Sapphire and Ruby inserts for bangers

[Shooby]

I see no reason why quartz would be better than titanium for housing the sapphire insert.

Some may not taste or feel the difference between quartz and ti. Some may not. I was dabbing about 2 grams of the same sauce everyday the past two weeks until this past weekend and I can tell a difference in taste when i was using a different banger and rig for each rip. I was curious myself if i was nutz so I tested my buddy last week and he doesnt know what he likes better in terms of taste but he can tell the difference between each of the bangers he tired which are 20mm Liger, 30mm Liger and 25mm Halen bucket all using Obsidian inserts and coojo cap except for the 20mm Liger, he used gordo bubble cap. And same leisure brickstack. The two Ligers were connected to my mininails and the Halen connected to Augusthaus. This is when i noticed how long the AH coils were. like 8 feet long. He was quite surprised how different the 20mm and 30mm liger taste and like the 30mm more. He said it was smoother on the halen and cough much less. He coughed the most on the 20mm.

Personally, I do not want my vape touching Ti in the air path and i hate when my oil hits the wall of the Ti in the Liger. Taste like shit either way and wasting the good tasting, smooth terps. Quartz is just smoother over Ti. But my simple solution is to replace the Ti with quartz. On top of that, i need an alternative to the well established, shitty customer service, month long shipping times and shoddy machined parts you get from CCA710. Who know the next time they disappear for a month and not respond to their emails.

Now we have options such as nautilus for sapphire and ruby and cryptic culture for full opaque inserts and do not depend on CCA for the latest and greatest.

 

[Anon3200]

wrong thread

 

[Shooby]

It sounds to me like you are happy with the products but you are not happy with the shipping/communications delays. I understand that. I'd be pissed if I was still waiting and did not already have my set up.

It sounds like there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes. We know Josh works hard and put in a ton of hours. I think it is just hard to start a small specialty business like this. I heard there were issues with suppliers that were beyond his control. I'm guessing that is why he just invested a ton of money into the equipment to make stuff in house. My guess is that this choice will be good for them in the long term but for now it has left them shorter on inventory and cash. I'd like to see them succeed, for them to catch up on their orders and to produce newer and better products in-house with better quality standards.

This expansion has to the risky and hard for Josh. This is when they could use their loyal customers support the most.

I expect that as they catch up on the liger orders and as the new investment is recouped that they will be able to improve customer service and begin only selling products that are in stock. Selling items that weren't in stock is probably the only way that Josh could stay in business during this expanse. I doubt a bank would give a loan for this sort of thing.

It used to be good quality parts. Now its factory 2nds being sold as new then not acting on it when caught. Wait, they did act on it and said the nipple was normal and fine at first. Lies, Lies and Lies is what we get. Sorry, we get our order a month or two later and def. not the 1-2 weeks it states. Company is the opposite of transparent.

We all been wanting them to succeed for what ive read on this forum, years! that is YEAR with a S. people dealt with bad lead times but defective parts and lies are just something consumers can only handle so much off.

Support?, does $2000 in 6 months sound like support? But understand, that isnt why i want quartz over ti. Its what lead me to quartz and when i got here. Its just better. we all want to improve in life and this is an improvement to me.


**Edit**
I am sorry but that is Josh's problems. He should be business savy to find private investors. His path choice not to be transparent and hustle consumers may not bother all consumers but it bothers me.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Just ordered a 6mm ruby sphere.
Will report back.

 

[Shooby]

I order 5 of them today too. And I also ordered a jred power gear insert to put inside the larger full opaque insert.

 

[Shooby]

Do anyone think there is any worries to use, lets say 3-5 ruby spheres in the 30mm cca sapphire insert? Rubies are sapphire basically but red and its rolling around on top hot, really hot. I dont think so myself since its a really hard material but just wanted to know what FCers thought.

I will most likely try it tho but wanted to hear yall thoughts prior.

 

[Hogni]

Fuck the hen!

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Do anyone think there is any worries to use, lets say 3-5 ruby spheres in the 30mm cca sapphire insert? Rubies are sapphire basically but red and its rolling around on top hot, really hot. I dont think so myself since its a really hard material but just wanted to know what FCers thought.

I will most likely try it tho but wanted to hear yall thoughts prior.

I have not received my single sphere yet, but ...
As long as the sphere is heated with the insert I don't think there will be any thermal shock issues.
My main concern is all that kinetic energy when the sphere is zinging around the insert.
That being said, I've only seen one video in which the sphere didn't smoothly orbit the insert and banged off the walls of the insert.
The most I've seen in use was two (which also orbited smoothly).
I'm going to try my single 6mm out in my Obsidian insert first, then likely the Sapphire.
I hope 6mm is best for the Liger 30mm inserts (which are fairly shallow; ~5-6mm deep) because that's what I bought!
I follow a guy on IG that used a single sphere and then two spheres and his initial thought was one worked better, but who knows? (you will soon )

The spheres just went up again on etsy last night and now the 6mm five packs are already sold out again.

 

[Shooby]

In a liger, you wont see it spin. I got 5 to see how many i can squeeze inside the 30mm flat inserts.

I just heard from Joel Halen and they havent received the 32x35 tubing yet that they ordered. I specifically asked if they will make this available to others on IG and to distributors. They are not sure as they have many other product lines going on now and this may just be custom for me for now at least. But things can change they said.

They will let me know when the tubing arrives. This way i can let them know how tall i want the banger before they prep cut the tube. I am thinking 1.5 inches tall for the bucket.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

In a liger, you wont see it spin. I got 5 to see how many i can squeeze inside the 30mm flat inserts.

I just heard from Joel Halen and they havent received the 32x35 tubing yet that they ordered. I specifically asked if they will make this available to others on IG and to distributors. They are not sure as they have many other product lines going on now and this may just be custom for me for now at least. But things can change they said.

They will let me know when the tubing arrives. This way i can let them know how tall i want the banger before they prep cut the tube. I am thinking 1.5 inches tall for the bucket.

Nice, I appreciate people pushing the envelope.
Won't be able to see it orbiting, but it will still be doing the work.
With regard to max numbers and max surface area …
Maybe 7 6mms and a Metatron's cube of 19 5mms?

I think the best video I've seen of the spheres (this was a quartz sphere) was in a round bottom bucket, which screws up the whole insert angle, but man was that thing whizzing around in three dimensions.
Really cool sound.

 

[Shooby]

Got my 5 - 6mm rubies in and i threw all 5 inside the 23.5mm opaque and i like. It created much more vape with all 5 and it gave it a sapphire taste too which was nice. Sorta like taking a huge dab in the 35mm banger with 30mm sapphire and the oil splashes on the quartz but opposite.

As for looks. All 5 does spin inside. I cant really see the spin but i can feel it and hear it spin. Plus, if i remove the cap fast enough, i can see them slowing down. Since i am using them inside the insert, the spinning is causing my insert to spin too. I cant tell how much but i can def. see it spin as i can see brown marks on the opaque spinning. This is using the Gordo Riptide bubble cap.

Over the weekend, ill do a video with the spheres and one without. As well as put it in other inserts. So i put it in the 30mm liger to see if i can get it to spin and i cant. And i think thats due to the cap. Neither the coojo or weirdeer cap can make the 5 spheres move. I will try will less rubies but i think you need a gordo cap for these rubies. Besides, all the videos i have seen are all using a gordo riptide cap.


Eternal also released their banger beads which are quartz $15, ruby $22 and sapphire $20 per bead that are 6mm.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Got my 5 - 6mm rubies in and i threw all 5 inside the 23.5mm opaque and i like. It created much more vape with all 5 and it gave it a sapphire taste too which was nice. Sorta like taking a huge dab in the 35mm banger with 30mm sapphire and the oil splashes on the quartz but opposite.

As for looks. All 5 does spin inside. I cant really see the spin but i can feel it and hear it spin. Plus, if i remove the cap fast enough, i can see them slowing down. Since i am using them inside the insert, the spinning is causing my insert to spin too. I cant tell how much but i can def. see it spin as i can see brown marks on the opaque spinning. This is using the Gordo Riptide bubble cap.

Over the weekend, ill do a video with the spheres and one without. As well as put it in other inserts. So i put it in the 30mm liger to see if i can get it to spin and i cant. And i think thats due to the cap. Neither the coojo or weirdeer cap can make the 5 spheres move. I will try will less rubies but i think you need a gordo cap for these rubies. Besides, all the videos i have seen are all using a gordo riptide cap.


Eternal also released their banger beads which are quartz $15, ruby $22 and sapphire $20 per bead that are 6mm.

Sounds good, should receive mine Monday.
Eternal Quartz just released opaque quartz gear inserts: https://www.instagram.com/p/BjiusSVguJ_/?taken-by=eternal_quartz

Angling the gearing would enhance spinning (one would think).

 

[psychonaut]

Has anyone tried these?

https://www.dhgate.com/product/dome...meless-quartz/266022613.html#cart_view-1-null

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Has anyone tried these?

https://www.dhgate.com/product/dome...meless-quartz/266022613.html#cart_view-1-null

11.5mm diameter is a pretty big sphere, could be good for deep bangers/inserts.
Cryptic Culture offers 5mm and 6mm.
Eternal Quartz didn't list a size, but looked ~5-6mm too.

 

[Shooby]

Sounds good, should receive mine Monday.
Eternal Quartz just released opaque quartz gear inserts: https://www.instagram.com/p/BjiusSVguJ_/?taken-by=eternal_quartz

Angling the gearing would enhance spinning (one would think).

Im gonna get one of those opaque power gears once available on Eternal. I ordered a quartz power gear from Jred a week ago and he hasnt shipped. I only got the generic order confirmation last tuesday. Sent him an email thursday and still no reply but from my experience, I will not be buying from Jred glass or J-red glass in the future and could NOT recommend these guys as they are posting stories of them chillings and drinking beers at a BBQ last week.

I am in love with these ruby spheres from Cryptic Culture. I am using 5 spheres inside a 23.5mm full opaque and the milk is outrageous. I can get all five to spin but boy, it takes some lung power. I am able to finish my huge dabs in 1 huge rip and a second full rip to finish it off. Previously w/o these spheres, i would get 4-5 hits out of the dab. I dab pencil eraser tip size dabs. These are actually what i have been looking for. A way to increase the amount of vape per rip. I also love the flavor these rubies provide inside the full opaque. These Rubies i can highly recommend. But i would say to get 2-3.

I should get my 35mm banger tomorrow and will try these spheres inside the 30mm sapphire but i dont have cap to move it. Coojo and wierdeer cap doesnt spin these. I am thinking of getting a Gordo Riptide to try it but not too sure if the Gordo is wide enough.

Does anyone know how wide the regular Gordo Riptide cap is? Or is there any other cap that does what the riptides do?

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Im gonna get one of those opaque power gears once available on Eternal. I ordered a quartz power gear from Jred a week ago and he hasnt shipped. I only got the generic order confirmation last tuesday. Sent him an email thursday and still no reply but from my experience, I will not be buying from Jred glass or J-red glass in the future and could NOT recommend these guys as they are posting stories of them chillings and drinking beers at a BBQ last week.

I am in love with these ruby spheres from Cryptic Culture. I am using 5 spheres inside a 23.5mm full opaque and the milk is outrageous. I can get all five to spin but boy, it takes some lung power. I am able to finish my huge dabs in 1 huge rip and a second full rip to finish it off. Previously w/o these spheres, i would get 4-5 hits out of the dab. I dab pencil eraser tip size dabs. These are actually what i have been looking for. A way to increase the amount of vape per rip. I also love the flavor these rubies provide inside the full opaque. These Rubies i can highly recommend. But i would say to get 2-3.

I should get my 35mm banger tomorrow and will try these spheres inside the 30mm sapphire but i dont have cap to move it. Coojo and wierdeer cap doesnt spin these. I am thinking of getting a Gordo Riptide to try it but not too sure if the Gordo is wide enough.

Does anyone know how wide the regular Gordo Riptide cap is? Or is there any other cap that does what the riptides do?

It's great to hear that your vapor production has increased to much!

I'm surprised the Coojo caps don't induce a spin in the 30mm Liger, have you tried just one or two spheres?
The Riptide I have is only for up to ~25mm bangers.
I also has one of the flat top Riptides and it barely covered the 30mm Liger, but didn't seal.

Can't wait for my ruby sphere to arrive, should be here today!

 

[Shooby]

It's great to hear that your vapor production has increased to much!

I'm surprised the Coojo caps don't induce a spin in the 30mm Liger, have you tried just one or two spheres?
The Riptide I have is only for up to ~25mm bangers.
I also has one of the flat top Riptides and it barely covered the 30mm Liger, but didn't seal.

Can't wait for my ruby sphere to arrive, should be here today!

The regular riptide is the flat top one i believe. I am looking to get that for the 35mm banger which should fit if it just fits your Flat coil liger which is really 38mm wide. So that answers my questions.

No, i havent tried only 1 or 2. I did try 3 but it didnt move either. I believe i read it only works with gordo type caps that create spin with the air.


We are no more than 2 weeks away from the release of Nautilus Adapters. Hes hoping next week but said 2 weeks realistic timing.

Can wait to see 5 rubies spinning in a 24mm sapphire adapter in a 30mm toro grail with a gordo bubble cap!

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

The regular riptide is the flat top one i believe. I am looking to get that for the 35mm banger which should fit if it just fits your Flat coil liger which is really 38mm wide. So that answers my questions.

No, i havent tried only 1 or 2. I did try 3 but it didnt move either. I believe i read it only works with gordo type caps that create spin with the air.


We are no more than 2 weeks away from the release of Nautilus Adapters. Hes hoping next week but said 2 weeks realistic timing.

Can wait to see 5 rubies spinning in a 24mm sapphire adapter in a 30mm toro grail with a gordo bubble cap!

Sounds sexy.
I demand dab porn when it all comes together!

I just received my order of a single ruby sphere from Cryptic Culture.
While I ordered a 6mm and received a 5mm I can't really say anything but things about their customer service. Within 2 minutes of my IG message they sent me an apology and a picture of the envelope containing the proper size which they will ship tomorrow.
They didn't even ask for a picture, took me at my word; refreshing.

With regard to performance, I've only done two dabs with it in my 30mm Liger with Obsidian insert but …
It seems to vaporize the dab more quickly; I'm pretty faded.
Typical dab size .05g-.1g, these two were on the high end of the scale as I was excited.
Normally a dab is done in 2 draws (1 main, 1 clean-up; maybe another if the dab is extra big), with the 5mm ruby sphere they seem to be done in one less draw (and feel more heady/stoney).

I like.

RE: caps inducing spin, I've only tried my two different Coojo caps (both mushroom type one with tight air restriction the other open) and gotten modest spinning (one can hear it and see the sphere slow it's orbit once one pulls off the cap). However, the production of a spinning sphere has been erratic, one has to develop the proper cap spinning rhythm to "chase" the ball around the insert.

I would like to find a Gordo cap the would properly fit and seal the 30mm Liger.
I have a 20mm Liger and a Gordo Bubble Riptide that I will try out tomorrow.

 

[Shooby]

Im gonna have to measure my spheres tonight to see if it got 5mm or 6mm. Did you get your second sphere yet? If so, notice any difference using more than one? I threw 5 inside the 30mm sapphire and its just ridiculous amount of vape. Its moves around a bit but not spinning.

I put like 4 inside the 20mm sapphire which basically stacks them and prevents them from spinning but it creates a ton of vape. Its like a diamond knot but made from sapphire or i guess ruby cuz its red. Love these lil spheres.

I usually use 2-3 spheres inside an insert unless im trying to kill myself.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Im gonna have to measure my spheres tonight to see if it got 5mm or 6mm. Did you get your second sphere yet? If so, notice any difference using more than one? I threw 5 inside the 30mm sapphire and its just ridiculous amount of vape. Its moves around a bit but not spinning.

I put like 4 inside the 20mm sapphire which basically stacks them and prevents them from spinning but it creates a ton of vape. Its like a diamond knot but made from sapphire or i guess ruby cuz its red. Love these lil spheres.

I usually use 2-3 spheres inside an insert unless im trying to kill myself.

I received my second ruby sphere today.
Looks like it's the same size as my first one?
I'm thinking that their stated size might be a little generous, the two spheres side by side measured almostt 11mm.
Still I'm pleased; put the two spheres in a 30mm sapphire Liger insert and the first dab seemed to produce quicker clouds than with just one sphere (which was faster and more efficient than with none).

I tried a test spin in my 20mm Liger with a Gordo Riptide bubble cap and you can definitely induce fast spin with that combo.
In fact when I put in two spheres and pulled increasing hard the spheres spun up the sides of the insert and banger and momentarily blocked the air intake.
I still need to try a dab in the 20mm with a sphere or two.

Alrighty then, just switched nails to the 20mm, cooled down the spheres and reheated to dabbing temp.
Will try one sphere first.
Here we go …

Worked well, you can definitely tell when the ball gets up and spinning as a after I capped it I got milk, but then noticeably much thicker vape when you heard the ball orbiting around the insert.
(have a dab mirror set up and could see it).
Still not sure if I like the 20mm + sphere better than the 30mm + sphere as I have the 30mm with the AugustHaus coil dialed in to my liking.
But the 20mm + sphere is definitely superior to 20mm w/o sphere.
They run $20-$25 seems like a no brainer.
Definitely recommend.

Still need to try two spheres in the 20mm.



Edit: Two 6mm in the 20mm Liger is no good; didn't get any spin; One mm produced better milk.

 

[MileHighHuman]

Any more updates / experiments with these?

Would the quartz Gavel with opaque insert and ruby spheres taste better or would the CCA sapphire win?

I understand sapphire is one of the top tasting materials, but im curious if the Liger titanium effects flavor?

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Any more updates / experiments with these?

Would the quartz Gavel with opaque insert and ruby spheres taste better or would the CCA sapphire win?

I understand sapphire is one of the top tasting materials, but im curious if the Liger titanium effects flavor?

I can't detect any taste from the Ti airpath, but I have not tried an all quartz airpath for comparisons sake.
My thoughts are that the insert material is going to have the greatest impact on taste; I would go for sapphire.
But you could torch the Gavel, the Liger not so much.

Regarding dabbing performance with the ruby spheres: I love them!
I'm down from 590* w/o spheres to 530* with two spheres.
Getting better taste, bigger clouds and more intense effects.

I'm surprised more people aren't using them.

 

[Shooby]

I'm surprised more people aren't using them.

You and me both... My buddy came by and loved my set up, i bought him an AH XXL coil and bucket and a full opaque insert for the bucket but he didnt care for the spheres. I was shocked. Not sure if it was the price but to me, the spheres are a must. Fuck, i travel with them so i can use them in my buddies Liger. Without it, its just a weaker hit.

Other inserts like the Jred power gears just suck ass compared to the spheres. I was considering getting a opaque gear too but i feel like that wouldnt be better than spheres as well. Cleaning the power gear is just a pain in the ass compared to the simple qtip of the spheres.

For me, the spheres helped me reduce the amount of times i dab. I now dab one big ass rip that i can finish in almost one full hit but my second hit, you will only see a bit of milk until its clear. Before Spheres, i was taking about 2-3 dabs smallers dabs. If i was doing the larger dabs without spheres, it takes me about 3-5 pulls to clear the bucket of vape and those last 3 hits start to taste like reclaim.

Even my buddy who cant afford this shit loves coming over to dab cuz the set up just destroys him.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

You and me both... My buddy came by and loved my set up, i bought him an AH XXL coil and bucket and a full opaque insert for the bucket but he didnt care for the spheres. I was shocked. Not sure if it was the price but to me, the spheres are a must. Fuck, i travel with them so i can use them in my buddies Liger. Without it, its just a weaker hit.

Other inserts like the Jred power gears just suck ass compared to the spheres. I was considering getting a opaque gear too but i feel like that wouldnt be better than spheres as well. Cleaning the power gear is just a pain in the ass compared to the simple qtip of the spheres.

For me, the spheres helped me reduce the amount of times i dab. I now dab one big ass rip that i can finish in almost one full hit but my second hit, you will only see a bit of milk until its clear. Before Spheres, i was taking about 2-3 dabs smallers dabs. If i was doing the larger dabs without spheres, it takes me about 3-5 pulls to clear the bucket of vape and those last 3 hits start to taste like reclaim.

Even my buddy who cant afford this shit loves coming over to dab cuz the set up just destroys him.

Why didn't your friend like the spheres?

I've also noticed a reduction in the number of dabs I take, consumption seems to be about the same though.

After all the cost invested in a dab set-up already the $20-$25 / ruby sphere really seems (to me) like a rather modest cost; probably more like $50 as I would recommend at least two spheres.

Not to mention the dramatic effect they have on increasing dabbing efficiency.
I can't think of a single improvement, other than a proper carb cap, that has had such a huge improvement in my dabbing experience besides these spheres.

Each time I have made a recommendation to get these it has become more emphatic.
I now say the spheres are a must!!!

 

[Shooby]

Why didn't your friend like the spheres?

I've also noticed a reduction in the number of dabs I take, consumption seems to be about the same though.

After all the cost invested in a dab set-up already the $20-$25 / ruby sphere really seems (to me) like a rather modest cost; probably more like $50 as I would recommend at least two spheres.

Not to mention the dramatic effect they have on increasing dabbing efficiency.
I can't think of a single improvement, other than a proper carb cap, that has had such a huge improvement in my dabbing experience besides these spheres.

Each time I have made a recommendation to get these it has become more emphatic.
I now say the spheres are a must!!!

He was all about trying it and all that but once i told him about $25 each for ruby, he didnt seem to care. I told him you would just need 2 but i dont think it was the money. But when he was at my place having a sesh with me, i noticed he didnt take big pulls or long pulls. He takes huge fucking dabs but takes like 4-5 hits to finish it with each being so dam milky. Even with the ruby, it still took his ass like 3-4 pulls to clear it. Small Lungs i guess. He can dab large as i bet he gets his shit at cost. Hes a GM of a dispensary.

I dont even think a carb cap has as much as an improvement as these rubies have on my dabs. I am so glad i bought the 5 pack and want more, i may get a 5 pack of the 5mm to put them into the 25mm TAG SiC halo. I will as a change of pace use that insert and the 6mm ruby is just a bit to large and im not 100% sure if the 5mm will. But if not, worse comes to worse, i throw all 10 inside a 24mm insert and treat it like a huge ruby knot power gear inside the insert. All that surface space!