Discontinued The Liquidizer Herb2Vapor System - Safety Butane Extractor & Mini-vaporizer
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ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
I find that if I put the flowers in whole the extraction is BLONDER.
Freezing before extraction as well.
Need to get some of that NEWPORT butane.
3 grams wax per 15 grams flowers.
Currently 1 gram per 15 grams is my yield. (Very Pale Blonde)
very nice!
I vacuum purge as well:
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Hello everyone! Apologies for our absence, we've been busy working to expand our production capacity as well as moving toward offering EJmix on its own as demand has been increasing.
Thank you all so much for your participation in this forum. The quality of the posts and member replies has been phenomenal and we're really very proud to be a part of this conversation.
We universally hear from customers that they greatly prefer their own Ejuice to what they've purchased or experienced in the past.
When you think about it this shouldn't come as a great surprise. The existing business model is that top quality flowers fetch a premium and are sold on their own and the second and third rate "leftovers" are typically used for concentrates/extracts. This factor alone makes all the difference. You get out of an extraction what you put in.
Also as any user who has run more than one can through a tube knows, the quality of extract from the first can is much higher than of subsequent cans. As an individual making your own you can separate the runs into your "Grade A", "Grade B" and "Grade C" oil but to someone who is profit minded, yield matters more than quality. In many industrial sized reclaimable extractors, the herb is left to literally soak in the butane for a time and is then strained away. This increases yield but more extract is not the same as better extract, otherwise soaking in rubbing alcohol would be an ace extraction method.
There is also the matter of winterizing. It is a time consuming process that reduces yield and if not done with care and with everything kept very cold, is not very effective.
What this all means is that artisanal quality Ejuice, from high quality flowers, that isn't over extracted, and has been properly winterized must be highly expensive to account for the material, labor and losses incurred from pursuing quality over quantity.
When you consider that the price of even mediocre overly diluted cartridges is already high, imagine what an artisanal product would cost? From this perspective the Liquidizer pays for itself rather quickly.
And this is to say nothing of those without scruples who may adulterate your liquid for a quick buck. Quality is very difficult to gauge visually and people are easily fooled.
At the end of the day it is the case that many people prefer lower prices to high quality. Mass market extracts will always be mediocre, just as fast food is rather mediocre.
Those who work at the high end of luxury extracts and truly prize quality are few and far between, although their numbers are growing. Yet still it is likely the price of artisan crafted juices will make them a special treat for most users.
That is unless of course, you happen to have a Liquidizer
So again, congratulations to all of you who have succeeded in making artisanal liquids. You have each experienced a level of quality and flavor few people have ever known, and you have every reason to be proud because the skill you've mastered will last a lifetime.
Thank you again. Together let's never stop improving the quality of our Ejuices!
Thank you all so much for your participation in this forum. The quality of the posts and member replies has been phenomenal and we're really very proud to be a part of this conversation.
And also I have lowered my water temperature when purging. Much better yield, flavor and look. Takes me about 10 minutes longer. I had a friend in town recently from CO, said he buy's juice carts all the time including all the pure gold stuff.
That mother fucker said my juice was better. Whether or not it true it's got be some testament to my trials.
My next step is going to be vacuum purging.
We universally hear from customers that they greatly prefer their own Ejuice to what they've purchased or experienced in the past.
When you think about it this shouldn't come as a great surprise. The existing business model is that top quality flowers fetch a premium and are sold on their own and the second and third rate "leftovers" are typically used for concentrates/extracts. This factor alone makes all the difference. You get out of an extraction what you put in.
Also as any user who has run more than one can through a tube knows, the quality of extract from the first can is much higher than of subsequent cans. As an individual making your own you can separate the runs into your "Grade A", "Grade B" and "Grade C" oil but to someone who is profit minded, yield matters more than quality. In many industrial sized reclaimable extractors, the herb is left to literally soak in the butane for a time and is then strained away. This increases yield but more extract is not the same as better extract, otherwise soaking in rubbing alcohol would be an ace extraction method.
There is also the matter of winterizing. It is a time consuming process that reduces yield and if not done with care and with everything kept very cold, is not very effective.
What this all means is that artisanal quality Ejuice, from high quality flowers, that isn't over extracted, and has been properly winterized must be highly expensive to account for the material, labor and losses incurred from pursuing quality over quantity.
When you consider that the price of even mediocre overly diluted cartridges is already high, imagine what an artisanal product would cost? From this perspective the Liquidizer pays for itself rather quickly.
And this is to say nothing of those without scruples who may adulterate your liquid for a quick buck. Quality is very difficult to gauge visually and people are easily fooled.
At the end of the day it is the case that many people prefer lower prices to high quality. Mass market extracts will always be mediocre, just as fast food is rather mediocre.
Those who work at the high end of luxury extracts and truly prize quality are few and far between, although their numbers are growing. Yet still it is likely the price of artisan crafted juices will make them a special treat for most users.
That is unless of course, you happen to have a Liquidizer
So again, congratulations to all of you who have succeeded in making artisanal liquids. You have each experienced a level of quality and flavor few people have ever known, and you have every reason to be proud because the skill you've mastered will last a lifetime.
Thank you again. Together let's never stop improving the quality of our Ejuices!
2clicker
Observer
wanted to chime in here. i was finally able to taste my mix on saturday during the beer fest 
and let me tell you... this is the future!
i used Skunkpharms frozen ethanol extraction method and have never produced shatter of this quality. mixed with the ejmix (and it stays mixed) produced a great tasting, low odor (baked it), and very potent mix that work perfectly in my Kanger ProTank 2 and my AnyVape mini Davide tank. i just want to run all my stash for real.
i was medicating right in front of the authorities and tons of people, all of who had no idea.
this ejmix is amazing stuff!
and let me tell you... this is the future!i used Skunkpharms frozen ethanol extraction method and have never produced shatter of this quality. mixed with the ejmix (and it stays mixed) produced a great tasting, low odor (baked it), and very potent mix that work perfectly in my Kanger ProTank 2 and my AnyVape mini Davide tank. i just want to run all my stash for real.
i was medicating right in front of the authorities and tons of people, all of who had no idea.
this ejmix is amazing stuff!
PeteSeattle
Well-Known Member
@Liquidizer Congrat on the spots in High Times! 
@Liquidizer Congrat on the spots in High Times!
Thanks! We have our first magazine ads running this month so these are exciting times. We are glad you spotted us. Certainly our big challenge is just getting the word out; outside of FC we're still unknown and no matter how cool your product is people can't buy what they've never heard of. Thank you to everyone here that has helped spread the word about the Liquidizer. It may not seem like much but you guys are invaluable to us and we really appreciate it.
PeteSeattle
Well-Known Member
I've been talking to some other friends in "chemistry" and they've heard and seen your product and are asking questions. True believers when they tried a vape.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
you are only reading it wrong in that there is no easy way to make concentrates. This product makes it simple and easy to follow and less dangerous...but still a pain in the ass to the person who just vapes flowers.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
other than reclaim, I've never even tried a concentrate, so at least you are ahead of me there!
walrus
Well-Known Member
wanted to chime in here. i was finally able to taste my mix on saturday during the beer fest
i used Skunkpharms frozen ethanol extraction method and have never produced shatter of this quality. mixed with the ejmix (and it stays mixed) produced a great tasting, low odor (baked it), and very potent mix that work perfectly in my Kanger ProTank 2 and my AnyVape mini Davide tank. i just want to run all my stash for real.
i was medicating right in front of the authorities and tons of people, all of who had no idea.
this ejmix is amazing stuff!
I've been planning on doing a qwet run soon. Been doing all butane since I got my liquidizer. I've used skunk pharms method in the past but never got shatter like results. Could you detail the difference in your process from theirs? I assume you do not use the same high heat purging method they do? Whenever I've used that technique I end up with a pretty runny end product.
Also, how do you like your protank/davide system? I've been using the mini protank. It works great most of the time but when the level of liquid gets too low, I get gurgling and leaking from the bottom of the tank. I've been hesitant to fill another tank after the last one leaked and I lost about .5 ml of liquid, but the convenience and portability make it almost worth it. Thinking about ordering the mini protank 2 but I'm not sure if it will have the same issue.
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Yes and no, it can get really complicated (see: closed-loop extractors that recycle solvents), or really easy (see: stainless steel tube, heat purge). It depends on what you want exactly.
Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
So if I hear you correctly Q it is easy if you want a subpar product but if you can then you can make it more difficult and go for a much better improved product? Is the subpar product still better then what you can get in the dispensary? I think I saw pics with people doing the liquidizer as advertised and there were still bubbles leading them to experiment more and refine the technique. I suppose I am just learning at this point cause there is no way in hell I can do this.
Don't be intimidated by the discussion of advanced topics. Making standard Ejuice is easy and straightforward and really can take as little as 15 minutes. The Liquidizer is set up, the extraction tube loaded with herb, butane canister set in place, hot water in the bottom basin, take outdoors, set down on the ground, squeeze handle, return indoor indoors for ten minutes, come back to find unpurged wax. Take beaker with wax, heat in water bath, add small amount of EJmix, stir for five minutes and vape. If you use high quality flowers and take care when adding EJmix, you'll have an excellent Ejuice superior to a majority of what is on the market. It certainly isn't a "sub-par" product by any means.
The "advanced topics" which involves cold filtering away the waxes just involves a few more steps. The fact that the discussion on this thread has become so technical so fast is that once your eyes are opened to Ejuice, of course you want to discover what else is possible. Since the Liquidizer has been designed for wax filtering as well as extraction, you need only find a bit of grain ethanol, a freezer and follow the steps we detail to experience a cleaner sweeter vapor.
Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Thanks for a clear explanation. I read it because it interests me. I think the easy method would be hard for me as I am a para but that is fine I can still learn. Sometimes ok all the time it is hard to learn without doing so it seems more overwhelming then it is.
2clicker
Observer
dreamerr, since you have access to oils already (and you trust the quality) then you should just get some of the ejmix and forget the extraction. just take your purchased oils/waxes and mix them 1g to 1ml (more or less ejmix depending on the potency your after). would take only a couple of mins and your ready to enjoy it in regular ol ecig equipment. its a wonderful thing!
regarding the PTII and the mini davide... i love them! i do get a tiny bit of leakage when the tank is low, but never as much as .5ml. here is a tip to keep your PTmini running w/out leaking and gurgling... basically when the tank gets low it needs to be "burped". negative pressure builds up inside when a tank is low and opening it will relieve that pressure. i do this once a day and never get gurgling anymore. still get a small bit of leakage, but its very little. and i just wipe it off with my fingers and rub it into my hands. for the sake of not derailing the thread any further id like to say that the liquid i produce with ejmix wicks very well in the Kanger/AnyVape bottom coil tanks.
i will hit you up in PMs later with more about my QWEC (quick wash everclear) techniques.
this thread is gaining some steam, but i think we need more FC members to try this stuff.
bleepblorpbloop
New Member
Hello all,
I just purchased some EJMix after reading about it in this forum. First, I went to several local e-cig vendors and head shops who all had never heard of the stuff, although one did have a Liquidizer on display, but told me I'd have to go to their website to get one or learn more. I ended up purchasing from the Liquidizer website and paying the hefty ten dollar shipping fee. After receiving the product, which arrived swiftly, I must say I have absolutely zero complaints.
The price is worthy of the product, even with shipping cost. After all of my trials and errors trying to make my own concentrate juice and never finding a solution, this was easier than any "concentrate project" i had done before. I simply had to heat up my 1g of wax (I used a baby bottle warmer and a baby food jar) and once it was heated and in liquid form, I just added the EJMix at a ratio of 50/50 (using one of three kindly included syringes). After stirring for about five minutes with a titanium dabber, the mixture was perfectly blended. I drew the liquid into the syringe with no difficulty, and immediately injected the liquid into my Protank. I made a total of 2.5 ml of liquid comprised of 1 gram of wax, 1 ml of EJmix, and .5ml of nicotine free flavoring from a local vendor. The amount of liquid fills my Protank almost completely, as intended.
Halfway through, the flavor has not diminished and it hits as well as my previous favorite Halo Ti Dome attachment. All of the taste and medication without the headache of refilling dab after dab. Better than any cartomizer device I've used (Persei/Omicron...I've had both) due to these facts: taste never diminishes (at least so far, for me), it never gets clogged, and best of all it's 100% discrete! my wife and I hit this in front of my parents like an e-cig the other day, and they did not suspect a thing.
This stuff is industry changing, more power to Liquidizer!
I'm completely floored. What a fantastic product, with great attention to detail and customer service... All of these things are rather rare in the industry. KUDOS to Liquidizer. I just joined this forum after years of reading it for its useful research and information, and only to thank Liquidizer and to help share the knowledge of their wonderful, efficient, easy to use product.
I haven't tried winterizing yet, as I don't have access to everclear where I live...But I can't wait to try once I get an opportunity. Otherwise, for those worried that the whole winterizing step is necessary to make the e-juice work efficiently, don't worry. I used some rather runny wax...meaning it was not purged correctly or completely, and it created a potent ejuice that myself and my wife both find satisfying. We are heavy tokers, and we are even considering switching competely to the liquid. I already had switched to vaping concentrates, but my wife didn't like the hassle. Now she's considering quitting smoking for the juice option.
Anyways, sorry for the rambling. Brilliant work Liquidizer, keep doing what you're doing, and thank you for a great product and great service.
Like 2clicker above me says, it really is a wonderful thing!! I'm still working on wrapping my mind around the concept of being able to medicate discretely and publicly with no worry of bothering anybody or calling for unwanted attention.
Blorp!
I just purchased some EJMix after reading about it in this forum. First, I went to several local e-cig vendors and head shops who all had never heard of the stuff, although one did have a Liquidizer on display, but told me I'd have to go to their website to get one or learn more. I ended up purchasing from the Liquidizer website and paying the hefty ten dollar shipping fee. After receiving the product, which arrived swiftly, I must say I have absolutely zero complaints.
The price is worthy of the product, even with shipping cost. After all of my trials and errors trying to make my own concentrate juice and never finding a solution, this was easier than any "concentrate project" i had done before. I simply had to heat up my 1g of wax (I used a baby bottle warmer and a baby food jar) and once it was heated and in liquid form, I just added the EJMix at a ratio of 50/50 (using one of three kindly included syringes). After stirring for about five minutes with a titanium dabber, the mixture was perfectly blended. I drew the liquid into the syringe with no difficulty, and immediately injected the liquid into my Protank. I made a total of 2.5 ml of liquid comprised of 1 gram of wax, 1 ml of EJmix, and .5ml of nicotine free flavoring from a local vendor. The amount of liquid fills my Protank almost completely, as intended.
Halfway through, the flavor has not diminished and it hits as well as my previous favorite Halo Ti Dome attachment. All of the taste and medication without the headache of refilling dab after dab. Better than any cartomizer device I've used (Persei/Omicron...I've had both) due to these facts: taste never diminishes (at least so far, for me), it never gets clogged, and best of all it's 100% discrete! my wife and I hit this in front of my parents like an e-cig the other day, and they did not suspect a thing.
This stuff is industry changing, more power to Liquidizer!
I'm completely floored. What a fantastic product, with great attention to detail and customer service... All of these things are rather rare in the industry. KUDOS to Liquidizer. I just joined this forum after years of reading it for its useful research and information, and only to thank Liquidizer and to help share the knowledge of their wonderful, efficient, easy to use product.
I haven't tried winterizing yet, as I don't have access to everclear where I live...But I can't wait to try once I get an opportunity. Otherwise, for those worried that the whole winterizing step is necessary to make the e-juice work efficiently, don't worry. I used some rather runny wax...meaning it was not purged correctly or completely, and it created a potent ejuice that myself and my wife both find satisfying. We are heavy tokers, and we are even considering switching competely to the liquid. I already had switched to vaping concentrates, but my wife didn't like the hassle. Now she's considering quitting smoking for the juice option.
Anyways, sorry for the rambling. Brilliant work Liquidizer, keep doing what you're doing, and thank you for a great product and great service.
Like 2clicker above me says, it really is a wonderful thing!! I'm still working on wrapping my mind around the concept of being able to medicate discretely and publicly with no worry of bothering anybody or calling for unwanted attention.
Blorp!
Amazing stuff in this thread! This really has me wanting to try the whole process, but not sure if I'm all that ready to make it from scratch. I have some questions though that maybe some of you could help with.
First off, in regards to smell, is toasting the herb or mixing with EJ mix the reason for lack of smell? Sounds like from all I've read that it's probably the toasting. So I'm wondering if I buy waxes and then liquidize, will that help reduce the smell? Or is it mixing in a flavor that really masks the smell?
Also, is it worth it to buy waxes and then winterize myself? I'm assuming the reason to do this is a cleaner final product that is better for the life of the cartridges we use. I'm using the Cera EO and it's awesome for concentrates. What's my real benefit for winterizing? Does winterizing have anything to do with reduced smell?
I'm not needing to be discreet often in public, but the times I do, it would be nice to be invisible, at least from a smell perspective.
First off, in regards to smell, is toasting the herb or mixing with EJ mix the reason for lack of smell? Sounds like from all I've read that it's probably the toasting. So I'm wondering if I buy waxes and then liquidize, will that help reduce the smell? Or is it mixing in a flavor that really masks the smell?
Also, is it worth it to buy waxes and then winterize myself? I'm assuming the reason to do this is a cleaner final product that is better for the life of the cartridges we use. I'm using the Cera EO and it's awesome for concentrates. What's my real benefit for winterizing? Does winterizing have anything to do with reduced smell?
I'm not needing to be discreet often in public, but the times I do, it would be nice to be invisible, at least from a smell perspective.
Trever
Well-Known Member
Toasting the herb is specifically for reducing smell. Winterizing will remove some terps so some flavor/smell will deminish. If i had only access to wax id be winterizing all of it even whats going into the cera not just for longer life of the carts but longer life on your lungs
. I havnt personally tried the ejmix myself but i would say that the pg mixture should hardly give any taste/smell since it should be close to the pg's that are mixed in with regular ecig juice. Hope that helps!
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
What Trever said! Toasting does two things: it decarboxylates (removes a COOH) the cannabinoid acids (THCa --> THC, etc), and the heat required to do that will also evaporate/release the terpenes which cause smell/taste. If stealth is a priority when using it, you'll want to toast the herbs.
If you buy concentrates from a GOOD concentrate maker, they'll preserve as many terpenes as possible. The reason you winterize is to remove any waxes and plant fats/oils that the butane pulls. Ethanol after you get oil will pull the stuff that butane didn't (due to one being polar and the other being non-polar). I think winterizing would also remove some of the terps but don't quote me on that. Toasting will be more effective for that, but winterizing will mean you end up with an absolute oil. IMO the extra step is well worth it if you care about longevity of your concentrate pens. Vaporizing plant waxes doesn't get you high
Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Wow thanks 2clicker and others as this is a fantastic discussion. That is a genius idea to thin out the wax. I may or may not have an issue. I tried pg once in a pen at a dispensary. As always took a cautionary small then the small hits I normally take and I think it was a reaction to the pg as I coughed my para back out of my chair. I asked him what was in it afterwards and after the dumb answers he said girl scout cookies and pg. I doubt it was the gsc so could it be that pg and I don't mix? I need to try pg again before I pay a huge amount of my crip money on the mix if I can't use it.
So if I do this you just drop it into any pen oil vape like I have the vip2 which I am actually currently dabbing off of?
So if I do this you just drop it into any pen oil vape like I have the vip2 which I am actually currently dabbing off of?
If you buy concentrates from a GOOD concentrate maker, they'll preserve as many terpenes as possible. The reason you winterize is to remove any waxes and plant fats/oils that the butane pulls. Ethanol after you get oil will pull the stuff that butane didn't (due to one being polar and the other being non-polar). I think winterizing would also remove some of the terps but don't quote me on that. Toasting will be more effective for that, but winterizing will mean you end up with an absolute oil. IMO the extra step is well worth it if you care about longevity of your concentrate pens. Vaporizing plant waxes doesn't get you high
Thanks for the info guys! Sounds like the way to complete stealth is toasting. This makes me want to start from scratch and make my own so I know what I'm getting!
I'm fairly new to concentrates in general. And there are so many kinds out there. And since I'm not talking to the guy who actually made it, asking questions like, "has it been toasted or winterized" won't ever happen. So here's the question, is there a way to tell just by looking at it if it's been winterized? More brittle, lighter in color, liquifies faster... etc.? That way if I do continue purchasing, I can know when to winterize when necessary and then liquidize it for convenience/stealth.
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Some people don't play nicely with PG. It's a well-known fact in the ecig community that PG gives you a LOT more throat hit than VG. PG = less vapor and more throat hit, VG = less throat hit and huge clouds. I can't say for sure if you'll feel less throat hit with @Liquidizer's PG blend... and I'm also not sure what the solubility rate for VG is with regards to cannabinoids. I wanna see what @Liquidizer has to say about their PG blend compared to regular PG and what the throat hit is like in comparison.
Not that I know of. I'm assuming you're in a non-medical state so it'll be hard to know if it's winterized or not. IMO if you want the safest concentrates, you're better off making them yourself and taking any steps you feel necessary. When I make oil, I run with butane, and once it's to the point where it stops bubbling, I'll add alcohol to it, mix it around to make sure it dissolves, and stick it in the freezer overnight. Alcohol doesn't freeze at those concentrations so it won't freeze over, but it will cause the plant waxes to precipitate out. From there, it's as simple as just straining through an unbleached coffee filter (brown ones) and evaporate the alcohol out. Doing it yourself is the easiest way to guarantee you're making good stuff.
2clicker
Observer
you sure can, but you will still have to load it pretty often. or for a few bucks you can get a nano bottom coil tank... great capacity for ej/errl and almost zero leakage. something like this: http://www.gotvapes.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=148_254
they arent rebuildable but should last quite a few fill ups.
its just a standard 510 threaded bottom coil (important here) tank. should thread on to almost any pen or mod you may have (except for D9 stuff, adapter needed).
get yourself a 650mah eGo pen for $15, vision nano tank for $4, and load your ej/errl into it.
EDIT* or buy an ejvape!