Discontinued The Firefly Vaporizer
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The Firefly Concentrate Pads work very well with liquids. I have had mine for over a month and have no problems.
studmuffin
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Hodor, Read my reviews/updates of my concentrate pad experience. 
Update # 4: I only use wax concentrate in my Firefly. Using shwax or shatter really gums up the inside of the cover. I have a sweet Dr. Dabber vaporizer pen for shwax. Also, as for the amount of wax I use per session, it is still the size of an uncooked grain of rice. Afterall, it is "Blue Dream", at 87.7 % THC. Schwwennggggggggg ! WooHoo ! ! 
Update # 4: I only use wax concentrate in my Firefly. Using shwax or shatter really gums up the inside of the cover. I have a sweet Dr. Dabber vaporizer pen for shwax. Also, as for the amount of wax I use per session, it is still the size of an uncooked grain of rice. Afterall, it is "Blue Dream", at 87.7 % THC. Schwwennggggggggg ! WooHoo ! ! 
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
Finally got my second replacement (after trying to figure out why the previous Firefly seemed to have stronger draw resistance than my first one, which worked fine but had a flickering indicator light).
Bottom line, I am happier with this one, and intend to stick with it (assuming no problems arise). While the initial draw resistance seems about the same as my second unit -- harder than my first unit -- I am certain the coil brightens more quickly and vigorously than the second one (as seen through clean glass). As a result, I don't have to pull as hard, which, I think, is less disruptive to the material, causing less clogging -- which had been leading to the need for constant cleaning with the last unit to stave off an almost impossibly hard draw resistance. That's my theory anyway.
Since I'm almost certain the first, flickering unit had significantly easier resistance, I wonder if a design change (maybe the added lip on the porcelain holding the metal plate?) has restricted air flow somewhat. While I loved the performance of that first unit (except for the flickering indicator), I believe I will be fairly satisfied with this third one because it does not run so cool as the second. It's too bad, though, if Firefly had to increase draw resistance in order to fix other problems (like maybe the combustion?) since its reputation for an easy draw was the main reason I chose Firefly over the Pax in the first place. Still, with this unit's livelier coil, I can successfully simulate an easier draw by relaxing my lips, so that a little extra air comes in around the mouthpiece. (BTW, my comparisons of draw resistance include breathing in through a clean, empty unit -- so I don't believe any difference in material or packing explains the varying resistance.)
This third unit was the first I received that came with a 770 battery, so it's probably somewhat of a later generation than the others. However, I already had acquired a backup 770 battery, so the battery does not account for the hotter coil. I do think it's important for FF to make sure their FF2 units run more consistently.
Still, I'm pleased that Firefly (along with Vape World) has accommodated two exchanges without protest!
Bottom line, I am happier with this one, and intend to stick with it (assuming no problems arise). While the initial draw resistance seems about the same as my second unit -- harder than my first unit -- I am certain the coil brightens more quickly and vigorously than the second one (as seen through clean glass). As a result, I don't have to pull as hard, which, I think, is less disruptive to the material, causing less clogging -- which had been leading to the need for constant cleaning with the last unit to stave off an almost impossibly hard draw resistance. That's my theory anyway.
Since I'm almost certain the first, flickering unit had significantly easier resistance, I wonder if a design change (maybe the added lip on the porcelain holding the metal plate?) has restricted air flow somewhat. While I loved the performance of that first unit (except for the flickering indicator), I believe I will be fairly satisfied with this third one because it does not run so cool as the second. It's too bad, though, if Firefly had to increase draw resistance in order to fix other problems (like maybe the combustion?) since its reputation for an easy draw was the main reason I chose Firefly over the Pax in the first place. Still, with this unit's livelier coil, I can successfully simulate an easier draw by relaxing my lips, so that a little extra air comes in around the mouthpiece. (BTW, my comparisons of draw resistance include breathing in through a clean, empty unit -- so I don't believe any difference in material or packing explains the varying resistance.)
This third unit was the first I received that came with a 770 battery, so it's probably somewhat of a later generation than the others. However, I already had acquired a backup 770 battery, so the battery does not account for the hotter coil. I do think it's important for FF to make sure their FF2 units run more consistently.
Still, I'm pleased that Firefly (along with Vape World) has accommodated two exchanges without protest!
slick
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I read a lot about how cool the vapor is coming out of the FF. But for those of you who think so I have to ask: cool compared to what?
Don't get me wrong I love my ff, but I never really agreed with the "cool vapor" part of reviews. When I think "cool", I think of hookah smoke. When I think "hot" I think cigarettes. Granted one of those has the advantage of being water cooled, but its just to set up a frame of reference. In your opinion is the FF vapor cool compared to other vapes or just cool period? What is you frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong I love my ff, but I never really agreed with the "cool vapor" part of reviews. When I think "cool", I think of hookah smoke. When I think "hot" I think cigarettes. Granted one of those has the advantage of being water cooled, but its just to set up a frame of reference. In your opinion is the FF vapor cool compared to other vapes or just cool period? What is you frame of reference?
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
Cool compared to every other vape I've ever used. By a wide margin, including top shelf desktop convection vapes. Cool like you can't believe. Compared to combustion? Ice Station Zebra cool.
Great to hear things are working better for you Petey! As for the restriction issue...I doubt the slightly different design of the top ceramic ring is making the difference. Since I have two of the "newer" FFs, and presumably they both have that same design, you would think they would have the same restriction issues...but one has a significantly "airier" draw than the other. (I know this is a small data set, but I still doubt the ring design makes any real difference.) I still cannot wrap my head around what makes the difference in restriction from one unit to another...it's clearly a function of the seal, and the airpaths, but beyond that I'm stumped.
As for the "livelier" coil, that's great news. As has been discussed to death, no two FF's seem the same in this regard. Further, I would swear that every FF I've had (for more than 90 days anyway!
) has gotten cooler over time, as if the aging of the coil made it less efficient. When I asked Sasha about this, he actually agreed that they can and do change over time as the coil breaks in. I wonder if the FF2 will be more consistent unit-to-unit....I'm not convinced. Seems like there's something about the fundamental design of the FF that makes each unit a little different from every other one...and makes each FF different over time. Pretty freaking weird. 
Good to hear you are a happier FFer now that you have a new one. Thanks for the update. Vape on, my friend.
I have a Hammer and esv. My firefly wins hands down for the tastiest, coolest vapor then the other two. My Hammer is the most efficient out of the three and great for a session but vapor can be on the warm to hot side.. My esv is the most stealthy and convenient to grab for on the go. Vapor is cool but I still feel a bit of a tickle in the back of my throat from the heat. Not fun when it combust either which it can do unexpectedly. But my firefly is still my favorite when I want to just kick back and enjoy pure flavor, the vapor is so 'cool ' that I am still amazed how much vapor I can exhale when it seems I'm not getting a hit at all. The firefly for me is best enjoyed like a fine glass of scotch. Never had it combust on me no matter how hard I lean on the button.
Thanks Mitch, for all your help. I'm sure you'll post if you ever figure out what could be causing the restriction variations. I'd try a hack if I knew what I was doing, but even after viewing all the schematics and videos I still don't quite understand the air flow process. But, yeah, for now I feel like I've got a vape that serves my needs better than any other.
StonedPerk
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FF has the best vapor quality than any other portable on the market to date it even outshines mighty and crafty and those are $400 and better. As for pax , only reason they sell so much is because they have the best marketing in the vape industry they even have paxchella lol there very own coachella belive me if FireFly had their marketing the way pax did and also had their very own Fireflyella they would also be selling like crack.Not that it's applicable to the FF topic, but while I agree that user replaceable batteries would be preferable in most circumstances, I'm not sure it's really a "major misunderstanding" of the market. Pax is probably the best selling vape of all time at over half a million units moved. The Pax2, without a replaceable battery, is off to a very good start sales-wise. I think you are right that many folks want replaceable batteries, but not all users would enjoy dealing with the exigencies of such a feature, as is obvious by the brisk Pax sales.
No one ever claimed it was perfect. And it's not really been around a long time...less than 18 months on the market, still on V1, and most of their issues have been QC problems with manufacturing, so saying they haven't gotten their "tech down" is not really accurate. Yes, to the user, who cares where the failures start...it's still a hassle. But the FF, for a first gen portable, has about an average stability and an average or better failure rate (around 1%). You cannot extrapolate the failure rate from FC posts....I've had three fail for every one that hasn't, so far, but that's nowhere near the failure rate overall, obviously. If I have a huge jar of colored marbles, and I pull out one red and one green, can I extrapolate that the jar is half green and half red? I could, but I'd be stunningly wrong.
If you don't have the stomach to deal with first gen issues, I agree, avoid it. The FF2 will likely be more stable than the FF1, god willing. But the vapor the FF delivers is second to none, something you have to experience to understand and enjoy. And if you let the perfect be the enemy of the good (or in the FF case, the awesome!
UnshavenFish
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Just a thought on the whole restriction thing, how about the gasket in the lid? If its slightly thicker it could give a larger/taller air path after the bowl 
not sure if this has been mentioned.
not sure if this has been mentioned.
ataxian
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Cool compared to every other vape I've ever used. By a wide margin, including top shelf desktop convection vapes. Cool like you can't believe. Compared to combustion? Ice Station Zebra cool.
Great to hear things are working better for you Petey! As for the restriction issue...I doubt the slightly different design of the top ceramic ring is making the difference. Since I have two of the "newer" FFs, and presumably they both have that same design, you would think they would have the same restriction issues...but one has a significantly "airier" draw than the other. (I know this is a small data set, but I still doubt the ring design makes any real difference.) I still cannot wrap my head around what makes the difference in restriction from one unit to another...it's clearly a function of the seal, and the airpaths, but beyond that I'm stumped.
As for the "livelier" coil, that's great news. As has been discussed to death, no two FF's seem the same in this regard. Further, I would swear that every FF I've had (for more than 90 days anyway!
Good to hear you are a happier FFer now that you have a new one. Thanks for the update. Vape on, my friend.
Couldnt agree more, definwtely a cool vaper. The unit gets warm after usage, but the air being pulled out isnt even warm here lol. FF really did a good job on the design.
Id say the 'coolness' can be compared to just breathing air in your local room ambient temperature.
Also my unit is tightly sealed, and i got the newest design ceramic design wise, the draw resistance on my unit is pretty low, in fact i can suck hard enough to get out of the 'sweetspot' if you know what i mean.
But i know it is either way sealed off properly, also when i pack the bowl very densely i can notice it while pulling air from it, suck hard enough and the mats pop to the top glass. So densely packed should (imho) increase resistance.
Despite that, in neither condition the resistsnce is too much here.
Just a thought on the whole restriction thing, how about the gasket in the lid? If its slightly thicker it could give a larger/taller air path after the bowl
you mean the screen? i once tried stacking two on top, significantly increased resistance and made the experience worse
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UnshavenFish
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Ah no i was having a forgetful moment
, i was talking about the grey/silver rubbery bit in the lid that makes the seal between the lid and base, but forgot @petey had already mentioned that he was comparing resistance from the bowl/chamber and not the mouthpiece.I'm sure these will all be standard size anyway, it was just a random half baked thought
Personally I've never tried anything other than standard setup as I've had great results from day one (after the first few bowls) it really feels like my firefly was made custom for me
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
Ah no i was having a forgetful moment
I'm sure these will all be standard size anyway, it was just a random half baked thought
Not at all...as they said in a famous movie, it was fully-baked.
The lid is a critical piece of the draw resistance, and somehow "standard" doesn't seem as standard with the FF as you'd expect. If you swap lids on an FF you will notice a difference in draw...just like if you squeeze it while drawing you can feel more resistance. I've usually chalked it up to difference in magnet strength from lid to lid, but small differences in that seal could cause it or magnify it as well. So I agree with you...put it on the suspect list.
Did anyone notice that he assembled it incorrectly? He placed the small black o-ring beneath the metal plate (see 6:12). It is supposed to be above the metal plate, surrounding the screen. That way it prevents material from working its way around the screen and into the heating chamber.
marduk
daydreamer
Nice catch!
slick
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Not at all...as they said in a famous movie, it was fully-baked.
So I agree with you...put it on the suspect list.
Did not realize there was so much potential variability in draw resistance between units. Maybe that could explain my warmer then expected vapor. I hope the FF v2 will be more consistent.
murf2010
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I'm a daytime sipper with dative strains; couple draws here and there and a heavy indica user at night. I've been looking left and right for a deal on a mighty or a crafty but they're just so expensive. This actually seems like it would be a perfect fit for my needs and less expensive. Any input would be awesome. I also love that maintenance on it is really easy. I do however enjoy the option of controlling the temperature depending on my medical needs through the day. This just seem like it fm hovers around 400 degrees. Is there anything I should know before maybe buying one? I hear the company might have something more in the works
Murf, I also worried I'd be giving something up by not being able to set a precise temperature. But the FF actually gives me more control (even if I don't see a digital temp readout) because I can tell it exactly when to apply heat (and how much) -- instead of having my material sit and bake needlessly in a pre-heated oven. Works for my needs really well.
Shit Snacks
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Yeah I'm waiting on grasshopper for precise portable convection temp control (even elevape its not perfect, though it has more variability than firefly with many temps, but all user/draw depending).
But the firefly is so fun regardless, its good to have another vape with temp control so you have it, but the firefly really is a great way to vape, especially a whole nug start to finish, breaking it in between, its really fun to just have a straight fill vape experience for a bowl. A great way to appreciate a new strain as well.
I dont think the firefly is the perfect cover all, but in a line up at least it is a damn fine vape. Especially for sporadic hits, one at a time, it really shines. For low temps, just dont hold the button as long, and dont increase your draw speed too much. Also be sure to stir a lot for that, but really every firefly is different. My first was lower temp, more like 380 max or so, but didn't need any stirring. Really loved that one
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
You won't find precise temp control an issue...as others have mentioned, the on-demand ability to apply heat pretty much mitigates dialing in specific temps. Yes, it takes a bit to get used to using it, but once you do, you'll find temp control pretty intuitive. You should also know that there's a learning curve, and every FF seems to be a bit different in certain specs, so it's a good idea not to bring too much in the way of pre-conceived notions to your first few sessions.
As for something new in the works...they confirmed this several months ago, but still no word about it, or any sense of dates. Knowing how these guys operate, I doubt we'll get any advance word...I think there will be new FFs one day available for pre-order when we wake up, as a nice little surprise!
Meantime, you could be waiting another six months or longer for it to come out. Or it could be here tomorrow. No way of knowing at this point.- Status