It's interesting that my experience is different from many other owners who are contributing to this thread. I feel that the FF is one of the more difficult portable vapes to master. At this point I think I would recommend almost any of my portable vapes to someone new to vaping, rather than the FF.
I am generally excited to try new techniques, grinds, screens, space capsules, etc... in my FF, but I do not feel that this vape is easy to use right out of the box. I have had some rewarding sessions with it, but I feel I have a lot more work to do before I settle into a routine with the FF.
Its weird cuz I just had combustion occur. I have no baskets or extra screens and BAM ignition on my first hit. Just when I think I got the right moves something strange like this occurs.
Can you describe your method for pushing the power button? Do you only press once and hold while you draw then let go of the button and continue to draw after the release? Are you using the carb method I read about where you press and let go of the power button a number of times during your draw?Its weird cuz I just had combustion occur. I have no baskets or extra screens and BAM ignition on my first hit. Just when I think I got the right moves something strange like this occurs.
It's a full convection vape mate!!! Of course it tastes better than the conduction oven the PAX is. The only reason I can think you'd want to get a Pax is if you wanna vape in public and not been noticed… And because you might just like how it looks!Can someone direct me to a video of this in use? I read the last 15 pages and just found pictures and techniques? I am debating between this and the pax and would like to see vids of actual users first. Also I really didn't see size comparisons? Is it about the size of your hand? Is the efficiency and taste that much better than the pax(because I love in a non med state ATM and stealth is nice to have)?
See that's the thing. This would be my on the go portable so it would be being used outside of bars or wherever I'm at. If the firefly is small enough I could probably get away with it without much interest. But he pax would be easier but then I heard that it's smelly when it's on?It's a full convection vape mate!!! Of course it tastes better than the conduction oven the PAX is. The only reason I can think you'd want to get a Pax is if you wanna vape in public and not been noticed… And because you might just like how it looks!
Can you describe your method for pushing the power button? Do you only press once and hold while you draw then let go of the button and continue to draw after the release? Are you using the carb method I read about where you press and let go of the power button a number of times during your draw?
On the baskets making things taste funny/possible conduction: Some of this will take place because of the sides of the basket in my opinion. more metal in contact with the herb means more conduction. This metal is also in the beginning of the vapor path where heat is highest. Some of the hot air is going to flow along the sides of the metal baskets as well because this will be the path of least resistance.
See that's the thing. This would be my on the go portable so it would be being used outside of bars or wherever I'm at. If the firefly is small enough I could probably get away with it without much interest. But he pax would be easier but then I heard that it's smelly when it's on?
Can someone direct me to a video of this in use? I read the last 15 pages and just found pictures and techniques? I am debating between this and the pax and would like to see vids of actual users first. Also I really didn't see size comparisons? Is it about the size of your hand? Is the efficiency and taste that much better than the pax(because I love in a non med state ATM and stealth is nice to have)?
Damn it!!! Now i'm going to have to get both.
It's a full convection vape mate!!! Of course it tastes better than the conduction oven the PAX is.
Damn it!!! Now i'm going to have to get both.
Respectfully disagree. Taste is subjective.
I think the Pax tastes better than the FF. I may be in the minority, but I am not alone.
This is the correct answer. I have both and they each serve their own purpose beautifully. I wouldn't give up either of them.
It all tastes good to me, but I am definitely not a "supertaster" which is a real ability that about 25% of the population have. You can get tested for it, and it is a genetic variant that has pro's and con's just like all of our abilities under different circumstances. I would love to have the pax too! I went with the FF because I knew the vapor would be cooler. For stealth though I'd no doubt go with the pax.I generally find the pax to provide better flavor but every so often I'm surprised by what the ff produces but generally don't find it as flavorful as the pax. If the pax was able to heat up in 8 seconds it would trump the ff IMO. But it doesn't so I find them BOTH to be must haves!
It all tastes good to me, but I am definitely not a "supertaster" which is a real ability that about 25% of the population have. You can get tested for it, and it is a genetic variant that has pro's and con's just like all of our abilities under different circumstances. I would love to have the pax too! I went with the FF because I knew the vapor would be cooler. For stealth though I'd no doubt go with the pax.
I am a super taster lol. Does that change anything?It all tastes good to me, but I am definitely not a "supertaster" which is a real ability that about 25% of the population have. You can get tested for it, and it is a genetic variant that has pro's and con's just like all of our abilities under different circumstances. I would love to have the pax too! I went with the FF because I knew the vapor would be cooler. For stealth though I'd no doubt go with the pax.
I am a super taster lol. Does that change anything?
Respectfully disagree. Taste is subjective.
I wish I had an answer for that. My sister is a super taster and will only eat a small variety of things. I've always loved just about everything out there including brussel sprouts. From what I've read you will be happy with either device!I am a super taster lol. Does that change anything?
Damn it!!! Now i'm going to have to get both.
I have both the Pax and FF... Get both , b/c there will be a pro about one and a cone about the other, blah blah...but in my opinion the FF is the better one, if you had to choose one. I haven't picked up my Pax since I bought FF...(you can buy mine )
After more testing, I am now settled to... "native", .05 fine grind (at home), and top screen...
Only if I know I need quick fast pop and go (which happens from time to time when out and about) will i actually resort to the basket...There is virtually no cleaning hassle using the native bowl besides blow/swab(optional)/blow technique...
but that lid? I am completely spoiled from the top screen...I am using those ones you get from a convenience store, cigarette shop...they are already the perfect size, they are thin like the stock screens, but big enough to cover to entire bowl, and "fit" under the lid just right...I still have to swab the lid, but it is 98% cleaner...
So the screen gives me the less mess/fine grind (which i prefer), and native bowl, still provides the taste/richer hits..and with fine grind, I dont have to open and stir...just shake
I want to personally thank mitchgo61 (for screen idea ), natural farmer (1.for commenting on the amount.. Im now down to .05, shaking those bits all around like little itty bitty lottery balls, winning every draw ),and 2. bringing back up the screen idea )
I ended up trying the basket idea before just trying the screen w/o the basket...so with your help I've found the TWO best ways to efficiently medicate based on my circumstance
I wonder if the folks who've done it successfully without combusting have one of those "cold units" the FF folks told me were floating around...
Maybe the "cold" units are cool enough that they can tolerate the extra heat generated with a top screen.
You *do* need to spend more time with it. Took some of us a few weeks to really find the rhythm.
Question for other owners: Do you feel vapor production while you're pressing the button? If so, how soon after you press the button do you feel it?