The Magic-Flight Box

[Puffers]

I go native usually I find the stem makes me choke a bit easier from the vapor hitting my throat so I have only used it a couple times. Maybe I should break it out and give it another shot though. Native the vapor can be a bit hot but it's easier for me tell where my temps at, and it's more stealth if I am driving or out and about.

 

[YFZ]

I use the stem anytime i can since kissing it will gunk up the wood.
Cooler air plus i dont need to gauge the heat since i know how long and how hard to draw amyways. As long as the bulb isnt dimming i know im getting vapor.

 

[OF]

I use the stem anytime i can since kissing it will gunk up the wood.

This is actually pretty easy to fix. Wax your box. Put a few solid coats of a good paste wax (Johnson's floor wax being my favorite), one with a lot of Carnauba in it on the area and 'mouth junk' wipes off easily and completely. I do the whole box, keeps it quite clean and good looking (doesn't dry out like oiling does).

FWIW, I'm usually a 'stemless guy' myself, it seems more in keeping with the spirit of the box somehow. Fits in the pocket better that way too.

OF

 

[Buildozer]

Cool OF... good to know.. that's a big part of the reason i hardly use native... i like the stem but it'd be nice to carry one less part around sometimes... besides using it w/o the stem in public would give it away a lot less.

EDIT: on a side note i just tried using bubble hash for the first time mixed w/ bud.. about 60/40. the LB was hitting so nice... every hit tasted like the first one and the vapor was more dense too.. dense enough to puff O's w/ ha.. it was the kind of bubble that doesn't melt but it does get sticky.. never felt like trying before ha i wish i had done this sooner... Its really nice, the herb isn't even charring, crumbling down, or even sticking, and i'm not even flipping it as often.. i'm using my PA at ~45%... its given a lot of hits so far too and its still hittin ha.. favorite way to use so far... iv'e read about it before but never felt like trying it until now

 

[banana_republic]

how many of you use your box native?

I do!

(...)
FWIW, I'm usually a 'stemless guy' myself, it seems more in keeping with the spirit of the box somehow. Fits in the pocket better that way too.

OF

Cool OF... good to know.. that's a big part of the reason i hardly use native... i like the stem but it'd be nice to carry one less part around sometimes... besides using it w/o the stem in public would give it away a lot less.
(...)

I usually carry the LB to outdoor rides and to "disguise" it (in case some curious police officer asks to open my backpack and finds the box) it is usually wrapped in some earphones, as if it was some pocket radio or mp3 player... But, as soon as I mastered some technique, I then started to love hitting the box native!
Something less to be broken, to carry, and to disguise, these are the main reasons I started using the box native.... and now, I have to say I do prefer that way!

Cheers!

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

BOOM Chicka Wow Wow!

Oops... Blow 'em up, they're HD.

Just a different take

 

[pakalolo]

This is actually pretty easy to fix. Wax your box. Put a few solid coats of a good paste wax (Johnson's floor wax being my favorite), one with a lot of Carnauba in it on the area and 'mouth junk' wipes off easily and completely. I do the whole box, keeps it quite clean and good looking (doesn't dry out like oiling does).

FWIW, I'm usually a 'stemless guy' myself, it seems more in keeping with the spirit of the box somehow. Fits in the pocket better that way too.

OF

Ummm, floor wax? I like the idea but there are lots of food-grade waxes out there.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Wax your box.

OF

This sentence. It does not mean what I think you think it means.

LOL!

 

[OF]

Ummm, floor wax? I like the idea but there are lots of food-grade waxes out there.

But Carnauba is a food grade wax, it's used all the time in candy making. It's what keeps M&Ms doing what they do. Comes from Palm trees you know......

Besides which, you're not supposed to eat the box you know, that's a different forum......

This sentence. It does not mean what I think you think it means.

Actually it does....it just doesn't really mean what you think it does. Somehow I had the feeling it might catch your attention Big Guy! Good to know you're still in there holding up your end as it were....

What's the old joke about the guy at the shrink being shown the ink blots? "That's a man and a women holding hands". "That's a different man and woman kissing". "That's the same man an woman hugging". That's the first man and women taking each other's clothes off"......

The shrink says, "Ah, I see you seem preoccupied with sex". "What do you mean me, Doc, you're the one with all the dirty pictures...".

OF

 

[pakalolo]

But Carnauba is a food grade wax, it's used all the time in candy making. It's what keeps M&Ms doing what they do. Comes from Palm trees you know......

True, I know it's basically Carnauba wax. I also know most floor waxes contain things like naptha, which I'd avoid putting in my mouth since it's pretty easy to do so. Of course, you can get a mild solvent high from sniffing it.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Wait? I can get mild solvents high, just by sniffing them?

How do I know when they're high?

(blame mom, she's the one that forced me into making 3 videos and all those takes).

 

[OF]

True, I know it's basically Carnauba wax. I also know most floor waxes contain things like naptha, which I'd avoid putting in my mouth since it's pretty easy to do so. Of course, you can get a mild solvent high from sniffing it.

Yup, but like ISO (which is worse, really) it's going to evaporate off as it dries so by the time you buff it out you get a solid waterproof film. In general 'mineral oils' are not really an issue and there's a trivial (IMO0 amount left. I'm sure it can be detected, but we're talking about a wooden box here......

The can doesn't tell you not to lick the kitchen floor. The only safety warning is a NYFD warning about combustion (and we don't do that....), kinda like the tag on a mattress?

Find a better wax and I'm happy to change?

Wait? I can get mild solvents high, just by sniffing them?

How do I know when they're high?

Doesn't work....I tried.

You know, BDV, you're one sick puppy......in case anyone asks. I like that.

You do know how to smell moth balls, right?

OF

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

How do you get them to sit still.

Though I suppose if someone wanted to smell my balls, I'd sit real still-like and let them take their time.

 

[OF]

How do you get them to sit still.

Though I suppose if someone wanted to smell my balls, I'd sit real still-like and let them take their time.

I usually hold them by their little wings myself......

I like your approach, may I suggest soft music and candle light?

OF

 

[Nycdeisel]

I put organic virgin(unrefined) coconut oil on my box and the wooden stem too. i also have a wax from AromaZap/PurpleDays I could use on it if I wanted a wax...

 

[OF]

i also have a wax from AromaZap/PurpleDays I could use on it if I wanted a wax...

Another good option, but bee's wax is lame against Carnauba.....and I'm too lazy to do it more often than necessary I guess?

The idea remains the same, use some sort of wax to waterproof the surface of the wood.

OF

 

[JeeSee]

Hey guys,
It's been a while since I was here. My LB has seen a fuckload of use since, and I'm on the cusp of upgrading to a PA + car adapter. I had a few questions for you experienced people:
1) My batteries have already had to be replaced once within a month (the native ones) because every time I used to charge them, they'd overheat and every time I hit the vape a little while longer they'd overheat too. Maybe it was just the voltage here in India or something. Then I bought Sony 2800 mAh batteries and sttarted using an Eveready charger instead of the MF one (which I lost), and haven't had problems with the new ones for a couple months. Now, though, I see them diminishing slowly in power. Could this be a problem with the box that causes them to overheat so quickly? Do you have to change batteries this frequently too?
2) The lid of my LB seems to have become slightly raised off the wood. Is there a way to tighten it?
3) Is there a way to clean the trench of the box?
4) I watched BigDaddyVapor's video about. I could NEVER get a thick stream of vapor building up that quickly and lasting that long... how did you do it man?!
Thanks for your time,
GC.

 

[Buildozer]

2) The lid of my LB seems to have become slightly raised off the wood. Is there a way to tighten it?
4) I watched BigDaddyVapor's video about. I could NEVER get a thick stream of vapor building up that quickly and lasting that long... how did you do it man?!
Thanks for your time,
GC.

2* Is the wood warped on the box?... or is the lid just lose?... if it is lose, just open the lid 180 and press down the lid pin to make it more snug... if the box is warped then maybe you should warranty it, i have successfully sanded a warped box back to flat before but it was tedious and nerve wracking... i wouldn't recommend it unless you feel pretty confident... it warped for me at the saw cut where the - connection is made... good luck... sorry i cant answer the battery issue...

4* BDV's just got skills ha and i'm sure new batteries ha... i was getting clouds like that last night by mixing in some lower grade bubble hash in the trench... it kept the herb from browning fast and produced lots of vapor... required a lot less shaking...

3* also not sure if you meant clean the trench or under the trench... there are trench cleaning vid's on youtube...

hope you get that PA... i love mine.. makes those bong hits work out better... hopefully the voltage in India isn't an issue... IDK electricity confuses me ha..

 

[skippy]

how many of you use your box native? i never really liked it all that much before cause i found it a bit hot and that it would somewhat burn my tongue. however, this past week i sucked it up and tried using my LB native for a few days and have been absolutely loving it. seeing a new side of my box with just a little kiss

I always bat native now. I started off native but then I spent a few months using a stem and enjoyed it but I decided to try native again after seeing the rep from MFLB say native was the intended use for the box. After I went back to bareback I found there was no going back to a stem, in my opinion, I believe I get better hits and better highs from using it native.

 

[Buildozer]

i feel the techniques and methods are very flexible... they can all be bent to get the same results and effects out of any of them... IMO native tastes best though, and there is the benefit of sharper trench senses but that's about it... iv'e come to realize there's no best method... all you have to do is understand the LB and then its like riding a bike no matter what your use preference... It all comes down to is temp control and battery pulse... whatever works best ATM is the only best way. i don't believe native gives bigger hits or (edit: Noticeably) higher highs...

 

[vapirtoo]

The whole deal with hitting the box "native" is that all - well most - vapor condensation takes
place in our bodies so very little of the hit is wasted until we exhale. The bigger and higher thing is just way to subjective; the box allows for a lot of variation and we love experimenting with them all.

 

[beefsupreme]

I always bat native now. I started off native but then I spent a few months using a stem and enjoyed it but I decided to try native again after seeing the rep from MFLB say native was the intended use for the box. After I went back to bareback I found there was no going back to a stem, in my opinion, I believe I get better hits and better highs from using it native.

I use the box native when i'm out and about in the city. Stealth hits with the MFLB hidden in your hand are fun. When i'm at home and sitting down, I liked using a 1ft whip. It seems like i can take longer rips this way. I just got the WPW for christmas though so thats another good option.

Do people seal their boxes with wax generally though? My box is over a year old and I haven't noticed any real gunk from hitting it natively. I usually just wipe it on a shirt or something after use..

 

[Nycdeisel]

No I wouldnt say they do, beefsupreme.

 

[YFZ]

why do the batts get so hot in stock charger? If ut really did charge at rate stated they wouldnt get that hot. Seems like they all do this.

 

[NateHevens]

why do the batts get so hot in stock charger? If ut really did charge at rate stated they wouldnt get that hot. Seems like they all do this.

You... might need to get your charger replaced (or maybe the batteries). I'm using the stock charger myself. I had to get my original one replaced, but they sent me pretty much the same one, and it absolutely does not heat up my batteries at all.