The Magic-Flight Box

[Avianrave]

I've been a lurker for a good park of a year now. The reviews of the MFLB compelled me to buy one half a year ago. So far, I am 110% satisfied with the MFLB. I was being an idiot with my screen and my o-ring fell out, and I got a warranty replacement quick. You can only expect that level of costumer service when the company fully believes in their product and their customers.

Its a stealth machine, it heats up quick and it helps conserve bud too! I can't wait to try the desktop adapter!

Happy trenches!

 

[llabine1]

I am a newbie but I want to put in my two cents worth..I have been smoking herb off and on since the 60's...I have had many pipes and I have to say the MFLB with the adapter is the perfect way to smoke...when I got my MFLB about a month ago I could not believe how small it is. This by no way determines how well it works...the learning curve with this magical little box is seconds.. I have the best of both worlds...portable with the battery....the perfect vape with the adapter ...no more coughing...no more paranoia about the odor smoke produces...I have never gotten this high without having to use a bong and certainly never had a smoother smoke experience. I have a vapor genie which is also excellent but I would taste the butane from my lighter...I also would go through lighter fluid at an amazing pace...The MFLB does away with all that...letting the true taste of the herb come through..

The adapter has made a huge difference...it is genius...I ordered it and got it in 5 days...the design is brilliant...it takes this little pipe to a different level...it was worth every penny I spent. If you factor in how much lighters and butane cost the adapter will pay for itself in very little time. The Magic Flight crew that have invented it make you feel very special....what other company can you think of that will send a hand written personal thank you on the receipt....that really told me how proud they are of their company...

In conclusion I could not be happier...even without the adapter the pipe is the best I have ever used. I found a few things that make it perfect....I double grind my stuff by turning the grinder upside down and back upright grinding so that the consistency is like sand works best...in the dark the smoke is not very visible through the window but I find if I look into the stem I can see the smoke obscuring the light so I know I am ready...buy this pipe...buy the adapter...buy extra battery and charger...you are good to go for life....thank you MFLB crew...your product is amazing.....

 

[Vapemania-original]

Loudspeaker, in answer to your questions:

'Constant vapor supply' would mean being able to draw for a long time, and taking in a good amount of vapour throughout that time. So 'constant vapor supply' would mean constantly taking in vape for as long as you are drawing.

Airy is anything you've drawn in which has less vapour. Draws full of vapour are 'milky' and 'thick'. Less vapour is 'airy'.

I think Magic Flight promote micro-hitting as well as a long draw method (pyromon's technique).
In other words, because hits depend on so many different variables (quality of herb, dryness of herb, amount of herb, strength of battery, temperature of room etc), it is impossible to know the best way.
It is possible however, for you to find out the best way for yourself.
So try pyromon's technique, micro hitting, and other ways. The one which gives you the most hit or the one you just prefer for whatever reason is the best method.
With vaporising, I have found people enjoy the learning curve, they enjoy trying out different methods for themselves and learning new tricks.
I don't. But people like that individual learning with a new toy.

Yes, Magic Flight do say that exhaled vape which you can see must be wasted vape. Thats common sense, I suppose.
I've come across some lab studies on the net (you should look yourself, you'll remember it better that way) which say that there is a decent amount of THC exhaled when using vaporisers. So maybe its something we can't avoid.
At the end of the day, I don't think anyone knows.
What I do is take a hit, make sure I take the vapour deep into my lungs and then try and keep it there. When I eventually exhale, theres very little vape I can see. So I assume I've ingested it!

I don't know about vaping temperatures.
Essentially, some table top vapes (Volcano, SSV, DBV, HA) are supposed to give you big hits. Its possible thats because they can run on higher temps than the MFLB.
However, since temp cannot be regulated with the MFLB, its not something you'll need to bother with (unless you buy a table top)

I find that a fresh bowl gives the biggest hit.
As the herb browns with consecutive draws, then the hits lessen.
So I try to have a newly charged battery with each fresh bowl so that the first hits are running at the highest temps.

 

[aesthyrian]

Is it true the power adapter is still the beta version as it says on their website? - https://magic-flight.com:4200/buydpab/ar_home

If so, it is the most primitive, shamelessly poor designed power adapter I have seen in my entire life. Only a snip at $59?

Does that mean you think the MFLB itself is a primitive, shamelessly poor designed vape? It looks crude and simple, but where they didn't focus on silly aesthetics, they focused on creating an efficient and consistent vapor path. Functionality should be #1 in my book.

I guess I just don't understand what seems so shitty about the appearance of the power adapter?

 

[Vapemania-original]

Hi, just got my MFLB opened up. I have a couple questions off the bat.

But something else popped up after my first trial. It seemed like a couple little shreds of my bud were sticking to the top plastic slide when i moved it over the trench. Is that because it's not grinded up enough?

Thanks

Thats weird.
There may be static electricity on the plastic slide causing the herb to stick to it.
Or, the plastic slide is damp causing the herb to stick
Or, the vape condenses on the plastic slide causing the herb to stick (if this is the case, then all the vape wouldn't be being drawn in).

I find the smallness of the herb is not vital.
It seems its more important that the grinds are uniform.
That way all the pieces get used up evenly hopefully meaning you get even hits with each draw.

Also, after I've vaped 3/4 times, I put the herb in my palm and grind it to a coarse salt grain size with my finger and thumb.
The herb is put back in the LB so the remaining plant material can be vaped.

 

[l33t_tj]

Just placed my order for the PA. So excited

I've had my MFLB for over a year now and use it almost daily. Amazing product.

This has probably been asked, but whats the average wait time on getting one of the beta power adapters? Hoping it comes in the next week or so bc a certain holiday coming up...

 

[Stu]

I waited about a week for mine, but that was several months ago, so I'm not sure what the wait time is now.

 

[l33t_tj]

Hmm, I can't wait to try it out. My batteries have been getting worse and worse.

 

[trystlb]

new power adapters

 

[qwertypop1]

i would think a lot of the sticking to the lid has to do with herb not being water soluble in the first place. you know how grime and resin builds up in any other piece used with THC? think of it as that.

 

[gumball]

Been lurking for a minute. I just ordered my power adapter though. I just love my Launch Box, and I like it even more everyday. I think this will be a great addition and will allow for more community uses!!! Thanks for all the information posted before me, it is very valuable.

 

[zenmasterofzinfandel]

Hmm, I can't wait to try it out. My batteries have been getting worse and worse.

You should be getting a minimum of 500 charge cycles off the supplied batteries. If not then upgrade to a higher quality/performance charger like the Maha c9000 mentioned a dozen or so pages back in this thread. with that charger you can test for the current capacity of each cell and determine if you want to replace all or some of them.

 

[zenmasterofzinfandel]

So after recharging a few times:
the stock batteries (2400) &
these http://www.amazon.fr/Varta-56766-Ba...SBZW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1299103725&sr=8-2 (which after researching are powerex and sanyo relabeled)
& some identical 2100 varta
With both the stock charger and the RS-BC900 LA CROSSE (half the price of the C9000 BTW same features...):

2100: 1 half full trench (could still increase only 3 charges each)
2400 (stock batts):1,5 full trench or 3 half full trenches (could still increase only 3 charges each)
2700: 2 full trenches (could still increase only 3 charges each)

I can also feel a different impression of "heat delivery"..To me, the 2700 deliver more heat then the 2400 in the same pressing time & with the same draw...And again 2400 vs 2100...but this must only be an impression as this vape is supposed to reach a designed temp peak around 380F correct?

Using new cells, they should all provide the same level of heat (discharge current), if not then either the cells are underperforming or yours maybe damaged. More likely in a double blind test, you'll not find any difference.

Sanyo & powerex are not the same, so varta couldn't possibly be either. Sanyo = made in Japan, powerex by Maha = always made in China.

Going by this linked thread, it would appear that under load of 1A or more (I haven't seen any statement as to the current draws of the MFLB...anywhere in this thread???) the new LSD 2500ma Sanyo XX Eneloop currently not for sale in the USA, provide equal, if not more power than Sanyo 2700ma standard higher self-discharge NiMH AA. see graph "Discharge Energy (Wh) vs Discharge Current (A)" for details. Wh = watt/hours as opposed to more common amp/hrs, but they are related so still useful for comparison.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?298090-The-AA-NiMH-Performance-Test-Thread

Some, but not all Duracell LSD (pre-charged) AA appear to be relabeled 2000ma Sanyo Eneloops, as they are made in Japan, others made in China could be something else.

 

[pakalolo]

I think Magic Flight promote micro-hitting as well as a long draw method (pyromon's technique).

and

Essentially, some table top vapes (Volcano, SSV, DBV, HA) are supposed to give you big hits. Its possible thats because they can run on higher temps than the MFLB.

On the first point, those techniques were developed by posters in this thread and promoted through Vaporpedia and by posts in this thread by people who found them useful. Magic-Flight's only "promotion" of these techniques is through their usage FAQ, which I am pleased to say is based on the Vaporpedia section--not the other way round, as you insisted elsewhere.

On the second, I don't know about the SSV or DBV but the Volcano and the HA are both designed not to heat to the point of combustion. The MFLB can reach combustion, so it isn't correct to say the Volcano and HA reach higher temperatures. The whole point point of the methods you mention is to achieve hits as big as the units you mention by regulating temperature through breathing technique, so I'm not sure you understand the issue at all.

I haven't seen any statement as to the current draws of the MFLB...anywhere in this thread???

Yes, the details are way back in this thread, but now they are also in Vaporpedia. I can't believe I hadn't added this already:

Are the LB's power requirements trade secrets? Do batteries provide power in a manner that simply cannot be replicated?

Insofar as the power requirements of the Box can be calculated (assuming sufficient physics/math skills) or directly measured (assuming that someone is willing to go through a fair bit of setup effort), they are not regarded as "trade secrets", however there are a number of subtleties associated with powering the Box.

It is true that the batteries power the Box in a difficult to emulate manner. The basic demand load is about 0.75 volts with a current draw of about 15 amps. At about 12 watts, this is--by a huge margin--the lowest power consumption and most energy efficient commercial/practical vaporizer on the planet! The only way Magic-Flight was able to do any better was in the lab, with a custom (fully functional and optimized) vaporizer able to run on a mere 4 watts--without a doubt THE world record in that regard. (The details of this design, however, are a secret).

Based on information posted here by magicflight.

 

[FLskwat]

So after recharging a few times:
the stock batteries (2400) &
these http://www.amazon.fr/Varta-56766-Ba...SBZW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1299103725&sr=8-2 (which after researching are powerex and sanyo relabeled)
& some identical 2100 varta
With both the stock charger and the RS-BC900 LA CROSSE (half the price of the C9000 BTW same features...):

2100: 1 half full trench (could still increase only 3 charges each)
2400 (stock batts):1,5 full trench or 3 half full trenches (could still increase only 3 charges each)
2700: 2 full trenches (could still increase only 3 charges each)

I can also feel a different impression of "heat delivery"..To me, the 2700 deliver more heat then the 2400 in the same pressing time & with the same draw...And again 2400 vs 2100...but this must only be an impression as this vape is supposed to reach a designed temp peak around 380F correct?

Using new cells, they should all provide the same level of heat (discharge current), if not then either the cells are underperforming or yours maybe damaged. More likely in a double blind test, you'll not find any difference.

Sanyo & powerex are not the same, so varta couldn't possibly be either. Sanyo = made in Japan, powerex by Maha = always made in China.

Going by this linked thread, it would appear that under load of 1A or more (I haven't seen any statement as to the current draws of the MFLB...anywhere in this thread???) the new LSD 2500ma Sanyo XX Eneloop currently not for sale in the USA, provide equal, if not more power than Sanyo 2700ma standard higher self-discharge NiMH AA. see graph "Discharge Energy (Wh) vs Discharge Current (A)" for details. Wh = watt/hours as opposed to more common amp/hrs, but they are related so still useful for comparison.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?298090-The-AA-NiMH-Performance-Test-Thread

Some, but not all Duracell LSD (pre-charged) AA appear to be relabeled 2000ma Sanyo Eneloops, as they are made in Japan, others made in China could be something else.

You are 100% right on Varta not being relabeled, my bad... I did read that somewhere... (Varta to Sanyo).
On the second thing I'm not the only one on this thread feeling the heat increase created by a 2700 batt usage! And I still can feel it daily...

 

[Vapemania-original]

So after recharging a few times:
the stock batteries (2400) &
these http://www.amazon.fr/Varta-56766-Ba...SBZW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1299103725&sr=8-2 (which after researching are powerex and sanyo relabeled)
& some identical 2100 varta
With both the stock charger and the RS-BC900 LA CROSSE (half the price of the C9000 BTW same features...):

2100: 1 half full trench (could still increase only 3 charges each)
2400 (stock batts):1,5 full trench or 3 half full trenches (could still increase only 3 charges each)
2700: 2 full trenches (could still increase only 3 charges each)

I can also feel a different impression of "heat delivery"..To me, the 2700 deliver more heat then the 2400 in the same pressing time & with the same draw...And again 2400 vs 2100...but this must only be an impression as this vape is supposed to reach a designed temp peak around 380F correct?

Using new cells, they should all provide the same level of heat (discharge current), if not then either the cells are underperforming or yours maybe damaged. More likely in a double blind test, you'll not find any difference.

Sanyo & powerex are not the same, so varta couldn't possibly be either. Sanyo = made in Japan, powerex by Maha = always made in China.

Going by this linked thread, it would appear that under load of 1A or more (I haven't seen any statement as to the current draws of the MFLB...anywhere in this thread???) the new LSD 2500ma Sanyo XX Eneloop currently not for sale in the USA, provide equal, if not more power than Sanyo 2700ma standard higher self-discharge NiMH AA. see graph "Discharge Energy (Wh) vs Discharge Current (A)" for details. Wh = watt/hours as opposed to more common amp/hrs, but they are related so still useful for comparison.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?298090-The-AA-NiMH-Performance-Test-Thread

Some, but not all Duracell LSD (pre-charged) AA appear to be relabeled 2000ma Sanyo Eneloops, as they are made in Japan, others made in China could be something else.

Really good point, dude.
Got the original batteries with the MFLB. They're good but the LED light is much stronger with my own purchase of 2400 mAh batteries.

The stronger the LED light in the MFLB chamber, the better hit you're gonna get, in my experience.

 

[FLskwat]

The stronger the LED light in the MFLB chamber, the better hit you're gonna get, in my experience.

Hmmm exactly what I said:
2100 batts = LED less bright then 2400 batts LED. Less heat too.
2400 batts = LED less bright then 2700 batts LED. Less heat too.

 

[chloe]

Hi everyone,

So it has been about 3 months of using the Power adapter (pa) and here is my review finally Blame it on the effectiveness of the pamflb combo

apologies if the following is a bit incoherent and very long
I had 4 units to test. 2 were older (no light) and 2 with the light. With the older models the fit was very tight that I couldn't recommend it to very early models (since the pa is not inexpensive...which doesn't mean it isn't worth it) assuming they all fit that tight which I don't know. All I am saying is that with my 2 early models, the fit was too tight that I'd have to take a wrench to loosen it and to jam it in was painful...although I have never been known for my brawn . With that said, the pa is so worth it that even if i did have an old unit, the combo is so amazing that I'd just give the old one away and purchase the new one and pa (if finances allow), as the combo is a match made in heaven. Just wanted to get that out of the way since the rest of the review is based on the new models (with light) and the pa.

I was talking with my wife the other day how amazing the journey has been. We started smoking weed only a few years ago (since yes we were totally conditioned in the fear). I remember we started off with bongs in bed and when I singed my hair I knew it was time for change. After research I used the vapor cannon and wow was that ever a breakthrough...it was like discovering weed again for the first time...we absolutely loved the cannon and how much better than the bong it was. After some time with it we were looking into a portable solution to use in public and the iolite was the only real deal I was seeing and then came this thread...and the rest was history...a totally affordable simple solution that seems very durable say if i dropped it (works on AA) and a company that stands behind with a lifetime warranty?!? .... This was a nobrainer....it was love at first sight and I knew this was going to revolutionize everything...i came upon this thread and joined early in this thread's development (which now has become huge!) it became very apparent quickly that this wasn't your normal company....they actually seemed to care about their customers..and not in a pretend sort of way where they seem to want something from you....they seemed to really stand behind their message of love and so I was very drawn to such an amazing product mirrored by an even greater company....because of that I have always regularly checked back on this thread... It was hard to even think of improvements on the LB and the only thing I could think of at the time was a power adapter and a light and maybe the elastic band could be improved on... Anyways as I've said in other posts, this LB replaced my standalone and beloved cannon completely even though that wasn't the intent with the LB purchase. To go from reloading wands, cleaning them, stirring them, heat up time, bulkiness of the vapor cannon (which I will always cherish) to the simplicity of the LB (instant heat up, shaking the box like a salt shaker instead of stirring, its miniature footprint, no wires (all I need were a few good batteries)...oh the list goes on sometimes at how great this box is...and then now the PA....I am not exaggerating when I feel once again its a quantum leap in the greatness and simplicity of usage...I feel I can't even go back to batteries now (and I've rarely used any since owning the pa)....the joy from each draw to be solid like a fresh battery...almost brings a tear to my eye
so from a bong->cannon->lb->pamflb ...what an evolution in such a short span of time...each jump making the previous stage seem almost stone age...thats how I'd sum up how much I love this pa..it is an engineering marvel...my electrical engineer friend continues to say he can easily make one since its only a pa and the parts are cheap (he owns an LB too)...this was months ago and he hasn't produced anything yet..not through lack of effort

I said I was going to try other herbs at lower temps and report back, but I haven't yet since the green has been so good...but I have no doubt it would work really well as I see the range (judging by the light) is quite substantial.

I'll end this post with thoughts on improvement:
1) auto shutoff? I asked MF, about duration of leaving this thing on since I was curious about doing a power clean with the pa, and also group settings where the pa is continuously on in large settings...and the battery portion does seem to get hot after prolonged usage... I will paste their reply here:

You can leave the Power Adapter on safely for 2 minutes MAX. After
that it does get very hot. (Luckily it only takes 1 minute to cool down.)

I'm not sure if the unit will break after 2mins. but at the price I wasn't going to test that out even as we are in beta testing phase I use this in group settings often and so if there is possibility of malfunction, and no one will remember to wait 1min after 2mins of usage, an autoshutdown shown by led? may be helpful

2) after some time using it, I noticed it wasn't gettn' as hot (judged by how many hits it took to get high and the stream of vapor)...and it wasn't until I twisted the 'battery' portion of the pa that I noticed all of a sudden the vapor was hot...with the pa i stopped really looking at the light since the light was effective for battery usage in telling me how much juice was left in the battery....with the pa I assumed it was always gonna give me full power....i haven't played with the disc part yet and tightening it...maybe that has part to do with it....all i know is that now i look at the light once in awhile to ensure I have a solid connection, otherwise i just give it a twist and its all good...just something to note if you think your pa is losing juice...i was surprised at the led going from normal to a bright glow with a simply twist....so just make sure you have a good connection when you insert

3) the part that connects the cord to the battery....if there is a way to make that more secure since it seems to look like it may give sometimes especially if you have older models with the fit very tight. new models are fine.

4) the part where the cord detaches....(btw, car adapter highly recommended as well as a great add on...no more batteries in the car either) I would somehow make this more distinguishable since after a good vape session and at the end of the night when packing up...the 2 ends look identical (the thickness is often overlooked in that state )...and i've pulled on the wrong end a couple of times already...I wasn't sure how sensitive that was..but it still works after a couple of good accidental yankings

5) the dial, aesthetics, foot pads I'm sure in its own pace will evolve itself and to me not that important as the functionality which has surpassed all my expectations...the push button,detachable cord and dial are just genius simple things

6) being a wuss, and using this all day...I wouldn't be against a more gentler push button...you know when there is nothing left to improve on and you guys are bored

7) since I've read that the light in the lb is not led and will eventually die quicker than an led possibly..i wonder if it would be beneficial at all to have a dimming led on the pa somewhere to show how much juice is going through?

8) some engravings on the battery portion would be cool since when you hit it, the msg stares at ya in the face everytime....i can see some people (myself for one), that I'd pay quite a bit extra for custom engravings of say your fav. mantra on that battery portion.....it can be very motivational or inspiring esp. for those that use it on a daily basis...

9) last one...when you guys become ultra bored ...maybe a design that would allow an all in one case for the pa or even the lb box (i guess i take it to many places)...almost like a transformer where the dial region is the body of the caddy...(retractable wire maybe)....this of course is still thinking inside the box...this assumes you guys haven't found a way to be rid of wires permanently in that you've tapped into geothermal or some longer lasting power than the AA...then I guess that'll be the next quantum leap from the wired pa...and I know you guys definitely have the potential ..and so the journey continues!

Thanks MF, you've done it again and my best wishes to your crew and I look forward to the continued evolution of the LB and your company

 

[al bundy]

The stronger the LED light in the MFLB chamber, the better hit you're gonna get, in my experience.

Hmmm exactly what I said:
2100 batts = LED less bright then 2400 batts LED. Less heat too.
2400 batts = LED less bright then 2700 batts LED. Less heat too.

just got the 2700 powerex batteries.
if your not going to get the PA the Powerex 2700 is a sure way to go.

 

[Vapemania-original]

I think, Sylvia Plath used to vape.

I also like Ellen Degeneres. I think I'd want her to be my vaping partner any night.

So, now thats out the way.
Batteries.
They need to be good for optimum hits on the MFLB.

Unless the Power Adaptor is the only option, I'd like to know if anyone has a great battery brand which helps you reach the sweet spot.

 

[Lo]

Wow...really?? Battery brands are mentioned all over this thread. You might spend more time reading and less time posting until you learn the lay of the land dude...PLEASE??

 

[l33t_tj]

Hmm, I can't wait to try it out. My batteries have been getting worse and worse.

You should be getting a minimum of 500 charge cycles off the supplied batteries. If not then upgrade to a higher quality/performance charger like the Maha c9000 mentioned a dozen or so pages back in this thread. with that charger you can test for the current capacity of each cell and determine if you want to replace all or some of them.

Solid advice. I've got some powerex batteries, I believe 2700's, that I got about a year ago with a nicer charger. It doesn't have a lcd screen or anything too fancy, just two lights and a button used for activating the battery reconditioning cycle. The batteries have been serving me good, except the two original ones are dead. The powerex ones are not as strong as I remember.

I doubt I'll be using the batteries that much anymore soon. Got the notification email for my PA today!

I guess there isn't much of a waiting period currently.

 

[CutePanda]

The PA is the bomb. The MFLB with stock batteries=weak. I have the 2700's with charger, but don't need either.

 

[WatTyler]

Hi all, lots of folk are snobby about chinese glass, maybe with good reason, but I have found a perfect cheap piece to accompany my MFLB. $3.50 delivered . The tiny size is perfect for the kind of slow and sensitive draw that you need with the MFLB- for me it's better than my larger bubbler- i think it's the tiny diameter downstem. I like it. Build quality isn't great- don't drop it! Quite thin glass, but just buy two, or three I believe that they're made to hold ciggies, although I wouldn't have fancied that, even when I smoked...

Here's some pics, apologies for the quality.....

Tubing is just 2 different sizes of silicone.

You can get them for the bargain price of $3.50 delivered from;

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/colorless-transparent-glass-shisha-water-pipe-52837

Although don't expect quick delivery from these guys- could take a few weeks.

Lemme know what you think.....

EDIT; better pics.

 

[bennjammin]

Received mine today! A lot smaller than I expected, don't have any herb to try it with yet so can't really test it.

I noticed the draw tube is loose when it's inserted and can just fall out if I tip it down, does anyone else have this?