The Mighty/Mighty+ by Storz & Bickel

[grogazola]

Hmmm, I think I'm definitely doing something wrong. I was worried cause I thought I read not to tamp in the instructions for use. Could you fine people lend a word of advice?

My first bowl, I just dumped flower in and definitely didn't leave for circulation. Last few bowls, I mostly filled to the beige ring(?) and did not tamp to allow for air circulation. I think my load is shifting. Do you tamp? How much?

Also, can i just rip on the mighty? or should i have a more measured inhalation for best results? is this temperature dependent?

Finally, do you temperature step? I think that may be one of the strengths of the mighty.

earlier today i started my medication with the mighty, took me two bowls, but i got to a nice clear headed place. its a very gentle vape in a good way. feels like someone is hugging you!!

 

[darbarikanada]

Could you fine people lend a word of advice?

it sounds like you might need to tamp more. light tamping is good. if the amount you use is on the smaller side (<.1g), try putting the liquid pad on top. too much space in the bowl means less contact with the sides (conduction) and the hot air (convection) not coming in as much contact with the weed.

fine grind (like from a disassembled pre-roll) will vape more easily at low temps than ground-up bud, so expect differences in which temps work best.

if you want big clouds, just go to high temps right away. for tasty hits, start low and work your way up as the amount of vapor diminishes. supposedly the different cannabinoids vaporize at different temps, so you're vaporizing them in a kind of sequence if you temp-step, vaporizing them all at once if you just go to high temps right away.

I wonder if you're finishing the loads. things that tell me I'm done with a load in my mighty are: bad taste ('popcorn'), can't get vapor despite going to high temps, the ABV is an even ocher color.

what you wrote about the mighty being 'gentle' is true: it makes very cool vapor. but at high temps it can make cough-inducing clouds. I personally prefer to stop when it starts to taste bad, which also avoids hot hits (I'd rather put a bit more in and 'waste' a little than have my last hits be nasty/hot).

hope this helps!

 

[grogazola]

it sounds like you might need to tamp more. light tamping is good. if the amount you use is on the smaller side (<.1g), try putting the liquid pad on top. too much space in the bowl means less contact with the sides (conduction) and the hot air (convection) not coming in as much contact with the weed.

fine grind (like from a disassembled pre-roll) will vape more easily at low temps than ground-up bud, so expect differences in which temps work best.

if you want big clouds, just go to high temps right away. for tasty hits, start low and work your way up as the amount of vapor diminishes. supposedly the different cannabinoids vaporize at different temps, so you're vaporizing them in a kind of sequence if you temp-step, vaporizing them all at once if you just go to high temps right away.

I wonder if you're finishing the loads. things that tell me I'm done with a load in my mighty are: bad taste ('popcorn'), can't get vapor despite going to high temps, the ABV is an even ocher color.

what you wrote about the mighty being 'gentle' is true: it makes very cool vapor. but at high temps it can make cough-inducing clouds. I personally prefer to stop when it starts to taste bad, which also avoids hot hits (I'd rather put a bit more in and 'waste' a little than have my last hits be nasty/hot).

hope this helps!

Thank you! I read on troy’s website the optimal amount is .15g - I’ll measure my next load

I’m a little worried about tamping too much and getting bits of pollen stuck where they shouldn’t be (also why I sift) - after a month my last portable looked like someone dabbed in it lol

will tamp, will measure, will play around with some temperatures. tried the dosing capsule and it’s just not my style at the moment - I don’t mind cleaning and troys cleaning hack has proved to be effective!

https://imgur.com/a/BKVbksx

 

[darbarikanada]

I’m a little worried about tamping too much and getting bits of pollen stuck where they shouldn’t be (also why I sift) - after a month my last portable looked like someone dabbed in it lol

I don't think you need to worry about over-tamping. if you pack it way too tight you might have a hard time getting good airflow, but that's easy to remedy.

I don't think you need to worry about the fine dust (pollen, trichomes) - I've been watching this thread for a long time and I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention that as being an issue. as far as gunking up the bowl, the most common cause seems to be putting in too much (>.05g) concentrate.

tried the dosing capsule and it’s just not my style

I've never used them. they're a convenience, but not necessary for optimal performance.

 

[grogazola]

i packed .15 and I got a three minute session of 400F clouds...I’m really sad guys. is my technique or mighty broken??

here’s my “spent” bowl - https://imgur.com/a/BKVbksx

edit - can I rip on this thing or do I need to finesse the draw??

 

[darbarikanada]

hmmm. .15g for me, using temp-stepping, always produces 12+ hits - and that's without doing those last 1-3 nasty-tasting, hot hits.

from the photo I suspect the load isn't spent. did you go to the max temp?

inhalation speed (finesse vs. rip) shouldn't matter. you've no doubt seen vapecritic and troy getting giant clouds; tasty, wispy clouds don't make for dramatic video, so you don't see that online.

one more possibility is the weed itself. have you tried more than one type yet? did you vape the same stuff in a different device?

fwiw, here's my standard method (using celsius):
- start at about 165º. wait ~30 sec. after the vibration to let the load 'cook' a bit
- if you don't get visible vapor after 2 hits, go up 5 or 10º. again: let it cook after it reaches the next temp
- once you get to a temp that's producing vapor, stay at that temp until it stops producing; that can be 2 hits or as much as 5-6 (the latter more common with pre-roll weed, i.e. fine grind)
- repeat the pattern until it tastes crappy or you're not getting more vapor.
- if you want to be sure you're getting full extraction, you can do a 'purge' hit at the end: go to 210º, let it cook 30 sec., turn off the mighty, take that last (foul) hit.

if this method doesn't work, using more than one batch of weed, your mighty could have an issue. (do you know anybody else who owns one so you could try theirs?)

 

[Mr. Me2]

i packed .15 and I got a three minute session of 400F clouds...I’m really sad guys. is my technique or mighty broken??

here’s my “spent” bowl - https://imgur.com/a/BKVbksx

edit - can I rip on this thing or do I need to finesse the draw??

Have you checked your cu for leaks? Just remove it and cover the intake with your thumb. When you pull, you should get nothing.

Speaking with Crafty experience, I don’t think there is any special pull technique. That’s part of the beauty of these vapes. Just draw on it comfortably. And I agree with tamping, but just so it doesn’t shake around. In place of the pad, I use a screen with a wedge cut out. Pull the 2 edges together to make a cone shape and put that on top of your load. I did that to reduce load size.

Hope this helps.

 

[grogazola]

hmmm. .15g for me, using temp-stepping, always produces 12+ hits - and that's without doing those last 1-3 nasty-tasting, hot hits.

from the photo I suspect the load isn't spent. did you go to the max temp?

inhalation speed (finesse vs. rip) shouldn't matter. you've no doubt seen vapecritic and troy getting giant clouds; tasty, wispy clouds don't make for dramatic video, so you don't see that online.

one more possibility is the weed itself. have you tried more than one type yet? did you vape the same stuff in a different device?

fwiw, here's my standard method (using celsius):
- start at about 165º. wait ~30 sec. after the vibration to let the load 'cook' a bit
- if you don't get visible vapor after 2 hits, go up 5 or 10º. again: let it cook after it reaches the next temp
- once you get to a temp that's producing vapor, stay at that temp until it stops producing; that can be 2 hits or as much as 5-6 (the latter more common with pre-roll weed, i.e. fine grind)
- repeat the pattern until it tastes crappy or you're not getting more vapor.
- if you want to be sure you're getting full extraction, you can do a 'purge' hit at the end: go to 210º, let it cook 30 sec., turn off the mighty, take that last (foul) hit.

if this method doesn't work, using more than one batch of weed, your mighty could have an issue. (do you know anybody else who owns one so you could try theirs?)

thank you again @darbarikanada! I suspect the load isn’t spent either. maybe it’s too coarse of a grind? I didn’t really heatsoak it i cigar puffed the bowl to temp.

I did the session around 200C got about three minutes of dense vapour and then nothing. 210C nothing.

I have some sensi star - it’s been pretty great in the volcano. I have a purple haze that does better at low temps. I’ll see!

Is 12+ dense puffs the average? That seems fair...

edit - thank you @Mr. Me2 - no leaks in the CU (great idea!) and I don’t mind (I prefer) one large bowl instead of repacking it

 

[darbarikanada]

I did the session around 200C got about three minutes of dense vapour and then nothing. 210C nothing.

if you start at a high temp like that, you will go through the weed faster.

Is 12+ dense puffs the average?

it is for me, but I always temp-step, so I can't say what the average # would be if you go straight to high temps.

maybe it’s too coarse of a grind?

IME, a coarser grind just means I have to go to higher temps before getting clouds. as long as you're using some sort of grinder you should be fine (the plastic one that comes with has always worked fine for me, but one time a little bit of plastic broke off - fortunately I caught it before vaping it).

i cigar puffed the bowl to temp

when you say 'cigar-puffed', do you mean literally, as in taking lots of short puffs and not holding them in your lungs for at least a couple seconds? if so: don't do that! it's unnecessary and will waste your weed.

 

[grogazola]

Thank you kindly @darbarikanada

I noticed that the mighty does low temps well! Probably better than any device I’ve owned. It’s smooth as butter. Definitely nice in the morning.

By cigar puff, I mean a primer puff. As in, before the mighty gets to temp to try to get the load up to temperature (if this makes sense)

 

[darbarikanada]

By cigar puff I mean a primer puff before the mighty gets to temp to try to get the load up to temp.

AFAIK there's no reason whatsoever to do this, IMHO if you're puffing like a cigar smoker (i.e. not taking it into your lungs and holding it a few seconds), you're just wasting weed. this could be the source of your problem. in fact, taking a 'primer puff' will lower the temp, not speed up getting to the target temp.

 

[grogazola]

AFAIK there's no reason whatsoever to do this, IMHO if you're puffing like a cigar smoker (i.e. not taking it into your lungs and holding it a few seconds), you're just wasting weed. this could be the source of your problem. in fact, taking a 'primer puff' will lower the temp, not speed up getting to the target temp.

Cool thank you!

It was puffing nicely at 190C and I decided to turn it up to 200C and the vapour just stopped. I really think the mighty does well at lower temperatures. May explain how some people are able to get ten minute sessions.

There are little bits of green hues in my abv - no sifting this time - tightly tamped

https://imgur.com/a/OIWbtGr

Need two bowls to get to where I’d like to be. Still efficient.

Still the smoothest vape I’ve tried. Nothing even resembling harsh. Almost too smooth!

Edit - I worry my grind is too coarse - it works perfect for all my other pieces

 

[darbarikanada]

It was puffing nicely at 190C and I decided to turn it up to 200C and the vapour just stopped. I really think the mighty does well at lower temperatures. May explain how some people are able to get ten minute sessions.

There are little bits of green hues in my abv - no sifting this time - tightly tamped

there shouldn't be any green in mighty ABV if you got to where it didn't produce vapor; mightys are well-known for producing even-colored ABV. somehow you didn't finish the load. it's close, but not quite there.

I don't think the mighty 'prefers' lower temps. it works great at high temps - but the flavor's not as good.

Edit - I worry my grind is too coarse - it works perfect for all my other pieces

I doubt that's the problem. mightys aren't fussy about grind, don't need stirring. you say you went from 190º to 200º - maybe you should try going to 210º, let it cook a bit before those last 'purging' hits.

 

[grogazola]

Sorry, yeah I went to 210C.

Tried a last session, packed it full, tamped it nicely, packed a little more so the screen was definitely pushing on flower.

Hit power, waited two minutes...gave it fifteen seconds between puffs...clouds yes! even a cough I couldn’t keep down!

I assumed you didn’t want flower near the beige (ceramic?) ring since it didn’t cook. the way I packed it was that i filled the chamber, tamped, and sprinkled more, and tamped.

five minute session at 190C...decent to great effects...forgot to max out at 210C like @darbarikanada mentioned!

unfortunately, my abv is very light, compared to what other users have posted online here’s a pic
https://imgur.com/a/ve0EoP1

 

[darbarikanada]

unfortunately, my abv is very light, compared to what other users have posted online here’s a pic

I think the ABV's fine. mighty ABV doesn't get dark brown. as long as it's that ocher color and there aren't green bits, you're fine.

yes: don't load above the beige ceramic ring.

it sounds like you've pretty much got it. I personally don't always do those last 'purging' hits (bad taste, and I'm usually plenty high at that point), but if you don't mind the taste and want maximum extraction, go for it.

 

[grogazola]

I think the ABV's fine. mighty ABV doesn't get dark brown. as long as it's that ocher color and there aren't green bits, you're fine.

yes: don't load above the beige ceramic ring.

it sounds like you've pretty much got it. I personally don't always do those last 'purging' hits (bad taste, and I'm usually plenty high at that point), but if you don't mind the taste and want maximum extraction, go for it.

you, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar

I will say coming from a desktop background - the mighty is nice, gentle, easy to be social, reduction in anxiety (depending on strain)

I was hoping it to be a little more potent for a lack of a better term - competitively the volcano (my standard) is much harsher than the the mighty. the medicated feeling with the mighty is very very very clean. not necessarily mild but the effects are decidedly cerebral. reduction in anxiety, improved mood, relaxed but not lethargic. I don’t even feel like I vaked. I’m just relaxed.

another one, how long in between puffs for those toasty cloudy puffs? Around 190C to 210C?

 

[david8613]

Cool thank you!

It was puffing nicely at 190C and I decided to turn it up to 200C and the vapour just stopped. I really think the mighty does well at lower temperatures. May explain how some people are able to get ten minute sessions.

There are little bits of green hues in my abv - no sifting this time - tightly tamped

https://imgur.com/a/OIWbtGr

Need two bowls to get to where I’d like to be. Still efficient.

Still the smoothest vape I’ve tried. Nothing even resembling harsh. Almost too smooth!

Edit - I worry my grind is too coarse - it works perfect for all my other pieces

I think your avb could look a little better use the storz and bickle orange shredder. for a budget plastic shredder its really good, perfect consistency. Nice, even cuts, fluffy looking product.

Here is a pic of my avb.
I plan to upgrade to a better metal shredder in the future. for your avb to look good with good clouds its important to have a good shredder. I had cheaply made one off Amazon and the cuts were uneven, and my vaporizers were not performing there best, when switched to s&b shredder big difference!

 

[grogazola]

I think your avb could look a little better use the storz and bickle orange shredder. for a plastic shredder its really good, perfect consistency.

Here is a pic of my stuff.

thank you @david8613

here’s a finer grind abv - I have large SCS and medium SC https://imgur.com/a/ve0EoP1

how dry/moist is your flower?

I keep all my flower in cvaults with integra packs - I wonder if my bud is too moist

 

[david8613]

My product always has different moisture levels, but in those pics cascadia blooms sour space candy cbd, super moist. Just leave out on a paper towel for 10 mins or so and your good to go. What shredder you using? I use simple ball jars. I would like to upgrade my jars and I need invest in humidity pack and oxygen packs.

 

[darbarikanada]

no problem - happy to help out if I can.

the consensus seems to be that desktops are generally more powerful than portables, although some people think the mighty comes close or even matches desktops.

another one, how long in between puffs for those toasty cloudy puffs? Around 190C to 210C?

letting it cook for ~30 sec after it reaches the target temp should be enough, but you can experiment, see if you get better clouds if you wait even longer.

I wonder if my bud is too moist

that could explain at least part of what you've been experiencing. IME drier weed gets spent at lower temps (e.g. <180ºC). coarse grind, more moisture = higher temps needed

 

[Deano]

My opinion is that Mighty is a great, great vape when all the qualities are balanced out. I can always return to it with confidence about performance. Taste I'd call really, really good, while acknowledging that there are better vapes for those who are more focused solely on flavor (or deep extraction).

Just curious which Vapes you feel produce better tasting vapor than the mighty/crafty?

Many have a nice initial green taste but quickly turn to a burnt/roasted flavor.

 

[grogazola]

I have the small and extra small cvaults. When I pull out a bud it’s pretty perfect for the volcano. I only bust what I’ll vape.

What I may experiment with tomorrow is grinding up more, letting some dry, and popping it in the mighty.

I’ll be honest though, if I don’t keep it in a humidor it gets bone dry where it’s not even enjoyable.

My product always has different moisture levels, but in those pics cascadia blooms sour space candy cbd, super moist. Just leave out on a paper towel for 10 mins or so and your good to go. What shredder you using? I use simple ball jars. I would like to upgrade my jars and I need invest in humidity pack and oxygen packs.

@david8613 - I have infinity jars, cvaults, and I use the little bernardin ones as a dish and abv containers. if you get cvaults don’t forget they can store a lot more than they look like they can.

I like integra packs - I find boveda dries out quickly. I’ve been experimenting with 55RH and 62RH...

 

[david8613]

I can chime in here, I have been trying out more of my vapes lately since the hybrid problems arose. Flavor kings for me was the firefly 2 but I retired that one. The ghost mv1 hangs with firefly for flavor easily and is a harder hitter imo, both are full convection. The splinter series are also great for flavor, mostly glass, wood metal. Grasshopper and dynavap are good too flavor wise, no plastics in these.

The mighty is no slouch either when it comes to flavor, even though there is more plastics than others, dont know how S&B does it.

 

[ohmygodimsohigh]

I have the small and extra small cvaults. When I pull out a bud it’s pretty perfect for the volcano. I only bust what I’ll vape.

What I may experiment with tomorrow is grinding up more, letting some dry, and popping it in the mighty.

I’ll be honest though, if I don’t keep it in a humidor it gets bone dry where it’s not even enjoyable.



@david8613 - I have infinity jars, cvaults, and I use the little bernardin ones as a dish and abv containers. if you get cvaults don’t forget they can store a lot more than they look like they can.

I like integra packs - I find boveda dries out quickly. I’ve been experimenting with 55RH and 62RH...

From the looks of your abv pic, something is wrong with your Mighty or its CU...
I use moist nugs all the time, they vape great.
Your abv should be darker and it should be hitting harder than your fierce

 

[habitat-fc]

I have the small and extra small cvaults. When I pull out a bud it’s pretty perfect for the volcano. I only bust what I’ll vape.

What I may experiment with tomorrow is grinding up more, letting some dry, and popping it in the mighty.

I’ll be honest though, if I don’t keep it in a humidor it gets bone dry where it’s not even enjoyable.



@david8613 - I have infinity jars, cvaults, and I use the little bernardin ones as a dish and abv containers. if you get cvaults don’t forget they can store a lot more than they look like they can.

I like integra packs - I find boveda dries out quickly. I’ve been experimenting with 55RH and 62RH...

If you want a more complete extraction with the Mighty put the liquid pad on top of the load and you will find the ABV gets much darker and there will be more "body" in the effects. It helps increase the conduction element, which helps give a more complete extraction.

The Mighty is never the best for "body" high though from my experience, the only portable that gives me a lot of body effects is the Splinter Z, I find most portables to be "heady".