The HI

[SirTokesAlot]

It's going to take a LOOOOOT of tokes before I get over this. :/

Also, to those who are worried about combustion, don't be. I've been packing my stems and putting the HI at full power, but I haven't combusted yet. It's gotten very brown, comparable to coffee grinds, but there was never a cherry.

 

[pecosthecat]

Is the HI available for shipment outside of the US? I noticed that quite a few of the log vapes are only available in the USA. I am really quite interested in adding a log vape to my stable.

 

[J.R.R.Tokin']

@pecosthecat. Why don't you send Alan an email and ask. His email is listed on his website or you can send him one through FC. I'm sure he'll accommodate you

 

[pecosthecat]

Thanks for the suggestion!

@pecosthecat. Why don't you send Alan an email and ask. His email is listed on his website or you can send him one through FC. I'm sure he'll accommodate you

 

[Alan]

I'm so sorry to hear of your loss SirTokesAlot. That is indeed a tragedy. Always a risk with glass I guess. I still have my Toker II that I bought 34 years ago. I'm sure it will die someday too. That will be a sad day. Still enjoying it but now with vapor.
Glad you are enjoying the HI. I'm happy to hear you have not combusted. I'm hoping that the hammered screens will keep the airflow good to prevent excessive heat buildup. You don't want to do the milkshake draw with the HI. If you are not getting good airflow, use the skewer tool to stir the bowl until you do get good airflow. Clean and/or replace the screen as necessary. Overloading the bowl can definitely reduce the airflow. You probably won't be able to get much from your ABV after running it through the HI. I don't even save mine anymore. It just mixes with the sawdust on my shop floor.

Do send me an email pecosthecat. I'm sure we can work something out.

I'm excited to hear that 3/8" silicone tubing works on the PD. That means that my Turbo Tubes will work on the PD since the HI has the same diameter heat tube as the PD. For those that are concerned of smell from the silicone, that is not a issue with my Turbo Tubes. I only use Silcon brand silicone which does emit a smell when heated like cheaper silicone tubing does. Silcon brand tubing costs more, but it is definitely worth it to get medical grade silicone. I won't use anything less.

 

[max]

That means that my Turbo Tubes will work on the PD since the HI has the same diameter heat tube as the PD.

Good news for PD owners!

I only use Silcon brand silicone which does emit a smell when heated like cheaper silicone tubing does. Silcon brand tubing costs more, but it is definitely worth it to get medical grade silicone. I won't use anything less.

The Silcon brand isn't expensive (compared to something like Tygon), so it makes me wonder about what kind of silicone does have odor issues. Silicone usually has a very high temp ceiling- around 400-500 F.

"The most outstanding property of Silcon is its resistance to temperature extremes"
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/search.aspx?search=Silcon medical grade tubing&page=1

 

[obelisk]

I try to do as little Vape to Vape comparison... in a "Vape specific thread" as possible... and concentrate on review and discussion just of the vape at hand (in this case the HI), just to be fair to all manufacturers!

I appreciate your sentiment, but I am not sure if that is really helpful, though, well, except perhaps to the manufacturers. Most people cannot afford to pick up multiple vapes, or perhaps are not willing to make large enough of an investment into the practice of ingesting ganja to warrant a shit-load of vape purchases, and a direct comparison - subjective as that may be, because at the end of the day consensus is key - definitely helps in picking the right vape; especially when the vaporizers are as similar as the UD, the MZ and the HI.

If anybody can throw their two cents in about the HI versus an Underdog (which seems to be ridiculously expensive) or one of the new Zaps, that'd be great. Specifically, with regards to efficiency and nature of hits. Thanks.

 

[hazy]

For those that are concerned of smell from the silicone, that is not a issue with my Turbo Tubes. I only use Silcon brand silicone which does emit a smell when heated like cheaper silicone tubing does. Silcon brand tubing costs more, but it is definitely worth it to get medical grade silicone. I won't use anything less.

I got some of the silicone stems used for the Underdogs, and they definitely smell. I could smell them even when they were just sitting on the desk. I thought that Dave used Silcon tubing, but I could be mistaken. However, the silicone for the Turbo Tubes is used only as a seal and is not in the vapour path. For me that is an important difference.

 

[VaporBoxed]

UD, HI, CRZ are pretty similar in design. UDs and HI s run hotter than the CRZ to my knowledge. They all hit well and save herb. The crz has more restricted flow. The UD has more of a free flow. Im not sure of the HI but they seem to little air restriction. Perfect for water pieces.

Also, I dont mean to offend by posting this in this thread but the prices of the UD twigs are similar to the prices of the HI and CRZ if not cheaper. Also, there are some other cool logs out there too. The OCD and the EV

ANd to adress the silicone in the UD stems. I notice a smell but after day one( about 8 stems) the smell dissipates. A long hard sniff right under my nose and i cant smell any chemical at all. I have a strong sense of smell too.

 

[obelisk]

UD, HI, CRZ are pretty similar in design. UDs and HI s run hotter than the CRZ to my knowledge. They all hit well and save herb. The crz has more restricted flow. The UD has more of a free flow. Im not sure of the HI but they seem to little air restriction. Perfect for water pieces.

Also, I dont mean to offend by posting this in this thread but the prices of the UD twigs are similar to the prices of the HI and CRZ if not cheaper. Also, there are some other cool logs out there too. The OCD and the EV

ANd to adress the silicone in the UD stems. I notice a smell but after day one( about 8 stems) the smell dissipates. A long hard sniff right under my nose and i cant smell any chemical at all. I have a strong sense of smell too.

Hi VaporBoxed, thank you for your input, I appreciate it.

I don't think you need to worry about offending anybody when you tout one vape over another. Especially in this thread - from what I have seen, Alan seems to be extremely open about his vapes and his ideas of how to progress this design (Thank you very much, Alan). And, perhaps, you are correct about the UD's pricing (I hope so!) - I have not really done a full price comparison, just balked at the near 300 dollar pricing on the UD website. Re the UD twigs, from the little I know, the 1/4" cores offer different hits than the regular 3/8" cores, yes?

I really like the over all aesthetic - the simplicity and size - of the HI. Thanks again for your input. So far, my impression is that the HI and 3/8" core UDs offer similar hits and efficiency gains. If this is incorrect, I'd appreciate a heads up. Thank you!

PS: Hazy, nice to see a quote from the Vigyan Bhairav.

 

[hazy]

Hazy, nice to see a quote from the Vigyan Bhairav.

Got it from Zen Flesh, Zen Bones. That book had a big impact on my life when I first read it 25 years ago.
</OT>

 

[OKcomputer]

Re the UD twigs, from the little I know, the 1/4" cores offer different hits than the regular 3/8" cores, yes?

All UDs, including Twigs, are now made with the heavier-hitting 3/8" cores. For those unfamiliar with UD models:

"Twigs" are small, narrow units similar to the HI. They actually run hotter than normal-sized UDs, given the same type of wood. They cost around $150, +/- about $10 depending on wood, complexity of construction, etc. They include silicone stems, power supply, etc.

"Normal" UDs are larger in size, roughly the same as a PD. Their costs are higher and vary more heavily, as reflected on the UD website. They often consist of several different pieces of wood glued together, with the extra material and increased complexity of construction accounting for the price hike over the Twigs.

"Lost Dogs" are UDs with cosmetic defects such as scratches, dents and hairline cracks. They're discounted, allowing you to purchase a "normal" UD for roughly the same price as a Twig, or a little more, for example.

In general with the UDs, greater wood mass = cooler temperatures. The extreme of this is the Tortuga, which is very large. Stroh, the owner of the UD Tortuga, says that it's the coolest running UD he's tried.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I think it's important to quickly squash easily-squashable misconceptions when we're comparing these notably-similar log vapes, especially in a post-PD environment when innovation and improvements are happening extremely quickly. I think it's also very important that CRZ, PDs, TTs, HIs, OCDs, UDs etc. receive comparisons whenever possible, even if that may best be done in a different thread.

 

[momofthegoons]

Isn't that what everyone wants to know? Which is the best?

I understand that some can't or do not want to have to buy several vapes, but in all fairness to Alan, overly discussing a competitor's vape in his thread isn't right. Why don't one of you start a comparison thread?

 

[Vitolo]

I try to do as little Vape to Vape comparison... in a "Vape specific thread" as possible... and concentrate on review and discussion just of the vape at hand (in this case the HI), just to be fair to all manufacturers!

I appreciate your sentiment, but I am not sure if that is really helpful, though, well, except perhaps to the manufacturers. Most people cannot afford to pick up multiple vapes, or perhaps are not willing to make large enough....

I said this out of sensitivity to feelings.
when vapes get compared, and one gets a better "rap"... then the fan boys come out to defend their fave... and the thread takes an edgy turn.
Let comparisons commence!

 

[OhTheAgony]

As far as I know the UD twigs are 249,- OK-C.

The cebil and maple twigs on the 'sold' page of the UD website were anyways. Perhaps you're confused with the price of the lost dogs, or did Dave change the pricing recently?

 

[OKcomputer]

OTA - we're both wrong, haha. Just checked the email I received from Dave, and the new Twigs UD has coming out are ~$175.

With that said, I fully agree with mom that a separate log vape comparisons thread is in order, and this is the last time that I'll be mentioning anything specific to the UD in the HI thread. I'm definitely interested in learning more about the HI, so my derail ends now!

 

[obelisk]

Re the UD twigs, from the little I know, the 1/4" cores offer different hits than the regular 3/8" cores, yes?

All UDs, including Twigs, are now made with the heavier-hitting 3/8" cores. For those unfamiliar with UD models:

"Twigs" are small, narrow units similar to the HI. They actually run hotter than normal-sized UDs, given the same type of wood. They cost around $150, +/- about $10 depending on wood, complexity of construction, etc. They include silicone stems, power supply, etc.

"Normal" UDs are larger in size, roughly the same as a PD. Their costs are higher and vary more heavily, as reflected on the UD website. They often consist of several different pieces of wood glued together, with the extra material and increased complexity of construction accounting for the price hike over the Twigs.

"Lost Dogs" are UDs with cosmetic defects such as scratches, dents and hairline cracks. They're discounted, allowing you to purchase a "normal" UD for roughly the same price as a Twig, or a little more, for example.

In general with the UDs, greater wood mass = cooler temperatures. The extreme of this is the Tortuga, which is very large. Stroh, the owner of the UD Tortuga, says that it's the coolest running UD he's tried.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I think it's important to quickly squash easily-squashable misconceptions when we're comparing these notably-similar log vapes, especially in a post-PD environment when innovation and improvements are happening extremely quickly. I think it's also very important that CRZ, PDs, TTs, HIs, OCDs, UDs etc. receive comparisons whenever possible, even if that may best be done in a different thread.

Thank you, very good information there. Perhaps should be re-posted in the UD thread as well, to serve as a succinct summary.

Although, I really do not see any vapes below 250 on the UD website. (Just saw your latest post regarding the Twigs coming out at 175 -- thanks for the update) So far, it seems like the HI may still be the most inexpensive option?

(while some of this information may definitely be considered 'hijacking' the HI thread, I do think it is contextually relevant here, from a potential customer's perspective.. )

I said this out of sensitivity to feelings.
when vapes get compared, and one gets a better "rap"... then the fan boys come out to defend their fave... and the thread takes an edgy turn.
Let comparisons commence!

Oh, I definitely understand that. 'Fanboyism' is definitely a freaking prevalent disease. But hey, let's give Max something to do ;-)

Kidding aside, while fanboyism is always a danger, avoiding comparisons because of it is perhaps a disservice to this forum.

 

[OhTheAgony]

OTA - we're both wrong, haha. Just checked the email I received from Dave, and the new Twigs UD has coming out are ~$175.

With that said, I fully agree with mom that a separate log vape comparisons thread is in order, and this is the last time that I'll be mentioning anything specific to the UD in the HI thread. I'm definitely interested in learning more about the HI, so my derail ends now!

Holly crap, I'm glad were having this discussion then. I was going for a lost Dog myself, but this means I could also afford a regular Twig. I better keep an eye on what comes out in the next few days

We already have a log vape comparison thread btw. So far it's just about the woodies, original Zap, and PD, & it isn't that active anymore, but it could use some serious up-dating with all the new developments in log vape land if anyone has the hardware to add to it.

 

[momofthegoons]

That comparison thread was closed after Tom got on and started doing his "thing." Unless there's one that I don't know about...

 

[OhTheAgony]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I won't miss those

Never mind then, time for a fresh start I guess.

Just a thought though, there was some good information gathered in that thread, perhaps it's an idea to gather it & put it in the OP of the new thread as well so the thread would be as complete as possible?

Sorry for the off-topic btw!

 

[GhostVapor]

My tall purple heart HI arrived today!! Paid 175.00 shipped, Here is everything it came with.

Sorry for the crummy pic, Its kinda late in the day. More pic's tomorrow morning, Hopefully the sun will be out then Quick first impression: Its so tiny! But it hits like a beast! More to come...

 

[al bundy]

Will a CRZap stem fit the hi?

Cool color and tiny too. Enjoy.

 

[Alan]

Glad to see it arrived safely GhostVapor and is working well for you. The color really is amazing in the sunlight.

The HI was designed to accept my Toasty Tubes which are the same size as the CRZ stem. It would be interesting to hear how a Zap stem works in the HI.

As far as comparisons go. It might be nice to have some place that summarizes all the features and specifications of the various available manufacturers as opposed to reviews and personal likes/dislikes of the units. It could be more objective that way.

 

[vapormonkey]

Is the Hi giving good full draws with uniform toasting?

 

[mflb_hustler]

I think im ready to order my HI today i was gonna get the toasty top but it seems like the HI is much more portable and water pipe friendly. Im just curious which two stems are the best? and which wood type should i go with...im thinking walnut but cant really decide? any suggestions