I have been wondering the same (having more than 1 strain is a nice problem to have) and was thinking of using mason jars without the lids on...my large CVault is 21ltr (5.5gallons).
The CORRECT way to store your bud?
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See below, I was able to rig something up-- this is a 4L C-Vault with a divider made out of thin cardboard from a cereal box. I cut the middle out a little so the Boveda holder can be in any position.
Separate question for those of you buying/storing larger amounts-- what are you paying for high-quality flower in bulk? I get $150/oz from my guy if buying a lb or so-- just wondering how that compares to others in NYC/East Coast?
Separate question for those of you buying/storing larger amounts-- what are you paying for high-quality flower in bulk? I get $150/oz from my guy if buying a lb or so-- just wondering how that compares to others in NYC/East Coast?
RustyOldNail
SEARCH for the treasure...
A FWIW POST…. my recent experience with trying Boost packs.
A few times in this thread, I’ve stated my reasons for using Bovida 62% packs in my storage containers. (CVaults, glass Airscapes, mason jars, etc.) Each container has a Bluetooth humidity sensor.
Last week, it was time to add or replace some packs, as I received a low humidity message via the app. (you can set both HI/LOW humidity notifications).
I like how when the Bovida packs eventually dry out, you can simply feel them get crunchy. (some even rehydrate the used packs, I don’t bother).
Boost packs are supposed to come with some small colored cards, indicating their state. I’ve never really seen them, with the few I’ve gotten. But recently, I bought some Mason jar inserts, that hold any packs at the top of the jar above the weed. These came with a bunch of individually wrapped 62% Boost packs.
Since I was out of Bovida packs, I decided on using them. I normally use 1-2 packs depending on the size of container and how much I’m storing in them.
I monitored the humidity level for several days, never went over 50%. I then put all 10 Boost packs in a sealed Mason jar, same bad results. I tossed them all, and ordered more Bovida packs.
Considering these were all individually wrapped, I have no clue as to why they didn’t work, this brand never gets crunchy when depleted, so you either have to have their “card”, or humidity gauges as I do to actually know if they are working. I’ll stick with Bovida brand.
A few times in this thread, I’ve stated my reasons for using Bovida 62% packs in my storage containers. (CVaults, glass Airscapes, mason jars, etc.) Each container has a Bluetooth humidity sensor.
Last week, it was time to add or replace some packs, as I received a low humidity message via the app. (you can set both HI/LOW humidity notifications).
I like how when the Bovida packs eventually dry out, you can simply feel them get crunchy. (some even rehydrate the used packs, I don’t bother).
Boost packs are supposed to come with some small colored cards, indicating their state. I’ve never really seen them, with the few I’ve gotten. But recently, I bought some Mason jar inserts, that hold any packs at the top of the jar above the weed. These came with a bunch of individually wrapped 62% Boost packs.
Since I was out of Bovida packs, I decided on using them. I normally use 1-2 packs depending on the size of container and how much I’m storing in them.
I monitored the humidity level for several days, never went over 50%. I then put all 10 Boost packs in a sealed Mason jar, same bad results. I tossed them all, and ordered more Bovida packs.
Considering these were all individually wrapped, I have no clue as to why they didn’t work, this brand never gets crunchy when depleted, so you either have to have their “card”, or humidity gauges as I do to actually know if they are working. I’ll stick with Bovida brand.
MalonShakespeare
Active Member
A couple of years later... I still vacuum seal my bud with a cheap $30 vac sealer.
Cracked open a few packs from last July this week - all just as fresh and sticky as it was when I packed it 9 months ago
If you're looking for the cheap option, it gets my vote.
The problem with mason jars is that there's still a bunch of air in there - and that's what will eventually break it down.
Cracked open a few packs from last July this week - all just as fresh and sticky as it was when I packed it 9 months ago
If you're looking for the cheap option, it gets my vote.
The problem with mason jars is that there's still a bunch of air in there - and that's what will eventually break it down.
Ramahs
Fucking Combustion (mostly) Since February 2017
That's why I'd stick oxygen eaters in the jars for long-term storage.
From what I understand, It's the oxygen part of the air that does the damage.
I'll never in my life use a boveda or boost or any other kind of humidity pack. In fact, I can't even remember when I've used the old terracotta shard anymore.
There are several reasons to why this is, let's start with the first, being the product. I'm very well provided for in the product sense and I actually never get too dry product. Big plus.
Second reason is my product never gets older than 6 months, and rarely over 3 months. I'll have consumed it all before that time. In the meantime I stick it in glass jars, or the occasional plastic container if it's just a couple of nugs (the plastic containers are smaller), and I adjust jar size to nicely fit stash size. Moisture equilibrium in the jars is faster reached when there's less excess air. But nugs still need to be able to breathe, so no cramming.
At the end of summer, there's always a good amount of stash to cure. This is also done without boost packs. I simply burp and air out every day until humidity drops to around what it should be and then I slow down the burping by a lot.
Jars have air, I saw mentioned here. It's almost regarded like a problem that needs fixing it seems. But air in there, that's exactly how I like it. Not too much air of course, but still. Air. Air and cannabis communicate. They work together. They thrive together. Whoever is now thinking "HOLD YOUR HORSES JACK!", I invite to do the test I've been doing for years.
As long as you're not thinking of holding your stash for longer than 6 months, taking them off the drying line before smaller stems start snapping and treating it like a live product that has not stopped evolving is a great thing.
What we call "curing" could be considered a collection of reactions between 4 basic elements: cannabis, moisture, air, and time. It takes time. It takes a lot of time. And it won't be getting better all the way for every strain if you ask me.
The perfect cure, ime, is at a different point for each strain, and maybe it's at a different point for each person, because tastes vary.
The most clear cut example of this in my own experience, has been with a strain that's now lost to time, Misty. Misty kush was still sold several years ago but Misty itself has been gone and all but forgotten. I still had a single seed of it in my stock until 2 weeks ago but it seems it's dead. Makes sense as it was already old when I got the seed years ago. Anyway. The first time I came across that strain, I was about 16 years old. Had a really hard time scoring pot that day but eventually someone came through with a smallish 2g bag. By that time I had met up with 2 of my best friends because they were looking for pot too, so we go to this really small concrete bridge over a small stream nearby, and we roll a joint, smoke it up and sit there having a good time. But then as we got higher, we all started having the giggles. I'm the one who's got it worst, and I'm just laughing and laughing and I simply cannot get a hold of myself no matter how hard I try, which makes me laugh even harder. I'm hurting in my cheeks and in my abs because of all the laughing and it's still not over by far. So as I'm laughing I'm bending over and staring at my friends and I start banging this empty plastic sodabottle I was holding against the concrete ledge of the bridge. I smash it a few times and then I miss and I smash all my knuckles open, skin hanging from my hands. The blood is pouring on the floor and over my arm, and it's actually looking like I'm going to have a bad time with that hand for a couple of weeks to come, but still, I cannot stop laughing. I just simply keep laughing and laughing and eventually I drop to the floor exhausted from laughter. It was the biggest "laughing kick", as we called it, I ever had.
Fast forward about 14 years and I find a seed pack hidden in a headshop's stash from the original Nirvana breeder, Misty. Not Misty kush, the one that followed and did not live up, but Misty, the one and only that I remembered from that bridge all those years ago. So I buy the pack. I come home and I plant 2 seeds, wanting to save the other 3 for a later date. I grow it out and aside from some nanners everything goes right. Nanners was probably the downfall of this plant, as basically every plant grown had one or two sadly.
So I harvest and dry the herb, and when dry I try it. And it tastes just the same. It takes me back in time. But not one bit of euphoria. Not one giggle. I didn't understand. What was going on?
For 2 months onwards, I smoked this weed and other weed beside it (my stash is usally divided in several strains) and I never get a giggle. I'm not really prone to giggles either, certainly a lot less than I used to be. So the last nug, I decide to save for a bit. I keep it in a small glass jar with a cork in it, the jar only slighlty bigger than the crammed nug. And after a good month, I smoke it.
And I laugh. I laugh. I laugh without reason and for quite some time. Not as extremely as when I was 16, but with that same euphoria and joyous laughter nonetheless.
And it all makes sense now. It's not just the herb. It's the careful and diligent handling and respect for the relationship between the herb, the moisture in it, and the air surrounding it, and the time given. It can't be rushed. It can't be forced. It needs to be respected and cared for. It's like love, or a child. It only fully blossoms when it's listened to and cared for through and throughout.
Boveda packs, to me, remove my control. They take away the possibility for the cannabis to become whole. Although even without boveda packs, not all my buds will reach that fully blossomed stage. A lot of them will get vaped or smoked before that time, because my stash isn't large enough to provide that kind of leeway.
In my experience, autoflowers, with their fast lifestyle, are no different in death than they are in life. Their smells and tastes seem to fade away sooner than their photoperiod counterparts and therefore they require a shorter cure to reach "full blossom" stage. I usually try to not let autoflowers sit for longer than 2 months.
Photoperiods are the opposite, gaining their best qualities after 6 weeks at the very least, with most of them topping between 8 and 12 weeks.
Now when you've gotten it to that perfect blossom part. How do you store it then to keep it there? My best bet would be inside a thermos bottle inside a freezer, same as we do with pollen storage. Should keep for longer than the 2 months that pollen does though.
There are several reasons to why this is, let's start with the first, being the product. I'm very well provided for in the product sense and I actually never get too dry product. Big plus.
Second reason is my product never gets older than 6 months, and rarely over 3 months. I'll have consumed it all before that time. In the meantime I stick it in glass jars, or the occasional plastic container if it's just a couple of nugs (the plastic containers are smaller), and I adjust jar size to nicely fit stash size. Moisture equilibrium in the jars is faster reached when there's less excess air. But nugs still need to be able to breathe, so no cramming.
At the end of summer, there's always a good amount of stash to cure. This is also done without boost packs. I simply burp and air out every day until humidity drops to around what it should be and then I slow down the burping by a lot.
Jars have air, I saw mentioned here. It's almost regarded like a problem that needs fixing it seems. But air in there, that's exactly how I like it. Not too much air of course, but still. Air. Air and cannabis communicate. They work together. They thrive together. Whoever is now thinking "HOLD YOUR HORSES JACK!", I invite to do the test I've been doing for years.
As long as you're not thinking of holding your stash for longer than 6 months, taking them off the drying line before smaller stems start snapping and treating it like a live product that has not stopped evolving is a great thing.
What we call "curing" could be considered a collection of reactions between 4 basic elements: cannabis, moisture, air, and time. It takes time. It takes a lot of time. And it won't be getting better all the way for every strain if you ask me.
The perfect cure, ime, is at a different point for each strain, and maybe it's at a different point for each person, because tastes vary.
The most clear cut example of this in my own experience, has been with a strain that's now lost to time, Misty. Misty kush was still sold several years ago but Misty itself has been gone and all but forgotten. I still had a single seed of it in my stock until 2 weeks ago but it seems it's dead. Makes sense as it was already old when I got the seed years ago. Anyway. The first time I came across that strain, I was about 16 years old. Had a really hard time scoring pot that day but eventually someone came through with a smallish 2g bag. By that time I had met up with 2 of my best friends because they were looking for pot too, so we go to this really small concrete bridge over a small stream nearby, and we roll a joint, smoke it up and sit there having a good time. But then as we got higher, we all started having the giggles. I'm the one who's got it worst, and I'm just laughing and laughing and I simply cannot get a hold of myself no matter how hard I try, which makes me laugh even harder. I'm hurting in my cheeks and in my abs because of all the laughing and it's still not over by far. So as I'm laughing I'm bending over and staring at my friends and I start banging this empty plastic sodabottle I was holding against the concrete ledge of the bridge. I smash it a few times and then I miss and I smash all my knuckles open, skin hanging from my hands. The blood is pouring on the floor and over my arm, and it's actually looking like I'm going to have a bad time with that hand for a couple of weeks to come, but still, I cannot stop laughing. I just simply keep laughing and laughing and eventually I drop to the floor exhausted from laughter. It was the biggest "laughing kick", as we called it, I ever had.
Fast forward about 14 years and I find a seed pack hidden in a headshop's stash from the original Nirvana breeder, Misty. Not Misty kush, the one that followed and did not live up, but Misty, the one and only that I remembered from that bridge all those years ago. So I buy the pack. I come home and I plant 2 seeds, wanting to save the other 3 for a later date. I grow it out and aside from some nanners everything goes right. Nanners was probably the downfall of this plant, as basically every plant grown had one or two sadly.
So I harvest and dry the herb, and when dry I try it. And it tastes just the same. It takes me back in time. But not one bit of euphoria. Not one giggle. I didn't understand. What was going on?
For 2 months onwards, I smoked this weed and other weed beside it (my stash is usally divided in several strains) and I never get a giggle. I'm not really prone to giggles either, certainly a lot less than I used to be. So the last nug, I decide to save for a bit. I keep it in a small glass jar with a cork in it, the jar only slighlty bigger than the crammed nug. And after a good month, I smoke it.
And I laugh. I laugh. I laugh without reason and for quite some time. Not as extremely as when I was 16, but with that same euphoria and joyous laughter nonetheless.
And it all makes sense now. It's not just the herb. It's the careful and diligent handling and respect for the relationship between the herb, the moisture in it, and the air surrounding it, and the time given. It can't be rushed. It can't be forced. It needs to be respected and cared for. It's like love, or a child. It only fully blossoms when it's listened to and cared for through and throughout.
Boveda packs, to me, remove my control. They take away the possibility for the cannabis to become whole. Although even without boveda packs, not all my buds will reach that fully blossomed stage. A lot of them will get vaped or smoked before that time, because my stash isn't large enough to provide that kind of leeway.
In my experience, autoflowers, with their fast lifestyle, are no different in death than they are in life. Their smells and tastes seem to fade away sooner than their photoperiod counterparts and therefore they require a shorter cure to reach "full blossom" stage. I usually try to not let autoflowers sit for longer than 2 months.
Photoperiods are the opposite, gaining their best qualities after 6 weeks at the very least, with most of them topping between 8 and 12 weeks.
Now when you've gotten it to that perfect blossom part. How do you store it then to keep it there? My best bet would be inside a thermos bottle inside a freezer, same as we do with pollen storage. Should keep for longer than the 2 months that pollen does though.
Rodney
Well-Known Member
no never heard of them but after checking I feel like I should have known something like this was available. Also they sell them locally to me.
pop22
Well-Known Member
I've been testing them. I don't believe they maintain moister levels as well as jars do. Next harvest I'll toss a couple Bovedas in with them.
I forgot to mention that I do put a 62% boveda in the bags, the smallest ones. I do vacuum seal the end after I make up bags.
crustycorvus
Well-Known Member
Swear by Groves personally. Gave up jars after using them for almost 2 decades. Very similar results as jars, but they store and transport much better IMO. Easier to shift around Groves in my wine fridge. Can't make a jar smaller when there's less in it. Love em. Haven't looked back
Adobewan
Well-Known Member
Cool, I learned something today.
Madri-Gal
Child Of The Revolution
Very happily using mason jars that I vacuum seal. Bought two jar sealers so when I have a lot of jars to seal at once, and have tried Boost, Boveda, and am now using a third brand of humidity pack, and they seem to all be about the same. The humidity sensors seem OK, but mostly for anxiety, as they don't change much after the initial jarring and sealing. So far, I'm planning to cure, jar and store as I usually do, as it's working. I will be getting a dehumidifier this year, as I can't rely on a heatwave after harvest, as was had last year.
Regular mouth mason quart jars are ideal for me. It's easy to see to spot check, they clean and sterilize well, they are reusable, and can be used for other purposes. I like my CVault, but no way am I buying a hundred of them.
Regular mouth mason quart jars are ideal for me. It's easy to see to spot check, they clean and sterilize well, they are reusable, and can be used for other purposes. I like my CVault, but no way am I buying a hundred of them.
My 22ltr CVault saves a lot of time when curing, I got sick of burping 'many' quart wide mouth jars and I like to hand stir the contents when burping. I save the vac seal for when the burpin is done. I have also had success with my new Twist mini CVaults for storing ground herb ready for use...once I put rubber bands on them so I could twist them tight enough to seal properly and not have the Boveda dry out.
Maybe it has to do something with the 'pressure' storage? - your story kind of took me back a few decades ago, when we had great indoor that was pressed hard like bricks at the right moisture and vacuum sealed, really tough to grind but great taste and similar effects...
Now i have to do test runs with an overfilled and pressed to the limit grove bag vs normal bags.... normally i do the opposite and try to touch it as little as possible
On a side note - having to much glas stems / mouthpieces i started storing them inside the bags/jars while curing - don't know if it's measurable but airzer and vaponic/cheaponic stems give more terpy hits that way at the beginning
I didn't want to say you pressed it to a a stone - but maybe there is more to curing when a few tricomes get squished inside the bud, as long as it's tight enough packed to not get lost to the air.... (i've been way to anal about treating it like raw eggs, so time for the max contrast lol)
Maybe there are some reactions with plant matter in the right conditions - that would also explain why the good 2. grade traditional sieved hash tastes smoother to me than the more pure first grade, it's weaker but i suspect that plant matter to do something like wood chips in whiskey or so...
I do recall some trial runs from way back - but i only got mold in the middle
, didn't have enough clue about it then...
Maybe there are some reactions with plant matter in the right conditions - that would also explain why the good 2. grade traditional sieved hash tastes smoother to me than the more pure first grade, it's weaker but i suspect that plant matter to do something like wood chips in whiskey or so...
I do recall some trial runs from way back - but i only got mold in the middle
, didn't have enough clue about it then...Traditional sieved hash...
Great Moroccan, and I don't mean the general export stuff, which is already usually quite good, is quite like a good whiskey.
I could wax poetic about the stuff I've been given by a Moroccan friend. I make my own hash from time to time, but I simply don't have enough material to get expert-level at it. I know one of the ways to do it, to get that creme-de-la-creme. Don't even need more than 1 sieve either. It's just not practically scalable to small scales, sadly. But I'd be real happy to fill a field one day to that end...
In the meantime, I'll be happy to smoke the occasional imported stuff. And even though I prefer some Moroccan cream, I won't turn down a heady black Afghani either.
Great Moroccan, and I don't mean the general export stuff, which is already usually quite good, is quite like a good whiskey.
I could wax poetic about the stuff I've been given by a Moroccan friend. I make my own hash from time to time, but I simply don't have enough material to get expert-level at it. I know one of the ways to do it, to get that creme-de-la-creme. Don't even need more than 1 sieve either. It's just not practically scalable to small scales, sadly. But I'd be real happy to fill a field one day to that end...
In the meantime, I'll be happy to smoke the occasional imported stuff. And even though I prefer some Moroccan cream, I won't turn down a heady black Afghani either.
Totally on your wavelength - sadly imo the mouth watering real clean pine taste from 20 years ago has been lost due to the brought in pakistani genetics from the dutch
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I've tasted pakistani in every maroc i could find at amsterdam coffe shops over the last decade, and i'm there once a month....
It's not just about the sieving - the mostly overlooked part is the right pressure at the right temperature and the celluphane layer around it to cure.
To turn it to og topic - Hash is the absolute best way to store bud long term
.I've tasted pakistani in every maroc i could find at amsterdam coffe shops over the last decade, and i'm there once a month....
It's not just about the sieving - the mostly overlooked part is the right pressure at the right temperature and the celluphane layer around it to cure.
To turn it to og topic - Hash is the absolute best way to store bud long term
I stopped using C vaults. I put 6, 4l into a cooler after they were cured, and when I opened the cooler I smelled a lot of goodness. Which wasn’t good.
1lb bags for curing, then 1/2 oz bags for storage. All with a Boveda.
I only use them for burping and fresh ground buds that are being used... long-term, vac seal, o2 scrubbers and Boveda for insurance in wide mouth mason jars.
Madri-Gal
Child Of The Revolution
That's a great idea.
Once I dry and jar, I just seal and don't burp. After cure, I will fill three or four smaller jars with Boveda and twist tops, and vacuum seal the quart jars if anything is left. The smaller jars are used to fill my grinder, and I usually have two or three BCG going to keep strains separate.
I tried making kief pucks for storage, and it was fun, but I can't remember where I put them, so can't say a thing about kief storage. Yet.
I can relate, I have an oz of Incredible Bulk sealed in a small mason jar with a Boost and had another with Boveda that is over 2 years old...I think I must have already vaped the one with Boveda so I have nothing to compare the Boost stored oz against. At least it is the same strain that I still have, just not the same crop so I can at least compare it against fresher pot.
Bologna
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They make too much SENSIe...! A lil pricey, but still not crazy... think I'll wait for a good sale.. 
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verdampersweats
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I just saw this. Idk what size my cvault is but you can just about fit 4x330ml kilner jars which are british mason jars. I can store 40g no problem.
I am still not sure how moist my bud should be. I use boveda 62% and just started putting in the raw stone for half an hour.