The Magic-Flight Box

[Nycdeisel]

Sounds like you had a great first time vaping experience! congrats! and enjoy for years to come!

and welcome to FC, stick around

 

[weedemon]

nice vids jds. i clean mine the same way too, i really liked the battery vid too though.

@Elluzion, regarding scorching your trenches when you are not wanting to be vapin i have done this too, and it does smell rank eh? lol. when i am on the go and not hitting my mflb i put the battery in backwards so that i KNOW it cannot make contact with the unit. if there is nothing my my pocket it;s that easy. if i have other metal in my pocket though, i then put the battery cap on the other end while i have it in backwards.

 

[Nycdeisel]

easy enough, weedemon. I like jds's how to videos as well, very informational.

I wont go into it now, but Im using the warranty on my Box, kind of a pain in the ass to send the old one back but I guess if I want to keep my warranty... :/

I gotta order some battery caps too and maybe some of that whip tubing

might get new batts+charger too. I know the Powerex 2700s, whats the top charger recommended? I know I read about a Lacrosse charger but that is all that I recall... anyone?

 

[pakalolo]

I'm having a slight problem with my MFLB.

Info: My MFLB is one of the newest revisions and I am using Powerex 2700 batteries
Issue: When I take a hit and let go of the battery, the battery will sometimes not come out all the way and it will still be scorching my trench (lightly), sometimes I can only see a very faint light. It is almost as if the pushback ring isn't working or something? But It looks to be in there good and secure so I don't know ;/.

Let me know what you guys think. This issue has gotten annoying because the trench scorches smell horrible and it fills the room and makes it completely non-stealthy, and this has happened MULTIPLE times over and over, I have even fingered the hole quickly with the batteries to try and stretch the MFLB out but it still will do it. So I don't know what to do anymore

:/

Don't rely on the pushback ring. Develop the habit of immediately inverting your LB after a hit. Your load will no longer be in contact with the screen unless it's particularly sticky, in which case you should be inverting and shaking anyway. Those of us without the pushback ring have always had to do this.

 

[medme]

i love my PA........

 

[Chronic]

had my 1st run in with a battery last weekend, a MFLB battery somehow ended up in my phone case with a couple pound coins... so i go to pay for my take away & the pound coins are black & seriously hot, the battery is sizzling away, my cards are melted together... and im tripping on shrooms! im just lucky it didn't melt my phone screen

 

[Learner]

Those of us without the pushback ring have always had to do this.

And walk to school uphill both ways. Just playing.

I would almost rather not have the pushback ring in.

Fiendishness can't effect the LB learning curve, methinks.

 

[ir0nic]

hey guys, i was wondering how many of you have tried hash in a mflb? i've been using my PA on full power for just typical herb but it works awesome on this chocolate.

if it's too big i will edit and resize hehe

 

[Puget]

[. . .]
might get new batts+charger too. I know the Powerex 2700s, whats the top charger recommended? I know I read about a Lacrosse charger but that is all that I recall... anyone?

The Maha C-9000 is the top recommended charger for AA & AAA, I'm quite sure. I bought one a month ago even though I already owned a lesser Maha that works fine. I'm really happy with the C-9000, it can show you exactly what the capacity of each battery is.

In my brief tests of new Powerex 2700 and Imedion 2400, the Powerex 2700 showed 2600 and the Imedions were very close to 2400. A few more cycles might bring the 2700's all the way up, I dunno, but my point is I recommend the Imedions because they don't have to be freshly charged before you use them.

So I recently vaped for the first time, using the MFLB with the whip. I was charring--not browning--my herb pretty badly until I let it dry out all the way and then ground it to powder using the Vic Firth STS06SM01 "Pump & Grind" Salt Mill from Amazon.

PROBLEM: I tried using my bong with the whip and was on my way to an awesome hit (I thought) when combustion occurred, including scorched wood beneath the screen. I've been scared to use this combination again because I don't know what I did wrong. Must have been drawing too slowly?

 

[Elluzion]

hey guys, i was wondering how many of you have tried hash in a mflb? i've been using my PA on full power for just typical herb but it works awesome on this chocolate.

http://f.cl.ly/items/1q1M241y0n0K21423k23/IMAG0037.jpg

if it's too big i will edit and resize hehe

looks amazing! What kind of wood is your mflb??!!! it looks deliciousss. i want my lips on it now

 

[WatTyler]

PROBLEM: I tried using my bong with the whip and was on my way to an awesome hit (I thought) when combustion occurred, including scorched wood beneath the screen. I've been scared to use this combination again because I don't know what I did wrong. Must have been drawing too slowly?

I find this a problem often tying to vapor bong with the LB- well not so much combustion, but over charring. I've come to the conclusion that the LB is just not designed for creating those massive quantity hits needed for bongs. I don't necessarily think it's just the speed of the draw, but also the duration. It's only the small amount of the load that is actually in contact with the screen which is vaporising at any one time, and there's not enough in contact to properly fill a bong with vapor without cooking the herb that's touching the screen more than I'd like.

I can milk big hits without charring, but it means stopping mid hit with a half milked bong and shaking the trench, and starting the draw again. It's not quite the same as taking one massive hit.

I think it's just the main limitation of the LB. It's a great vape for lots of situations, but big milky bong hits aren't really where it's at. Plenty of other vapes do that better.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I was at a party last night where I trenched everyone heavily

Good thing this isn't a family forum!

I'm just glad someone noticed.

 

[VWFringe]

HAHAHAHAHA

yeah, i unwrapped a few AA batteries last year when i was experimenting, and they've been nothing but trouble ever since...heated up a paperclip accidently and cut a line thru two fingers trying to move it

i can expect my car battery to light up a wire, but am not used to thinking such a small battery can

i just got my Li-Ion chargers last night, and finally have 18650's to play with in E-Cigs...but while charging i made sure they were in safety bags on top of marble counter tops. don't want my house burning down, hear it happens a lot charging Li-Ions if you look away with a cheap charger.

1000 mAh charger took 4 1/2 hours for 18650's that were a bit low.

 

[willieR]

Hysterical!!!

 

[Puget]

Thanks for the reply, WatTyler. I am awaiting shipment of an VapexhaleLabs Cloud. I've been bonging and bubbling with fire for years and I can taste the superiority of vaping but I miss the hydration/filtration of H2O. The MFLB will be great for hiking and I'll bring plenty of drinking water.

 

[1nvnx3]

I have a question...

I bought a MFLB, batteries died. Bought rechargeable batteries but didn't fit in the hole of the MFLB. I peeled off the batteries, batteries died. Somebody recommended me to buy the Energizer 15-minute batteries, they worked for a while but 2 have died so far.

Are there any good rechargeable batteries you would recommend me to use with the MFLB?

 

[weedemon]

Are there any good rechargeable batteries you would recommend me to use with the MFLB?

the best so far are the powerex 2700's i have a pack of 4 and they are working fine and i use them quite a bit.

never personally had any issue with batteries failing on me. you re protecting the ends with caps or a case when you carry them around?

 

[keismine]

has anyone ever tried using it with a "lung". im referring to the half waterbottle/plastic bag contraption.

 

[Gongvape]

I ordered a MFLB on saturday. must of been right before the price went up I should have it today in hoping ill come back with my thoughts. Later guys n thanks for all info these

 

[YourPalHal]

has anyone ever tried using it with a "lung". im referring to the half waterbottle/plastic bag contraption.

Yeah, I have actually! You're going to want to be careful not to scorch or burn though. With a lung, there is a LOT of volume (potentially double the volume of the bottle you're using) which can be tricky. The problem is that before you have fully inflated the "lung", often the herb has already been completely vaped, and in some cases will scorch or burn.

It's definitely worth a try, and it really does work if you get it right. Try pulling the bag out halfway, covering the hole, shaking your box, and then continuing for the rest of the draw!

Good Luck!

 

[gnask]

Evening vapers!

I Got a chance to order the Desktop Power Supply (Beta) for my Magic Launch Box.
So i will be reviewing it here since the MFLB Crew reads these forums and they want all the feedback they can get.

My herbs are really dried, and i always grind them properly with the grinder i got with the MLB.

I am going to take a shower and then "get to business" reviewing the power supply

------------------------------------------------
3 Hours Later:

-Ok so im back from betatesting!
And i can just say, the MLB should definately be shipped with the desktop power supply included!
The experience i have had with batteries can not compete with the power cord!
The scroll setting ontop of the device is really good, you can set the "burn strenght" more precise by combining the scrollwheel and the amount of time you activate the power supply.

And the activation button is really responsive too!
I have nothing bad to say about the beta power supply actually, but i would want to be able to order different lenghts on the cable itself, i think the lenght provided is 1.5 meters or 2 meters.

MLB Vaporizer 10/10
MLB Vaporizer +Power Supply Unit 16/10 !

I strongly recommend anyone whos thinking of buying one to do it.

Later!

 

[StickyShisha2]

The experience i have had with batteries can not compete with the power cord!
The scroll setting ontop of the device is really good, you can set the "burn strenght" more precise by combining the scrollwheel and the amount of time you activate the power supply.

I strongly recommend anyone whos thinking of buying one to do it.

i agree.

and i like to keep it dialed down and shake it a bit.

 

[zenmasterofzinfandel]

i've seen a 18650 battery holder that has a current limiting pcb installed -- limits current to 1A ... that may be a starting point for testing.

would be entirely unuseful, the MFLB apparently needs 5A+ to operate, see the wiki FAQ.

I guess EE degree Norb is snoozing a bit on this thread/topic issue. The battery being used in the MFLB is not being 'shorted' per se. Shorting implies and unwanted high-rate current discharge.

This section of the FAQ implies the batteries *must* supply 5A to efficiently power the MFLB:

http://www.vaporpedia.com/wiki/Magi...no_on.2Foff_switch_or_button_on_the_device.3F

For example, the LB needs to switch fairly high current (more than 5 amps) AND it must be very small.

But the Li-Ion of 3.7v nominal, 4.2v off the charger, might get the MFLB too hot, *if* such a battery can supply much higher current than a NiMH battery with less voltage drop, ie provide higher power in terms of watts.

Someone like Norb, of sufficient electrical knowledge, should be able to perform a load test on the MFLB to see just how much power it takes to run the vap. using a 1.2v NiMH battery and assuming 5A would mean at least 6 watts.

In reality, if you go check some of the capacity measurements for 14500 sized Li chemistry batteries tested on CPF, none of them provide any more capacity than a 2000ma Eneloop LSD AA NiMH. Certainly, while very expensive at present, the newer Eneloop XX 2500ma NiMH can provide *more* power than a 14500, so longer runtime.

The FAQ also suggests that the 1.6+ NiZn rechargeable AA batteries can get the unit running too hot:

LiFePo4 might do the same:

http://www.vaporpedia.com/wiki/Magic-Flight_Launch_Box#Batteries

I would guess the RC designed high-current discharge capable 1700ma AA NiMH such as the "Elite", would likewise be capable of driving the MFLB to higher temps, if you want to experiment without having to buy a 14500 Li-Ion battery & charger. Go search on CPF for user "AW" who sells quality Li-Ion (albeit expensive) protected and unprotected various Li-chemistry batteries from Hong Kong.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?298090-The-AA-NiMH-Performance-Test-Thread

^from the Ragone plot in this thread, it appears that both the NiZn and Eiite batteries are capable of supplying up to 15watts power for a short duration, all the rest of the tested NiMH "seem" to be limited to around 10watts. Unlike the Eneloop LSD tech which have proven the most robust in retaining capacity after many charge/discharge cycles out of any NiMH, the NiZn batteries appear to suffer from rather quick loss of ability to retain charge (capacity) in relatively short time/#cycles.

 

[keismine]

has anyone ever tried using it with a "lung". im referring to the half waterbottle/plastic bag contraption.

Yeah, I have actually! You're going to want to be careful not to scorch or burn though. With a lung, there is a LOT of volume (potentially double the volume of the bottle you're using) which can be tricky. The problem is that before you have fully inflated the "lung", often the herb has already been completely vaped, and in some cases will scorch or burn.

It's definitely worth a try, and it really does work if you get it right. Try pulling the bag out halfway, covering the hole, shaking your box, and then continuing for the rest of the draw!

Good Luck!

Yeah, I just tried it using a 12 oz water bottle and a sandwich bag. In my experience 4-5 chamberfulls would usually get the trench an even brown. The first two draws are usually the only ones that taste good though. Tis better in my opinion.

 

[Hippie Dickie]

But the Li-Ion of 3.7v nominal, 4.2v off the charger, might get the MFLB too hot, *if* such a battery can supply much higher current than a NiMH battery with less voltage drop, ie provide higher power in terms of watts.

my super-safe LiFePO4 cells are 3.66v off the charger (may be getting old after so many cycles over the last two years), and can definitely supply current into a direct short (effectively what the screen of the MFLB is) -- 70 Amps constant, 120 Amps in burst. Shorting is just very low resistance, and even pure copper wire is resistance wire with sufficient current draw.

The MFLB is sized for 1.5v, so the LiFePO4s are way over the top. Severe current limit is one way to compensate, without going the electronics route which i prefer. i think i remember reading the MFLB will hit a peak temperature -- i guess that's due to current limiting inherent to the design, or assuming a max current from the Enerloops.

so, GS, do you have your box of Rapture Merlot ready for when the festivities begin. i'll lift a glass to you at 5pm EST (or is it EDT? Shouldn't it be Palestinian time, anyway?)