So what needs to happen.....

[StickyShisha2]

 

[JCat]

One of the main reasons is when myself, my family or property is under threat I have my god and country given right to defend myself with deadly force. The day someone tries to rob my house or terrorize my family will be the day they will be filled with hollow point fragments on my property (and husky bites lol) I also carry my handgun in public to defend myself or anyone that needs it. My friends are police officers and firemen who all belive the same thing. The response time of 911 to get the police (who have guns) is 8 min. The response time of one average honest citizen to react in a life or death situation is around 5 seconds. Because the legal and mental health systems are not working propertly it should be more difficult for someone to purchase firearms, and after be required to pass a mental state exam. The details will be decided soon I'm sure.. The sad thing is that the horric acts that happened with assualt rifles could just have happened with hand guns. Never the less only Seal teams should carry around 30 round extended clips for ar-15's even thought my good friend owns the same setup, another a bugarian ak-47. Good thing they are also service men.

Except the result of owning a gun for protection is more often than not someone being accidentally shot instead of actual protection and a "bad guy" being shot. As well, wouldn't a non-lethal method of self-protection be better? Why do we want to kill someone? Wouldn't it be better to avoid the conflict and hopefully have the person apprehended peacefully by people with full training to do this type of thing? (I own guns for hunting, partridge mostly, but they are kept well locked up with bullets separate and also locked up--according to cdn law. If someone was to break into my house the gun would definitely NOT be the first thing I would go for ... plus it would take me much more time to get the gun, bullets, loaded, etc. that by then I would have been shot if that was the intent .... I don't want to risk shooting some kid that's misguided and breaking into my house either ... nor a family member or friend or someone who is intoxicated and accidentally wandered into the wrong house ... these things do happen ... not an ideal situation but the person probably doesn't deserve death for it ...)

Violent force is very rarely required and violence begets violence ... just my 2cents ... offering the CDN perspective--or mine anyways--not saying it's the only perspective ...

 

[kushcabbage]

survivors sue. Also keep my guns are loaded, no worrying about loading. Pillow gun, closet gun, drawer gun, bed shotgun.. all loaded.

 

[lwien]

So let me get this straight. You'd kill someone to keep them from suing you?

 

[kushcabbage]

Correct? Why would you leave someone half dead on your property? In this scenario, where someone was breaking in, yes. Shoot to kill. Not to wound.. I'm of the opinion that they had better had their favorite meal before they stepped foot into MY house to do their dirty work.

 

[lwien]

I wouldn't leave them half dead on my property. I would call 911 and try to keep this person alive for as long as possible.

The ONLY reason that I would use lethal force is if my life or the life of my loved ones were in danger and I had no other means to stop the threat. Once the threat is over, I would go into life saving mode, but hey, that's just me.

survivors sue. Also keep my guns are loaded, no worrying about loading. Pillow gun, closet gun, drawer gun, bed shotgun.. all loaded.

Wow. Hey, I'm a gun owner as well, but what you describe above definitely falls into the area of paranoia, eh?

I'm curious. Do you live alone? Do you have kids in the house?

Yup, and this is what boggles my mind. Anytime the conversation comes up of banning extended round clips or AR-15,'s the 2nd amendment right comes up and that whole "slippery slope argument comes up as well. That "slippery slope" argument can be used to defend ANY position, regardless what that position is, and the ONLY way that it makes any sense is if you really believe that what is at the end of that slippery slope is actually there. I have no doubt that our founding fathers thought no further than the muskets that they were using at the time when they wrote in the 2nd Amendment.

If that slippery slope argument really made any sense, than having that F-14 in your driveway may actually makes sense as well.

 

[JCat]

Well put Lwien ... your sentiments echo mine in many ways. I live in a small Northern town where people like to have a good time (and many drink too much ) ... and if people kept loaded guns in their drawers, under their pillows, etc., then the fatalities around here from guns would go from 1-2 every decade to probably half a dozen a year through accidents and stupidity.

ie. if people in this Town used their guns for "protection" (and not hunting), and kept them loaded and at ready, then the death rate from gunshots would go up I would estimate from 1000-5000% (maybe more). ... interestingly enough ... that is in fact what happens as well based on the statistics I've seen. Very few houses are successfully defended by home owners with guns ... more often someone is shot by mistake because the owners are overzealous in their need to protect their property.

I just don't believe in violence except as an absolute last resort ... the least violent solution to any problem should always be applied. Same with incarceration ... people shouldn't be put in jail just because the law says so ... but should only be incarcerated for the protection of society and themselves.

Edit: It's also been my observation that the real anti-marijuana crusaders are big NRA advocates ... cannabis and the culture encourages peaceful resolution of disputes ... not killing each other.

 

[kushcabbage]

Alabama is a bit different, than Canada. We have relaxed laws down here. I was raised with guns all my life and know the commandments. Here's something I'll leave right here: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/sur...arry-holder-opening-fire-on-would-be-robbers/

*edit*need these merged, I know bettter..*edit*

I wouldn't leave them half dead on my property. I would call 911 and try to keep this person alive for as long as possible.

The ONLY reason that I would use lethal force is if my life or the life of my loved ones were in danger and I had no other means to stop the threat. Once the threat is over, I would go into life saving mode, but hey, that's just me.



Wow. Hey, I'm a gun owner as well, but what you describe above definitely falls into the area of paranoia, eh?

I'm curious. Do you live alone? Do you have kids in the house?

I live with my beautiful fiancé and our puppy dogs
Paranoia is a panic room, I've got nothing to be scared of. I don't live dangerously and live in a great part of the city. I've got a few guns, and no automatics or assault rifles. When I have kids, of course those guns will be locked. I even have the bio quick hand scanner lock for my .380 auto. We love going to the lake and shooting target and clays, hunting, going to the range. Guns are second nature to most here. My best friend in business law has over 40 collector rifles, he just like collecting. Nothing paranoid there.

 

[lwien]

I live with my beautiful fiancé and our puppy dogs
Paranoia is a panic room, I've got nothing to be scared of. I don't live dangerously and live in a great part of the city. I've got a few guns, and no automatics or assault rifles. When I have kids, of course those guns will be locked. I even have the bio quick hand scanner lock for my .380 auto. We love going to the lake and shooting target and clays, hunting, going to the range. Guns are second nature to most here. My best friend in business law has over 40 collector rifles, he just like collecting. Nothing paranoid there.

For the record, I'm not an anti-gun guy at all. I have a few guns as well, a 40mm semi and a .357. LOVE to go to the range. I never go hunting though. Killed a bluejay once with a BB gun when I was a kid and felt guilty for a week, but I'm not against hunting either.

What I am against is the legal purchasing of extending round clips, assault rifles, fully automatic weapons and body armor. Also, I think that 40% of gun purchases without permits (gun show purchases) is insane when one thinks about felons, those who are mentally ill, and terrorists can simply go into a gun show and purchase guns, ammo, and body armor, and that those that are 2nd amendment protectors actually feel that requiring permits for ALL guns sold threatens that amendment. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[kushcabbage]

What I am against is the legal purchasing of extending round clips, assault rifles, fully automatic weapons and body armor. Also, I think that 40% of gun purchases without permits (gun show purchases) is insane when one thinks about felons, those who are mentally ill, and terrorists can simply go into a gun show and purchase guns, ammo, and body armor, and that those that are 2nd amendment protectors actually feel that requiring permits for ALL guns sold threatens that amendment.

I'm with you there. I went to the gun show yesterday the people I encountered and interacted with were insane. People are allowed to walk around with ammo and assault rifles back to their car from the BJCC center. In the city, next to a hospital and such. Sure there were cops everywhere but the civilians were packing the most heat. I can say I didn't trust anyone there. Prices were so ridiculous for spare parts for assault rifles. My friend payed 60 dollars for a basic clip he would have bought for 15 dollars at any Walmart before.

 

[lwien]

I'm with you there. I went to the gun show yesterday the people I encountered and interacted with were insane. People are allowed to walk around with ammo and assault rifles back to their car from the BJCC center. In the city, next to a hospital and such. Sure there were cops everywhere but the civilians were packing the most heat. I can say I didn't trust anyone there. Prices were so ridiculous for spare parts for assault rifles. My friend payed 60 dollars for a basic clip he would have bought for 15 dollars at any Walmart before.

Yup. I went to a gun show once and I was like.............WTF !?!?!

The NRA had a real opportunity to gain some legitimacy with non-NRA members after that child massacre when they went on TV to make an official statement but ALL they talked about was armed guards in schools. I'm not against that idea but to totally ignore other issues that pertain to gun purchases like what happens in gun shows just adds to the insanity.

 

[StickyShisha2]

your not allowed a loaded gun at a us gunshow, so people leaving gunshows load them up in the parking lot. which leads to accidental gunfire.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/19/accidental-shooting-gun-show/1847879/

i'm sure these gun owners know how to safely handle their weapons, right?