Discontinued The Firefly Vaporizer

[grokit]

 

[lazylathe]

So after a very stooopid move last night, i almost combusted!
Thought it would be cool to torn the lights off and see the glow...forgot my finger on the button!

Vape smelled awful!!!

ISO wiped numerous times and she was good to go again!

Onto tonight's sessions!
AWESOMENESS!!!
All sessions have been pretty spot on!
3 sessions tonight with tiny loads, maybe a 1/4 of what i usually go through!
My technique so far is this:
770 mah battery fully charged.
Very loose load, mainly just crumbled bud directly into the chamber.
Hold button down for 5 seconds
Inhale for 20 seconds.
Exhale very nice, flavourful clouds!
As the session goes on and the FF heats up, the second count reduces down to about 10.

Very happy with this vape!!!
Not sure if the new versions are that much better than what i have.
If they are, an upgrade will be required!

 

[Archer75]

I've never had fast heat up times on my firefly. Holding the button for 5-10 seconds and then drawing results in nothing. Instead I hold it down for 8, off for 1 and then hold for 8 again. I repeat this 4 or 5 times until the firefly feels warm and then draw while holding the button down. This is the only way I will exhale a nice cloud.

 

[maxe]

Yes I tried toggling with no result, the company have advised me to try the 770 battery first and see how I go, when the thing dies all lights go out, total darkness I'm afraid!, anyway I'm hoping its just the battery and not a heating coil, we will see how things go.

Up until a couple of weeks ago the unit has been very good without any real issues, I still love the firefly and its taste is unsurpassed IMHO.

Does the light stay green and the bowl stops heating? Or do you get a fast red light?

If the latter, toggle off and on again and see if that fixes it for a full cycle. If it's the former, you probably have a dead heating coil...it's happened twice to me. FF will replace the unit for you in that case. Good luck!

 

[RelaxedNow]

Just yesterday, I realized I'd gotten into the habit of draining the battery on my Firefly, then charging it while I toke on my ESV, back to the Firefly, and so on. Nothing against the ESV, but I do prefer the Firefly.

So, @grokit, thanks for posting Firefly's HAPPY420 discount code. It's a lot easier to justify (at least in my own mind) spending on vaporizers and accessories when I hold out for a deal, so I finally ordered the extra battery and charger that I've been wanting. My tastebuds will appreciate this, while the ESV will rest a bit more.

In the past several months, I've purchased a Herbalizer, slightly used, for about $400 (~40% discount, bought from another FC member), was gifted(!!) the Firefly for Christmas, and bought a new ESV for $175 (50% discount that I also found on this site). So, largely thanks to FC and its members, I've done pretty well with my efforts at being a cheap-ass.

 

[mitchgo61]

I've never had fast heat up times on my firefly. Holding the button for 5-10 seconds and then drawing results in nothing. Instead I hold it down for 8, off for 1 and then hold for 8 again. I repeat this 4 or 5 times until the firefly feels warm and then draw while holding the button down. This is the only way I will exhale a nice cloud.

Hmmm. Might have a cool unit. Try this....

1. Hold down the button for a full cycle, 30 seconds, until the green stops flashing. Do not draw at all.
2. Now, hold down the button for a four count. Begin hitting.
3. Keep hitting with the button down for at least 15-20 seconds.

Also, pack the bowl densely before you start. If this doesn't provide you with thick, large hits, it might be time to consider a replacement FF.

 

[Archer75]

Oh it works fine if I let it heat up. I also tested the extra battery I got which is a 770 and with it I can draw after 5 seconds. The 750 battery it came with is the one I have to let the firefly heat up more with.

 

[mitchgo61]

Oh it works fine if I let it heat up. I also tested the extra battery I got which is a 770 and with it I can draw after 5 seconds. The 750 battery it came with is the one I have to let the firefly heat up more with.

You may have a unit that runs a little cool. If you aren't happy, don't hesitate to call FF...they will replace it if you are unhappy with its performance. Good luck!

 

[grokit]

Oh it works fine if I let it heat up. I also tested the extra battery I got which is a 770 and with it I can draw after 5 seconds. The 750 battery it came with is the one I have to let the firefly heat up more with.

See if you can exchange the 750 for a 770, problem solved

 

[Archer75]

I contacted them and was told batteries only have a 30 day warranty. However they will make an exception and send out a new battery right away. No hassle!

 

[mitchgo61]

I contacted them and was told batteries only have a 30 day warranty. However they will make an exception and send out a new battery right away. No hassle!

Nice. They are so great!

Interesting that your "coolness" only happens with the 750. Never noticed any heat or functionality issues with the 750s...just lousy battery life. Curious to see how your FF fares over time with just the 770s.

 

[Samz]

I've never had fast heat up times on my firefly. Holding the button for 5-10 seconds and then drawing results in nothing. Instead I hold it down for 8, off for 1 and then hold for 8 again. I repeat this 4 or 5 times until the firefly feels warm and then draw while holding the button down. This is the only way I will exhale a nice cloud.

I am having similar problem - Just got a Firefly direct from manufacturer - shipped with a 750 battery - thing barely produces any vap. Ok - with a fully charged battery and fresh bowl - maybe one descent hit.

I called - thanks to this forum - and they are sending a new 770 battery at no charge - will let you know if it improves the situation.

Kind of begs the question of why they are sending out new units with the 750 battery. If I had not hunted around for this forum and read about the battery issue, I would have returned it or just been pissed off that I spend so much $$. I would have to recommend the PAX 2 over firefly at this point, but will reserve judgement.

Will report back after battery arrives.

 

[kahlilhc]

Been loving my Firefly!
I brought it on my snow trip to be the Instant-Electric portable. Although I underestimated how the cold would suck the power from the batts, as well as the disadvantage of convection in a cold environment. I picked up a Vapium for the outside cold sessions, and Firefly/Vapman have been kicking my ass everywhere else......Me and FF been having some good times.
Gondola sesh


Took her mountain biking



And having one last bowl of that BC Bud, while typing this, waiting for my flight


Firefly!!!

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Still loving my one 770 batt.

Seems to be, on FC, pretty much unanimously praised, and with good cause.

Now, is that because the last batch of 750s were so lame? Or is it because the 770s are just that good? I think it's because the 770s are just that good. I find them to be a major step forward, and a major response to those who think the FF's battery life isn't good enough.

Being a lightweight, I only go out with the one batt these days - don't even think about it. I know it will last me until I get home. Still wouldn't recommend the FF with 770 to a heavyweight though, unless he/she is using it exclusively at home with an extra batt and external charger, AND another vaporizer around. Let's be realistic here.

Sorry to those still getting some of those last batches of 750s. That is fucking bullshit, and better be accidental. I do hope this is the last we ever hear of them - they don't seem to be working well for anyone. I had two duds myself.

Just ordered two more of the 770s last Friday - before the damn 420 sale .

I guess I was thinking that since the FF company likes to pretend people are using this for tobacco and legal herbs only, they wouldn't connect themselves to something like "420." Stupid me.

Still wish they'd give us a taste of what they're trying for in the fabled FF 2.0 - I'm starting to think it's only a figment of @mitchgo61 's imagination. Hell, it was probably one of his daydreams he came up with during one of his 30-minute mind-numbing soul-crushing guitar solos... Guh.

Will it be as groundbreaking as the FF was / is? A true instant convection electric portable that, a year and a half later, has no real competition in the category other than a glorified beta unit or a unit (units) that still isn't ready to be shipped? Feel free to correct me here - I can take it. I'm a big boy.

Or will it be like the Air is to the Solo - an "evolution" not a "revolution," as they say.

I'm getting rather excited to find out, as the FF team's first effort still seems to be way, way, way ahead of the curve of the type of vape they set out to make - a sleek, sexy, no-waiting, full convection portable that is designed in such a way as to allow "bondage" between the user and device - i.e., the window and glow and ergonomics - no silicone sleeve required!

The FF is a labor of true love, make no mistake about it. For fuck's sake, with their FIRST EFFORT, they changed the portable game. Now we have how many others trying to be instant convection electric portables?

I am still just in awe of this fucking thing. At this point, I equate waiting for the FF 2.0 to being on Alan's Heat Island list - show some patience, and you just might receive a vaporizer that is truly unmatched. IMO, of course.

God I fucking love my Firefly. I can't get over it.

(Not a beta tester. Not a retailer. Not a guy running my own review site with links. I absolutely in no way profit whatsoever from this love letter, other than my own sense of self-satisfaction. Cause that's how I fucking roll. The best reviews come from the real folks.)

 

[mitchgo61]

Now, is that because the last batch of 750s were so lame? Or is it because the 770s are just that good? I think it's because the 770s are just that good. I find them to be a major step forward, and a major response to those who think the FF's battery life isn't good enough.

I agree, somehow that whole "twice as long" thing crossed the threshold from unacceptable battery life to totally fine battery life. There's still room for improvement but the battery thing isn't an issue for me anymore (I had two dud 750s, just look at 'em funny and they drain) and the only time I see red is when I space out and forget to charge. I don't even use the external charger much anymore...I have plenty of time to plug in the FF after an ample session.

Just ordered two more of the 770s last Friday - before the damn 420 sale .

You should call them tomorrow. Maybe they will honor the discount anyway and give you some credit. (Dammit, you deserve some credit! ) You're a good customer, they should give you the discount. Just my unasked-for advice, as usual. (If there's water, my oar is in there.)

Still wish they'd give us a taste of what they're trying for in the fabled FF 2.0 - I'm starting to think it's only a figment of @mitchgo61 's imagination. Hell, it was probably one of his daydreams he came up with during one of his 30-minute mind-numbing soul-crushing guitar solos... Guh.

Will it be as groundbreaking as the FF was / is? A true instant convection electric portable that, a year and a half later, has no real competition in the category other than a glorified beta unit or a unit (units) that still isn't ready to be shipped? Feel free to correct me here - I can take it. I'm a big boy.

Hey, I suffered for my art....now it's your turn. (Soul-crushing. I like that!) Uh, I swear on that statue of Zappa in Baltimore that he confirmed they were in development of the FF2, unless I dreamed the whole phone conversation. I've asked a couple times in mail about it, but haven't gotten any more info at all. Of course, there's something to be said for a manufacturer who puts his/her head(s) down and creates a great product without a lot of social network chatter. Talk is cheap. Show me your vape. I'm guessing they'll show us when they're ready.

I'm getting rather excited to find out, as the FF team's first effort still seems to be way, way, way ahead of the curve of the type of vape they set out to make - a sleek, sexy, no-waiting, full convection portable that is designed in such a way as to allow "bondage" between the user and device - i.e., the window and glow and ergonomics - no silicone sleeve required!

The FF is a labor of true love, make no mistake about it. For fuck's sake, with their FIRST EFFORT, they changed the portable game. Now we have how many others trying to be instant convection electric portables?

I am still just in awe of this fucking thing. At this point, I equate waiting for the FF 2.0 to being on Alan's Heat Island list - show some patience, and you just might receive a vaporizer that is truly unmatched. IMO, of course.

Yeah, the only thing that's caught up with the FF gen 1 are the prices. (Remember in December 2013, $269 seemed way way high?) The trend seems to be towards more complex devices, but you know me, gimme a button to push and an end to suck on and I'm happy as hell. It gets me back to that soul-crushing solo that much faster. But you and I are fellow travelers on this subject...I just cannot imagine why everyone who loves vaping doesn't use the FF as their main portable. Or even main vape period. Jesus God, the coolness of the vapor alone...people connect half the freaking Tennessee Valley Authority to their vapes to achieve the kind of cool, smooth vapor the FF routinely pushes into your face. Yeah, it takes some learning and skill, but that's part of the fun.

(Not a beta tester. Not a retailer. Not a guy running my own review site with links. I absolutely in no way profit whatsoever from this love letter, other than my own sense of self-satisfaction. Cause that's how I fucking roll. The best reviews come from the real folks.)

See, just when I thought I was out, along comes this epic, passionate, correct-on-all-points post and pulls me back in!!

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

(Soul-crushing. I like that!)

I half-stole it from Trainspotting:

Another modern film you need to see.

 

[Samz]

I am having similar problem - Just got a Firefly direct from manufacturer - shipped with a 750 battery - thing barely produces any vap. Ok - with a fully charged battery and fresh bowl - maybe one descent hit.

I called - thanks to this forum - and they are sending a new 770 battery at no charge - will let you know if it improves the situation.

Kind of begs the question of why they are sending out new units with the 750 battery. If I had not hunted around for this forum and read about the battery issue, I would have returned it or just been pissed off that I spend so much $$. I would have to recommend the PAX 2 over firefly at this point, but will reserve judgement.

Will report back after battery arrives.

Customer service was very nice, but new 770 battery arrived and after two hours of charging the light is red. Hope that does not mean what I think it does. For the price of this device I call total bs.

 

[mitchgo61]

Customer service was very nice, but new 770 battery arrived and after two hours of charging the light is red. Hope that does not mean what I think it does. For the price of this device I call total bs.

What is the exact behavior you are experiencing? Do you get a flashing blue light, and then a steady blue when it's fully charged? Or are you not getting it to charge at all?

If it looks like it's fully charged, but the device throws a red light right away, even with the new battery, then yes it's possible the FF itself is defective. I personally have suffered through a total of six defective units (three for each of the two I've purchased) so I know it can be frustrating...in fact your issue sounds like something that happened to me (brand new unit would shut down with a red light on a fully-charged battery after 20 seconds...turned out to be a circuit problem somewhere).

The good news is a big part of what you paid for is the warranty and the service...you have a five-year warranty and trust me, FF will work to keep you happy. I know this first-hand. Call them if you cannot get it to to work and they will replace it if that's what it comes to. Give them a chance, they will get you a working device, and you will never again even mention the Pax 2 in the same sentence as the Firefly. (And I own the P2 and like it, but, I mean, come on...there is no comparison...)

As for why people are still getting the old batteries in new shipments, I think FF contracts out to warehouses around the country and it appears some of them are burning through old stock. While FF is responsible (which is why they are sending folks new batteries at their expense) they aren't doing it intentionally.

Good luck, and give FF a chance to make you a happy customer...you will not regret it.

 

[Balzac]

Anybody out there dealing with a "Hot" Firefly?

And no, I don't mean stolen!

Once I figured out the lid issue, I now draw on mine with full force and no preheat. I still get black AVB mixed with perfectly green herbs - flavor is decent but not as good as my other vapes (Crafty, Solo, Enano).

I just read about people with "cold" fireflys where its a struggle to get big hits, and I wonder if I'm just better off with the this one, or should I send it in?

 

[Samz]

What is the exact behavior you are experiencing? Do you get a flashing blue light, and then a steady blue when it's fully charged? Or are you not getting it to charge at all?

If it looks like it's fully charged, but the device throws a red light right away, even with the new battery, then yes it's possible the FF itself is defective. I personally have suffered through a total of six defective units (three for each of the two I've purchased) so I know it can be frustrating...in fact your issue sounds like something that happened to me (brand new unit would shut down with a red light on a fully-charged battery after 20 seconds...turned out to be a circuit problem somewhere).

The good news is a big part of what you paid for is the warranty and the service...you have a five-year warranty and trust me, FF will work to keep you happy. I know this first-hand. Call them if you cannot get it to to work and they will replace it if that's what it comes to. Give them a chance, they will get you a working device, and you will never again even mention the Pax 2 in the same sentence as the Firefly. (And I own the P2 and like it, but, I mean, come on...there is no comparison...)

As for why people are still getting the old batteries in new shipments, I think FF contracts out to warehouses around the country and it appears some of them are burning through old stock. While FF is responsible (which is why they are sending folks new batteries at their expense) they aren't doing it intentionally.

Good luck, and give FF a chance to make you a happy customer...you will not regret it.

I get a flashing blue light but then it changes to solid red. This is in the charger.

I have to try different scenarios to see what's going on with battery, battery charger, and unit.

It did produce vap but so who knows. Will do more research and call customer service.

Have to say that I like the idea of having both Pax2 and FF. In situations with newbies, pax2 is easy bc it tells you when you are ready.

 

[UnshavenFish]

Anybody out there dealing with a "Hot" Firefly?

And no, I don't mean stolen!

Once I figured out the lid issue, I now draw on mine with full force and no preheat. I still get black AVB mixed with perfectly green herbs - flavor is decent but not as good as my other vapes (Crafty, Solo, Enano).

I just read about people with "cold" fireflys where its a struggle to get big hits, and I wonder if I'm just better off with the this one, or should I send it in?

It's been a while since i posted anything useful here, so here goes....

I will start by saying IMO my Firefly wins hands down in flavour, my SSV comes in 2nd (although its very close), Crafty 3rd then Air, Haze and Vapman joint 4th, my others i would rate lower so have left them out.

Now to get the best out of the Firefly it seems technique will vary from one unit to the next so i thought i would share mine in the hope that it will help you or others.

I start by holding the button until i see the chamber glow, then start to pull (i find too fast and the taste is worse also more air should mean thinner vapour so you would need to fill your lungs to get a big hit) the first pull i get some vapour but not much, although i use the first pull to get the bowl warm/ready and it tastes great.

Now onto draw speed and length, length is the easy part to explain as i said earlier once i see the glow i start to pull and continue for 10 seconds while holding the button, towards the end of a bowl i only hold the button for 5 seconds (while pulling for 10) with a gradual drop from the 10 seconds (button press) at the start.
Now draw speed is the hard thing to explain but i will try If you take a normal (just like breathing) breath in (with your mouth not open wide just relaxed) its about half this speed, at this speed for 10 seconds i half fill my lungs (so could pull for another 10 seconds before i cant inhale anymore due to lung capacity)

With most convection vapes stirring is the key to avoid black spots i stir my bowl after every other pull and get nice even AVB, when stirring try to keep greener stuff in the middle of the bowl.

For grinding i find just a simple hand tear works great, too fine and IMO it is easier to get black spots and clog the airway around the bowl, or even end up with some of your bud being inhaled.

Now i realise this wont work for everyone but hope it helps some to enjoy their Firefly as much as i do mine.

I get a flashing blue light but then it changes to solid red. This is in the charger.

I have to try different scenarios to see what's going on with battery, battery charger, and unit.

It did produce vap but so who knows. Will do more research and call customer service.

Have to say that I like the idea of having both Pax2 and FF. In situations with newbies, pax2 is easy bc it tells you when you are ready.

Yeah no such thing as too many vapes (thats my story and I'm sticking to it )

I notice you said "in the charger" have you tried charging in the Firefly? You should get flashing blue while charging then solid blue when charged like @mitchgo61 said. (Mine takes 45 mins from empty)
If the charger is giving a red light it could be the charger not working correctly.

You may already be checking this if so just ignore me

 

[RelaxedNow]

Anybody out there dealing with a "Hot" Firefly?

And no, I don't mean stolen!

Once I figured out the lid issue, I now draw on mine with full force and no preheat. I still get black AVB mixed with perfectly green herbs - flavor is decent but not as good as my other vapes (Crafty, Solo, Enano).

I just read about people with "cold" fireflys where its a struggle to get big hits, and I wonder if I'm just better off with the this one, or should I send it in?

@Balzac, if you're getting black ABV regularly without pre-heating, and the Firefly isn't the best-tasting vaporizer you own, something is wrong (yeah, some personal opinion regarding the flavor). It sounds like you need to contact Firefly CS.

I rarely see any black, and when I do, it's because I'm going for clouds by releasing and re-pressing the button, over-riding the Firefly's normal heating curve. This works well on my unit, as long as I pay attention to what I'm doing. Of course, that does become difficult at times.

 

[mitchgo61]

I get a flashing blue light but then it changes to solid red. This is in the charger.

I have to try different scenarios to see what's going on with battery, battery charger, and unit.

It did produce vap but so who knows. Will do more research and call customer service.

Have to say that I like the idea of having both Pax2 and FF. In situations with newbies, pax2 is easy bc it tells you when you are ready.

Interesting. Didn't realize you were using the external charger. Maybe that's the issue. Try a few cycles charging directly in the FF. Good luck, let us know what happens...you've piqued my curiousity. (Another file for the "FF bugs" folder.)

BTW once you get the hang of it, presuming it works correctly, you'll find the FF quite a bit easier than the P2....I know I do. I feel like I have more control over all aspects of the process with the FF.

OK, now switching gears, here's a long distance dedication to @EveryDayAmnesiac ...This one is for you, my friend...

https://www.jackthreads.com/thethre...s-just-world-class-technology?hc_location=ufi

And in case you end up skimming, perish the thought, pay attention to this bit...

Firefly is bigger and heavier than a lot of the other products on the market. When you were creating it, were you worried that the size would deter people from using it? It's a beautiful product, but it's not as discrete as something like a pen vaporizer...
Correct. When we were first developing it, there really were not that many other products on the market, ... so I think that we were a little less concerned about size than we are now with the advent of so many other products. But what we were always going for though, was the best vapor experience. That's always been our measure -- the highest quality vapor experience in the way it tastes, how effective it is, and how easy it is to get exactly what you want. That was always our driving agenda, and the product followed that.

But we do recognize that [portability matters], and we have products in the works.

Emphasis mine, on that last line...sounds like FF2 is smaller....

You're welcome.

 

[ataxian]

What is the exact behavior you are experiencing? Good luck, and give FF a chance to make you a happy customer...you will not regret it.

770 battery fixed everything!

Flavor = sweet
Effect = wow

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Started off like a brown-nosing puff piece, but when it did get to the actual interview, I found there to be quite a lot of interesting information.

Interesting that Mark has a Masters in Human Factors and Human Computer Interactions. I uh... didn't know that was even a thing. Now that I do, I can see it all over the FF's design. For those of us whose FFs end up working well for us, we really seem to bond with them ... almost as much as with log vapes. Impressive to have that kind of experience with no wood involved.

Where are those damn wooden lids we were promised!

Also found it interesting that they designed it backwards, or "reversed engineering," as they say.

Can't believe I never equated the red glow to a lit joint. "The glow is from the actual heat, not from something fake" - never though about that either.

The heating element took a year and a half to find? Now I REALLY want to know exactly what it is!

Good stuff. You can really see the passion in the process by the way he talks - smart as a whip, too. Won't be challenging him to a game of Scrabble anytime soon ...

"It's the difference between taking tea leaves, burning them, and eating them, and having a cup of tea where you pour in some hot water, and you're not burning it, and you drink that cup of tea and you can taste everything in it."

"...we've got some really cool secret sauce projects that are in development that we can't wait to announce later this year. No details on what that is yet, but they will be vaporizers."