marduk
daydreamer
The actual product looks better to me than the renderings.
And if this thing does everything they claim it will, it sure looks like the Volcano's days are numbered.
Here's the video on youtube for the lazy or facebook haters.
The Herbalizer
- Thread starter nopartofme
- Start date
The actual product looks better to me than the renderings.
And if this thing does everything they claim it will, it sure looks like the Volcano's days are numbered.
Here's the video on youtube for the lazy or facebook haters.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
The challenge with new markets (i.e., the "herbal vapor market") is always the amount of time & money required to develop, and what your competitors are doing during that time. It becomes a cash-flow issue, how long before reaching profitability. It's doubtful that the herbal medical user segment is large enough in itself as yet; I presume mmj users constitute the largest subset and consequently the perceived need/value of the precision heat control, and customer assessment of its effectiveness in producing the targeted medical benefit, will be paramount to gaining traction in this segment.
But that still leaves generating sufficient volume within existing segments until such time the new market becomes sustaining. If the Herbie can be priced relatively close to its recreational competitors, it can steal share from those companies and use proceeds for new market development. If it comes in too high, it gets priced out of the mid range while the "medical" segment still gestates.
okay, well, a microwave oven at Wal-Mart is $30 retail. there is nothing in any vaporizer in existence that is as complex as a microwave. so price of a vaporizer is completely arbitrary above, say, $25. Factors might be how much you want to pay the slaves.
custom glassworks could justify a higher price, but that's not the herbie's market. And in general, a Cloud-like bong would terrify the herbie market.
The main advantage i see (and experience) with accurate, consistent, digital temperature control is the no-brainer aspect of use. There is NO learning curve. This solves the problem of peeps who can't roll a decent joint and don't want to buy a pipe.
Being able to hit a specific temperature is a side effect of good design -- so go ahead and trumpet it in the marketing literature.
With a new product -- that tries to open up sales to a new demographic -- the maker can either educate the user or put the smarts in the product. Sometimes you have no choice -- for example, at one time, IBM was the largest publisher -- cranking out all the computer manuals. In the case of a vaporizer, smarts can be added to the product.
But i don't see how the herbie is different from the ViVape. Unless they are doing sublimation with all that power.
custom glassworks could justify a higher price, but that's not the herbie's market. And in general, a Cloud-like bong would terrify the herbie market.
The main advantage i see (and experience) with accurate, consistent, digital temperature control is the no-brainer aspect of use. There is NO learning curve. This solves the problem of peeps who can't roll a decent joint and don't want to buy a pipe.
Being able to hit a specific temperature is a side effect of good design -- so go ahead and trumpet it in the marketing literature.
With a new product -- that tries to open up sales to a new demographic -- the maker can either educate the user or put the smarts in the product. Sometimes you have no choice -- for example, at one time, IBM was the largest publisher -- cranking out all the computer manuals. In the case of a vaporizer, smarts can be added to the product.
But i don't see how the herbie is different from the ViVape. Unless they are doing sublimation with all that power.
This is something that I talked about with Josh, and yes that was an Aromed on his desk in the picture.
Beyond the use of a halogen bulb the designs are radically different. The Aromed has no thermal mass, uses a 50W bulb, and its temperature sensor is behind its bulb. The Herbalizer has an optimized amount of thermal mass, a 300W bulb, and has multiple temperature sensors with one being in the airstream right underneath the bowl.
Both can be set in increments of 1F or 1C. However, since the Aromed's temp sensor is behind its bulb and not in the airstream, the setpoint is only a rough estimation. Because it has no thermal mass and uses a low power bulb, it also can't maintain a stable temperature when being used to the level that the Herbalizer can.
We didn't use the Aromed while I was there, but I have used one in the past. From what I remember it took quite a bit longer to heat up initially, and would produce thin vapor if hit hard. The Herbalizer is claimed to maintain temperature within 5F while in use and I believe it. Based on the stuff mentioned above I'd guess with the Aromed it'd be more like 75F.
Numbers aside, I've hit both and wouldn't put them in the same league. Maybe some of the Aromed owners here can comment on some of the above.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
heat up time for one...as well as heat down time (I think).
I would think they would be pimping sublimation by now if that's what was going on here.
hektik8625
Well-Known Member
interesting.....
And the ability to accurately measure, adjust, and maintain air stream temperature in real time. In this photo the pencil is pointing to the viVape's thermal sensor located at the base of its heater.
I posted some Aromed pictures as well, and in the last photo you can see the sensor location behind the bulb.
I think there may be something to this. Cannabis seems to have a lot of goodies that vaporize fairly easily across a relatively large temperature range. Other herbs certainly appear to have less resin and may require more precise conditions to be vaporized effectively.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Well c'mon now - that's the competition? It looks like equipment we built in the '70's.
I don't think so.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
This vape actually has me interested in other herbs. I've always been tempted to dabble, but not knowing at which temps to vape or whether I am hitting them or not has stopped me. I hope they produce some adequate literature on how to use the device with different herbs. I would love to vape some mint or eucalyptus at times.
dormouse
Well-Known Member
I used to do this with the Aromed when I first started vaping. It worked great. Lavender was a very nice sedative. I've been thinking of giving it a try again, just need to find a place to buy herbs in Oslo.
The Aromed website has a lot of information on herbs, symptoms, boiling points, etc.
nopartofme
Over the falls, in a barrel
I'm curious how easily cleanable it is. Trying lots of different herbs in it sounds fun, unless it's a pain to clean out lingering smells and tastes.
Zangano Cruel
IG zan.cru (code) zancru (5% NV checkout discount)
IMO, I tried several herbs in my Solo, they taste ok but definitely you'll need to exchange stems if you don't want to mix flavors, or clean them very well after each herb use...
And it's glass, I can imagine whips or bags really acquiring any flavor and will be a weird taste after
And it's glass, I can imagine whips or bags really acquiring any flavor and will be a weird taste after
brandonflav
mastermind behind the great Vapor Caper
I'm surprised no one has said this yet, guess my mind is just always in the gutter.
When I saw the CAD drawings, birth control is the first thing that popped into my mind. Mystery Vape Message Contest here I come!
When I saw the CAD drawings, birth control is the first thing that popped into my mind. Mystery Vape Message Contest here I come!
mmenzie
My friends call me "Menz"
hello everyone... Joshua from Herbalizer contacted me on facebook and wanted to thank the FC community for their support and to let you all know there is another contest going on their FB page. I apologize in advance to the MODS if this type of thing is not allowed.
***EDIT*** he just sent me this as well for your viewing pleasure
***EDIT*** he just sent me this as well for your viewing pleasure
SD_haze
Well-Known Member
Very cool but I hope there were greens used in the demo
Here's a direct link to the contest. I don't think you need to log into facebook to enter.
http://woobox.com/cjn4ic
Is the fan in the herbalizer capable of on/off function? That would be great to know.
I assume it would have to be - if your not going to blow up bags you wouldn't want the fan or it'll blow away your whole load! (giggity)
Although turning the fan on while in whip mode it would give you one hell of a hit straight shotgun style!
I assume it would have to be - if your not going to blow up bags you wouldn't want the fan or it'll blow away your whole load! (giggity)
Although turning the fan on while in whip mode it would give you one hell of a hit straight shotgun style!
I hope so, While it would give a large hit it would require the removal of the bowl after each hit. The Vivape "suffers" from this "problem".
I tried to register for the sweepstakes, but it says I must log in to see the page, so it looks like you do need a Facebook account to enter.
I tried to register for the sweepstakes, but it says I must log in to see the page, so it looks like you do need a Facebook account to enter.
Yah i should have scrolled down to your post. I saw vtacs post and got excited only to be let down. Lame that you put you email in and then still have to log into fb
dormouse
Well-Known Member
I'm not a native English speaker, nor am I in marketing, but I can't believe a vaporizer manufacturer would go with "Spread the Herbies." I wonder if they include extra mouth pieces.
Another thing, if quality is the big selling point, why all the plastic and no glass?
Does this mean that my FB friends will be thoroughly informed that I would like to win a Herbalizer?
Another thing, if quality is the big selling point, why all the plastic and no glass?
Does this mean that my FB friends will be thoroughly informed that I would like to win a Herbalizer?
preparing for a massive market -- 10s of millions of units.
plus all the advertisers in the universe (and underverse -- Chronicles of Riddick is playing again) -- this will make for some very interesting banner ads as you browse the web. and you'll be getting a few emails.