2clicker
Observer
doesnt tetralabs use d-limonen in their pure gold?
Discontinued The Liquidizer Herb2Vapor System - Safety Butane Extractor & Mini-vaporizer
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doesnt tetralabs use d-limonen in their pure gold?
tepictoton
Well-Known Member
using d-limonen has been mentioned in some threads in the concentrate forum.
I myself have experimented with it once, adding just a drop to my dish after spraying, and it completely overwhelmed any flavor present. I normally like lemon flavor, but i soon learned i did not like it in my concentrates.
Maybe the d-limonen concentrated to in my end result? I literally only used one drop...I ended up reheating the concentrate to a much higher temp to get the lemon flavor back out...
Maybe if one could fine-tune it, meaning could find the right point during extraction to add it and the right dosage...
tetralabs mentions 5%...
I myself have experimented with it once, adding just a drop to my dish after spraying, and it completely overwhelmed any flavor present. I normally like lemon flavor, but i soon learned i did not like it in my concentrates.
Maybe the d-limonen concentrated to in my end result? I literally only used one drop...I ended up reheating the concentrate to a much higher temp to get the lemon flavor back out...
Maybe if one could fine-tune it, meaning could find the right point during extraction to add it and the right dosage...tetralabs mentions 5%...
OF
Well-Known Member
As was just said, it's widely held that Tetra Labs adds a small amount (quoted in the 3 to 5% range) to their Pure Gold extract. It's not a part of extraction (or so they claim) but added specifically to give some flavor to what would otherwise be pretty bland stuff (they claim to end up with basically the same product no matter what the source, everything else gets stripped out).
Some have reported using it as the extracting solvent. At one point there was a thread on the Forum about it, bit I can't say where.
OF
bleepblorpbloop
New Member
I have come to enjoy a blend about 30-40% oil and 60-70% EJMix/nic-free flavorings (50/50 mix of ejmix and flavorings). I use my QWISO oil most times, unless there happens to be Pure Gold in town...which is only once every month or so...but QWISO works great in my opinion anyways. I've noticed the flavor really goes downhill quickly with the QWISO mixtures i've made compared to the Pure Gold or BHO mixtures which maintain a good flavor through a whole cartridge. Other than that, it medicates just as well. If flavor is important (which it mildly is to me) add flavorings (like I do, just not more flavoring than EJMix...an equal amount of both will work perfectly).
Anyways...I use this blend in my Protank and my EVOD BCC tank systems, they work perfectly with the EJMix. Basically, I imagine any decent quality bottom coil tank will work well.
More people should know about this stuff. I've tried to get local vendors to contact Liquidizer about stocking their product, but everytime I go back in they've forgotten. HOW can a business with the right demographic already coming through their doors ignore such a self-selling product?
Anyways, thought I'd share the evolution of how I've come to use my EJMix. Hope it helps. PEACE
Anyways...I use this blend in my Protank and my EVOD BCC tank systems, they work perfectly with the EJMix. Basically, I imagine any decent quality bottom coil tank will work well.
More people should know about this stuff. I've tried to get local vendors to contact Liquidizer about stocking their product, but everytime I go back in they've forgotten. HOW can a business with the right demographic already coming through their doors ignore such a self-selling product?
Anyways, thought I'd share the evolution of how I've come to use my EJMix. Hope it helps. PEACE
Thank you everyone for the feedback, it does make sense that if they use d-limonen the concentration is very low. We've had several customers report great success with EJmix and Pure Gold, and we've been wondering how they achieve flavor in such a hyper-refined product.
We've generally found that beyond wax filtration, further chemical refinement yields diminishing returns. Whether using silica column filtration to separate the extract into it's component layers or rearranging molecules through isomerization using acids and bases, there are many methods for achieving chemical purity but invariably you lose the "soul" of the herb in the process. As mentioned above:
So although we commend the technical expertise involved, it's also a bit of a shame that the gorgeous flavors and aromas the distinguish different herbs and strains of herbs are lost. I mean, so much work goes into the breeding, cultivation and expert curing of prized flowers, that it is a pity to lose all of that craft.
If liquors were judged on chemical purity alone, then Everclear should be the most popular drink of choice. Obviously that is not the case, flavor is an enormous component of the herbal experience which is why it is cognacs, scotch, agave tequilas and other artisanal spirits that are most highly prized.
For the record however, if you'd like to achieve a highly pure yet bland/odorless extract with the Liquidizer, the secret is to increase toasting time to 40 minutes plus. This more thoroughly purges the terpenes, greatly eliminating aromas and flavors too unfortunately (aroma and flavor being interlinked). After extraction winterize to filter way waxes. The result is a dark smokey blend that deceptively tastes like nothing at all, but packs a hard punch.
Don't be afraid of dark extracts. There exists a superficial standard that extracts must be amber/blond to be considered of high quality, but that is comparable to saying only light colored beers are any good.
We truly encourage everyone to experiment with toasting their herbs at low heat before extraction to experience the smoother, richer and more complex flavors that emerge. Vanilla, cacao, coffee, peanuts, onions and garlic are a short list of herbs/plants that are greatly improved through toasting/roasting. Don't knock it till you try it.
We've generally found that beyond wax filtration, further chemical refinement yields diminishing returns. Whether using silica column filtration to separate the extract into it's component layers or rearranging molecules through isomerization using acids and bases, there are many methods for achieving chemical purity but invariably you lose the "soul" of the herb in the process. As mentioned above:
So although we commend the technical expertise involved, it's also a bit of a shame that the gorgeous flavors and aromas the distinguish different herbs and strains of herbs are lost. I mean, so much work goes into the breeding, cultivation and expert curing of prized flowers, that it is a pity to lose all of that craft.
If liquors were judged on chemical purity alone, then Everclear should be the most popular drink of choice. Obviously that is not the case, flavor is an enormous component of the herbal experience which is why it is cognacs, scotch, agave tequilas and other artisanal spirits that are most highly prized.
For the record however, if you'd like to achieve a highly pure yet bland/odorless extract with the Liquidizer, the secret is to increase toasting time to 40 minutes plus. This more thoroughly purges the terpenes, greatly eliminating aromas and flavors too unfortunately (aroma and flavor being interlinked). After extraction winterize to filter way waxes. The result is a dark smokey blend that deceptively tastes like nothing at all, but packs a hard punch.
Don't be afraid of dark extracts. There exists a superficial standard that extracts must be amber/blond to be considered of high quality, but that is comparable to saying only light colored beers are any good.
We truly encourage everyone to experiment with toasting their herbs at low heat before extraction to experience the smoother, richer and more complex flavors that emerge. Vanilla, cacao, coffee, peanuts, onions and garlic are a short list of herbs/plants that are greatly improved through toasting/roasting. Don't knock it till you try it.
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OF
Well-Known Member
This would, I think, be true in Tetra Labs was starting with top shelf bud. In fact (at least as I understand it) exactly the opposite is the case. They start out with extract from low grade herb ('trim' and substandard buds). As I understand they don't deal with herb at all, they simply purify extracts given them. Half or so of the mass is stripped out.
The liquor analogy is perhaps a good one, but not in the way you're going? It's true many liquors are distilled a few times to low proof so that the still won't strip too much of the character out. Grain Neutral Spirits being the exceptions (Vodkah, Gin, bases for cordials and so on) where higher refinements are used to go for purity (so more subtle flavors can be added in in general). Well and good.
However, I think PG is more like making Brandy. Or Whiskey. Where you brew wine (in the case of Brandy) or 'brewer's beer' (in the case of Whiskey) that's just too foul to drink. Much like the 'junk grade extracts' TL starts with. The majority of the 'character' is then distilled out and post distilling aging in charred casks used to 'clean up' and flavor the final product, much as the d-limonen in PG?
Anyway, it seems that small levels of d-limonen is well accepted at least by some.
Fun stuff at any rate.
OF
PeteSeattle
Well-Known Member
Some of the natural turpines in flowers happen to be d-limenon. That's that hint of lemon/citrus in some of the flowers. Any added effects? While reading threads some seem to think it enhances the effects from flowers. I can't tell ya. Kinda like eating a mango thing before you vape ...
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
I've been partaking for forty years or so, and I partake for the effect, not for the flavor. If there were only flavor, and no effect, I wouldn't partake. However, I can't remember a single time, in all these years, that the different flavors and aromas weren't appreciated and discussed. Not one.
Which leads me to point out that something else missing from Pure Gold (or any super refined extract) is variety of effect. PG has the same effect every time. I happen to like that effect, but still... So while we've been talking about the loss of flavor and aroma, we've sort of passed over the loss of variety of effect. The same way I chose an herb (indica or sativa or a blend or a specific variety) for the effect I want, I also want to chose a concentrate for its effect.
After years of trying to find the best way to travel with our beloved herb, I finally settled on Pure Gold, in a small clearomizer, with a small Vision Spinner variable voltage (eGo style) battery. It is totally an e-cigarette except it happens to have thc instead of nicotine... I have shown and discussed it with agents when entering (and leaving) a new country with no problems. It has zero odor that can be identified, and since I'm also trying to quit cigarettes, I have a little bottle of e-juice and the other accoutrements that accompany a "normal" e-cig.
But I pay a big price; there's no real joy of the experience anymore, just the joy of the effect.
When I'm home, it's no problem. I have what I like in most of the stages between herb and super refined concentrate (hash, kief, bubble/ice, wax/shatter). Though expensive, there is really no herb I can't get at home, same as when I'm in LA or Amsterdam. Bringing different dispensary waxes/shatters/whatevers back from Cali is relatively easy, and the variety of flavors and effects is spectacular. If it weren't for this variety, I'd probably be sick of Pure Gold, and I expect my tolerance would be much much higher.
Yet even with all that variety of concentrates, I still prefer vaping herb to any concentrate. It's just a richer experience for me. Much as I'd prefer drinking scotch or cognac to everclear, if I drank.
I'd love to be making my concentrates with a Liquidizer (the product), but as I said a bunch of messages ago, living in a small city apartment doesn't make for safe butane extractions. I'm envious of those of you who can, and I'm enjoying sharing your experience vicariously. By doing it yourself, you can decide just how far you want to go on the path between herb at one end (with its infinite variety of flavors and aromas and effects), and super refined (but mostly tasteless and aroma-less) at the other end.
I'd also like to thank Liquidizer (the person who chats with us here) for sharing all the information and insights; I'm happy you like to hang out here.
my
Which leads me to point out that something else missing from Pure Gold (or any super refined extract) is variety of effect. PG has the same effect every time. I happen to like that effect, but still... So while we've been talking about the loss of flavor and aroma, we've sort of passed over the loss of variety of effect. The same way I chose an herb (indica or sativa or a blend or a specific variety) for the effect I want, I also want to chose a concentrate for its effect.
After years of trying to find the best way to travel with our beloved herb, I finally settled on Pure Gold, in a small clearomizer, with a small Vision Spinner variable voltage (eGo style) battery. It is totally an e-cigarette except it happens to have thc instead of nicotine... I have shown and discussed it with agents when entering (and leaving) a new country with no problems. It has zero odor that can be identified, and since I'm also trying to quit cigarettes, I have a little bottle of e-juice and the other accoutrements that accompany a "normal" e-cig.
But I pay a big price; there's no real joy of the experience anymore, just the joy of the effect.
When I'm home, it's no problem. I have what I like in most of the stages between herb and super refined concentrate (hash, kief, bubble/ice, wax/shatter). Though expensive, there is really no herb I can't get at home, same as when I'm in LA or Amsterdam. Bringing different dispensary waxes/shatters/whatevers back from Cali is relatively easy, and the variety of flavors and effects is spectacular. If it weren't for this variety, I'd probably be sick of Pure Gold, and I expect my tolerance would be much much higher.
Yet even with all that variety of concentrates, I still prefer vaping herb to any concentrate. It's just a richer experience for me. Much as I'd prefer drinking scotch or cognac to everclear, if I drank.
I'd love to be making my concentrates with a Liquidizer (the product), but as I said a bunch of messages ago, living in a small city apartment doesn't make for safe butane extractions. I'm envious of those of you who can, and I'm enjoying sharing your experience vicariously. By doing it yourself, you can decide just how far you want to go on the path between herb at one end (with its infinite variety of flavors and aromas and effects), and super refined (but mostly tasteless and aroma-less) at the other end.
I'd also like to thank Liquidizer (the person who chats with us here) for sharing all the information and insights; I'm happy you like to hang out here.
my
walrus
Well-Known Member
I've been partaking for forty years or so, and I partake for the effect, not for the flavor. If there were only flavor, and no effect, I wouldn't partake. However, I can't remember a single time, in all these years, that the different flavors and aromas weren't appreciated and discussed. Not one.
Which leads me to point out that something else missing from Pure Gold (or any super refined extract) is variety of effect. PG has the same effect every time. I happen to like that effect, but still... So while we've been talking about the loss of flavor and aroma, we've sort of passed over the loss of variety of effect. The same way I chose an herb (indica or sativa or a blend or a specific variety) for the effect I want, I also want to chose a concentrate for its effect.
After years of trying to find the best way to travel with our beloved herb, I finally settled on Pure Gold, in a small clearomizer, with a small Vision Spinner variable voltage (eGo style) battery. It is totally an e-cigarette except it happens to have thc instead of nicotine... I have shown and discussed it with agents when entering (and leaving) a new country with no problems. It has zero odor that can be identified, and since I'm also trying to quit cigarettes, I have a little bottle of e-juice and the other accoutrements that accompany a "normal" e-cig.
But I pay a big price; there's no real joy of the experience anymore, just the joy of the effect.
When I'm home, it's no problem. I have what I like in most of the stages between herb and super refined concentrate (hash, kief, bubble/ice, wax/shatter). Though expensive, there is really no herb I can't get at home, same as when I'm in LA or Amsterdam. Bringing different dispensary waxes/shatters/whatevers back from Cali is relatively easy, and the variety of flavors and effects is spectacular. If it weren't for this variety, I'd probably be sick of Pure Gold, and I expect my tolerance would be much much higher.
Yet even with all that variety of concentrates, I still prefer vaping herb to any concentrate. It's just a richer experience for me. Much as I'd prefer drinking scotch or cognac to everclear, if I drank.
I'd love to be making my concentrates with a Liquidizer (the product), but as I said a bunch of messages ago, living in a small city apartment doesn't make for safe butane extractions. I'm envious of those of you who can, and I'm enjoying sharing your experience vicariously. By doing it yourself, you can decide just how far you want to go on the path between herb at one end (with its infinite variety of flavors and aromas and effects), and super refined (but mostly tasteless and aroma-less) at the other end.
I'd also like to thank Liquidizer (the person who chats with us here) for sharing all the information and insights; I'm happy you like to hang out here.
my
You don't need to do your own extractions to liquidize though. Get some EJmix and you can liquidize any of those dispensary concentrates you have access to. They can then be vaped with the same device you use for Pure Gold.
Vapodudule
Well-Known Member
One of my big though was about letting herb sittings on a real liquid butane. Usually made in a proper tank and valves and all.
Do you think we really miss something not to do it? When the butane go throught the material like in the Liquidizer set up, it doesn't sit for too long.
To report on the product, the dissolution of wax in EJmix is a stealth and strenght adjustable device of medicating. it was too less concentrate to have any noticeable flavor, ill try other stuff.
Do you think we really miss something not to do it? When the butane go throught the material like in the Liquidizer set up, it doesn't sit for too long.
To report on the product, the dissolution of wax in EJmix is a stealth and strenght adjustable device of medicating. it was too less concentrate to have any noticeable flavor, ill try other stuff.
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
True, and I've done exactly that, as an experiment, though I used some USP Propylene Glycol to dissolve/suspend it. I didn't have any EJmix. It works well, but the problem is that all that wonderful flavor and aroma is present in the mix. Being able to vape it anywhere, and being able to allow a customs or immigration agent and their dog to smell it, is paramount.
Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Wait so if I get wax and put in EJmix, I can use in a regular ecig like the vip2? It won't smell like the sour diesel I am using in the bottom atomizer now with no top on the vip2. That would solve some issues I think.
Haywood since you travel so much do you just bring an ecig with what you said above or do you make candy and stuff as well?
Haywood since you travel so much do you just bring an ecig with what you said above or do you make candy and stuff as well?
walrus
Well-Known Member
Yes you can mix your wax and EJmix for use in a regular ecig. Don't know anything about the VIP 2, but some ecigs will work better than others. I like bottom coil tank type ones with cheap replaceable heating elements (protank, evod) because when the wick and coil eventually get gunked up, I can just toss them and start with a fresh one without needing a whole new tank or cartridge.
Can't promise no smell but the smell is significantly reduced from the straight concentrate IME. The more you dilute it the less it smells. I like to keep mine pretty strong so I can take 2 or 3 rips and be all set. At that strength there is noticeable odor but its no where near that of a dab or a hit of flower. The vapor and odor dissipate very quickly, you can walk in to the room a minute or two after and not notice a thing.
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
I don't care much for the effect when ingested rather than inhaled, so I haven't "eaten" any thc in a couple of decades. I just bring my e-cig rig. Wax dissolved/suspended in Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, or even better, EJmix works just fine. And yes, you can then load that into an e-cig and it will do what you want, with less smell (and flavor) than if you just vaped the wax directly.
If you're interested in investigating this, I suggest you check out the thread I started a while ago in the concentrates forum here. It goes into some detail about which e-cig rig works "best" with Pure Gold (and other super refined concentrates). Lots of pictures. A Sapphire bottom coil clearomizer is my recommendation, and at $3 each, I don't bother with rebuildables, though I have one I use at home, mostly for the fun of it.
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2clicker
Observer
yes. the ejmix basically turns your concentrates into eliquid for use in most ecigs.
regarding odor... diluting concentrates will def help with that, but getting it odor-free is done with the short low temp baking of the starting material before extraction. all detailed in the Liquidizer manual. works very well.
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
Most of the proper "mixing" info is actually in this thread. 
The other thread is about how to best use your mix once you've made it. After much experimenting using Pure Gold, I settled on not mixing it at all, but that won't be the case for you, since you will have to mix your wax to turn it into a liquid. Not all clearos will wick the thick Pure Gold, which is why I recommended the Sapphire clearo (since it works so well with a very thick mix). Note that pure VG (Vegetable Glycerin) is very thick stuff, and most e-juices are mostly PG, not mostly VG. Liquidizer makes a very nice "base" for use in turning your concentrate into a suitable "thc-juice"; they are really selling a complete system, but you can pick and chose which parts are of interest to you. Even if you don't use their butane extraction system (because you already have concentrate), you can still take advantage of the other parts of their system. If you haven't already, I would recommend you go to the Liquidizer site to check things out, and read their manual, which among many other gems has their instructions on how to mix extract and use it in a "e-cig" rig. I have my own thoughts about that, but they're not for here, they're for the Concentrates forum.
Spend an evening reading the Concentrates forum for way more info than you want to absorb at once.
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The other thread is about how to best use your mix once you've made it. After much experimenting using Pure Gold, I settled on not mixing it at all, but that won't be the case for you, since you will have to mix your wax to turn it into a liquid. Not all clearos will wick the thick Pure Gold, which is why I recommended the Sapphire clearo (since it works so well with a very thick mix). Note that pure VG (Vegetable Glycerin) is very thick stuff, and most e-juices are mostly PG, not mostly VG. Liquidizer makes a very nice "base" for use in turning your concentrate into a suitable "thc-juice"; they are really selling a complete system, but you can pick and chose which parts are of interest to you. Even if you don't use their butane extraction system (because you already have concentrate), you can still take advantage of the other parts of their system. If you haven't already, I would recommend you go to the Liquidizer site to check things out, and read their manual, which among many other gems has their instructions on how to mix extract and use it in a "e-cig" rig. I have my own thoughts about that, but they're not for here, they're for the Concentrates forum.
Spend an evening reading the Concentrates forum for way more info than you want to absorb at once.
(That's three smiley faces in one message)
Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Tis what I am doing reading now, thanks guys. I have liquid which is infused sativa but it doesn't medicate me which is my issue with this stuff. It is almost in my head like watering something down so you will need so much to get even a small medication. I enjoy vaping my vip2 with the liquid but that is all it is fun. I took the top off to dab as that medicates.
I downloaded and read the liquidizer manual a while back but I will go get the current version as I know they said earlier in this thread that they would update it now and again.
I downloaded and read the liquidizer manual a while back but I will go get the current version as I know they said earlier in this thread that they would update it now and again.
Thank you for asking, we've had forum members point us toward devices similar to what you describe, tank like containers for soaking herbs in liquid butane. Increasing the amount of time your herb is in contact with the butane will increase the gross yield, but more extract is not the same as good extract. The greater yield comes at the cost of greater impurities.
When people describe techniques for making alcohol wash extracts, "quick" is a term frequently used because it is hazardous to get greedy and soak your herb for too long in the pursuit of extra oil. What you end up with is a lot of garbage.
When it comes to butane, the quick extraction time of the Liquidizer allows you to achieve unrivaled quality in your extracts. Your first canister yields "Grade A" oil that it truly boutique level in favor and purity. Your second canister yields "Grade B" oil, decent but not outstanding. Your third canister yields "Grade C" oil, useful for capsules and edibles.
The Liquidizer allows for a subtle technique however, that we may introduce in the third edition of our instructions. It consists of slowing the escape of butane from the canister. You see once the butane canister is snug in place, the Liquidizer is outdoors and everything is ready, a half squeeze of the handle is enough for a full release of butane. If however, you squeeze very slowly and gently, you can hear a low volume hiss of escaping butane. The valve of the canister nozzle is only partially open. This results in a slower flow of butane.
You can estimate the flow rate by the volume of the hiss. Half the normal volume is what we would suggest as a starting point, it's difficult to be precise but precision isn't necessary. This low rate of flow will cause your extraction times to take longer, it takes a while for the canister to empty. This process increases the amount of time your herb is in contact with the butane. Similar to a coffee maker, the butane will exit the end of the tube in more of a steady trickle than a forceful gush. Of course you are free to adjust the flow rate as you wish.
This is something very difficult and dangerous to do by hand, because it takes focus to maintain just the right amount of pressure over several minutes, and there is butane vapor everywhere. The sensitivity of the Liquidizer clamp allows you to achieve this steady pressure quickly, and then walk away to do something else for 20 minutes. Just squeeze very slowly.
The result will be greater yields similar to those of the sit and soak canisters, although quality will be slightly sacrificed in the process. The choice is yours, extract as you wish and find out what suits you best!
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walrus
Well-Known Member
I've had my Liquidizer kit for almost 2 months now so I figured I'd post a quick review. There are 3 main components to the system: the hands free safety extractor, the EJvape, and the EJmix so I will take a look at each of these separately.
Butane Extractor
Before I ordered the Liquidizer, I was a complete noob at butane extractions. I had some experience with qwiso and qwet but had never run butane or seen it run outside of youtube. The Liquidizer extractor was extremely easy to setup and use and the instructions were clear, concise, and easy to follow. It made me feel safe and confident stepping into the world of butane extractions. I am very grateful to this product for teaching me the basics of bho making and getting me to take that first step.
I have quite a few runs under my belt at this point and I still love and use the extractor frequently. I would however like to see some improvements/upgrades made. The system is great for making small batches of oil and then liquidizing into an e liquid. I feel like I am starting to outgrow the current setup though. I would like to see a version with a larger extraction tube and collection vessel for running larger amounts. Blasting into the included small beaker makes it difficult to collect your oil if you are not liquidizing it or using a transport alcohol. I'd love to have an extractor designed to blast into a small pyrex baking dish or pie plate. Also, I'd enjoy an extraction tube 2 or so times the size of the current one specifically made for the larger cans of butane. A glass tube would be a nice option as well. I've been considering getting a larger tube and blasting by hand but if a hands free option existed, I'd still much prefer it.
EJvape/Infinite Wick
This vape pen does work as advertised but it is my least favorite part of the Liquidizer system. Again, I was completely inexperienced with e cigs/pen vapes when I first got my Liquidizer so it worked as a first step but I quickly realized that I wanted something higher quality. The vape is extremely discrete which is a plus, but for my purposes I needed something a little more. The batteries drain quickly and the atomizers and mouthpiece have a cheap, plastic feel to them. The e cigarette market is bursting with other options and it was pretty easy and inexpensive to find some other devices that work better for me. I feel like the EJvape could use some improvements in order to compete in this quickly growing market.
EJmix
This works amazingly well and I'm really sold on the convenience of liquidizing concentrates. I do keep a portion of my product in it's normal form for dabbing/etc but much of my yield gets liquidized. Transporting the mix in a dropper bottle or e cig tank is very convenient and less messy than working with standard concentrates. You can use a surprisingly minuscule amount of the mix and still get a stable liquid concentrate. Using a small amount of mix gives me a very thick, viscous oil that tastes great and hits pretty much as hard as a straight dab. It works in my standard e cig gear but it can ruin heating coils and wicks quickly. Fortunately, many devices have cheap, easy to replace or rebuild heating elements so I don't much mind burning through them.
You can also dilute it down to a thinner liquid that behaves more like a standard nicotine e liquid. The more diluted mixes suffer somewhat in potency and flavor but I have not found the dropoff to be very significant. I still enjoy the taste and only need a few extra hits to get where I want to be. Diluted mixes are easier on coils and they wick better in many devices.
Overall, I'm very happy with my Liquidizer purchase and would recommend the extractor to anyone looking for a safe, easy way to extract with butane. I'd also recommend the EJmix to anyone who uses concentrates and would like the convenience and stealth of using them in regular e cigarette equipment. There are some improvements I'd like to see made in a future version. It would be ideal if Liquidizers product could grow along with me as I improve my techniques making concentrates rather than being left behind in favor of other products.
I had a few interactions with the Liquidizer customer service person (people?) and would rate their service A+. I had a couple issues with my initial order and the Liquidizer people corrected them quickly and painlessly. They were a pleasure to deal with.
Butane Extractor
Before I ordered the Liquidizer, I was a complete noob at butane extractions. I had some experience with qwiso and qwet but had never run butane or seen it run outside of youtube. The Liquidizer extractor was extremely easy to setup and use and the instructions were clear, concise, and easy to follow. It made me feel safe and confident stepping into the world of butane extractions. I am very grateful to this product for teaching me the basics of bho making and getting me to take that first step.
I have quite a few runs under my belt at this point and I still love and use the extractor frequently. I would however like to see some improvements/upgrades made. The system is great for making small batches of oil and then liquidizing into an e liquid. I feel like I am starting to outgrow the current setup though. I would like to see a version with a larger extraction tube and collection vessel for running larger amounts. Blasting into the included small beaker makes it difficult to collect your oil if you are not liquidizing it or using a transport alcohol. I'd love to have an extractor designed to blast into a small pyrex baking dish or pie plate. Also, I'd enjoy an extraction tube 2 or so times the size of the current one specifically made for the larger cans of butane. A glass tube would be a nice option as well. I've been considering getting a larger tube and blasting by hand but if a hands free option existed, I'd still much prefer it.
EJvape/Infinite Wick
This vape pen does work as advertised but it is my least favorite part of the Liquidizer system. Again, I was completely inexperienced with e cigs/pen vapes when I first got my Liquidizer so it worked as a first step but I quickly realized that I wanted something higher quality. The vape is extremely discrete which is a plus, but for my purposes I needed something a little more. The batteries drain quickly and the atomizers and mouthpiece have a cheap, plastic feel to them. The e cigarette market is bursting with other options and it was pretty easy and inexpensive to find some other devices that work better for me. I feel like the EJvape could use some improvements in order to compete in this quickly growing market.
EJmix
This works amazingly well and I'm really sold on the convenience of liquidizing concentrates. I do keep a portion of my product in it's normal form for dabbing/etc but much of my yield gets liquidized. Transporting the mix in a dropper bottle or e cig tank is very convenient and less messy than working with standard concentrates. You can use a surprisingly minuscule amount of the mix and still get a stable liquid concentrate. Using a small amount of mix gives me a very thick, viscous oil that tastes great and hits pretty much as hard as a straight dab. It works in my standard e cig gear but it can ruin heating coils and wicks quickly. Fortunately, many devices have cheap, easy to replace or rebuild heating elements so I don't much mind burning through them.
You can also dilute it down to a thinner liquid that behaves more like a standard nicotine e liquid. The more diluted mixes suffer somewhat in potency and flavor but I have not found the dropoff to be very significant. I still enjoy the taste and only need a few extra hits to get where I want to be. Diluted mixes are easier on coils and they wick better in many devices.
Overall, I'm very happy with my Liquidizer purchase and would recommend the extractor to anyone looking for a safe, easy way to extract with butane. I'd also recommend the EJmix to anyone who uses concentrates and would like the convenience and stealth of using them in regular e cigarette equipment. There are some improvements I'd like to see made in a future version. It would be ideal if Liquidizers product could grow along with me as I improve my techniques making concentrates rather than being left behind in favor of other products.
I had a few interactions with the Liquidizer customer service person (people?) and would rate their service A+. I had a couple issues with my initial order and the Liquidizer people corrected them quickly and painlessly. They were a pleasure to deal with.
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walrus
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Yes, standard 510 threading.
bleepblorpbloop
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Tried adding 4 drops of Lemon EO (cold-distilled..yadayada) to about 3 grams of oil. It makes for great flavor enhancement! (this may be a higher topic of interest for those using QWISO in their EJMix) After using Lemon EO to flavor my liquid instead of a much larger amount of flavored e-juice, I get a more potent product with the flavor I was shooting for. Also, unlike previous QWISO ejmix batches I have made, the flavor doesn't deteriorate. It tastes great to the last drop! It's not overwhelmingly lemon-y, it actually enhances the flavor of the oil to taste more piney/citrusy...it tastes more like straight bud!
Personally, i will be adding drops of lemon oil to any batch I make from this point forward. It definitely enhances the final product, and I feel would make gold wax/honey taste even more amazing.
There's my two cents. I tried this after reading your posts about d-limonene and doing some research. I think the Pure Gold folks add d-limonene simply to replace the flavor lost in the extraction process. So I found that Lemon Oil is composed highly of d-limonene...and I already had some lyin around so I tried this out as an experiment. Hope someone else tries this and enjoys it as much as i have PEACE N LOVE YARLL!
Personally, i will be adding drops of lemon oil to any batch I make from this point forward. It definitely enhances the final product, and I feel would make gold wax/honey taste even more amazing.
There's my two cents. I tried this after reading your posts about d-limonene and doing some research. I think the Pure Gold folks add d-limonene simply to replace the flavor lost in the extraction process. So I found that Lemon Oil is composed highly of d-limonene...and I already had some lyin around so I tried this out as an experiment. Hope someone else tries this and enjoys it as much as i have
PEACE N LOVE YARLL!
OF
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Interesting, thanks for posting.
I assume you extracted the Lemon Oil from lemon peels? How about putting a couple in with the bud when you run it?
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PeteSeattle
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Got a hold of some food grade. Just a few drops will do yeah. D-limenon is a natural turpine in the plant. Sorry if I said that before ... must be the d-limenon talking.