Discontinued Supreme Vaporizer

[Stu]

I still don't get the point of the second stem. How is it practical? What am I missing?

 

[Gray Area]

I still don't get the point of the second stem. How is it practical? What am I missing?

I don't get it either if I'm honest. It can ONLY be for sharing... surely And even then direct with a whip (??)

Who knows... well I guess Ed does, but he isn't letting on.

 

[Elfgrin]

You can easily refill the second stem as soon as you're done with your current stem because while your current stem is still screaming hot the second stem has had time to cool down a little. Plus having two loaded lets you have twice as much ready to go beforehand. There's a silicone plug in the second stem when it arrives. The plug kinda has to be used for one at all times, if you really wanted to use both stems at once you'd either need to both pull at the same time or have one way valves to prevent back-flow. Another nice thing is when you have a guest who's CBD-only and one who's extra chronic. Today two guests could choose their strain passing along a single vape simply by swapping a plug.

I'm sure more insights will come as I go back and read more about everyone's experiences with the single stem version. When I didn't see any posts about this buddy I almost felt obligated to get the dually

 

[vapirtoo]

My temp. readout went dead, so I got a batt{ 6 bucks at walgreens; 6 for 20 at amazon}
and the readout worked at first but would not come back on after it timed out.
I had to switch the buttons as the on\off button kept sticking.
Now the on/off switch is great, and I never use the the conversion button anyway.
Oh Yeah
Smooth milky hits like no other just keep on keeping on.

 

[Morty]

Switching things up & have been using the convection setup the last couple days w/ my Sup & have a question.

Do most convection devices that can hold more than a couple hits all give up the flavor in the 1st hit or two ? Everytime the flavor starts to disappear after that 1st hit or two, the material still has plenty of life left in it. Is this just the nature of the beast w/ larger loads & convection heating ?

Oh, and @biohacker. Yes, there where a couple times it made me sneeze using the Vapocane adapter w/ the Sup convection style. Just happened twice, but man, when it hits your sinuses the right (wrong) way, you definitely feel it. A good hard sneeze after a heavy convection hit makes me feel a little light headed like coughing after a big combustion hit used to. I wished I sneezed more.

 

[biohacker]

@Morty it really is something, i've had to give up grinding pretty much, which makes the Supreme the perfect vape for me with my sensitivities and allergies. The less surface to mass ratio for me the better, and the Supreme obliterates through even the most dense buds! The convection mode is for flavour savour special boutique strains for me! Sometimes it's worth the agony.

I'm back on the stock aluminum tubes... the glass tubes are okay, but that slight reduction in airflow kinda kills it for me. Just needs a slightly larger inner diameter to match the aluminum.

#1 on my VAS when released -> Electric Supreme! The ability to maintain a temperature....

 

[Morty]

the Supreme obliterates through even the most dense buds!

This is the TRUTH!!!

The ability to maintain a temperature

Yes. One of the weak points of the Supreme. This vape reminds me of those Heinz ketchup commercials, "Good things come to those who wait".

I'm back on the stock aluminum tubes... the glass tubes are okay, but that slight reduction in airflow kinda kills it for me. Just needs a slightly larger inner diameter to match the aluminum.

Agree to disagree. Glass stems all the way for this guy. Even combined w/ my 14mm bong, I don't find the draw restriction bad. This is all personal & subjective of course.

The convection mode is for flavour savour

Yes, true, but....I'll save that one for later. I have a few pictures of the setups I've been using & a couple videos as well I'll post later this week. Lots of thoughts & opinions. Suffice to say, no buyer's remorse here. Lovin' it! Thanks again for your help BH.

 

[biohacker]

Agree to disagree. Glass stems all the way for this guy. Even combined w/ my 14mm bong, I don't find the draw restriction bad. This is all personal & subjective of course.

Curious, why do you prefer the glass stems over stock? Personal preference forsure, but I can tell pretty easily the difference in airflow. Perhaps the paper clip screen vs the glass pinch makes a difference here, but i'm quite sensitive, for example, I can't even use an Arizer Solo due to its milkshake air restriction IMO. I can easily toss budlets of my size preference in the stock, but with the glass I gotta make sure they are small enough to fit.

Yes, true, but....I'll save that one for later. I have a few pictures of the setups I've been using & a couple videos as well I'll post later this week. Lots of thoughts & opinions. Suffice to say, no buyer's remorse here. Lovin' it! Thanks again for your help BH.

Dude, imma gunna join you with the pics/vids soon! I now use a claissen adapter with stopper as a carb, so my supreme now stays put. Super easy to reheat too!

Back to torch research to satisfy my TAS! Not sure whether to buy an authentic Blazer GB2001 or clone? Worth paying 4X as much?

So nice of you to join the cult of supreme Morty! I knew you would be a lifer!!!

 

[Morty]

Curious, why do you prefer the glass stems over stock? Personal preference forsure, but I can tell pretty easily the difference in airflow

A couple reasons, but like we said, it's all personal preference. I'll post more about it when I drop the pics.

I'm not a fan of draw restriction at all. I know the feeling of straining neck muscles b/c the draw was too tight. I'll grant you the stock stem provides more airflow due to it's thinner design, but like I said above, I don't find the draw restriction objectionable at all w/ the glass stems.

with the glass I gotta make sure they are small enough to fit

True, but I don't find it time consuming or a hassle. Plus, I used to have a Vapo Pocket Vape, so I guess I'm kinda used to it.

I now use a claissen adapter with stopper as a carb, so my supreme now stays put. Super easy to reheat too!

Ooooh baby! I wanna see this. Can't wait!

 

[vapirtoo]

Great discussion on glass or aluminum tubes!
I use both ,whichever is available.
I cannot tell any difference in taste , but it seems that the metal begins to conduct more than the glass, of course ; leading to higher actual temps.
Since I use my Vapolution glass , the aluminum tubes pack more herb.
I get bigger hits with metal than with glass.
This is all very subjective and not at all scientific.
Oh yeah I still use my pocket vape.

 

[Morty]

@biohacker I should of asked, what glass stem(s) are you using. The bent bowl stems Vapehunter used to cut are thicker than the straight glass stems. Big difference in restriction between the two IMO. justvapin talked about it in the SV3 gongs thread & having used both now I agree 100% w/ what he says.

So a new day, and a new discovery....I had originally ordered 2 of the straight glass Vapolution stems to use with the Supreme, and was planning to cut them down someday. Then @VAPEHUNTER offered some for sale that were already cut ( I am pretty sure he ordered bent stems and cut them as opposed to the straight stems I ordered), so I bought a couple of those, and put away the ones I had for another day.

I wanted to try to shorten the 18mm set up I had made (couple posts back) as much as possible, and decided that with my new found glass cutting ability and bit of knowledge, I would go ahead and finally cut those long stems I had. And I could shorten them a by about 1/3" on the end that goes into the silicone, which is why I was anxious to try it.

When comparing stems to decide on length, I noticed it.......these straight stems I had were made of really thin glass. Much thinner than the stems I got from @VAPEHUNTER (remember--he used bent stems). Which made the inside of the tube (THE BOWL) noticeably larger......and the draw restriction was significantly less!!! By quite a bit. That has always been the issue with these glass tubes to me----- the draw restriction! The aluminum bowls/stem don't have as much issue with this, unless you pack them too tight.

These 2 straight stems I have are darn near as thin walled as the aluminum. They really are thin. I know they will be fragile, but I feel like this is a huge improvement. I don't want thick walled glass here. Better airflow is king for me. If I break these, I can easily make more (another bonus).

So I got out the dremel and safety gear, and BAM, I had them both cut in minutes. It is really so easy to cut this glass I am amazed. Then I polished the edges with my torch, another 15 seconds each or so, and I had 2 more glass bowls.

I put the shorter one onto my 18mm glass stem, and now have a 4 1/2 inch or so stem for the Supreme! And I can load quite a bit more without restricting the draw, and it hits EVEN better because of the improvement in draw. I am probably going to take another 1/3" off the 18mm stem portion so I can have this down to about 4 inches total.

My Supreme is now actually performing better with this thin glass. Makes a large difference. The draw restriction with this particular glass is identical to what I experience with the original aluminum tubes.
I just want to stress that the draw restriction improvement seems dramatic to me. The setup I have now is absolutely perfect.

SO, going forward, I suppose a design consideration that I can now say is critical will be the thickness of the glass used for the bowl portion. Ideally, the thinner here the better, but I understand breakage will still have to considered as well.

P.S.....none of this is meant to be any kind of slight toward the tubes I got from @VAPEHUNTER...they were perfect in every way!!!! ....I'm just pointing out the difference in the thickness of the glass...

Dude, you crack me up. On the next page of the SV3 gongs thread this is said.

Never had an issue with airflow with the glass stems from vapolution

You nutball!

 

[Morty]

Shitty camera. Sounds out of sync. Oh well.

From the bottom up: chunk, fine grind, little wax, chunk in my 9mm Vapolution 2.0 "testing" stem.

 

[biohacker]

@biohacker I should of asked, what glass stem(s) are you using. The bent bowl stems Vapehunter used to cut are thicker than the straight glass stems. Big difference in restriction between the two IMO. justvapin talked about it in the SV3 gongs thread & having used both now I agree 100% w/ what he says.

Dude, you crack me up. On the next page of the SV3 gongs thread this is said.

You nutball!

Dude, @justvapin explained it precisely. This is all an "aha moment", or more like an "ahfuck moment" for me! I've realized things now, because I think I had the thinner walled straight tube from @lazylathe from back in the day, but the girlfriend broke it. I picked up a bunch from @VAPEHUNTER and just assumed they were the same. Then 3 months went by without use due to a break, and now that the break is over i've been able to do some serious side to side testing with the stock aluminum vs the glass bent, and it's exactly like justvapin says. I can't use the thicker walled glass tubes that were originally bent. I need those thin walled straight glass tubes now! If anyone has any extras, or is willing to order and cut, please PM if you can hook me up and i'd be happy to paypal you something for your troubles! The GonG that we need must have that thinner walled glass!

And nice video man! I guess the stem really doesn't need cutting? But damn, you got some use out of it eh!? lol Time for a reclaim or a cleaning! But i'm anal, I clean my glass for every 1-2g I put through it.

Best vape ever! And oh yeah @Morty I actually found a bunch of pics of my setup when I received my gong so i'll get them up soon, and then i'll take some bigger ones of everything all clean, and vids too!

 

[Aimless Ryan]

After following this thread for at least a few weeks and watching quite a few videos, I still can't figure out what constitutes a Supreme stem. Anyone have a link to a video or pictures that may help me better understand? (EDIT: Nevermind. I found a good video. That's pretty much what I figured was going on, but it was hard to tell because every other video I'd seen uses a water tool.)

I recently figured out glass Underdog stems are simply 5" (length) 8 mm ID glass-blowing tubes. Which are available very cheaply on the internet. In lots of lengths.

 

[VAPEHUNTER]

I picked up a bunch from @VAPEHUNTER and just assumed they were the same....

Well that sucks man! I feel kinda shitty about sending out thick walled stems to our little community here. When I bought them from Gotvape.com they only had one style, the bent stem. I had no idea there were different types.
I'm gonna be wrapped up in "real life" for the next few months but as soon as shit calms down and I have some free time I'd gladly order some thin stems for us. If we buy more than 10 they are only 3 bucks each and you know I'll hook you up on the shipping.
I'm sending my Supreme3 back to @PeteSeattle today so while he has it maybe he can test different wall thicknesses on the stems?

 

[Morty]

Well that sucks man! I feel kinda shitty about sending out thick walled stems to our little community here. When I bought them I had no idea there were different types.

Don't feel shitty. Your a hell of a guy Vapehunter! Now we know about the difference in thicknesses. That's the good part. The fact that you even bothered in the 1st place speaks to your character. Add in the fact you sent Pete Seattle your Supreme to use. Your a hell of a nice guy. Maybe, too nice...

If you do end up making some thin walled stems down the line, keep me in mind. While you don't have to cut them down (as you can see in my video), you can't use them w/ a banger hanger or j-hook uncut. That's how I really want to try my Supreme; w/ a cut down 9mm straight stem used conduction style heated up from room temperature w/ a j-hook. I'm getting a chub just thinking about it.

I guess the stem really doesn't need cutting?

Not if your downstem can accommodate it. Easy as fuck to pull out after your done. I posted this a couple pages back for @tatbock. You need to start keeping up w/ this thread again. Too much time over at the VL forum ? Just bustin' your chops.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/supreme-vaporizer.317/page-133#post-1143366

@lazylathe had a picture of the same setup, but the picture is no longer available.

But damn, you got some use out of it eh!?

Lol. Just a little. I've never tried stem milk before. Might do it tonight after work w/ a buddy. Hoping it's an ass kicker! 4 EFFECTS!!!

I clean my glass for every 1-2g I put through it.

I actually clean my glass & stems spotless everyday or two. Well, except my 2 "testing" stems that is.

nice video man!

Thanks. Then like that shit mayne! I'm trying to get enough trophy points to pick up some accessories from the new FC gift shop.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/how-to-get-trophy-points.23515/#post-1079295

I still can't figure out what constitutes a Supreme stem.

The Supreme comes standard w/ a aluminium stem. You can also use a Vapolution 2.0 9mm straight glass stem as it's the same diameter & the thickness is close to the same as the stock aluminum stem.

That video you linked to, Ed is using the aluminum stem inserted w/ the 18mm seal sticking out of the end where you put the stem in the heating block & using the silicone mouthpiece over it for direct draw.

Switching things up & have been using the convection setup the last couple days w/ my Sup & have a question.

Do most convection devices that can hold more than a couple hits all give up the flavor in the 1st hit or two ? Everytime the flavor starts to disappear after that 1st hit or two, the material still has plenty of life left in it. Is this just the nature of the beast w/ larger loads & convection heating ?

No one chimed in. @lazylathe Would you be so nice as to answer this for me. If this is the case for most convection vapes, most all my future vape purchases will be ones where the flavor AND the actives are all used up at the same time (preferably in the 1st hit or two).

 

[lazylathe]

@Morty

F$@&*!NG photobucket...
I think these are the pics you are talking about.

And to try and answer your question...
Yes, most of the flavor is gone if you are using high temps.
With lower temps you can ride the flavor wave for longer but you will also have a lot of actives left in your herb.
When i use the pure convection method i grind very fine and load just enough for one hit.
When i lift the S3 the herb is toast!
The Glass Symphony reproduces this effect in a more mannered way imo.
The trick is to have a large hot mass above the load, almost zero restriction and perfect distance to the herb.

Try reducing your load size and maybe upping your temp slightly!

 

[biohacker]

Well that sucks man! I feel kinda shitty about sending out thick walled stems to our little community here. When I bought them from Gotvape.com they only had one style, the bent stem. I had no idea there were different types.
I'm gonna be wrapped up in "real life" for the next few months but as soon as shit calms down and I have some free time I'd gladly order some thin stems for us. If we buy more than 10 they are only 3 bucks each and you know I'll hook you up on the shipping.

Dude, it's so not a big deal whatsoever, please don't feel shitty - you did an awesome job and when you have time i'd definitely be down for some thinner tubes from the straight ones. It's all a learning process and evolution! Thanks again bro.

 

[Morty]

Thanks @lazylathe. I get what your saying about lower temps. That's one of the things I love about the Sup is that once you find your temp, you can get really good flavor, clouds & effect. All in one vape money shot. BAM!

I've been grinding fine & using the convection setup when I want to microdose w/ it like you suggested. Temps in the 320's to 330's.

The Symphony sounds beautiful.

And concentrates conduction style in the Supreme are the absolute shit! You should bust her out lazy & try it like I did above. Blows down my doors! Love, love, love it!

 

[biohacker]

And concentrates conduction style in the Supreme are the absolute shit!

I like it better than an e-nail! Been experimenting with organic cotton wrapped shatter dabs and WOOAW!!

Double deckers are something else too!

 

[subway13029]

@duff that is the 14mm? titanium adapter? who was lucky to grab that? i have the 18 and havent used a regular stock stem since...i think he only made 4 adapters total and i know sticks has 1.

 

[duff]

@duff that is the 14mm?

No it's an 18mm but they are beautiful.

 

[Morty]

@VAPEHUNTER I did it! Thanks to your instructions

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/supreme-vaporizer.317/page-108#post-1072009

I now have a cut glass stem I can use w/ my j-hooks & banger hanger. Goddamn, this is the vape that just keeps giving.

Fucked up the 1st attempt, but the 2nd one came out almost perfect. Sanded it down a little & then flame polished it w/ the torch. Now I have a stem that can fit more material than the stock stem. PARTY BOWL!!! No ass kissing here, seriously, thank you @VAPEHUNTER! I don't have a dremel tool so your instructions proved invaluable.

 

[VAPEHUNTER]

@VAPEHUNTER I did it! Thanks to your instructions

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/supreme-vaporizer.317/page-108#post-1072009

I now have a cut glass stem I can use w/ my j-hooks & banger hanger. Goddamn, this is the vape that just keeps giving.

Fucked up the 1st attempt, but the 2nd one came out almost perfect. Sanded it down a little & then flame polished it w/ the torch. Now I have a stem that can fit more material than the stock stem. PARTY BOWL!!! No ass kissing here, seriously, thank you @VAPEHUNTER! I don't have a dremel tool so your instructions proved invaluable.

Nice man glad it worked for you. I had quite a few that turned out like this

 

[Morty]

Haha. My 1st attempt looked just like the one on the right. So pumped. Can't wait to try it out tonight w/ the j-hook & see how it stacks up against the Vapolution 2.0 All-In-Wonder Bowl. A back to back comparison session I think will be in order. Can't wait to get riggity riggity wrecked son!