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BuzzDanklin
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I just spent the last few hours catching up on everything I missed in this thread. I am going to try to touch on the questions I saw. Huge thanks for @VegNVape and everyone else who helped share the reddit content on FC. I only had my phone, so posting on Reddit was an easier option for answer questions:
A few people asked about the the size of the unit. It has a 14mm wide body, and the mouthpiece that comes with it happens to fit perfectly on 14mm glass
A couple questions were about the Mouthpiece material. The Mouthpieces are made of Silicone. They 3d printed a mold, and poured silicone, however they did say that the ones that come with production units will be nicer/better in some way.
There were a few comments about me comparing it to Pax on vapor quality? The comparison to the Pax was a quick off the cuff comment after I had minimal experience and mostly on max temp. Once I started figuring out my draw, pack, and temps, I was able to get much more flavor out of the Grasshopper.
The recharge time I have experiencing is around 90 minutes. With the final production charger, they estimate it will be 50% faster. As of now the battery can only be charged in the unit with the supplied charger cable (It is pass through so you can use the unit while charging) They do have an external charging dock in the works, but its not finalized. They also have spare batteries that can be purchased for $7 (they told us this was essentially cost)
Someone asked about using a digital charger. They did have one in their shop, but they 3d printed the battery holder for their owns size. They used the following settings: LiPo, 3.7v, 2Amp at most.
I wanted to make sure everyone knows the temp dial is not just 5 temps, you can set it anywhere you want in between the numbers.
There was a bit of talk about what exactly they are modifying in the final units compared to the ones I used. First they have a better screen, it is designed, but it wasn't in stock while I was there. Second they are changing the threading slightly on the mouthpiece so it goes on and off with a bit less turning. Third they are changing the charger, they are both making the chord thicker, and they are increasing charging speed by roughly 50%
There were some questions about the unit getting hot. Yes it does get hot if you keep hitting it. It does have a few things going for it that makes it not a big deal for me. First is that it loses heat VERY fast, so if you take a draw, turn it off, and just hold the unit for a few seconds before your next draw, it doesn't get hot. If you want to turn it on high and kill a bowl in a few hits you can put the unit in your pocket for 1-2 minutes and it will be fully cooled down for bowl #2, or if you want to kill bowls fast at high temp and chain them one after another, the silicone mouthpiece makes this possible.
As far as load size goes, I filled it with the herb I have right now, which is a bit more moist than I would prefer, and it fit .30 grams into the chamber. I then took only 3 hits through the D021 in the picture above, and this is the ABV that came out:
I also took an instagramvideo during the 2nd draw (video size limit made me cut out the middle): https://instagram.com/vaporizerwizard/p/0I_tcDrGA9/ (I got even more/denser vapor on the third draw)
A couple people were asking about the differences between the Ti and the SS units. Here is how Trevor explained it to me:
"Ti is more emissive, meaning that it can transfer heat to the environment more quickly. This might seem like a bad thing, but it is actually a good thing. We don't want heat on the outside of the vape, we only want it on the inside. So if the outside starts to become warm we want the heat escaping to the environment as fast as possible and not sitting in the housing building up. This is the property that allows for a bit better performance. If you were drawing on two units, one Ti, one stainless, at the same rate the housing (mouthpiece) of the Ti would heat a bit slower."
Like many of you, I was very skeptical of this vape initially because of the expectations they set for themselves. I was extremely worried that the product wouldn't live up to the hype and It would be awkward if I didn't like it. But so far after a little under a week of use I am still very impressed, especially for the price.
I would love to answer any other questions I haven't addressed, or if there is something I should clarify further. I am also planning on making a small initial thoughts video, what would you like to see in the video? (I am still not ready for my full review video, I want at least another week or testing)
A few people asked about the the size of the unit. It has a 14mm wide body, and the mouthpiece that comes with it happens to fit perfectly on 14mm glass
A couple questions were about the Mouthpiece material. The Mouthpieces are made of Silicone. They 3d printed a mold, and poured silicone, however they did say that the ones that come with production units will be nicer/better in some way.
There were a few comments about me comparing it to Pax on vapor quality? The comparison to the Pax was a quick off the cuff comment after I had minimal experience and mostly on max temp. Once I started figuring out my draw, pack, and temps, I was able to get much more flavor out of the Grasshopper.
The recharge time I have experiencing is around 90 minutes. With the final production charger, they estimate it will be 50% faster. As of now the battery can only be charged in the unit with the supplied charger cable (It is pass through so you can use the unit while charging) They do have an external charging dock in the works, but its not finalized. They also have spare batteries that can be purchased for $7 (they told us this was essentially cost)
Someone asked about using a digital charger. They did have one in their shop, but they 3d printed the battery holder for their owns size. They used the following settings: LiPo, 3.7v, 2Amp at most.
I wanted to make sure everyone knows the temp dial is not just 5 temps, you can set it anywhere you want in between the numbers.
There was a bit of talk about what exactly they are modifying in the final units compared to the ones I used. First they have a better screen, it is designed, but it wasn't in stock while I was there. Second they are changing the threading slightly on the mouthpiece so it goes on and off with a bit less turning. Third they are changing the charger, they are both making the chord thicker, and they are increasing charging speed by roughly 50%
There were some questions about the unit getting hot. Yes it does get hot if you keep hitting it. It does have a few things going for it that makes it not a big deal for me. First is that it loses heat VERY fast, so if you take a draw, turn it off, and just hold the unit for a few seconds before your next draw, it doesn't get hot. If you want to turn it on high and kill a bowl in a few hits you can put the unit in your pocket for 1-2 minutes and it will be fully cooled down for bowl #2, or if you want to kill bowls fast at high temp and chain them one after another, the silicone mouthpiece makes this possible.
As far as load size goes, I filled it with the herb I have right now, which is a bit more moist than I would prefer, and it fit .30 grams into the chamber. I then took only 3 hits through the D021 in the picture above, and this is the ABV that came out:
I also took an instagramvideo during the 2nd draw (video size limit made me cut out the middle): https://instagram.com/vaporizerwizard/p/0I_tcDrGA9/ (I got even more/denser vapor on the third draw)
A couple people were asking about the differences between the Ti and the SS units. Here is how Trevor explained it to me:
"Ti is more emissive, meaning that it can transfer heat to the environment more quickly. This might seem like a bad thing, but it is actually a good thing. We don't want heat on the outside of the vape, we only want it on the inside. So if the outside starts to become warm we want the heat escaping to the environment as fast as possible and not sitting in the housing building up. This is the property that allows for a bit better performance. If you were drawing on two units, one Ti, one stainless, at the same rate the housing (mouthpiece) of the Ti would heat a bit slower."
Like many of you, I was very skeptical of this vape initially because of the expectations they set for themselves. I was extremely worried that the product wouldn't live up to the hype and It would be awkward if I didn't like it. But so far after a little under a week of use I am still very impressed, especially for the price.
I would love to answer any other questions I haven't addressed, or if there is something I should clarify further. I am also planning on making a small initial thoughts video, what would you like to see in the video? (I am still not ready for my full review video, I want at least another week or testing)
BuzzDanklin
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I smeared the AVB on the paper towel afterwards before emptying it into the garbage, zero carbon, zero combustion. I tried to take a few photos, and unfortunately that was the best shot I could get.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Thanks @BuzzDanklin! Glad you got to try it, I was always pretty confident in these guys but nice to see this thing can convert the skeptics too.
Glad to hear about the Pax flavor comparison being high temp big hits, I'll probably be using the temp range you mentioned from 330-385F, I like the low temp effects and flavors. How long would you say a bowl would last temp stepping like that, with medium draw and .2g pack? Do you change temp before clicking it on only, or during too?
Or is it better to finish a whole bowl at one temp than to temp step? Can you kill a bowl at 365? How does that effect battery? Does temp change effect battery, or is just the level - like if I stick to 4.5 as max, is battery noticeably better? What bout riding a whole bowl at level 4, how many of those bowls do you get? Is it best to use a full pack to maximize battery life, or is battery life even longer when less material is used (or is it still 4 bowls regardless)? Is there battery level indication with the LEDs? Like before it dies fully letting you know, or even telling you levels?
What's at the bottom of the chamber, how does it keep herb from falling into heater and its airpathway? Is it better to click on and off or let it autoshut off at 18sec? Have you tried sessioning with another user or two? How did that go? Can you do more comparisons with the Firefly? I know its on demand but I do small sessions with FF and ESV too
This thing really does seem like the Firefly+Elevape+Thermovape enhancement i wanted it to be... So jealous but at least I got an early pre order... Keep up the great work dude (enjoy that v2-7 and Pax2 too!)
Glad to hear about the Pax flavor comparison being high temp big hits, I'll probably be using the temp range you mentioned from 330-385F, I like the low temp effects and flavors. How long would you say a bowl would last temp stepping like that, with medium draw and .2g pack? Do you change temp before clicking it on only, or during too?
Or is it better to finish a whole bowl at one temp than to temp step? Can you kill a bowl at 365? How does that effect battery? Does temp change effect battery, or is just the level - like if I stick to 4.5 as max, is battery noticeably better? What bout riding a whole bowl at level 4, how many of those bowls do you get? Is it best to use a full pack to maximize battery life, or is battery life even longer when less material is used (or is it still 4 bowls regardless)? Is there battery level indication with the LEDs? Like before it dies fully letting you know, or even telling you levels?
What's at the bottom of the chamber, how does it keep herb from falling into heater and its airpathway? Is it better to click on and off or let it autoshut off at 18sec? Have you tried sessioning with another user or two? How did that go? Can you do more comparisons with the Firefly? I know its on demand but I do small sessions with FF and ESV too
This thing really does seem like the Firefly+Elevape+Thermovape enhancement i wanted it to be... So jealous but at least I got an early pre order... Keep up the great work dude (enjoy that v2-7 and Pax2 too!)
jojo0420
Cloud Chaser
Thanks @BuzzDanklin you just ramped up my anticipation!
Seeing the picture with the GH in the glass piece, I'm jealous.
Can't wait to try mine.
Seeing the picture with the GH in the glass piece, I'm jealous.
Can't wait to try mine.
bounce5
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@BuzzDanklin
Can the entire chamber be removed and cleaned like in the Indiegogo video (where they toss the whole moutpiece and herb chamber into a glass of ISO? When I compared that video to your recent pictures I thought it looked like the entire chamber couldn't be removed. Did they change that piece? Can the unit be fully cleaned and made safe for plane travel?
Can the entire chamber be removed and cleaned like in the Indiegogo video (where they toss the whole moutpiece and herb chamber into a glass of ISO? When I compared that video to your recent pictures I thought it looked like the entire chamber couldn't be removed. Did they change that piece? Can the unit be fully cleaned and made safe for plane travel?
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
The design was changed since then, its in the body not the mouthpiece, so you just soak the chamber part in ISO, like fill a glass just high enough to submege the oven upside down but not heater behind it
BuzzDanklin
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Ok, so I found about 10 questions in there, and I only feel comfortable answering a few right now, but I wrote down all of the extra questions, and I will be addressing them after more testing.
Unfortunately I wasn't able to do a lot of consistent battery testing yet. I only ran a full battery at the same heat setting all the way through twice, and I used max temp to push the batteries, both times I got 4 bowls. Otherwise I was just changed temps during batteries, or started recharging before they were dead etc.
Is it better to finish a whole bowl at one temp than to temp step?
So far I have been enjoying both. A few bowls I started low and worked my way up, I have also done a few bowls at various temps in the 3.75-4.25 range from start to finish and enjoyed them. I have also even enjoyed the monster rips I can get on 5 when I am out. For example when I was snowboarding, I would pull it out, and just take 1 good rip, and then put it away. I got 4 or 5 hits that day and it kept me exactly where I wanted to be, without having to waste for than 30 seconds each time I stopped to vape.
Is there battery level indication with the LEDs? Like before it dies fully letting you know, or even telling you levels?
There is no indicator until the battery gets low. It warns you about 1 draw before it shuts off, and then it won't heat once it drops further. Trevor was open to the idea of adding an indicator if someone could think of a way of doing it without making use confusing. (There is only 1 led, and it can only do 2 colors, and they cannot both be on at the same time, so most of the ideas we discussed made regular use confusing) But he said he can modify software up until he gets back from China, so if anyone has any clever ideas for the next 2-3 weeks, its definitely possible to add.
What's at the bottom of the chamber, how does it keep herb from falling into heater and its airpathway?
There is a screen at the bottom of the heating chamber, I will try to get some good photos later, so far its been tough to take a photo of.
Is it better to click on and off or let it autoshut off at 18sec?
I definitely prefer to shut it off, because it conserves battery, keeps the unit cooler, and I assume it saves herb as well. Its crazy how powerful this thing is for its size, it can kick out 45watts, whereas the Crafty is only 27w and the Mighty 30w.
Have you tried sessioning with another user or two? How did that go?
Yes there was 4 people passing one around and we went through two bowls without stopping other than to repack. We did use the mouthpiece though. I also used it a lot of times with 1 other person and we would pass it back and forth until the bowl was finished without the silicone.
Can you do more comparisons with the Firefly?
I will definitely do more comparisons to the Firefly, unfortunately I haven't hit it in about a week due to the trip, and I am also testing the Pax2 and the Series7 at the moment so I probably won't touch on side by side comparisons for a little bit longer.
BuzzDanklin
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They did change that piece. They actually redesigned the body/mouthpiece 5 separate times because they kept being told by manufacturers things weren't possible. The production units you can remove the mouthpiece which has the screen attached and fully submerse than in Iso, the body can only be submersed up to a certain point. Here is a crappy picture of the instructions:
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Haha yeah I went overboard with stream of consciousness thinking, but your early answers already tell me this is pretty much exactly what I want it to be.
You da man Buzz!
You da man Buzz!
bounce5
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@BuzzDanklin Thanks for posting that. That's super informative. Does the fill line let the entire bottom get immersed in ISO for a thorough cleaning? It makes me wonder how many people are going to accidentally go over the intake hole line and ruin it while cleaning....After further testing, I'd like to hear more about how thoroughly the unit can be cleaned using this method and how often it needs to be cleaned through your experience. Thanks again!They did change that piece. They actually redesigned the body/mouthpiece 5 separate times because they kept being told by manufacturers things weren't possible. The production units you can remove the mouthpiece which has the screen attached and fully submerse than in Iso, the body can only be submersed up to a certain point. Here is a crappy picture of the instructions:
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SmorezNTickles
It's real.
How exactly does it indicate the "battery's low?" Like does it flash a certain color? Also, I'm guessing the 2 colors are red and blue?
BuzzDanklin
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Im glad you went overboard, more things for me to have written down while testing. Sometimes I get too many bowls in and I don't even know what I should be testing anymore
I never used them until they NEEDED to be cleaned, however I did clean them before my flights home. The units I brought home both had at least 10 bowls in them (also test various other units in the shop) and it took about 3 minutes to clean them in the hotel with 4 q-tips and some Iso. I didn't have a cup to dip the body in, so I just fill the cap halfway with ISO, and then put a finger on each side and shook it back and forth. Two or three times doing this got the mouthpiece fully clean. Then I just wiped the bowl out with the Q-tips. This worked well and only took a few minutes, but as I mentioned they weren't needing cleaning yet.
I asked them about overfilling, and having it go into the holes. They said theoretically it truly shouldn't even break the unit if you are using ISO, but its still not a smart thing to do. So its best to avoid it.
While the unit is heating up its Red, then when its ready it goes Blue. If the blue light starts blinking fast while you are drawing you are near the end. I actually just had it happen on a bowl a moment ago and I got 3 draws before it died. (including the draw it started blinking on) When it dies it starts blinking the red light fast during your draw.
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SmorezNTickles
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So what if they were to change the program on the LED's to where, let's say, it blinks twice for low, thrice for 50%, four times for 75%, or however else they want to assign it? They could even use the red flashes for anything below 50% and blue for anything above?
BuzzDanklin
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When would you have the blinks occur? The potential problem I can think of is that it heats up so quick. So when you turn it on, its about 5 seconds max to heat up, even outdoors in the cold. If its even partially warmed up, its already switching from red(warming up) to blue(ready) within a second or so. This would make it tough to show battery when the unit was first turned on. Maybe they could have it indicate the battery charge with the blue light right when it is heated and ready?
caves
Living the vape life
Maybe give the blue "on" light a slow blink starting at 25% battery or so? Something like one second on, half a second off? It could speed up once the battery gets really low.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Im glad you went overboard, more things for me to have written down while testing. Sometimes I get too many bowls in and I don't even know what I should be testing anymore
Now that's what I like to hear!
I think the battery indicator isn't such a big deal if its consistently 4ish bowls, then I'd probably be swapping them every 3 bowls (since I ordered 3 batteries) unless I really needed more before getting to recharge, and that's easy to count for me (at least I think! Who knows with this power?!). Good for li ions not to be fully drained anyhow right? Or doesn't matter with Hopper maybe?
I liked smorez's suggestion, but with instant on you're right it could be tricky... Maybe it always blinks for heat up, but when battery is 100-40% its blinking blue, and when its below 40% it blinking red when heating up? And it can be solid blue when heated up, and go red if its close to dying during a session
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BuzzDanklin
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They mentioned the unit has battery protection software so it won't discharge it too far, so I got the vibe you could fully drain them and then recharge, but better safe than sorry if you have the option. The extra batteries are so cheap, might as well get one or two, Trevor mentioned someone ordered 12
I am hoping we can compile a bunch of suggestions for battery indicators and just send them all the ideas, and see if they bite on anything.
°k
The sound of vapor
How about:
- showing the battery level when you switch it on using 4 consecutive blinks:
- 4 blue blinks = above 75%
- 3 blue/1 red = between 50% and 75%
- 2 blue /2 red = between 25% and 50%
- 1 blue/3 red = under 25%
- while in use when reaching the same battery levels the lights could blink the same way once
SmorezNTickles
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Have it blink right when it starts up, because there isn't a need for the red light when it's turned on instantly.
Another option popped up in my head:
When you power on, it blinks red however many times they decide to increment, then once blue to signal the transition to the pre-heat, and then red for their original "heating."
This would also "cut down" the heat up time for us as it would give us a few seconds to be distracted
EDIT: I'm a grammar nazi.
JiggyJack
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How about a mix of Shit Snacks and °k?
During heat up it flashes as follows:
[Battery Level] [LED]
51-100% Flashes Blue
50% Alternate Blue/Red
20% Flashes Red
When ready at all levels it stays steady blue.
I think I'd only be interested in knowing when the battery is half full to get a heads up and then again while there's something more than three draws left.
During heat up it flashes as follows:
[Battery Level] [LED]
51-100% Flashes Blue
50% Alternate Blue/Red
20% Flashes Red
When ready at all levels it stays steady blue.
I think I'd only be interested in knowing when the battery is half full to get a heads up and then again while there's something more than three draws left.
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