The CORRECT way to store your bud?
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fiixed
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do you have a photo of this setup? I'm not picturing all the separation you have?I find the best way to keep herb is using a boost pack (don't like boveda you will never convince me they don't steal terps) and a raw hydrostone (A simple terracotta disc) soked 10 seconds from dry. Josh from RAW talked about this method, so I can't take the credit. It... does something to the bud. Something tremendous. I put a barrier, usually the humidity pack's plastic sleeve, between the stone and the boost pack, which is in yet another plastic sleeve (otherwise the humidity pack gets really wet and the stone really dry). They self-regulate eachother, but that's not the important part.
The important part is that the jars seem to stay at the exact perfect humidity level but the buds get STICKY AF and FLUFFY AF. I do not understand it. I don't pretend to understand it. I just do it because: you could keep bud with any humidity pack for 1 month in perfect storage and it won't do what this can do in 24 hours. Personally I find the end vape is much more pleasant and smooth. I'd love to get more thoughts on this method because nobody is talking about this and I can't live without it.
Video for those inclined:
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https://www.amazon.com/Ball-7061040001-Humidity-Control-Holders/dp/B084DX8FK4 See these? Yeah, I don't like keeping my humidity packs right against my bud. I don't care what anyone says, I swear they steal terps. I've tasted it, I've smelled it take lab tested 35% brownie scout that I drove 6 hours for into pitiful, almost vaporless crap. Boost is better about this but I still don't want them touching. These little baskets solve that, but honestly, I wish someone would make a 3d printed version where you could just slip a hydrostone and a humidity pack in vertically, or even just make a model of these so I wouldn't have to pay the likely 300%+ markup on these baskets or be forced to purchase the humidity packs.
jeffp
psychonaut/retired
I'm perfectly fine using Jyarz stash jars that hold 8ths. I keep three or four in rotation and when empty i renew and keep current with new flavors as I go along. If I buy a larger quantity of one strain I'll fill my Jyarz's with them and wait until it's time to replenish and then I usually try some new strains.
I think the point is, I don't buy enough at one time to have the need to rehydrate.
I think the point is, I don't buy enough at one time to have the need to rehydrate.
There is a company called Staze that makes a jar which has the ability to pump out the air to create a seal. Pretty cool design, I thought of something like this for awhile and just recently found it. The idea is similar to a wine stop as you can pump the air out with a 1 way valve.
Not sure if we can link to websites here but it’s easy to find on google. Curious if anyone has used one of these yet?
Not sure if we can link to websites here but it’s easy to find on google. Curious if anyone has used one of these yet?
RustyOldNail
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The Staze Preserve infuses contemporary aesthetic with intuitive design featuring a proprietary built-in vacuum pump and smell proof technology.
FROM ONLINE FAQ:
“All of the components used to create Staze containers are FDA compliant for storing food grade materials”
Looks interesting, not expensive. Would like to know what type of plastic they use. The “charcoal mesh”, in the lid would probably be a weak area, unless it was replaceable, but doesn’t look like it, sooner or later it will be less and less effective. How long will the pump mechanism last?
Looks larger then standard Jaryz, which we love because of glass inserts, and tight orings. I might try one, be good for some strains that I grind, but then don’t get back to for awhile. The real test would be to see how long the vacuum lasts.
RxPlorer
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I don't see how pumping air out is the right trend here. Creating a vacuum just speeds up the terpene outgassing. It'd be better to do exactly the opposite - displace the air with nitrogen, sealed under positive pressure.SHOP ALL
The Staze Preserve infuses contemporary aesthetic with intuitive design featuring a proprietary built-in vacuum pump and smell proof technology.staze.co
FROM ONLINE FAQ:
“All of the components used to create Staze containers are FDA compliant for storing food grade materials”
Looks interesting, not expensive. Would like to know what type of plastic they use. The “charcoal mesh”, in the lid would probably be a weak area, unless it was replaceable, but doesn’t look like it, sooner or later it will be less and less effective. How long will the pump mechanism last?
Looks larger then standard Jaryz, which we love because of glass inserts, and tight orings. I might try one, be good for some strains that I grind, but then don’t get back to for awhile. The real test would be to see how long the vacuum lasts.
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Interesting point, I suppose you could be right. It would be interesting to look at the terps under a microscope, vacuum seal it, and then look again
Ramahs
Fucking Combustion (mostly) Since February 2017
The terpene molecules are way too small to see under a normal microscope. Maybe with a super powerful electron microscope in a specialized lab or something, but definitely not with any light microscope we would have access to.
Now, If you are talking about the trichomes on the surface of the plant, then that's another story.
Bad Dog
Yeah I pissed on the rug...... so what
one of my fancy weeds comes packed like that with nitrogen
VapePerson
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1. Why nitrogen?
2. Is there any way to do this at home?
Obviously this would be super-long term storage only
Bad Dog
Yeah I pissed on the rug...... so what
I think nitrogen doesn't oxidize or maybe react to things like oxygen does and the nitrogen is meant to preserve the flavour and aroma but not so much the humidity, which is ok with the stuff I get but it is so much nicer with the stone and pack after. the stuff I get is in tins with pull tops, it slightly hisses when you open it.
Ah yes exactly my tired brain meant trichomes haha
RustyOldNail
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Not sure how much terpenes one might be losing by pumping out the air from a small container. And if doing so what if any effect it may have on the strength of the herbs.
Nitrogen gas used for long term storage might be possible, some store long term in vacuum bags. I bought some nicotine for making ECig juice long ago, that was packaged with nitrogen and is in my freezer. Obviously, we are talking about a product that’s going to be opened and closed more often, so intermittent storage.
Two of my flower storage containers “CANNASCAPE”, with bovida packs and digital temperature Bluetooth modules, use a push down air removal system. I have other ones in aluminum for coffee storage too.
“Preserve the fragrance and flavor of your best-quality dried herbs in this elegant storage solution. The patented inner Airscape® lid forces oxygen OUT of the canister and away from its contents to maintain the highest level of preservation possible, for far longer than traditional “airtight” containers.”
planetarydesign.com
Nitrogen gas used for long term storage might be possible, some store long term in vacuum bags. I bought some nicotine for making ECig juice long ago, that was packaged with nitrogen and is in my freezer. Obviously, we are talking about a product that’s going to be opened and closed more often, so intermittent storage.
Two of my flower storage containers “CANNASCAPE”, with bovida packs and digital temperature Bluetooth modules, use a push down air removal system. I have other ones in aluminum for coffee storage too.
“Preserve the fragrance and flavor of your best-quality dried herbs in this elegant storage solution. The patented inner Airscape® lid forces oxygen OUT of the canister and away from its contents to maintain the highest level of preservation possible, for far longer than traditional “airtight” containers.”
The Cannascape® Glass - Planetary Design
Cannascape Glass takes freshness to new heights! Preserve the fragrance and flavor of your best-quality dried herbs in this elegant container.
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Would be really interesting to see this tested. Just not sure how it would be possible
RustyOldNail
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Well, a blind taste test is always possible.
You need two of these pump flower jars. Identical flower, same grind, lets say FINE. Loaded up to 50% capacity.
Jar TWO never gets opened until the length of the test is over.
The FIRST jar is is opened for a minute or two, then closed and air pumped back out.
One would have to make some assumptions for the LENGTH of the test.
Since these jars are NOT for long term storage, the test would not be months, but lets say on and off use for TWO weeks.
So as often as you like, open the FIRST jar, but don’t take out any flower, maybe just stir. Then close and pump. Doing this at least once every day or two, or even more, like you might actually use these jars, but don’t remove flower.
The 2nd jar has NOT been opened over the length of the test, until time is over. We want to know if the terpenes make any difference.
*Then you need some friends that claim to have good taste, you have to set up the vape test with equal device parameters. The test subjects don’t know which batch they are vaping, and rate TASTE and maybe “freshness”.
*The main problem is the 2nd jar that you leave “untouched”, as I doubt these jars and their pump system keep the vacuum very long. I assume if there is little pump resistance after some time, meaning you could pump more air out, then that’s a huge limit on the test I made up as air will get in. If you can’t pump more air out after two weeks, then the test would be fair. This inexpensive jar design, seems more to keep some air out for a day or two, maybe more, depends on the seals etc.
And in the end, it might all just be personal preferences, based on how you perceive the taste, if there is any difference at all. For my longer term storage, the Airscapes work well for me, less overall air for my bovida packs to have to hydrate, so they last longer, and humidity is constant.
Let us know how the test goes!
Hahaha yes fairly simple test process! Seems easy enoughWell, a blind taste test is always possible.
You need two of these pump flower jars. Identical flower, same grind, lets say FINE. Loaded up to 50% capacity.
Jar TWO never gets opened until the length of the test is over.
The FIRST jar is is opened for a minute or two, then closed and air pumped back out.
One would have to make some assumptions for the LENGTH of the test.
Since these jars are NOT for long term storage, the test would not be months, but lets say on and off use for TWO weeks.
So as often as you like, open the FIRST jar, but don’t take out any flower, maybe just stir. Then close and pump. Doing this at least once every day or two, or even more, like you might actually use these jars, but don’t remove flower.
The 2nd jar has NOT been opened over the length of the test, until time is over. We want to know if the terpenes make any difference.
*Then you need some friends that claim to have good taste, you have to set up the vape test with equal device parameters. The test subjects don’t know which batch they are vaping, and rate TASTE and maybe “freshness”.
*The main problem is the 2nd jar that you leave “untouched”, as I doubt these jars and their pump system keep the vacuum very long. I assume if there is little pump resistance after some time, meaning you could pump more air out, then that’s a huge limit on the test I made up as air will get in. If you can’t pump more air out after two weeks, then the test would be fair. This inexpensive jar design, seems more to keep some air out for a day or two, maybe more, depends on the seals etc.
And in the end, it might all just be personal preferences, based on how you perceive the taste, if there is any difference at all. For my longer term storage, the Airscapes work well for me, less overall air for my bovida packs to have to hydrate, so they last longer, and humidity is constant.
Let us know how the test goes!
Dr. G
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https://planetarydesign.com/
https://planetarydesign.com/product/cannascape-glass-herb-storage-canister/
Hello...this is what I use. I have several of the Airscapes...the inside lid is just amazing...then, the additional vacuum lid up top...really excellent.
They have a gray one...not a clear one for sale on Amazon...
https://planetarydesign.com/product/cannascape-glass-herb-storage-canister/
Hello...this is what I use. I have several of the Airscapes...the inside lid is just amazing...then, the additional vacuum lid up top...really excellent.
They have a gray one...not a clear one for sale on Amazon...
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RustyOldNail
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I have a few of those, mentioned in my post #38 above…
Dr. G
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I store in a darker container they use to sell...I do not see it on their website any longer. It was gray ceramic with the wood lid...and vacuum lid inside.Not sure how much terpenes one might be losing by pumping out the air from a small container. And if doing so what if any effect it may have on the strength of the herbs.
Nitrogen gas used for long term storage might be possible, some store long term in vacuum bags. I bought some nicotine for making ECig juice long ago, that was packaged with nitrogen and is in my freezer. Obviously, we are talking about a product that’s going to be opened and closed more often, so intermittent storage.
Two of my flower storage containers “CANNASCAPE”, with bovida packs and digital temperature Bluetooth modules, use a push down air removal system. I have other ones in aluminum for coffee storage too.
“Preserve the fragrance and flavor of your best-quality dried herbs in this elegant storage solution. The patented inner Airscape® lid forces oxygen OUT of the canister and away from its contents to maintain the highest level of preservation possible, for far longer than traditional “airtight” containers.”
The Cannascape® Glass - Planetary Design
Cannascape Glass takes freshness to new heights! Preserve the fragrance and flavor of your best-quality dried herbs in this elegant container.
RustyOldNail
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Doesn’t seem to effect expensive cigars, as many connoisseurs use Bovida packs in their humidors.
Some believe it effects the taste of their weed though. I use the 62% packs as I dislike dry herbs. I suggest personally experimenting for yourself, as that’s the best way to make an informed decision…..
Okla68
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As I stated above, just finished the last Qt jar of homegrown bud from last summer(jarred July '21). Boveda 62% packs. Still almost as tasty as it was to start.
Im with Rusty, would rather have less taste and NOT DRY. Didnt seem to have deteriorated much for that length of time, IMO !
noobvaperct
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Anyone else use herbguard jars? Also, how often should one swap out humidity packs?
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The Boveda packs just DRY out and get HARD.