that might have an influence.
yesterday i used magic flight's finishing grinder for a finer grind, with good results. i guess, i still have to find the ideal load size. yesterday i managed to use only one charcoal for the load, but the abv still wasn't dark chocolate brown, like it happens sometimes when using the vapman.
@btka the clouds are clearly visible, which i tend to see as dense. so "dense" in this case is a purely subjective term, but they don't apear too whispy. the experience to me is comparable to smoking a joint, since there is no draw restriction and you don't have to follow a sequence of heat - hit - heat - hit, as for example with the vapman and the vaponic, the two other flame based vaporizers i use regularly. i didn't manage to keep the coal lit for the whole session, but it's still was less lighter action than with the other two vapes. the flavor turns slightly roasted towards the end as usual with vaporizing. it's less "flowery" as compared to the start but not unpleasant at all. but as with "dense", "flavor" is a highly subjective matter.
i had no throat irritations at all. at least not from my limited experience of two sessions so far. but i didn't pull very hard, so that might have an influence.
yesterday i used magic flight's finishing grinder for a finer grind, with good results. i guess, i still have to find the ideal load size. yesterday i managed to use only one charcoal for the load, but the abv still wasn't dark chocolate brown, like it happens sometimes when using the vapman.
@btka the clouds are clearly visible, which i tend to see as dense.
so "dense" in this case is a purely subjective term, but they don't apear too whispy. the experience to me is comparable to smoking a joint, since there is no draw restriction and you don't have to follow a sequence of heat - hit - heat - hit, as for example with the vapman and the vaponic, the two other flame based vaporizers i use regularly. i didn't manage to keep the coal lit for the whole session, but it's still was less lighter action than with the other two vapes. the flavor turns slightly roasted towards the end as usual with vaporizing. it's less "flowery" as compared to the start but not unpleasant at all. but as with "dense", "flavor" is a highly subjective matter.
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SuitableLink
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Just finished up my finals, heading into Christmas break. Really excited to enjoy my Okin for the next few weeks! Should hopefully be hearing from Dan any day now that the second shipment is being sent out. I'm sitting in line at #14
I will be working hard trying to get this batch out before Christmas. I did say two weeks.... three weeks ago. But I decided to take a bit of a gamble, and spent some days making some time-saving tooling. One of those things I wanted to make was a box wrapping machine for making the kraft paper laminates... but it just didn't work out like I had hoped, it almost works...
To make 15 Kraft paper laminates, it takes almost two solid days of hand work. This is the most time consuming single-action task of the Okin build.. so you can understand why I would attempt to want to mechanize the seemingly simple process.
Sometimes you just have to accept that doing it by hand is the only, and fastest, way.
And I also failed to make an improved spring bending jig. The springs are so small, so minutely different from each other...each one bends just ever so slightly different than the last... so the reality is that they will always need to be bent and tweaked by hand and eye if I want them to come out nice and organic looking.
Though, that detour had a happy ending, since in the long run I did manage to improve the speed of the spring bending process somewhat, stumbling on a better more efficient method to do it by hand.
Sometimes I get so caught up with the process itself, in the pursuit of perfecting the product, increasing efficiency... that I forget about the fundamentals.
WELL NO MORE. The stage is set, no more detours.
I will be applying the patina onto the metal tips tomorrow, as well as painting the boxes, stems are done, springs are done, boxes done. I really would love to get them into peoples hands by Christmas day. But I expect to be a little late, still a fair amount of work to be done, but we will see!
Everyone has been really patient waiting on the Okins, and I really feel lucky to have such a great group to craft these for.
To make 15 Kraft paper laminates, it takes almost two solid days of hand work. This is the most time consuming single-action task of the Okin build.. so you can understand why I would attempt to want to mechanize the seemingly simple process.
Sometimes you just have to accept that doing it by hand is the only, and fastest, way.
And I also failed to make an improved spring bending jig. The springs are so small, so minutely different from each other...each one bends just ever so slightly different than the last... so the reality is that they will always need to be bent and tweaked by hand and eye if I want them to come out nice and organic looking.
Though, that detour had a happy ending, since in the long run I did manage to improve the speed of the spring bending process somewhat, stumbling on a better more efficient method to do it by hand.
Sometimes I get so caught up with the process itself, in the pursuit of perfecting the product, increasing efficiency... that I forget about the fundamentals.
WELL NO MORE. The stage is set, no more detours.
I will be applying the patina onto the metal tips tomorrow, as well as painting the boxes, stems are done, springs are done, boxes done. I really would love to get them into peoples hands by Christmas day. But I expect to be a little late, still a fair amount of work to be done, but we will see!
Everyone has been really patient waiting on the Okins, and I really feel lucky to have such a great group to craft these for.
axakal
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i had a successful test run with traditional hard pressed hash. loosely crumbled, protecting the stem from potential mess with a piece of cotton. it works great, but hash needs more heat, hence more charcoals to go through a load. the problem with the charcoal as it is now, as soon as i reach the right heat, there is not so much of the piece of charcoal left to be able to enjoy the load and until the metal tip cools down and you are able to reload, the momentum is gone. so, maybe it's not the ideal vape for this type of hash, but it worked and that was all i was hoping to be able to prove. @NorVape will now probably want to get one too.
also, most of my loads were ground with the mf finishing grinder. the abv came out very even. i ran two contrast loads with a coarser grind, the results were somewhat less even. nothing dramatic, but still noticeable. this doesn't mean, you need to get yourself a finishing grinder, but it might come in handy, when you aim for consistent results.
also, most of my loads were ground with the mf finishing grinder. the abv came out very even. i ran two contrast loads with a coarser grind, the results were somewhat less even. nothing dramatic, but still noticeable. this doesn't mean, you need to get yourself a finishing grinder, but it might come in handy, when you aim for consistent results.
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Awesome! Thanks for the report.
And now long wpuld you say a charcoal lasts you @axakal ?
And for more heat, I sometimes find that inhaling slower produces higher temps, the slow airflow might help let the heat soak into the metal tip and load.
And charcoal heat is all about keeping it glowing, so your next draw is starting as the ember is already up to temperature, instead of using half of that draw to bring the charcoal back up to temp, if you leave it to cool down between inhales. But Im sure that you have already figured that out, just mentioning it!
And I have been using a piece of leather to hold the tip when its hot, if i dont want to wait.
And now long wpuld you say a charcoal lasts you @axakal ?
And for more heat, I sometimes find that inhaling slower produces higher temps, the slow airflow might help let the heat soak into the metal tip and load.
And charcoal heat is all about keeping it glowing, so your next draw is starting as the ember is already up to temperature, instead of using half of that draw to bring the charcoal back up to temp, if you leave it to cool down between inhales. But Im sure that you have already figured that out, just mentioning it!
And I have been using a piece of leather to hold the tip when its hot, if i dont want to wait.
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axakal
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i don't know how long a piece of coal lasts, i will have to take note of the time in future sessions. i'm eyeballing the size of the load, but it's more or less of a half mflb trench or a vapman load, for this amount i spend one piece of charcoal until it passes the tips of the prongs. usually the load is done after that. one time i didn't pay attention to how tight the seal was between the metal tip and the charcoal. i was drawing like crazy but there was almost no vapor production. definitely a mistake to avoid.
with hash the coal was done in shorter time, because i was drawing faster.
i assumed, a steady glowing coal would generate more heat, hence i kept it really hot, maybe i should indeed be more patient and draw slower.
thanks for the hint with a piece of leather, so obvious that i didn't even think about it.
i'm eyeballing the size of the load, but it's more or less of a half mflb trench or a vapman load, for this amount i spend one piece of charcoal until it passes the tips of the prongs. usually the load is done after that. one time i didn't pay attention to how tight the seal was between the metal tip and the charcoal. i was drawing like crazy but there was almost no vapor production. definitely a mistake to avoid. with hash the coal was done in shorter time, because i was drawing faster.
i assumed, a steady glowing coal would generate more heat, hence i kept it really hot, maybe i should indeed be more patient and draw slower.
thanks for the hint with a piece of leather, so obvious that i didn't even think about it.
Awesome! Thanks for the report.
And now long wpuld you say a charcoal lasts you @axakal ?
And for more heat, I sometimes find that inhaling slower produces higher temps, the slow airflow might help let the heat soak into the metal tip and load.
And charcoal heat is all about keeping it glowing, so your next draw is starting as the ember is already up to temperature, instead of using half of that draw to bring the charcoal back up to temp, if you leave it to cool down between inhales. But Im sure that you have already figured that out, just mentioning it!
And I have been using a piece of leather to hold the tip when its hot, if i dont want to wait.
Heeeeeey, I hope all of you Okin folk are enjoying the holidays!
It's been quiet in here lately, but I'll try not to get too excited as I guess Dan does need a break every now & then . . .
I'm looking forward to getting Okin#12 and hopefully postng some nice, maybe even snowy pics for y'all . . . although something tells me that they won't be a touch on Dan's beautiful shots which we've drooled over already.
I wonder what we might see when Dan next emerges from his workshop, & I'm still pretty intrigued by this accessory that he mentioned a little while ago . . .
Some people think Christmas is pretty much over already, but I like to get as much out of it as possible - so right now I wish you a very merry Christmas, and I hope you all have a New Year filled with love & happiness!
<--- smiley soon to be 'me & my Okin'!
PËÅÇÊ&GoodWill2All.
Veg
It's been quiet in here lately, but I'll try not to get too excited as I guess Dan does need a break every now & then . . .
I'm looking forward to getting Okin#12 and hopefully postng some nice, maybe even snowy pics for y'all . . . although something tells me that they won't be a touch on Dan's beautiful shots which we've drooled over already.
I wonder what we might see when Dan next emerges from his workshop, & I'm still pretty intrigued by this accessory that he mentioned a little while ago . . .
Some people think Christmas is pretty much over already, but I like to get as much out of it as possible - so right now I wish you a very merry Christmas, and I hope you all have a New Year filled with love & happiness!
<--- smiley soon to be 'me & my Okin'!PËÅÇÊ&GoodWill2All.
Veg
Hey all, It's been a wild and busy Holiday season for me. Lots of late nights trying to get gifts finished for family/friends/girlfriend. Visited parents/friends down south for a couple weeks. I just got back to the cottage/shop, and I'm dying to get back into Okin making, since they are just waiting to be finished, and so close to being done, it felt so bad to just leave them in that state.
More updates through the week!
More updates through the week!