The Magic-Flight Box

[Pappy]

good deal???

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sanyo-ENELOOP-R...856?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5add2b6f10

Always go to Amazon first.
http://www.amazon.com/Sanyo-Eneloop...0REA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1290198748&sr=8-4

 

[chucku]

good deal???

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sanyo-ENELOOP-R...856?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5add2b6f10

Say no to fast chargers. Eneloops while a good battery are a loose fit. If you order from Thomas Distributing today, expect delivery next Monday.

 

[SmokingElectricity]

nvm

 

[delta 9]

hi , i would like to know if there is any way to increase airflow in the lb , i felt that it was restrictive to draw on and have tryed hiting it with the cover slightly open have gotten a much better hit. i have the launch box about 8 months but have not used it that much as i was giving up smoking for health reasons and to have a break from the weed. i read here before someone saying they had same problem and sanded some part to increase airflow .

 

[pakalolo]

hi , i would like to know if there is any way to increase airflow in the lb , i felt that it was restrictive to draw on and have tryed hiting it with the cover slightly open have gotten a much better hit. i have the launch box about 8 months but have not used it that much as i was giving up smoking for health reasons and to have a break from the weed. i read here before someone saying they had same problem and sanded some part to increase airflow .

Despite its simple appearance, the LB is carefully designed to deliver its best performance with the cover closed. If that wasn't working for you, you were probably drawing much too hard. That would explain why you felt you got better performance with the cover partly open. A fast draw cools the LB down and prevents it from vapourizing effectively.

Before you start trying to modify your LB, I suggest you try keeping the cover closed and reducing your draw considerably. In fact, one of the most effective methods doesn't draw through the LB at all:

I have now perfected my LaunchBox technique. I am now getting crazy thick hits like I get with my zap and my surfer.
1. Grind up herb as fine as possible with grinder.
2. Load trench so it is filled slightly higher than the top of the trench
3. Insert Battery and exhale fully
4. Place your mouth on the box without the stem being careful not to have your tongue or teeth in the vapor path.
5. Breathe in through your NOSE slowly like you are taking a normal breath.
6. Breathe in until your lungs feel full or you start choking on the vapor.
7. Hold breath.
8. Breathe vapor out through your nose
9. After my first 2 hits are cleared I remove the herb from the trench and grind it between my finger tips almost to a powder consistency.

Be warned that this method can give you some heavy hits that are easily misjudged, so that you don't stop until it's too late and you wind up coughing.

Also, read the Usage & Techniques section in the Vaporpedia entry, particularly this section and the couple following it:

http://www.vaporpedia.com/wiki/Magi...he_recommended_technique_for_using_the_Box.3F

Proper technique makes a big difference. Good vaping, and let us know how it works out.

 

[Stu]

I'm not sure that I understand this technique. On which step do you breathe in an vapor? By breathing in through the nose, is there some type of vacuum effect that releases vapor in through the mouth?

 

[hemp;)goofy8cheerio]

it kinda allows a soft draw that keeps mflb @ hi temp

 

[Stu]

So it's like a "draft" effect of inhaling? (to use the nascar term) I'm trying, but i'm must be doing something wrong because I can't seem to get it. Probably user error on my part.

 

[pakalolo]

So it's like a "draft" effect of inhaling? (to use the nascar term) I'm trying, but i'm must be doing something wrong because I can't seem to get it. Probably user error on my part.

I couldn't see it working either until I tried it. Yes, it is a kind of vacuum effect, just enough to move the vapour. That's why the hits are thick and strong. Again, be careful. I misjudged it and wound up with a horrible coughing fit.

 

[Stu]

I cough after most hits anyway, (bronchitis, dammit!!). I'll try it some more to see if I can figure it out. No harm in experimenting, right??

These Powerex 2700s have me experimenting a lot the last few days!! I can't believe how much more juice they provide. I just ordered a 16 pack to give out as stocking stuffers

 

[Vaporgin.]

holy shit, a quality product, quality substance, and two rips with that nose breathing method have me soaring. I recommend people trying it. The vapor that rises out of my box makes be think im combusting.

 

[pakalolo]

I cough after most hits anyway, (bronchitis, dammit!!). I'll try it some more to see if I can figure it out. No harm in experimenting, right??

These Powerex 2700s have me experimenting a lot the last few days!! I can't believe how much more juice they provide. I just ordered a 16 pack to give out as stocking stuffers

If it's not working for you, what happens?

The Powerex 2700s are my favourites as well. It doesn't matter to me that they are HSD because they never stay unused long enough to lose their charge. I keep the stock Imedions charged up as backups. Since they're LSD, they're great for that.

 

[slain]

wow tried out the draw method posted above wow you really get pretty milky exhales esp on a fresh powerex 2700 wowzors

 

[SmokingElectricity]

wow tried out the draw method posted above wow you really get pretty milky exhales esp on a fresh powerex 2700 wowzors

co-sign this. i just got my LB yesterday, just tried the above method...

 

[clayton]

As for efficiency, if you look at a few other threads you'll see that most users rank it among the best. I use about .1g in a trench and I will get 25-30 good hits from it. (I've counted several times to be sure about this.) I don't know what the VG can do but I would be really surprised if it came even close.

You definitely are going to have to elaborate on that, unless you are taking micro hits from the same single battery connection?

No, these aren't microhits. I used to estimate 15-20 per trench, then one day I decided to count. There are so many threads here about efficiency that I wanted to know for sure. I was surprised by the number, but I counted 8 or 9 trenches with the same result. (My notes are back in Canada so I'm not sure.) I consistently got 25-30 hits before the taste was no longer tolerable. The load comes out medium golden brown, so not entirely cashed, which I verified by taking it to my Extreme and hitting it at 240C. It still had multiple hits in it but the grind is so fine some it falls through the Extreme screen. I won't be doing that again. It tastes lousy and I was just trying to prove a point.

The grind is fine and I always dump it and finger-crumble after two or three hits. At this point it is really fine. I hit native by making battery contact, looking for vapour in the hole (usually 3-4 seconds) then drawing for about 10 seconds. I get visible vapour if I exhale, which I try not to do.

Let me emphasize that this is with my stash, my grind, and my drawing technique. These are important variables and what works for me might not work for you.

I get at least 20 hits from about 0.05, (yeah, I counted a bunch of times). The key is a really fine grind. My hits last for about 10 seconds on average.

On the the other hand, you can see I am not alone. My trenches are about .1g.

I didn't mean anything by it. I just thought wow, so many hits from that. I get maybe 3 or 4(then it tastes gross) but I drag very slowly until my entire lungs are filled. I'll try your technique tomorrow and see how well it works . The only thing that concerns me is on the mflb vaperpedia it says the most efficient way for your body to absorb the THC is through the lower lungs. I'm going to assume after you take your 10 second hit you inhale more. I guess i'll just have to experiment


vaporpedia link
http://vaporpedia.com/wiki/Magic-Fl..._in_longer_and_be_more_completely_absorbed.3F

 

[slain]

I've also attached an old whip tube to the stem ( roughly 20 inches). Taking the slow draw pause slow draw pause allows for big milky hits the vapor also cools a bit as it travels the length of the tubing. I find it much tastier and easier on my lungs.

 

[delta 9]

pakalolo wrote
Despite its simple appearance, the LB is carefully designed to deliver its best performance with the cover closed. If that wasn't working for you, you were probably drawing much too hard. That would explain why you felt you got better performance with the cover partly open. A fast draw cools the LB down and prevents it from vapourizing effectively.

Before you start trying to modify your LB, I suggest you try keeping the cover closed and reducing your draw considerably. In fact, one of the most effective methods doesn't draw through the LB at all:

Hi thanks for the reply , i have used the box a bit and know that faster draw will cool it down(and stop vaporizing) and with the lid slightly open you can draw even quicker , i find that the restrictive draw with the lid fully closed gives me chest pain and with the lid slightly open i dont get that , the box does work with the lid closed , i would just like it to have more airflow , i know that would make it easier to draw too quickly and stop vapor production but having used it with lid open about 1 mm i am getting a much better result for me and no chest pain.

 

[derp]

I have now perfected my LaunchBox technique. I am now getting crazy thick hits like I get with my zap and my surfer.
1. Grind up herb as fine as possible with grinder.
2. Load trench so it is filled slightly higher than the top of the trench
3. Insert Battery and exhale fully
4. Place your mouth on the box without the stem being careful not to have your tongue or teeth in the vapor path.
5. Breathe in through your NOSE slowly like you are taking a normal breath.
6. Breathe in until your lungs feel full or you start choking on the vapor.
7. Hold breath.
8. Breathe vapor out through your nose
9. After my first 2 hits are cleared I remove the herb from the trench and grind it between my finger tips almost to a powder consistency.

I just tried this out of curiosity, but seems like I combusted it a little (probably because the load was already half spent and I used an almost full Eneloop....) So be careful!

I can see how this can work with weaker batteries or a cooler running box. I'll keep experimenting with it. Seems like the nose breathing in draws a bit from the box, at a very slow speed, hence the super-milky hits possible.

 

[TwztedVaper]

I just tried it with some stock batts and I think I got some big hits too, gonna keep trying this method coz it seems better.

 

[pakalolo]

I didn't mean anything by it. I just thought wow, so many hits from that. I get maybe 3 or 4(then it tastes gross) but I drag very slowly until my entire lungs are filled. I'll try your technique tomorrow and see how well it works . The only thing that concerns me is on the mflb vaperpedia it says the most efficient way for your body to absorb the THC is through the lower lungs. I'm going to assume after you take your 10 second hit you inhale more. I guess i'll just have to experiment

Don't worry clayton, I didn't think you meant anything by it.

People often don't take into account that the variables from user to user can be large, and perhaps the most variable of all is personal taste. What tastes gross to you might be acceptable to me. Lots of people love spinach but the slightest taste of it makes me gag.

I also want to point out that the technique isn't mine, it's pyronym's. I rarely use it myself because I don't like thick heavy hits. Having said that, I know what the Vaporpedia entry says because I compiled it. The part you refer to is the wisdom of magicflight, and yes, I do inhale clean air after a hit to draw the vapour deeper. A lot of other people here practice this as well. Exhaling through the nose is also good practice.

Now that I think about it, I've been negligent by not adding pyronym's technique to the Usage section. I'll do that shortly.

Hi thanks for the reply , i have used the box a bit and know that faster draw will cool it down(and stop vaporizing) and with the lid slightly open you can draw even quicker , i find that the restrictive draw with the lid fully closed gives me chest pain and with the lid slightly open i dont get that , the box does work with the lid closed , i would just like it to have more airflow , i know that would make it easier to draw too quickly and stop vapor production but having used it with lid open about 1 mm i am getting a much better result for me and no chest pain.

Wow, sorry to hear about the chest pain. I'm not sure I understand why you feel the airflow is restricted. The LB performs better with lighter draws, not heavier. pyronym's technique doesn't require drawing at all. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding. Is the chest pain caused by the effort required to draw or the kind of vapour you're getting, i.e. is it too hot or harsh?

I still recommend you experiment before you modify the LB. If you still decide you have to open up the cover, I suggest you drill a carburetor hole in the cover so you can control it with a finger, but I really believe you can find a way to get satisfaction without any modification.

 

[Progress]

Delta 9,

I agree that increasing the airflow may cause you to cool the box too much via too much airflow.

You may want to try not making as tight of a seal with your lips and drawing some fresh air in with the vapor (in order to increase airflow without decreasing the temperature too much).

IMO, the box is unmatched in many ways (instant on/off, size, price, warranty, etc.), but is also extremely manual (which requires becoming familiar with it and controlling the factors to have it perform optimally, as well as teaching others to do the same).

As long as you are willing/able to perfect your technique, the box can meet any temperature/vapor-density preferences, is extremely liberating, and is highly recommended by me.

Be well all (and toke it easy).

 

[MM..Food]

Just wondering but does anyone have any special setups for their mflb?

 

[VirtualRealist]

This nose-breathing technique is fantastic. Thanks for the post, pyro!

 

[pakalolo]

I've added pyromon's technique, along with information from other users, to the Vaporpedia entry here:

http://www.vaporpedia.com/wiki/Magi...F_Does_it_really_deliver_thick_cloudy_hits.3F

This thing is getting really long, and I would be interested in feedback about breaking it into separate entries for each section. Pro: shorter, less intimidating entries. Con: someone looking for an answer might not find it on the base MFLB entry page.

Comments?

 

[vape4health]

I see someone liked my chap stick lid idea , the vaporpedia link says the box comes with 2 batt cap now .

Are they still selling the exact same box as when they first started putting a light in them ? Im reading thru the post but man thats alot of pages .