Dejavu
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big response, I got to the subjective part and stopped reading sadly....I said this was all my opinion and it doesn't mean shit.I don't know how you can really define most exactly, or people who aren't super new, but I disagree that he is the only person testing things before market, in fact there are plenty things he doesn't test at all? So many different levels of makers and products, the more you are here you can see the history of how so much testing has been done by members of the community (partially how Troy began as well)
I mean, that's just it, and why most people don't even care to vape at all, if you just want to "get stoned" there are many things that do that adequately, but there are different styles of vapes, aside from materials and power levels, these affect things differently, huge variable would be the actual user too (devices like pax are extremely popular because they are simple and try to universalize the experience user to user but that sacrifice is versatility and some capability as many of us discovered) There actually are quite a few different types of ball vapes, injector and diffuser style, many differences between them though all effective, but there are differences in the air flow, the materials, and other such things as I touched on above (I describe many like taking a flower dab, I think its more how you use it, you just need enough power to be able to do a quick full extraction through water in that way, still not actually the same as a dab, and there are so many variables with dabbing and concentrates too) Not sure what you have experience with to compare to?
You're speaking subjectively, no offense taken, but you can't measure his trust or how he is making a living? Again, he was originally commenting here, there are others who have done the same, built up review reputations, some already have some beginning and come here to do both... I trust so many of the members here so much more than I trust his opinion, he's had many great contributions, but since he grew more into a video personality, I personally trust him far less, and have seen him fail to use vapes properly often without ever correcting himself)
I do not own one of these, I said I've been following from the start over here, pretty sure there was another thread about it originally too? I also do not make videos of myself, although I think I could do a good job explaining and showing different vapes, I'm not sure that's the life I want right now (and producing quality videos alone is extremely difficult)
And for the record I replied to you, to try to explain my understanding of the device, sharing opinions on Troy is also not uncommon here and there are other kids about that and it's come up in the past, I am far from the only one who feels this way here is all I'm saying...
He wasn't paid anything? he was given the device perhaps for free as he is many others, but possible he paid for it. I'm not saying that he does this so they will then pay him to say something good? I am saying I don't put much stock in his opinion, aside from the bias, like I said I have seen him fail to use various devices properly and his so-called video reviews, and then never revisit them again (even things he was provided for free) though I respect his integrity to a certain extent to not trash everything that isn't made by brands that offer him commission or whatever, I don't really respect his, imo, careless use styles as a supposed professional reviewer... No bones, just a personal opinion, that he doesn't care about lol
I'm not sure what you mean exactly by super OG, that's not quite me? I came in when the market was exploding a bit, especially with imported options becoming viable, but it was already substantial... certainly do not have the mindset of "I will take a chance on anything because everything else is crap" I've had many satisfying vapes, the problem is you always compromise something, there can always be something better in some way, sacrifice something else, little variations and differences that change the experience in various ways... Its really not that simple anymore imo (also Amazon is pretty far from perfect and deserving of plenty hate despite their inherent convenience lol)
Mike Tyson is a trusted name?? Willie Nelson, Cheech and Chong, branded products, rebrands from China typically, hit or miss quality, I think a lot of people might try this stuff and be disappointed then give up? Some people use it to find the real good stuff though, I mean most common from the reddit times would be snoop dogg original Gpen (poor suckers who bought that lol)
My understanding is most people, don't care about vaping, if they're interested to get high they will just smoke, or if they have a problem with that they will turn to edibles, or disposable oil pens first and likely stop there, more often than not...
So this product is not at all aimed at those consumers, my understanding is that it is fulfilling the niche it has focused on pretty well?
I thought most people were into it bc they liked his personality actually? But yes exactly, why not combust? I'm not sure what you mean people using for health reasons are going to be long gone soon, isn't their goal to live long by pursuing better health?!? lol
Troy gets paid to do it. I trust him more than I do others. I do not know how the industry works, I just watch here and there and more curious about the business aspect and how people take direction with their small business more than anything.
TLDR for me is, I'm interested in the product, want to learn more, i am experienced a little with vapes but I don't have a degree in engineering. I know you can find someone with a title to fit whatever narrative. Which you hinted back that Troy is trying to make this look bad for $$ or lack there of...
Goodluck to the creator and I hope to see this grow into the standard if it is as good as the theories people try to engineer into reality. I was curious if the coil thing to the bowl but I'm not sure if that would be extended to only the kettle? I will keep my post from being too long. My opinion is nothing more than that as i said before.
I don't keep stats on how much Troy cheers but we can clearly tell when there isn't one. It was just a really odd approach to how he presented it to the world. I'm not into portables much.
This is the biggest discussion I've seen in most threads, I don't know if I said something that struck a nerve but I never said anything I said was fact, I even said it wasn't nothing but a random opinion.
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