The Magic-Flight Box

[stuey]

Thanks for these cleaning tips, helpful for anyone who have these and is concerned about using iso.

If I do a non-visual draw I use muscle memory to draw as fast as I normally do. I can feel the vapor, but I want to see it to be sure I'm doing it right. I like most the visual regulation and get the best hits this way. But again, everyone is different, some feel vapor better or learn non-visual techniques more. Laso non-visual are more stealthy.


I can see the vapor in there only when i start drawing when it's accumulated and fades in vortex (so it can be visual regulation for pulse-hitting). I use long slow draw method and this way vapor can be seen only in the stem.


Would like to, maybe next time I will be ordering something big. If I ordered only stems to Europe, I would pay much more only for customs.

If you want vapor try the pulse teqnique rather than the long draw.


As for stems, you shouldn't be paying any customs duty on them as anything under about £20 is exempt. Might want to ask MF to pop them in an envelope rather than send them as a parcel to cut the postage costs.

 

[Seek]

If you want vapor try the pulse teqnique rather than the long draw.

That was a reaction to visibility in the bowl. I get vapor. But it's visible only in the stem because flow doesn't let it accumulate in there. Pulse hits can give even bigger clouds sometimes, but are less temp stable and heat doen't get that deep - i want to vape it evenly and long draw with shakes is the best method imo to achieve this.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

My Powerex 2700's got here two days early! Yes!!

I love them. They're exactly what I want in a battery. These should hold me over during the day enough to get home.

 

[stuey]

That was a reaction to visibility in the bowl. I get vapor. But it's visible only in the stem because flow doesn't let it accumulate in there. Pulse hits can give even bigger clouds sometimes, but are less temp stable and heat doen't get that deep - i want to vape it evenly and long draw with shakes is the best method imo to achieve this.

TBH I never see the vapor in the bowl. I have seen some videos where you can see it but the only place I ever see vapor is in the stem.

 

[vorrange]

TBH I never see the vapor in the bowl. I have seen some videos where you can see it but the only place I ever see vapor is in the stem.

that problably as to do with your technique, like Seek said if you keep inhaling the vapor doesn't form in the bowl, instead it flows right through the stem. If you shake and not inhale, you will see the vapor getting cleared of the bowl.

I always think at that moment: the fog has lifted!

 

[NotPotRelated]

Just a couple of comics i thought you guys should read

On a different note, does anyone have a link to a small waterpipe that will take the wpa?

 

[HighlyEducatedScholar]

ask and you shall receive

http://www.gogowholesale.com/pipes-glass_water_pipes-gogo_clear_glass_on_glass_water_pipes.html

obviously this is cheap glass for the price asked but might fit what you're asking for. i've heard mixed reviews about this website, people saying they got the wrong piece and stuff but mainly for people who order multiple items during a purchase. i ordered this waterpipe from the website and received it with no complications. i liked this one better than the one i posted above because of the bent neck but it did not come with a female downstem so i had to get one myself at the LHS. this first one i posted above does come with a female downstem so you should be able to use it with the WPA upon receiving it.

 

[NotPotRelated]

TBH I never see the vapor in the bowl. I have seen some videos where you can see it but the only place I ever see vapor is in the stem.

Me being able to see the vapor right above the trench helps my hit technique. its almost like a little spiral cloud that forms right above the trench being stopped by the cover. as i draw slowly it does a spiral motion and as i keep on holding the battery the cloud re appears. You probably arent seeing the vapor in the box bc of the light or angle your looking at it. So just keep on looking from different angles

 

[Seek]

My first homemade GLASS waterpipe (except plastic airtight cover, silicone whip and perc, acrylic stems, mflb):

I think it can't be smaller now.

edit: done perc and mouthpiece, its perfect now.
PERC (8 tiny diamond holes / 4 height levels + big hole at the end)

edit 2:
Done few hits and it work excellent. Hits are so smooth (tiny bubbles) and it has just right drag to make the right airflow at my favorite temp. Also it is that small and well shaped it fits just in hand, like the MFLB itself. Connection through whip makes it possible to shake while drawing. For me just perfect.

 

[HighlyEducatedScholar]

nice little DIY you got there Seek. I've made a home-made bubbler for the MFLB a few times too. one thing i learned about a making a home-made for the LB is to keep in mind how much diffusion you make. if you have too much diffusion then it won't work well with the MFLB from what i've found. good luck with the mods!

 

[Seek]

I've learned the opposite -> that mflb need a lot of diffusion. Big bubbles kill the temp, airflow needs to be slow and soft.

Also mflb needs small air volume in there or the breath regulation gets hard. Also water level not too high above perc.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

On a different note, does anyone have a link to a small waterpipe that will take the wpa?

Any "water pipe" that's 14mm and the joint is diagonal should fit the adapter.

 

[wilf789]

Not sure if anyone else has had this problem, but it seems that my second Power Adapter has now broken.

Happened in exactly the same way as the first one - the wire that connects the battery end to the temperature dial box has worked itself loose over time until it just stops working. At first a bit of wiggling would solve the issue, but now nothing works and I've been forced to use batteries instead. It has almost never been moved from my desk so there's no question of mistreatment.

I will email Magic Flight on Monday - they were very helpful last time this happened and sent me a new one. However I had to send them my first broken PA back, which I am hoping they will not ask me to do this time, as because I am in the UK posting something to California is not very cheap.
I also think it's a bit unfair to ask a customer to have to pay more for something they have already purchased. I'd be happy to send it back if they really need it, but would ask that they refund me the cost of posting.

I have nothing but love and respect for my MFLB and the team that makes/sells them - just wish they'd make the PAs a little more durable!

 

[OF]

Not sure if anyone else has had this problem, but it seems that my second Power Adapter has now broken.

I will email Magic Flight on Monday - they were very helpful last time this happened and sent me a new one. However I had to send them my first broken PA back, which I am hoping they will not ask me to do this time, as because I am in the UK posting something to California is not very cheap.
I also think it's a bit unfair to ask a customer to have to pay more for something they have already purchased. I'd be happy to send it back if they really need it, but would ask that they refund me the cost of posting.

I have nothing but love and respect for my MFLB and the team that makes/sells them - just wish they'd make the PAs a little more durable!

Wow, two more or less identical failures to the same customer? AFAIK this is not a common sort of failure so the chances of this become 'not very likely times not very likely'. Is the location of the breakdown the same? Is there perhaps some uncommon but quite reasonable routine flexing going on? A fault should be distributed across all users? If it's the same place I'd consider a rearrangement to try to protect it?

That said, this sort of failure (the repeat) can be the most valuable type to examine which might increase it's value to the maker past the normal ones. It's unfortunate that it's so expensive for you to return it, but that is the usual agreement on such things here. Unlike I understand there? Here I expect to pay for return and expect a 'new or repaired' unit by paid shipping (always the cheapest) of course. That cost of support is built into the price. To cover the 'better deals' you typically enjoy on purchased items would raise the price for all, or so we see it.

I hope something can be worked out and that you have no further problems. However, I can also understand their wanting to insist on the terms of the original agreement but am confident they will share the hope of smooth sailing. Good luck.

OF

 

[NotPotRelated]

I would like to make my own mflb stem i was wondering if anyone has tried this and can give me any tips... thanks

 

[stuey]

I think its unfair to ask people to post returns internationally. Its expensive and TBH usually unnecessary.

 

[OF]

I think its unfair to ask people to post returns internationally. Its expensive and TBH usually unnecessary.

Understood. A complex issue, not unlike the Health Insurance debate really? "Why should I pay extra for some guy that lives in some strange place?" also makes some sense. Why shouldn't we have a flat rate for all shipments no matter where?

It is part of the agreement made at purchase, and it's also a cost I consider carefully before I buy from Europe or Asia. To be honest, I generally decide to take the risk and figure I'll replace or abandon it rather than try to work some International Warranty deal with customs and shipping and all. A Yankee perspective for sure, we've got a huge marketplace within the borders, unlike in the UK or even the EU I guess.

Anyway, I hope MF will work something out (they're known for that), but it's a bonus, not what was agreed to up front. Special cases get sticky, how about the guy here in the States with very little money and only one vape against the more moneyed chap overseas with many? I'm glad it's not my call. FWIW, I'd still be more concerned about why it's a repeat failure and figuring out how to keep number 3 from happening.

OF

 

[stuey]

Understood. A complex issue, not unlike the Health Insurance debate really? "Why should I pay extra for some guy that lives in some strange place?" also makes some sense. Why shouldn't we have a flat rate for all shipments no matter where?

It is part of the agreement made at purchase, and it's also a cost I consider carefully before I buy from Europe or Asia. To be honest, I generally decide to take the risk and figure I'll replace or abandon it rather than try to work some International Warranty deal with customs and shipping and all. A Yankee perspective for sure, we've got a huge marketplace within the borders, unlike in the UK or even the EU I guess.

Anyway, I hope MF will work something out (they're known for that), but it's a bonus, not what was agreed to up front. Special cases get sticky, how about the guy here in the States with very little money and only one vape against the more moneyed chap overseas with many? I'm glad it's not my call. FWIW, I'd still be more concerned about why it's a repeat failure and figuring out how to keep number 3 from happening.

OF

I still think its unfair

I still don't think that MF needs the physical box back in most cases.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I still think its unfair

I still don't think that MF needs the physical box back in most cases.

As unfair as it may seem, I think they do it so they can migitate fraudulent warranty claims. I mean, they're an awesome company, we can all agree on that, so why wouldn't someone try to capitalize on it? "Oh, my PA broke, can you send me another one for free?" and someone ends up with two working PA's and sell one or something. It could also be that they want them back to see what went wrong and to be able to improve on it for later builds.

 

[OF]

As unfair as it may seem, I think they do it so they can migitate fraudulent warranty claims. I mean, they're an awesome company, we can all agree on that, so why wouldn't someone try to capitalize on it? "Oh, my PA broke, can you send me another one for free?" and someone ends up with two working PA's and sell one or something. It could also be that they want them back to see what went wrong and to be able to improve on it for later builds.

Two good thoughts. If it's just a matter of control of warranty costs and not a Quality related review issue, MF has a history of settling for a photo of the destroyed box. In that case, I'm sure they'll go with a photo of the unit smashed to bits with any handy hammer, if and that's a big if, it's their call, they can't make constructive use of it in terms of parts or research. My money's on the former, but I fully understand and would support the latter as well.

OF

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

MF's request for my warranty box, was for R & D. Though, with mine... they'll come to the conclusion, "dumbass dropped box, broke lid".

 

[OF]

MF's request for my warranty box, was for R & D. Though, with mine... they'll come to the conclusion, "dumbass dropped box, broke lid".

Yeah, but sure as God made all them little apples, MF busts their hump after you send that box in and come up with a dumbass proof lid next thing you know someone's going to breed the superdumbass to combat it.

Still, one must try.....

OF

 

[wilf789]

Thanks for the responses.

Interesting that no-one else seems to have had a problem with the PA wire coming loose. As I said I leave it on my desk pretty much the whole time - if it does have to be put away then I will loop the battery-ended wire up, but not tightly and not in a way that should cause any undue stress to the connection.

If it comes to it I will pay the postage to return it - but slightly grudgingly! I understand now it's a different agreement in the US. Over here companies will, for example, have a freepost form you can print off and stick to the package so that you don't have to pay anything when returning faulty goods. Seems fairer to me!

Also makes sense why they would want the broken PA back.

As an aside - does anyone know if the lifetime warranty on the LB itself transfers with sale? I'm moving to Canada soon and my friends would like to buy my vapes.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

I do have an issue with my PA, nothing to do with a loose wire though. The positive terminal, didn't get seated right, or milled right. It sits at a very slight angle. I have to have it turned at certain angles to get it to work. Works better, w/o the pushback also.

Small annoyance, imo.

And yes, the warranty transfers. As long as the serial number is intact.

 

[OF]

Thanks for the responses.

Interesting that no-one else seems to have had a problem with the PA wire coming loose. As I said I leave it on my desk pretty much the whole time - if it does have to be put away then I will loop the battery-ended wire up, but not tightly and not in a way that should cause any undue stress to the connection.


As an aside - does anyone know if the lifetime warranty on the LB itself transfers with sale? I'm moving to Canada soon and my friends would like to buy my vapes.

You're welcome, hope some good comes of it.

I'm thinking that the root cause might end up being twisting? If the unit itself doesn't move freely any otherwise minor flexing is concentrated at that point on the cable, it's only copper in there and copper 'work hardens' under such cases. You should be able to use it any way you want, of course, but the fact that the same failure isn't happening 'all over' but twice to you is a clue I think. At the very least I'd put a split on that section next time? Maybe tape a tongue depressor to the unit and first bit of cable to transfer the strain away from the connnection?

Yes, it's my understanding the warranty goes with the box.

OF