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[Pseudonymous]

Carano has also never tampered with the scales to attempt to make weight, either.

 

[stonemonkey55]

c'mon! it was that time of the month!

im being sarcastic

 

[Pseudonymous]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/15892/ant...-is-coming-to-the-ufcs-205-pound-division.mma

Sad times for Mousasi fans, good times for UFC fans.

 

[jklasd]

this is what i mean man, UFC has all the best fighters of every weight class that it has. lightweight is the closest one with talent outside of UFC. theres a couple that they dont employ for every class, but its so hard to judge fighters who are good but never face amazing people. mousasi faced a good opponent in sobral but after soku and arona, then what?

 

[Pseudonymous]

I think heavyweight and lightweight are near even if you take a UFC vs. The World approach.

And I don't know what then. Nobody does. We don't need to. New fighters pop up all the time.

Mousasi has also stated that he wants to move up to heavyweight eventually.

 

[jklasd]

heavyweight? really? will he get that big? he was just a middleweight and to get big enough for light heavy, you should be around 230-240 without cutting down without suffering such a huge size disvantage. unless your fighter lesnar, then it dont fucking matter lol. but at middle weight, i assume he be around 200 and now during the sobal fight looked like a decent size heavy, not to big.
heavweights with the ufc i think are better, they just dont have the number 1 guy. werdum, rogers, oveerem(sp?) and then what? heavy are weak everywhere, but i do think ufc is stronger in it. lightweight 100% agree on, its very even. id love to see aoki in the ufc.

 

[Pseudonymous]

The reason why he no longer plans to fight at 185 is because he is naturally getting bigger just by training and as such, the weight cut is getting harder and harder. As for heavyweight, I guess he knows himself well enough, and it's also a personal goal of his, I guess.

I hope Fedor's first fight is against Rogers so it can put to rest the idea that he's a legit contender. For the most part, I do agree that the UFC has the best heavyweights. But Barnett still can get a mention and some others are very solid, as well.

I'd say that there are better lightweights outside of the UFC, actually, on the whole.

 

[jklasd]

well if he gets that big, go for it, maybe could do both classes like randy, perhaps be better at like lika a silva.
i think rogers is decent but ill agree i dont think hes a contender, but at the same time, beating arlovski is a huge win for him. while andrei has a glass jaw, hes still a contender in my book. forgot about barnett, thats a huge name, but he needs to get off the roids.
i think there are more establish lightweights outside the ufc, but i do feel the ufc has the better ones. if they face, i think the ufc would come out on top. not to mention id love to see aoki vs penn in a BJJ/MMA clinic. i just came.

 

[NoSmoke]

Nov. 14
At Las Vegas
(PPV), Manny Pacquiao, Philippines, vs. Miguel Cotto, Puerto Rico, 12, welterweights.

I know this is an MMA Dojo but fighting is fighting right? Im putting all my money on Pacquiao getting knocked out! Cotto is a beast! Too strong.

 

[Pseudonymous]

If he won via decision or something, it'd be different. But any huge jackass can score a flash KO, so the only thing that win says to me is Arlovski screwed up and Rogers is huge and got lucky.

As for Aoki/Penn, I love Aoki, but I think BJ would just knock him out.

 

[jklasd]

i agree that rogers winning by decision or a later KO would have been better, but a win is a win, against a contender.
i think bj has too much pride to just want to knock him out. he would want to beat his ass on the ground.

 

[Pseudonymous]

I decided to dig up the Cyborg article:

What was supposed to be a main stage fight for women's MMA during the initial Strikeforce broadcast on Showtime, turned into a circus side show when Cris "Cyborg" Santos failed to make weight for her scheduled bout against Hitomi Akano, missing the 145-pound weight limit by seven pounds.

The situation escalated when Cyborg was unable to make weight again later that evening, and it appeared the bout was in jeopardy, as her opponent turned down the fight because of the extreme amount of the overage from the agreed upon weight limit for the match-up.

Following the initial weigh-in, Cyborg was given until 8 p.m. PST to make the 146-pound limit (one pound over is allowed in non-title fights), but Akano's manager, Shu Hirata, says they got a call at 6 p.m. instead, saying that Santos was ready to weigh-in.

Hirata then went back to the hotel to retrieve Akano and her team who had left the weigh-ins to get something to eat, and head back for the official weigh-in for her opponent to try and make 146 pounds.

"When she stepped on the scale with a bikini, she clocked 150.1, then she says she wants to take everything off," Hirata told MMAWeekly.com in an exclusive interview. "At that moment the male commission guy got out of the room where the scale was, so the entire team for Akano left, and we decided who to send in to check it, and for about 90 seconds or so there was only Cyborg, husband and wife there.

"So the commission female staff came in, then we send Shannon Hooper, one of (Akano's) cornermen into the room, and they close the door and do the second weigh-in and she's buck naked. She clocked actually at 144 (pounds) at that time. Then I started complaining, how can a bikini weigh 6 pounds? But they claimed the bikini was wet, and a wet bikini would weigh 6 pounds."

Akano's team immediately cried foul, not believing that the 144 pounds read on the scale was correct and another weigh-in took place.

"I didn't buy that, so I made the commission re-calibrate the scale, and I left Hitomi, Megumi, and Shannon Hooper in the room with her, and the commission female staff, and she took everything off, buck naked, and stepped on and it was still 150.1," Hirata stated. "I don't know how the 144 came in there, but obviously the whole strategy it seems like for the Chute Boxe team is they try to claim six pounds is the bikini. There's no way a bikini weighs six pounds, wet or not wet."

With Cyborg still very much over the weight limit for the fight, the team for Akano was accommodating in letting the Brazilian take the rest of the two hours left until the 8 p.m. deadline to make the weight cut. According to Hirata, the commission would not let Santos cut any more weight at that time due to safety issues, but because she weighed in at 150.1 and Akano weighing in at 143.5, the difference was more than six pounds, which he was told is the limit in California for the fight to take place.

It should be noted that on fight night, CSAC Assistant Executive Officer Bill Douglas said that the weight-spread tolerance for a fight to take place varies depending upon the initial contracted weight. In the case of Akano and Santos, who were contracted to fight at 145 pounds, Douglas said the tolerance was seven pounds. He said he was unsure where the perception that the tolerance was six pounds came from.

Even though the fight was approved by the Commission to take place, Douglas also stated that it was then up to the contracted parties and the promoter to determine if they would move forward with the bout.

Following Cyborg's weigh-in of 150.1, the commission was willing to allow the fight to happen, but Akano decided to refuse the bout, based on her opponent's inability to make the contracted weight for their fight.

"After Cyborg missed her weight at the second weigh-in, I rejected the fight," Akano told MMAWeekly.com. "Then, while my manager and Josh (Barnett) were talking to athletic commission and promoter, I went back to my room with Shannon (Hooper) and Megumi Fuji, and waited. After while, the promoter asked me to reconsider, was called to come down to the lobby, then we began talking again.

"At that point, I have expressed my thought to the promoter, which was, in a sport called Mixed Martial Arts, if you allow a fighter to break rules, then from that point on, it will become something other than sport."

Akano continued, "Even popular fighter like Gina Carano missed the weight in the past, and her opponent had to fight under the weight disadvantage. If this kind of things gets accepted in women's MMA then this no longer is a sport, it becomes a sport where competitor can ignore the rules. So as a competitor of this sport, I felt, this needs to be stopped, therefore, I rejected to fight her and asked promoter to put an effort on preventing this type of incident. And I kept saying that I would fight as long as Cyborg can bring her weight down to the agreed weight, but this was rejected. In any world, it's wrong that a competitor who broke the rules gets protected."

While admittedly, both Hirata and Akano say an agreement was eventually reached that made sense for them, job security still played a part in the Japanese fighter's involvement.

"At the end, Hitomi decided to take the fight, and she stayed partially because she felt the passion from the promoter who really had to make this fight happen, and the reason she kind of felt more is because Smack Girl promotion in Japan folded last year. She lost basically a place to fight," Hirata told MMAWeekly.com.

It was more than obvious during the fight between Santos and Akano that the Brazilian held a huge size advantage over her much smaller opponent. In the third round, the fight was stopped because of strikes being sustained by the former Japanese champion.

After the conclusion of the bout, Cyborg apologized for not making weight, but didn't make her way over to Akano to make amends. Akano says she was not expecting anything from Cyborg at that point.

"I actually feel nothing about that," she said. "From the moment she showed up not cutting weight, I expected nothing."

With such a huge difference in weights between the two fighters, the question soon has to be raised about stricter weight classes in female MMA to coincide with the men's divisions. Still, Akano believes that she took the fight with Cyborg with the best of intentions regardless of weight class, but her opponent didn't hold up her end of the bargain.

"I understand that weight classes can be different depend on the countries and promotions. I see no problem with the current weight classes, which I believe 125 pounds, 135 pounds, 145 pounds. (In Japan, we would need 115 pounds as well)," Akano stated. "If Cyborg can't make weight, then I believe it would be better for her and Gina to fight at the open-weight division.

"I usually fight at 135, but I accepted this Cyborg fight as 145 because simply as a kakutou-ka, Cyborg's fight style, made me wants to fight her, but it's too bad the things turned out this way."

Akano's manager feels very strongly about the wrong that was perpetrated against his client, and doesn't pull any punches about what Cris Santos did going into the fight against the much smaller fighter.

"Knowing that and coming in seven pounds over is almost cowardly because you could almost argue that if she cuts to 145, she felt like maybe there's a threat there," Hirata said. "Because as you know, in her last fight against Yoko Takahashi, she was already sucking air in the third round. I know Cyborg's stamina is in question. She has to cut to 145 and (if) the fight really went to the third round, when it did, maybe Hitomi has a chance."

Akano, while not happy with the circumstances surrounding her bout with Cyborg, still gives credit to her opponent and hopes to bounce back from this loss very soon.

"In order for Mixed Martial Arts to grow more as a professional sport, something needs to be improved so this type of ordeal would never happen again. I hope many people would realize that from this incident," stated Akano. "Leave what happened outside the cage on the side. In terms of my fight against Cyborg, I lost the fight and that is the fact, and I feel Cyborg was a stronger fighter on that night.

"I would like to heal damages from this fight as soon as possible, and if I can fight in front of the fans again, then I will be happy."

source: http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=8615&zoneid=2

 

[owin]

wow that's crazy. never heard about that.

 

[jklasd]

i know the artlicle. i acknowledge that it was cheat to mess with the scales. but at the end of the day, the fighter accepted the fight knowing what cyborg did. after that, its over.

 

[Pseudonymous]

That's an oversimplified view, I think. It doesn't excuse anything Cyborg did.

In other news, it's been reported that Arona has signed with Strikeforce.

 

[stonemonkey55]

there's no excuse for fucking with the scale - esp when you are already that physically imposing

 

[stinkmeaner]

Cyborg looks as if she has some form of Gigantism. Either that or she is using steroids, her facial features are far to pronounced. She also has far too much muscle for a female that hasn't taken any AAS, I have been around weight training my whole life and its really rare for women to gain that much muscle without a little injectable help.

 

[jklasd]

never once did i say it excused her.
arona with strikeforce eh? maybe take on mousasi. thats one of what 3 LHW outside the ufc that are good?

 

[NoSmoke]

The fact no one commented on the Cotto vs. Paqquiao fight shows no one cares about boxing :tear , just wait till they get Andersen sIlva hehe

 

[Pseudonymous]

I somewhat care about boxing, I just don't know much about it. I know Pacman is on a tare lately and Cotto won his last fight, but that's about it.

 

[stonemonkey55]

Pacman versus Cotto is gonna be competitive, moreso than DLH or Hatton (I guess not hard to be more comp than Hatton)

I'm pretty juiced on teh Super Six tournament too. Looks like boxing is finally getting their act together and putting on events that people WANT to see.

I wish Edwin Valero would transition into MMA, that guy has bricks for hands, crazy chin, and his physical strength seems to dwarf all of his opponents.

 

[jklasd]

im just waiting for pacman vs mayweather. but ill watch any pacman fight. i hate boxing, cant stand it, but watching pacman against de la hoya was a work of art. ive seen other fighters. and boxing is just not my thing. but back to mma
who else is excited to see chuck liddell on DWTS? hahaha o i cant wait. good for the sport in my book. getting his name and his sport out there on ABC in front of millions of viewers? and if he actually makes it for a few weeks? it will be very good.

 

[jklasd]

lets see what carwin is made off boys.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=9416&zoneid=2

 

[Pseudonymous]

I hope there's a double flash KO.

 

[stonemonkey55]

who has more in the tank, Randy Couture or Big Nog? These guys are two sentimental favorites of mine, hopefully its more of a grappling match cause it hurts me to see either of these guys take a bunch of punishment.

If Maia can get Marquardt down and sub him, I think his chances against Anderson increase exponentially. Maia's wrstling is underrated but his striking is still very basic. Anderson knows how to use footwork and his length to keep good distancing and Nate is hard to take down. Seeing how well Maia does against Marquardt will be a good gauge to figure out his chances against the Spider.

I think Marquardt would look more competitive against Silva but lose most of the time, whereas Maia against Silva will be more boom or bust depending who can execute their game plan.