Sapphire and Ruby inserts for bangers

[biohacker]

SiC is nice for sure but better then ruby and sapphire, i dunno about that. I have two Obsidian inserts (CCA710's version of SiC) 30mm and 20mm and a 30mm Sapphire insert for a year now and honestly go back and forth between the SiC and Sapphire. SiC and sapphire are very close in taste imo. Sapphire i feel like has a slightly better taste but i think thats because the vapor off sapphire is smoother. But! thats only when the sapphire is clean but that goes for any dabbin surface really! With that said, SiC is amazingly easy to keep clean and i prefer a clean SiC insert over a dirty sapphire one for sure. Plus SiC is durable af where i feel like i have to baby the sapphire insert. I cant add much on ruby balls vs SiC balls because i only have 3 ruby balls (6mm,5mm,4mm). I do like 2 (6 & 5mm) rubies in my insert because without it leaves a small puddle. I think the SiC balls would be better tho just because SiC seems very easy to keep clean. Also I feel like the bigger rubies are better (6vs4mm) just because of more surface area. Need to get some SiC balls and tester out i guess hahaha thanks for ur time

No thanks for yours! Appreciate your feedback, think i'm going to pick up a Fadespace SiC insert after all

 

[helpoverthere]

I'm sure surprised that these little beauties haven't started popping up on DhGate yet? I mean, most of them are made in China with the exception of Adapt Tech's Russian grown.

low key im thinking about starting a company and doing this nonsense. wonder if a full gemstone path banger is possible for an enail lol.

oh and for sic, unless the surface is drastically different than either dnail SiC or CCA710 obsidian then they are off their rocker. No way flavor is better off it. Absolutely not. The true test is an e-nail with excellent PID tuning and a solid coil.

I like SiC better as an insert for torch use, definitely. I think you'll like it alot if thats the intended use. If you are using it on an enail I recommend you fill your SiC insert with gemstones because the experience is that much more flavorful imo.

triple frickin edit: anyone know what kind of market there seems to be for these things? seemingly AH has only sold 100 kubes. inserts? a few hundred?

 

[gunmetalshark]

Hmm i also see sic beeing the easiest to maintain but better in taste then sapphire and ruby...thats a no for me aswell and i also tried them beside...there has to be a reason the sapphire has always been top tier insert of dnail, cca710 etc.

Nothing beats a clean sapphire/ruby low temp dab from a clean surface without addons for me

 

[biohacker]

Hmm i also see sic beeing the easiest to maintain but better in taste then sapphire and ruby...thats a no for me aswell and i also tried them beside...there has to be a reason the sapphire has always been top tier insert of dnail, cca710 etc.

Nothing beats a clean sapphire/ruby low temp dab from a clean surface without addons for me

Thanks man, it makes sense. Fadespace are full of complete shit and I will never support them based on their incessant attacks on Constant Gems. It's really not doing them any favours IMO, and their claims are outright lies. Fuck SiC. I haven't done any extensive research but I have seen plenty of fear mongering regarding the safety of the material that it's enough for me to not even bother. I love sapphire, i'd rather support companies that sell it, and ruby, like Adapt tech and constant gems.

As for Greek Glass Shop, fuck him too. Posing as this saviour that sells the SAME sapphire dishes as Constant for only $60, and how he's all for the customer. Yeah right. His customer service sucks, the same as his cheap shitty ass bangers. I asked when he sold out of sapphires when they might be back in stock, and was told not for a long time but that he had a perfectly polished one he would sell me for $60 shipped Yes please! I emailed him back before he could even get his sorry ass out of bed, and surely he doesn't check his email (but he's GLUED to IG and SLAMMING Constant with his buddy from Fadespace every chance he can get) and then I see him post the $60 sapphire on IG?! So i'm like WTF? I send him a DM right away and he tells me it's sold!

So then he says he'll check my email, which had some inquires about what bangers the sapphire would fit in, and he ignored it and didn't answer any of it. Nice customer service. Fortunately there are companies with CS and CLASS like 710Coils that actually sell QUALITY bangers.

It just sucks that this industry is so tiny that only a few companies have the market cornered. I still have 2 Ruby inserts on preorder from Greek, although i'm debating cancelling it and just going with constant or adapt tech.

Fucking Greedy some of these companies! The slander is pathetic.

Rant over. Thanks for listening.

 

[biohacker]

How important is how many carats the sapphire gemstone is? I see adapt tech has 33 carat "on sale" for 245 and 38-39carat for like $20 more. They "claim" the higher carat sapphire "functions better" lol.

BTW they are offering free shipping while their checkout process is down lol.

 

[gunmetalshark]

Carat = Weight Unit, has nothing to do with function imo..more mass will prob. hold heat better but nothing more I can think of...it just says how heavy the item is, the Liger Sapphire Insert i.E. has 69c iirc

edit.

Right now I am being at work testing my Liger Air + Sapphire insert vs. the Quartz/axial Coil/Ruby insert setup I just aqquired...first thing was temp measuring...with my Air (my benchmark) I prefer 400°F Dish temp (k-type) and need 525°F PID to reach that...on the quartz setup with axial coil and ruby insert I just need 475°F for the same insert temp, so the more efficient setup is the quartz one.

BUT taste wise after rly comparing 3 dabs (BIG/INTERMEDIATE/SMALL) I do have to give my final call to the Liger + Coojo, it may also be the even more satisfieng look at the melting rosin on the HUGE sapphire dish or the even shorter air path compared to the quartz/ruby setup..I also think due to the bigger surface u get an more even/better vaporization...I just feel it gives me the maximum flavor wise

...it may be also just MY PREFERED WAY

 

[biohacker]

I also think due to the bigger surface u get an more even better vaporization...I just feel it gives me the maximum flavor wise

Damn i'd kill for a 710Coils 30mm banger/axial + 22-23mm Sapphire or ruby!!

 

[Dubmonkey]

Damn now I am back a few steps in my decision as I am looking for a 10mm set up and was going to go ERoss 10mm 45 deg enail quartz (got a 14 ERoss set up so got the coil already) + ruby or sapphire (depending on tax return > my expectations ) adapt-tech insert OR CCa liger air + sapphire set up.

Decisions decisions

 

[helpoverthere]

Damn now I am back a few steps in my decision as I am looking for a 10mm set up and was going to go ERoss 10mm 45 deg enail quartz (got a 14 ERoss set up so got the coil already) + ruby or sapphire (depending on tax return > my expectations ) adapt-tech insert OR CCa liger air + sapphire set up.

Decisions decisions

Dub if you want a CCAliger and saph set up I am trying to get rid of mine. I can save you half off and its only got a week of use on it.

Damn i'd kill for a 710Coils 30mm banger/axial + 22-23mm Sapphire or ruby!!

I feel you. Just ordered my 30 mm axial, got a HE gavel 30 m and a EQ 30 m im hoping it will fit one well. Talking to adapt right now about blue sapphire but he's saying its going to be mid march on the 18s (for 25 m banger) earliest for blue and XLs and 22 (for 30s) further back than that.

About to pull the trigger on a XL 22 m i think @ 600. It's a shit ton for an insert, but I know I need a huge insert to not overflow .5s on an enail. Glad he has one without any extra cuts. Fuck that. As long as it is equal polish give it to me straight.

 

[biohacker]

About to pull the trigger on a XL 22 m i think @ 600. It's a shit ton for an insert, but I know I need a huge insert to not overflow .5s on an enail.

They had a 24mm sapphire at one time! That would fit like a glove in a 710Coil 30mm!

 

[pghjd]

They had a 24mm sapphire at one time! That would fit like a glove in a 710Coil 30mm!

More people need to get on the 30mm wave! The extra surface area is definitely worth the added heat up time

 

[biohacker]

More people need to get on the 30mm wave! The extra surface area is definitely worth the added heat up time

Who else other than Adapt Tech actually sells gemstone inserts that are 22-24mm? Hard to get on the 30mm wave when only one company sells them, and at a premium.

 

[pghjd]

Who else other than Adapt Tech actually sells gemstone inserts that are 22-24mm? Hard to get on the 30mm wave when only one company sells them, and at a premium.

Nobody else as far as I know of. But I take pretty big dabs so I prefer 30mm even if im stuck using a quartz insert

 

[helpoverthere]

Who else other than Adapt Tech actually sells gemstone inserts that are 22-24mm? Hard to get on the 30mm wave when only one company sells them, and at a premium.

constants are 8 weeks out according to him

 

[pghjd]

Hopefully all the insert sellers start getting larger buckets

 

[biohacker]

constants are 8 weeks out according to him

Did he hint at cost? My guess would be around $350-400 for the white.

Hopefully all the insert sellers start getting larger buckets

For some reason with the sapphire I don't seem to miss the extra real estate of the opaque. I mean it would be nice, but holy shit does sapphire ever vape up quick!

IMO it really can't get much better than a 22-24mm ruby or sapphire... can it?

 

[helpoverthere]

Did he hint at cost? My guess would be around $350-400 for the white.



For some reason with the sapphire I don't seem to miss the extra real estate of the opaque. I mean it would be nice, but holy shit does sapphire ever vape up quick!

IMO it really can't get much better than a 22-24mm ruby or sapphire... can it?

I would think at least that much. A little disappointed with constant gems right now tbh. Seeing that the price on the yellow, green, and lavender was the same as adaptech was a let down.

With all the claims of china produced constant gems floating around, that price hike put me off.

I personally think it does not get better than sapphire / ruby on whatever nail you like. (until I release that full gem path enail, lol)

I was messing around with a liger, now I am trying to score an insert for a banger.

Went back to my email and I saw that d-nail shipped me my prototype sapphire halo in late 2016. Sheesh. These other companies really playing catchup.

 

[biohacker]

Went back to my email and I saw that d-nail shipped me my prototype sapphire halo in late 2016. Sheesh. These other companies really playing catchup.

Not really, if anything D-nail needs to play catch up... but unfortunately they are just struggling to even operate. I couldn't ever imagine going back to the D-nail SiC halo slim series. Even just using a Ti carb cap...gross.

 

[helpoverthere]

Not really, if anything D-nail needs to play catch up... but unfortunately they are just struggling to even operate. I couldn't ever imagine going back to the D-nail SiC halo slim series. Even just using a Ti carb cap...gross.

dang i couldn't imagine the hassle of their set-up without saph. that TI cap used to burn the crap out of me, but once I found a glass 30 m hemisphere it was ez.pz.

Doubt they're going to come back or ever really leave.

Reflecting back, most dabbers in 2016 could hardly speak full sentences with quave's and task's dongs hanging out their mouths. wild that surface has been around forever but just now its the hypetrain.

 

[biohacker]

Is there an actual noticeable tangible real world difference between dabbing on ruby and sapphire surfaces, or does it basically just come down to aesthetics?

 

[helpoverthere]

Is there an actual noticeable tangible real world difference between dabbing on ruby and sapphire surfaces, or does it basically just come down to aesthetics?

unfortunately no one has really been able to point a finger at any property and say that is what is most important for dab function.

I know that wavelength has an influence on function. How does that translate?

No clue.

Other than the color change and UV your average dabber couldn't tell the difference.
(Some of my friends couldn't distinguish 50 degree jumps in enail temp, no way they could distinguish gemstones). Myself and others maintain there is a difference but I am still working on the triangle tests.

Working on something w/ an optical spec to lay it all out objectively and as scientifically as possible.

edit: if the lower wavelengths do indeed have superior function as science suggests: then ruby should function better than sapphire assuming the polishes are equal (in my opinion)

 

[biohacker]

I thought it was more about the thermal property differences due to the impurities in Ruby?

 

[helpoverthere]

I thought it was more about the thermal property differences due to the impurities in Ruby?

My relatively basic understanding is that they are equally pure gemstone varietals of corundum. The difference in the ionic concentration of chromium / aluminum between the two is very small, yet responsible for the differences. As Roth pointed out, relatively small changes could have huge implications.

In my opinion, the huge differences in gemstone vs quartz vs sic vs titanium lead to smaller differences in observed function than would be expected: therefore I assume the difference between ruby and saph to come from something else (and I propose wavelength).

I have repeated this, but if Ruby is a black car made out of corundum and Sapphire is a silver car made out of corundum, they would have different reactions to energy (heat).

 

[biohacker]

"Heat from the ruby transfers slightly different than the sapphire allowing for improved vaporization."

Just typical "adapt tech" claims?

 

[Hogni]

Right now I am being at work testing my Liger Air + Sapphire insert vs. the Quartz/axial Coil/Ruby insert setup I just aqquired...first thing was temp measuring...with my Air (my benchmark) I prefer 400°F Dish temp (k-type) and need 525°F PID to reach that...on the quartz setup with axial coil and ruby insert I just need 475°F for the same insert temp, so the more efficient setup is the quartz one.

BUT taste wise after rly comparing 3 dabs (BIG/INTERMEDIATE/SMALL) I do have to give my final call to the Liger + Coojo, it may also be the even more satisfieng look at the melting rosin on the HUGE sapphire dish or the even shorter air path compared to the quartz/ruby setup..I also think due to the bigger surface u get an more even/better vaporization...I just feel it gives me the maximum flavor wise

...it may be also just MY PREFERED WAY

The different size of the dish surfaces and the different heat mass make a difference for sure.

All these prices for SiC, ruby and sapphire inserts and pearls are going crazy. I refuse to pay those crazy prices. I'm still hoping @710Coils Shane will offer them himself in the nearer future for a much fairer and reasonable price. I asked a SWISS (!) producer for making ruby inserts some times ago and his guess was around €100-150 per insert for one fitting a 25 mm banger (no mass order!) so it seems possible to offer a high quality Chinese one with a good margin of profit for much less than $200.
And if not ruby or sapphire I hope Shane will offer pearls and inserts out of SiC at least