Silicone Carbide/Titanium hybrid nails

[herbivore21]

Here she is:

Yikes!
Even silicone approved for baking?
Baking temperatures definitely exceed 140C.


@weenstoned: thank you for the link.

Yup, baking approved silicone will be more like actual oil slicks, which are treated with a heat resistant coating to provide higher heat resistance. Baking temps are considerably lower than dabbing temps. Low temp dabs at 599f equate to 315 centigrade or so. Way hotter than you are safe to use the best purpose made silicone with.

Loving the look of that recycler rig with the SiC on it bro, looking good!

Edit: BTW just noticed you have affixed your sapphire insert below the ti retaining nut! This is incorrect assembly and may lead to breakage of your sapphire insert! the sapphire insert is made to sit on top of the ti retaining nut, which limits conductive heat on the sapphire and allows for the convective heat to do the heavy lifting.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

^^^ @herbivore21, thank you for your observant eye.

After soaking the locking nut and sapphire insert in ISO overnight, and then using an uber fine plastic dental pick, I was able to unstick the insert from the nut.


The Sapphire insert now sits proudly atop the dish of SiC!

WOO-HOO!

 

[DieHard]

@herbivore21 do you think this coil will work with the SiC. It is the Infiniti coil from Errlectric. A freebie with my second box. It is a solid chunk of threaded Ti pressed into the coil. Could I be on the verge of the perfect ENAil?

 

[herbivore21]

@herbivore21 do you think this coil will work with the SiC. It is the Infiniti coil from Errlectric. A freebie with my second box. It is a solid chunk of threaded Ti pressed into the coil. Could I be on the verge of the perfect ENAil?

Can't see any pic of the coil there. Sure sounds like it'll work though brother put a pic up and ill have a look

Edit: just checked it out here: http://www.errlectric.com/index.php...oncentration-station-with-infinitycoil-heater

Now that seems like it includes an infiniti barrel coil adapter, but what I can't tell you is as follows:

1. I am not sure if there is space above that barrel coil adapter to fit and secure a SiC dish/Quartz or Sapphire Halo onto an Infiniti. Still, there is a chance it might work.

2. I know that barrel coils flat out do not function as well as flat coils for infiniti/SiC/halos. Still, if you can fit any of these heads onto the nail, I think SiC will still work very well, just might take longer to get to temp on the dish when you turn it on and may dip in temp when you hit it due to less efficient heating. I would not recommend the use of quartz or sapphire halos on this setup though. Still, if SiC works, you're in luck bro!

 

[DieHard]

Edited to add pic above @herbivore21 . The coil is all I got, so no thread or other parts. It would depend on conduction from the Ti to the SiC. I may be able to move the coil up to the very top of the cylinder so that it contacts the dish.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

^^^ I say give it a shot and report back.


I love my SiC dish (although I don't have anything to compare it too), and they are still 20% off!

 

[herbivore21]

Edited to add pic above @herbivore21 . The coil is all I got, so no thread or other parts. It would depend on conduction from the Ti to the SiC. I may be able to move the coil up to the very top of the cylinder so that it contacts the dish.

Hmmmm, interesting! I am quite busy right now but could you measure the height (in mm) of the titanium nut there that the coil wraps around?

With that, I can measure the length of the centre rod of my infiniti and a SiC dish and see if there should still be enough space to assemble properly

Also, tell me, do you intend to use it on a male or female GonG joint (as in what is the joint on your rig?)?

EDIT: Actually brother, after considering this pic:

I noticed that the height of the standard infiniti large dish shown in this pic is the same height as the centre hole which the retaining lug sits atop to hold the SiC onto the infiniti base. This tells me that you shouldn't have trouble using SiC on this setup! I think SiC will work excellently save for somewhat longer heatup time as mentioned above.

I strongly advise against using either of the halos though, due to increased risk of thermal expansion related breakage and inadequate efficiency of heat transfer which will not doubt lead to trails

 

[darkrom]

So I've come to terms that its going to be impossible to get the universal carb cap dabber, because its been out of stock since I got the nail months ago.

Is there any other carb cap dabber combo that works just as good as the dnail one? I can't find one anywhere. Right now my carb cap (custom,) is sticking to my new sappharie insert that I otherwise love.

D nail told me by the end of the week. I checked daily, its been a month since they said that.

 

[weenstoned]

Someone posted a couple pages back in the "next generation e-nails?" thread that they were back in stock on Oct 29 Post #1608 in the thread. Must be a lot of people in your similar situation. Doesn't really help you though.

 

[Monsoon]

So I've come to terms that its going to be impossible to get the universal carb cap dabber, because its been out of stock since I got the nail months ago.

Is there any other carb cap dabber combo that works just as good as the dnail one? I can't find one anywhere. Right now my carb cap (custom,) is sticking to my new sappharie insert that I otherwise love.

D nail told me by the end of the week. I checked daily, its been a month since they said that.

They said they would have a tiny batch (which sold out in under a day) and then a bigger batch later. I can confirm the iDab carb cap works adequately and others have said this HIVE carb cap works well with it too.

 

[darkrom]

UGH I just want one final accessory. Trying to cut down on the "collecting" of random shit. I want the one carb cab and dabber to last and last lol. I had the idab before, but if I could get that universal carb cap I'd be set since I know titanium isn't going to break, ever.

 

[MileHighLife]

They said they would have a tiny batch (which sold out in under a day) and then a bigger batch later. I can confirm the iDab carb cap works adequately and others have said this HIVE carb cap works well with it too.

Does your idab carb cap actually fit over the nail or do the lip of the cap and nail rest on each other when you use the idab cap? My idab cap doesn't fit over the nail but butts up against it and works ok. I emailed idab glass about their design not working properly with the popular halo dishes and the dude said he was going to look into widening the opening to > 27mm to accomodate the halo dishes ... I guess we'll see. The Hive cap works flawlessly on the halo dishes on the other hand.

Anyone tried out the Liger v2 by concentrate connoisseur? They offer a quartz insert and have a preorder up for a SiC insert.
http://www.cca710.com/liger/

 

[Monsoon]

Does your idab carb cap actually fit over the nail or do the lip of the cap and nail rest on each other when you use the idab cap? My idab cap doesn't fit over the nail but butts up against it and works ok. I emailed idab glass about their design not working properly with the popular halo dishes and the dude said he was going to look into widening the opening to > 27mm to accomodate the halo dishes ... I guess we'll see. The Hive cap works flawlessly on the halo dishes on the other hand.

Anyone tried out the Liger v2 by concentrate connoisseur? They offer a quartz insert and have a preorder up for a SiC insert.
http://www.cca710.com/liger/

It just sits on the lip but it seems to be one of the better alternatives right now.

Someone mentioned the Liger nails in the Next Gen E-nail thread, they seem like innovative nails at a great price.

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

Earlier today I gave my new SiC Halo (paired with the Slim Series Base) it's first dab. I'll be purchasing the D-Nail, DIY Kit shortly, which will be my very first D-Nail/E-Nail ever. In the meantime I wasn't about to wait to use this thing so I ended up torching the SiC. I've still got a lot of trial and error to get the hang of using it with a torch but let me say that so far I am absolutely in love with it!!

To date, I've only used a vape shops enail. I have no D/E-Nail experience on my own (I torch dab multi x's daily). Prior to the SiC, no matter the nail, temperature , or carb cap I've used, I always have a ton of concentrate pool up just below the nail. I've already run a good amount of shatter and very runny reclaim through the SiC and so far there is very little concentrate below the nail, only a few random drops! If this keeps up after more heavy use, I may even be able to delete my drop-down from the mix that I currently use to catch reclaim and keep it out of the water. Though if I did that I would need to build a support stand for my rig. At the moment the dropdown is the only thing preventing it from tipping over (and I don't even have the flat coil attached yet)!

The taste and vapor consistency is amazing and as I said I haven't even dialed the temp or waiting period in yet. That's about the hardest part for me at this point. Trying to determine the correct amount of time to torch and then how long to wait is way harder than on a Ti nail. My laser thermometer is MIA so I don't have that at the moment to help guide me. This thing also holds heat very differently than Ti so the normal finger test isn't working that well for me either.

On the negative side, my current carb cap is an ill-fitting one by iDab. The one I just received from High5 Vape's is not the updated version (assuming an updated version was actually released?). If I hold it just right and am able to get it to seal it will work but not very well (at least in my opinion). The iDab also helps me to waste vapor while using it. D-Nail's Gen-2 - 'straight hole' carb cab is currently on the way...

I've also noticed a funky burnt smell (very similar to burnt rubber or a burnt tire) coming off the SiC (or maybe the Slim Series Base?), similar to what one or two other people have mentioned on other threads. It's actually gotten stronger with use. I was outside of my room for about 10 minutes after using the SiC quite a few times in a row. When I came back in I was smacked in the face by a strong burning rubber smell. It persists even after my initial thorough cleaning of each and every part as directed. Also after many dabs and a complete seasoning of the interior of the dish. At this point I have no idea where it's coming from, hopefully it will go away soon!

I can't wait to use this with my forthcoming D-Nail!! Even when inaccurately torching this thing, the flavor and vapor consistency beats every Quartz or Titanium nail I've ever used (I've never tried Ceramic). It doesn't just beat it by a bit either. The difference is drastic, night and day to any other I've tried! Something tells me that I will enjoy this on my D-Nail very much!

As revolutionary and amazing as the SiC truly is, I now can't wait to get a Sapphire insert in the near future (yes, I realize it's only for D-Nail use, no torch). With many of you reporting a drastic, almost night and day difference between the SiC and Sapphire taste, I can't even begin to imagine what that must be like (especially when considering how absolutely, incredibly, amazing, and ground-breaking, the SiC already tastes compared to anything else I've ever tried)!

If you are on the fence about getting this, take everyones advice and grab it ASAP, while it's still on sale. You won't be disappointed!

Thanks to all for posting your experiences and the technical information relating to these products! Between this and the "next generation e-nails" thread, you have all made me a believer and I'm very happy to be so!

Few question's if you all don't mind, I couldn't find answers elsewhere (please!)?

(1.) In regards to heating techniques, my understanding of the Silicone Carbide is that it's incredibly heat resistant and even has a high thermal shock threshold. That said, does this mean I can keep the flame in one spot to heat the nail or could that potentially cause damage? I'm currently circling the dish like I would with glass (& like my friends with Ceramic do) just in case holding in one spot could cause damage.

(2.) How is heat expansion danger with the SiC? Comparable to Ceramic? I ask because on my setup the Ti nut holding the SiC in place keeps coming loose. I'm afraid to tighten it down very hard as I'm worried the SiC could expand and crack or break?

(3.) I realize most of you use this with their D-Nail, but for anyone who torches and has figured out a good ratio for heating and waiting, I would greatly appreciate any feedback you might be willing to share! Thanks!

 

[PoopMachine]

With all due respect to Dnail, youre crazy to pay that for a DIY kit. The Auber unit or Terpz unit does the job at a fraction of the cost and works with Dnails coils. Ive used their coils with both of my units and theyve been chugging right along for probably over a year. Maybe the Dnail unit has been temperature stability but both of my units stay within a few degrees of target.. I can live with that for the difference in price.

 

[Monsoon]

(1.) In regards to heating techniques, my understanding of the Silicone Carbide is that it's incredibly heat resistant and even has a high thermal shock threshold. That said, does this mean I can keep the flame in one spot to heat the nail or could that potentially cause damage? I'm currently circling the dish like I would with glass (& like my friends with Ceramic do) just in case holding in one spot could cause damage.

(2.) How is heat expansion danger with the SiC? Comparable to Ceramic? I ask because on my setup the Ti nut holding the SiC in place keeps coming loose. I'm afraid to tighten it down very hard as I'm worried the SiC could expand and crack or break?

(3.) I realize most of you use this with their D-Nail, but for anyone who torches and has figured out a good ratio for heating and waiting, I would greatly appreciate any feedback you might be willing to share! Thanks!

1) Go here and scroll down to "Temperature Retention Charts" to get the torch timings, heating in one spot is fine.

2) Thermal expansion is low, I don't think it will break but you never want it on too tight just in case.

3) See 1.

I've already run a good amount of shatter and very runny reclaim through the SiC and so far there is very little concentrate below the nail, only a few random drops! If this keeps up after more heavy use, I may even be able to delete my drop-down from the mix that I currently use to catch reclaim and keep it out of the water. Though if I did that I would need to build a support stand for my rig. At the moment the dropdown is the only thing preventing it from tipping over (and I don't even have the flat coil attached yet)!

With heavy use you should see more buildup though maybe it won't be as bad as other naills overall. I'd keep the dropdown for safety, that way you're not directly heating the joint and it will be less of a hassle if the base gets stuck on the joint.

 

[MileHighLife]

Earlier today I gave my new SiC Halo (paired with the Slim Series Base) it's first dab. I'll be purchasing the D-Nail, DIY Kit shortly, which will be my very first D-Nail/E-Nail ever. In the meantime I wasn't about to wait to use this thing so I ended up torching the SiC. I've still got a lot of trial and error to get the hang of using it with a torch but let me say that so far I am absolutely in love with it!!

To date, I've only used a vape shops enail. I have no D/E-Nail experience on my own (I torch dab multi x's daily). Prior to the SiC, no matter the nail, temperature , or carb cap I've used, I always have a ton of concentrate pool up just below the nail. I've already run a good amount of shatter and very runny reclaim through the SiC and so far there is very little concentrate below the nail, only a few random drops! If this keeps up after more heavy use, I may even be able to delete my drop-down from the mix that I currently use to catch reclaim and keep it out of the water. Though if I did that I would need to build a support stand for my rig. At the moment the dropdown is the only thing preventing it from tipping over (and I don't even have the flat coil attached yet)!

The taste and vapor consistency is amazing and as I said I haven't even dialed the temp or waiting period in yet. That's about the hardest part for me at this point. Trying to determine the correct amount of time to torch and then how long to wait is way harder than on a Ti nail. My laser thermometer is MIA so I don't have that at the moment to help guide me. This thing also holds heat very differently than Ti so the normal finger test isn't working that well for me either.

On the negative side, my current carb cap is an ill-fitting one by iDab. The one I just received from High5 Vape's is not the updated version (assuming an updated version was actually released?). If I hold it just right and am able to get it to seal it will work but not very well (at least in my opinion). The iDab also helps me to waste vapor while using it. D-Nail's Gen-2 - 'straight hole' carb cab is currently on the way...

I've also noticed a funky burnt smell (very similar to burnt rubber or a burnt tire) coming off the SiC (or maybe the Slim Series Base?), similar to what one or two other people have mentioned on other threads. It's actually gotten stronger with use. I was outside of my room for about 10 minutes after using the SiC quite a few times in a row. When I came back in I was smacked in the face by a strong burning rubber smell. It persists even after my initial thorough cleaning of each and every part as directed. Also after many dabs and a complete seasoning of the interior of the dish. At this point I have no idea where it's coming from, hopefully it will go away soon!

I can't wait to use this with my forthcoming D-Nail!! Even when inaccurately torching this thing, the flavor and vapor consistency beats every Quartz or Titanium nail I've ever used (I've never tried Ceramic). It doesn't just beat it by a bit either. The difference is drastic, night and day to any other I've tried! Something tells me that I will enjoy this on my D-Nail very much!

As revolutionary and amazing as the SiC truly is, I now can't wait to get a Sapphire insert in the near future (yes, I realize it's only for D-Nail use, no torch). With many of you reporting a drastic, almost night and day difference between the SiC and Sapphire taste, I can't even begin to imagine what that must be like (especially when considering how absolutely, incredibly, amazing, and ground-breaking, the SiC already tastes compared to anything else I've ever tried)!

If you are on the fence about getting this, take everyones advice and grab it ASAP, while it's still on sale. You won't be disappointed!

Thanks to all for posting your experiences and the technical information relating to these products! Between this and the "next generation e-nails" thread, you have all made me a believer and I'm very happy to be so!

Few question's if you all don't mind, I couldn't find answers elsewhere (please!)?

(1.) In regards to heating techniques, my understanding of the Silicone Carbide is that it's incredibly heat resistant and even has a high thermal shock threshold. That said, does this mean I can keep the flame in one spot to heat the nail or could that potentially cause damage? I'm currently circling the dish like I would with glass (& like my friends with Ceramic do) just in case holding in one spot could cause damage.

(2.) How is heat expansion danger with the SiC? Comparable to Ceramic? I ask because on my setup the Ti nut holding the SiC in place keeps coming loose. I'm afraid to tighten it down very hard as I'm worried the SiC could expand and crack or break?

(3.) I realize most of you use this with their D-Nail, but for anyone who torches and has figured out a good ratio for heating and waiting, I would greatly appreciate any feedback you might be willing to share! Thanks!

You can hold the torch in just one spot with no issues but then you'll have a hotter side of the dish and a cooler side of the dish.

I crank the nut down when using SiC ... no issues.

Learn to use a sensitive part of your body as a thermometer to gauge when to dab. I use my face to gauge the heat radiating off the nail as my hands aren't very sensitive to temperature. Be careful ...

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

1) Go here and scroll down to "Temperature Retention Charts" to get the torch timings, heating in one spot is fine.

2) Thermal expansion is low, I don't think it will break but you never want it on too tight just in case.

3) See 1.


With heavy use you should see more buildup though maybe it won't be as bad as other naills overall. I'd keep the dropdown for safety, that way you're not directly heating the joint and it will be less of a hassle if the base gets stuck on the joint.

Thanks. Even if I deleted the drop down from my setup I would still insert an adapter between the rig and nail, I would never use direct on the piece for fear of breaking! Currently I actually even have an adapter between the drop down and nail to protect the very expensive drop down ($$ more than the rig).

 

[herbivore21]

Thanks. Even if I deleted the drop down from my setup I would still insert an adapter between the rig and nail, I would never use direct on the piece for fear of breaking! Currently I actually even have an adapter between the drop down and nail to protect the very expensive drop down ($$ more than the rig).

Yup use the charts my friend, you'll have great results every time! My SiC torching mantra is 70 seconds torching, 90 seconds cool down, always perfect tasting dabs! This will vary slightly depending on where you apply the flame from and what kind of torch you use.

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

You can hold the torch in just one spot with no issues but then you'll have a hotter side of the dish and a cooler side of the dish.

I crank the nut down when using SiC ... no issues.

Learn to use a sensitive part of your body as a thermometer to gauge when to dab. I use my face to gauge the heat radiating off the nail as my hands aren't very sensitive to temperature. Be careful ...

I've been using my hand and wrist to tell correct temp same as I would with Ti. I guess I meant that the heat retention makes it harder, at least for me, to get it dialed in. I've read some people waiting only 20 secs while others wait over a min. Both used similar initial torch times. My average at the moment is 20-30 secs after I can just barely feel heat coming off SiC.

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

With all due respect to Dnail, youre crazy to pay that for a DIY kit. The Auber unit or Terpz unit does the job at a fraction of the cost and works with Dnails coils. Ive used their coils with both of my units and theyve been chugging right along for probably over a year. Maybe the Dnail unit has been temperature stability but both of my units stay within a few degrees of target.. I can live with that for the difference in price.

I appreciate your comment and point of view! I can also understand your rationale for looking at the Auber or Terpz for some savings. Still, personally, I'm not conserned with spending a few extra bucks on the D-Nail DIY, because I believe it's well worth it! The DIY Control station is only $200, not that much more than the LCD PID boxes by Gimido or others. As I'm going to be using D-Nails: SiC, carb, base, & Long life heater (regardless of the control station brand), I figure I might as well go with D-Nail to get the best support and compatibility. Plus, with a combo purchase most accessories (base, SiC, heater) get a $10 discount, each!

I've talked with D-Nail a lot and they seem to be cutting edge. Their PID is the best and most expensive on the market (over $100 to produce), and keeps very stable and accurate temperatures with very little drop-down. Not only that, they have designed most of the products others are producing. With their knowledge, fantastic support, and quality parts, I'm quite happy to pay a few extra bucks, especially considering I'm not throwing that money away but investing in a higher quality unit! Additionally, I've now compared the internal components between most all major brands (including DIY) and have noticed that D-Nail uses higher quality parts than most. Even their wire seems to be a step above the rest!

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

Yup use the charts my friend, you'll have great results every time! My SiC torching mantra is 70 seconds torching, 90 seconds cool down, always perfect tasting dabs! This will vary slightly depending on where you apply the flame from and what kind of torch you use.

I'll give this a shot, I've only been torching around 30 seconds (medium size butane torch flame).

 

[herbivore21]

I appreciate your comment and point of view. Personally I'm not conserned with spending a few extra bucks for the D-Nail because I believe it to be very worth it! The DIY Control station is only $200, not that much more than the LCD PID boxes by Gimido or others. And since I'm going to be using D-Nails: SiC, base, & heater, regardless of the control station brand, I figire I might as well go with D-Nail to get the best support and compatibility. Plus, with a combo purchase most accessories get a $10 discount, each!

I've talked with D-Nail a lot and they seem to be cutting edge. Not only that, they have designed most of the products others are producing. With their knowledge, fantastic support, and quality parts, I'm quite happy to pay a few extra bucks, especially considering I'm not throwing that money away but investing in a higher quality unit! Additionally, I've now compared the internal components between most all major brands (including DIY) and have noticed that D-Nail uses higher quality parts than most. Even their wire seems to be a step above the rest!

There is no doubt you've gotten a reliable PID that should last you a hell of a long time. There's a reason you get a lifetime warranty if you buy a pre-assembled 1.2 unit.

The difference between the 1.2 PID and others is that I have not yet heard of a 1.2 PID dying under intended usage conditions. I have known a hell of a lot of people who bought these too and I myself have owned 3 (2 x DIY and a Ninja nail with same PID) personally with not a single issue ever. Some folks may wanna save a buck and risk having to replace because it is cheap. I prefer to spend marginally extra for something I can be confident leaving on 24/7 for over a year like the 1.2 humming away behind me right now lol

@PoopMachine the major benefit of the 1.2 unit beyond temp stability/compensation is longevity, which it has up the wazoo!

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

There is no doubt you've gotten a reliable PID that should last you a hell of a long time. There's a reason you typically get a lifetime warranty if you buy a pre-assembled 1.2 unit.

The difference between the 1.2 PID and others is that I have not yet heard of a 1.2 PID dying under intended usage conditions. I have known a hell of a lot of people who bought these too and I myself have owned 3 (2 x DIY and a Ninja nail with same PID) personally with not a single issue ever. Some folks may wanna save a buck and risk having to replace because it is cheap. I prefer to spend marginally extra for something I can be confident leaving on 24/7 for over a year like the 1.2 humming away behind me right now lol

@PoopMachine the major benefit of the 1.2 unit beyond temp stability/compensation is longevity, which it has up the wazoo!

Agree 100%!

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

With heavy use you should see more buildup though maybe it won't be as bad as other naills overall.

Compared to my previous Ti setup, the amount I've dabbed so far would have left quite a bit of concentrate collected below the nail. I agree that it will build up, but currently it's only about 5-10% of what it would normally be with the amount of dabbing I've done. The SiC seems to be much more efficient and is taking way longer to actually collect a significant amount of concentrate below the nail.

That said, until I get my D-Nail, it could be that when I finally find the sweet spot for low-temp torch dabbing on the SiC, more concentrate will start collecting below the nail?