The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Sadly for Iowa, it really doesn't matter anymore, other than being first. It was important to the President because it showed that he could win in a state that was very very white.

For whatever reason, Bernie does very poorly with minorities. Iowa and New Hampshire have very small minority populations. If Maine was next that might continue to work for him, but its not, SC and Nevada are and they have large minority populations.

While he would get these voters in the general against a republican, he is NOT going to get them against Hillary. At least I don't think he is.
 
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Chill Dude

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It wouldn't surprise me very much if Bernie takes both Iowa and New Hampshire. He'll lose Nevada and South Carolina, and then Super Tuesday will likely finish him off...To bad as some polls actually have Bernie beating both Trump and Cruz. However, the Republicans would jump all over him as a self proclaimed Socialist, but hey wasn't FDR and To a lesser degree Johnson basically in the Democratic Socialist category? The bottom line is the Socialist label still scares people and they fail to understand that popular programs like Medicare and Social Security are in essence Socialist programs...

Or so I predict, anyway.

I pretty much agree with your prediction. I too think Bernie will take Iowa and New Hampshire. Clinton is too strong in the southern states. One reason is that Bernie has failed to make a connection with minorities in general for whatever reason. I'm afraid Clinton has the lions share of the minority vote and poor Bernie won't be able to change that dynamic in the short time he has left...

On the Republican side I see Cruz's sit back and rope a dope strategy to ultimately be successful. Although the Republican establishment certainly doesn't have much love for Cruz; he is a candidate they could live with as Trump is too much of an embarrassment to the party..I predict Cruz gets ultimately gets the nomination and Trump backers will cruise over to Cruz's side.. I just can't see an establishment candidate being able to break through. The far right of the party has spoken!
 
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cybrguy

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While I am a little confused where this part of your quote of me came from (I didn't say it) I don't disagree with it.

"To bad as some polls actually have Bernie beating both Trump and Cruz. However, the Republicans would jump all over him as a self proclaimed Socialist, but hey wasn't FDR and To a lesser degree Johnson basically in the Democratic Socialist category? The bottom line is the Socialist label still scares people and they fail to understand that popular programs like Medicare and Social Security are in essence Socialist programs..."

While I worry that Bernie doesn't have enough foreign policy experience to be a good President, I would certainly vote for him over any of the Republicans running. But I really honestly believe that Hillary would be a better, and even a very good President.
 

Farid

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I'm from New England, so what I say should be taken with a grain of salt. That said, many of the conservatives I know prefer Sanders to Clinton because they see Clinton as a more divisive candidate. She rallies support by highlighting sectarian disagreement, whereas Sanders seems to reach across the isle more. Even though many of these people disagree with Sanders hugely on many policy issues, they prefer him to Clinton for this reason. It should be noted that they tend to lean libertarian on the issues of legalizing weed and not going to war, but they also are pro gun and very economically conservative. Despite disagreeing with many of Sanders' economic plans they still see him as the only viable candidate. They view the Republican party in its current from as a mess, and view Clinton as a divisive hawk.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
I don't think I know any conservatives who would vote for Hillary OR Bernie. But I think I know quite a few that will stay home if Trump is the nominee. And THAT is the only way Dems get the House back...

Wouldn't THAT be a kick in the ass... :)

Run, Trump, Run... ;)
 
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Farid

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I know some conservatives that wouldn't vote for Hillary or Bernie, and if it was Trump vs Bernie they would not vote at all. But if it was Trump vs Hillary their hatred of Hillary could make them vote Trump. That's what I mean when I say she's a divisive candidate.
 

lwien

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Did anyone see the GOP's response to the State of the Union? This was a first. I have never seen both an out going Democratic president AND the person that gave the GOP response both hit hard on the Republican leader in the polls.........Trump.

Hats off to Nikki Haley. That was the best response to a State of the Union that I have ever heard. The best chance that the GOP has against the Dems would be a Rubio/Haley ticket.
 

Chill Dude

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Is Trump's attack on weather or not Cruz is a US Citizen actually gaining traction? I poll now says that 16% say they are concerned about it. Wow, Trump is a pro at stirring the shit!!
 
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@lwien at first I thought Halley was bold to give such a softball response which was hated by the conservative wing of the party. However, it appears obvious she's jockeying for the VP slot should a establishment candidate get the nomination.. I don't think that's likely though...

I think Trump's ahead of the pack by about a 20% margin in South Carolina right now..
 
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CarolKing

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In an interview with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, following the so-called “undercard” debate for the GOP also-rans, former HP CEO Carly Fiorina launched a vicious and personal attack on Hillary Clinton that clearly disgusted the Hardball host.

During the debate, Fiorina sniped at Clinton without mentioning her name, saying, “Unlike another woman in this race, I actually love spending time with my husband.”

Pressed by Matthews whether the Clinton’s have a “real marriage,” Fiorina smirked and repeated, “They’ve been married for a really long time,” over and over again as he rephrased the question.

After being accused by Matthews of avoiding answering the question, Fiorina went off the rails as she attacked the Democratic front-runner while an appalled Matthews looked on.

“There are so many other things we could talk about like the fact that Mrs. Clinton wants to go to the White House — she’s qualified for the big house,” Fiorina said as she dropped all pretense of fake smiling for the camera.”She should be prosecuted. She has not been prosecuted for things that took a great warrior out of office, David Petraeus.”

“So let’s talk about that, Chris,” Fiorina continued. “Let’s talk about how amazing it is that this woman, that cannot be trusted, who should have been prosecuted by now, has just raked in more money than any single candidate.”


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WATCH: Carly Fiorina goes bonkers after desperate attack on Hillary Clinton’s marriage

I thought it was a cheap shot about "I like to spend time with my husband." Let's grow up. I couldn't even find the debate on TV. I realize Carly wasn't in the actual debate because she wasn't high enough in the polls. It said it was on Fox Business channel. I have over a hundred channels and couldn't find where it was? I probably could have watched online but didn't bother.
CK
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal

Credit Illustration by Istvan Banyai
June 28, 2015

Jeff Landry, an aide to Donald Trump, scratched the back of his right leg with his left shoe, stalling. You have to answer just right, or he goes apeshit. Jeff remembered grimly what a pleasant change he’d thought this job would be, but now he looked back on those six harrowing weeks working for Harvey Weinstein like a long-ago Hanukkah.
The question Trump had put to him was “How do we close this?” Jeff played it safe: “I say go big.”
Trump lit up.
“I can do big,” he said. “This whole thing, which was my idea, incidentally, and a very good idea, really a very great idea, was about bigness. We had a problem: ‘The Apprentice’ was tanking. I couldn’t get on Fallon or Kimmel anymore. NBC was going to replace me, and that’s bad for my brand. It’s not like bankruptcy—which I have done many times before, and I do it very well, by the way, really better than anyone, because I’m a winner. I win at everything, even bankruptcy. So, before they give me the axe, I announce that I’m running for President and boom! Winner again. Talk shows are begging me to come on. NBC offers me twice my old money. Mission accomplished. But now I gotta get out. Running for President is bullshit. What kind of loser would do this? Get me a rally.”
“And you’ll announce that you’re dropping out?” Jeff said.
“No! I can’t announce that I’m quitting to go back to TV—it makes me look like a joke. I have to be forced out.”
“But how?”
“You know how politically correct this country is—Jesus, it makes me sick,” Trump said. “In fact, if Jesus himself were here he’d agree with me. I know a lot about Jesus, by the way. A really tremendous person—he would’ve loved the Trump West Bank. Anyway, I’m going to say that Mexicans are rapists, and we’re kicking them all out. No one wants a heartless President, but that’s exactly what you want in a guy who says ‘You’re fired’ for a living. Boosts my brand. I’ll be back on NBC by Christmas.”
July 12, 2015

Jeff flinched as a half-full box of Krispy Kremes smashed into the wall by his head. “Excuse me?” Trump said. “You’re telling me that I gave the Mexicans-are-rapists speech, which was one of the worst pieces of out-and-out racism ever uttered by a non-Southerner, and my numbers have gone up?”
Jeff nodded, as unhappy as Trump. “By a lot.”
Trump picked the doughnuts up off the floor. There were six left, and he ate them as he thought. “O.K.,” he said, his lips flecked with green and yellow sprinkles. “Here’s my mistake. I’m good at everything, even identifying my own mistakes. I picked on the Mexicans. Nobody cares about the Mexicans. Personally, I love them. They’ve helped me clean out a lot of my properties after they went into foreclosure through no fault of my own. But I forgot that this is the G.O.P. Get me on a talk show. I know how to get the base upset.”
July 22, 2015

Jeff wiped sixty-four ounces of iced Dunkaccino off his shirt. He was losing his touch—he’d been sure that the cup would break to the left, but it hadn’t.
“This is not possible,” Trump snarled. “You know I’m a draft dodger, right? Only Cheney got more deferments than I did. The closest I’ve ever come to fatal combat was when I ran into Rosie O’Donnell in a men’s room. So here I am, a known draft dodger, and I go on TV and question the courage of a genuine American war hero, John McCain, and, instead of drumming me out of the race so I can get back to my empire, my numbers have gone up again?”
“Ten points,” Jeff said.
“No wonder I’m a Democrat. No wonder I invited Hillary to my wedding. These people are nuts. Next time, I’m going to go really big.”
January 12, 2016

Trump slumped in his chair. He’d been holding the last slice of an extra-large everything pizza for an unheard-of five whole minutes without eating it. Jeff’s applications to work for calmer, nicer men—Rahm Emanuel, Robert Durst, the new social-media guy at ISIS—had so far not come through. He hardly slept anymore, and even though he was only thirty, his hands shook as if he’d just survived a plane crash.
“Let’s review,” Trump said. “I said that Megyn Kelly was menstruating. I insulted Carly Fiorina’s face. I did a routine about Ben Carson’s belt that should have provoked a psychiatric intervention. I proposed internment camps for the Muslims already here, and then I said that we should bar all other Muslims from entering the country. And you’re telling me that my numbers are what?”
“The highest ever,” Jeff said, dropping behind a club chair as a platinum blow-dryer shot past him.
Trump wandered over to the window. “We have a serious problem,” he said, almost not eating the pizza. “I might win.” ♦
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Actually, what would be really cool is to have a couple of the Republicans at Sunday's Dem debate. I bet THAT would get some viewership. It would certainly make it more exciting...

Love this cover, tho:
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If only it was him and Trump having a play date. That would be perfect.
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The Republicans are always talking about Ronald Reagan.. I was a young woman back then but he wasn't all that popular. He was president for 2 terms but did a lot of damage to the economy during those eight years.

He also let loose a lot of mentally ill folks from institutions. Money was cut and never reinstated. The country has never been the same since. He tripled the debt and his approval ratings weren't as good as Bill Clinton's when he was in office.

These Republicans today most are nothing like Ronald Reagan. He was always upbeat about the country and came across as a nice guy. He was also a very polite person and never would speak like some of the republican candidates today. President Reagan probably had the beginnings of Alzheimer's during the later half of his presidency.
 
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Adobewan

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"What a beautiful face...".
Really guys?
I don't like her lying or previous job performance anymore than the next guy, but it's not a beauty pageant, even though it's run like one.

I continue to be surprised by some of the hard core support Hillary gets. True she's not as bad as most of the Republicans but...

Here's a prediction, Joe Biden will enter, around convention time, and take the whole thing. If he has Wonder Woman, Elizabeth Warren(pipe dream I know) with him it's a certified slam dunk.
I still believe more people don't like/trust Hillary than don't like/trust Trump. Again, he is a TV celebrity and she has lots of baggage. That goes a bit of distance in 'Murca.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
"What a beautiful face...".
Really guys?
I don't like her lying or previous job performance anymore than the next guy, but it's not a beauty pageant, even though it's run like one.
Just to be clear I was riffing on Trump's disrespect in making such a comment, not commenting on Fiorini's appearance. Who CARES what she looks like? Having a squirrel live on your head should disqualify you from discussing other peoples appearance anyway...
 

Amoreena

Grown up Flower Child
"What a beautiful face...".
I saw the above as a reminder of what Trump said about her awhile back, which was: "Look at that face," in an insulting way. Don't think @cybrguy was actually commenting on her appearance at all. :shrug:

Edit: And he just confirmed it.
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
I WILL say to be completely honest that I DID giggle a little when I saw him say it live, before the reality of how inappropriate it was took over. I cannot lie. But it's inappropriateness reigned as of course it should.
 
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