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Btw, I greatly appreciate your including this in your posts about the Lobo. This should be the exemplar.
POTV Lobo
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Petetbay
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Long and slow is my usual tactic, anywhere from 5-20 sec dependent on the device and type of resistance.
Again dependent on device always trying to get the device to perform the best I can for me, whether to improve draw resistance or cooling, the use of glass stems is just trying to perfect the use of the device, sometimes it works, sometimes not, sometimes just to use it in a different way than usual. I vape a lot of old school hash and always looking for grail of devices to vape hash, still looking.
‘Nice to converse Jerry, I have tremendous respect for you, Troy not so much.
endof3d
Cognitive Dissonance D 5 +
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@Petetbay You’ve written extensively over many post providing as accurate and unbiased view as possible for members considering the Lobo as their next potential vape. Thank you.
Idk but if the Lobo heater is more than capable of pumping out heat at higher temps 380F plus, most people will be satisfied. Maybe it’s just as simple as a firmware/software tweak to have consistent performance at lower to mid range temps for the others.
POTV has always gone above and beyond in their CS in my interactions with them. I'm sure POTV and @stickstones appreciate your feed back as they want to get this right as always.
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@Petetbay You’ve written extensively over many post providing as accurate and unbiased view as possible for members considering the Lobo as their next potential vape. Thank you.
Idk but if the Lobo heater is more than capable of pumping out heat at higher temps 380F plus, most people will be satisfied. Maybe it’s just as simple as a firmware/software tweak to have consistent performance at lower to mid range temps for the others.
POTV has always gone above and beyond in their CS in my interactions with them. I'm sure POTV and @stickstones appreciate your feed back as they want to get this right as always.
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Puddentain
Well-Known Member
Just got my shipping notice for my Black Lobo, ordered on 9/5. Stoked to watch Think Dank next Friday night!
pajamaphobia
New Member
Mine is set to show up tomorrow, ordered the green bundle on the 19th. Followed this site for a while, but finally signed up from following this vape, and the budget bubbler thread.
I don't think it's been mentioned, but the bundle with all the glass attachment pieces is only 7 dollars more, granted they're all clear (black for the curved) with no color choice.
Which worked out nicely for me as my first glass piece should show up tomorrow as well, and I wouldn't have picked the wpa with it.
I don't think it's been mentioned, but the bundle with all the glass attachment pieces is only 7 dollars more, granted they're all clear (black for the curved) with no color choice.
Which worked out nicely for me as my first glass piece should show up tomorrow as well, and I wouldn't have picked the wpa with it.
4-Aces King-High
Well-Known Member
I messed up and ordered at LOBO price of $159.will have to use my gift card to get a variety of water pieces for the LOBO.Ordered the Green LOBO and IS Out for Delivery today for some ‘testing’, Cheers
Jojofernz
Well-Known Member
I wanna sit down and give a better write up when I have the time, but first night with the Lobo was excellent! Tasty sessions and very satisfying clouds. Works good with the stock glass mouthpiece but really shines with the bubbler, or especially with the WPA and through a glass piece.
It gets a bit harsh at the higher temps, which is why the water cooling really helps.
I also can get some good flavor, but not great vapor below 380 degrees but if I really want some clouds gotta 390 or above, really I like 400-420. The first few hits are especially tasty, then the flavor fades but the clouds it produces are pretty impressive for the small device.
Edit: wanted to throw an edit to kinda correct myself. Started two bowls this morning at 370-375 degrees and the clouds were actually really impressive and satisfying, the flavor was incredible. So even under 380 it performs, and right off the bat.
That’s one of the biggest differences from the only other battery vape I’ve tried, the rogue. With the lobo, it starts hitting right when it gets to temp. With the rogue I had to get a couple draws in to really get it going, especially at lower temps
Gonna take it with me to work today to give that a test, but so far I’m really enjoying this vape! Love the color and how sleek it feels in the hand.
Edit2: I’m only using dosing capsules
Testing a photo(hope it works)
It gets a bit harsh at the higher temps, which is why the water cooling really helps.
I also can get some good flavor, but not great vapor below 380 degrees but if I really want some clouds gotta 390 or above, really I like 400-420. The first few hits are especially tasty, then the flavor fades but the clouds it produces are pretty impressive for the small device.
Edit: wanted to throw an edit to kinda correct myself. Started two bowls this morning at 370-375 degrees and the clouds were actually really impressive and satisfying, the flavor was incredible. So even under 380 it performs, and right off the bat.
That’s one of the biggest differences from the only other battery vape I’ve tried, the rogue. With the lobo, it starts hitting right when it gets to temp. With the rogue I had to get a couple draws in to really get it going, especially at lower temps
Gonna take it with me to work today to give that a test, but so far I’m really enjoying this vape! Love the color and how sleek it feels in the hand.
Edit2: I’m only using dosing capsules
Testing a photo(hope it works)
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Fukinternet
Well-Known Member
I got my green lobo yesterday. I’ve been vaping on a Fierce for a couple of years now but i can’t get new batteries for it and the ones i have are all swollen, so i got the Lobo as a replacement to have swappable batteries. So far, i feel like the heating element seems better suited for the device on the Lobo than the Fierce. I find myself vaping at lower temps on the lobo to get similar clouds to what i was getting on the fierce. Tastes great, draw resistance is not wide open but also not constricted at all and i feel is a good compromise to get hits that are not too airy. It does get harsh a bit over 400, that’s when the bubbler helps. Still in the honeymoon phase but initial impressions are very good so far
BL4ZE
Well-Known Member
Any of you who buy a water pipe adapter I'd recommend going with the V3 Pro glass adapter as it doesn't step down to 10mm like the one you can bundle. So unless you have a need for 10mm it just decreasing air flow. I'm pretty sure it fits but I get mine in today and will check.
4-Aces King-High
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eloteslocos
Well-Known Member
does anyone else here remove the screen in the cooling unit if they're using dosing capsules? I found that I didn't need the screen in my HR Fury when using dosing capsules as it further restricted airflow.
BL4ZE
Well-Known Member
I take this back. The V3 Pro Glass adapter does NOT fit in the Lobo. So don't buy it. Really sucks since wanted to use the Lobo with my glass tonight.
4-Aces King-High
Well-Known Member
…did I mention I am enjoying the LOBO with the bubbler free w/ purchase, working as it should with a nice , slow draw equals nice flavor .Cheers to Everyone..
stickstones
Vapor concierge
DISCLAIMER: I consulted on the development of the Lobo. I am biased towards it. You can believe the facts I present, but take my opinions about the Lobo with a grain of salt.
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If you haven't already, pay attention to the very rare BAKx drops. The only true vaporizer I know of that was made for the stuff.
When we start to think about the Lobo as a high calorie convection heater, some of the things you noticed make sense. When the vapor wanes, it's usually because all the vapor that is to be extracted at that temp has been pulled out. I have to raise the temp to get more vapor, not wait for the heater to recover. The vapor literally runs out before the Lobo gives in. That's probably why I prefer to temp step with the Lobo with only two temps that are at least 30 degrees apart. When I used three temps, the last two didn't stand out. Each was robbed of it's punch by the temp before it. But when I use 370ish and 410+, it a great tasting first temp and a big punch finishing temp.
Another thing...you mentioned that convection vapes build heat in the bowl as the hit goes longer, and the vapor should build not wane. You're right, until the Lobo. We worked hard to eliminate that heat over-run. I want the temp in the bowl to stay as close to the set temp as possible, not run out of control when someone takes a long rip on a bubbler. This was some of my most rewarding work on this vape that most won't even notice!
When I use 15 second draws, I get no more than 2 or 3 on a bowl. When I did my standard tests, I would get 6-8 hits per bowl. Btw, when I test a vape as a normal person, I aim for 5-second hits with a relaxed draw, with around 20 seconds between draws. I always use 390F as a baseline and adjust from there. (390 is somewhat arbitrary, but right down the middle. I've used this temp to test for over a decade now, so I stick to it and it's always an apples to apples comparison for me.)
It's beautiful!
I think you're nailing it. A bigger bowl was one of the top three priorities for this vape, and I was adamant the heater be improved for it. I think the Lobo heater can do even more. The vapor does get harsher the higher the temp goes, and that's the nature of high-calorie vapor. It's denser and stronger, and can send you into orbit. And that's the brilliance of the potv glass system. if you know you're style, you can grab the right one and be off to the races:
Jerry
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If you haven't already, pay attention to the very rare BAKx drops. The only true vaporizer I know of that was made for the stuff.
When we start to think about the Lobo as a high calorie convection heater, some of the things you noticed make sense. When the vapor wanes, it's usually because all the vapor that is to be extracted at that temp has been pulled out. I have to raise the temp to get more vapor, not wait for the heater to recover. The vapor literally runs out before the Lobo gives in. That's probably why I prefer to temp step with the Lobo with only two temps that are at least 30 degrees apart. When I used three temps, the last two didn't stand out. Each was robbed of it's punch by the temp before it. But when I use 370ish and 410+, it a great tasting first temp and a big punch finishing temp.
Another thing...you mentioned that convection vapes build heat in the bowl as the hit goes longer, and the vapor should build not wane. You're right, until the Lobo. We worked hard to eliminate that heat over-run. I want the temp in the bowl to stay as close to the set temp as possible, not run out of control when someone takes a long rip on a bubbler. This was some of my most rewarding work on this vape that most won't even notice!
When I use 15 second draws, I get no more than 2 or 3 on a bowl. When I did my standard tests, I would get 6-8 hits per bowl. Btw, when I test a vape as a normal person, I aim for 5-second hits with a relaxed draw, with around 20 seconds between draws. I always use 390F as a baseline and adjust from there. (390 is somewhat arbitrary, but right down the middle. I've used this temp to test for over a decade now, so I stick to it and it's always an apples to apples comparison for me.)
It's beautiful!
I think you're nailing it. A bigger bowl was one of the top three priorities for this vape, and I was adamant the heater be improved for it. I think the Lobo heater can do even more. The vapor does get harsher the higher the temp goes, and that's the nature of high-calorie vapor. It's denser and stronger, and can send you into orbit. And that's the brilliance of the potv glass system. if you know you're style, you can grab the right one and be off to the races:
- The dimpled stem that comes with is great for long draws at around 380 and under. (this is all about me here, your temps might run hotter or cooler.) Above that I recommend shorter hits. The Lobo can deliver on sips, so give it a go.
- I don't use the bent stem. It's hotter than the others.
- Dimpled Globe stem - If you don't want to deal with water or a bubbler, get this one. I can use this one for longer draws above 400. It's considerably cooler than the dimpled stem.
- Straight or Curved Bubbler - water is a must if you want to crush bowls at the highest temps. and it does something even more to the hits, so I really recommend one of these. I prefer the curved bubbler.
- wpa - you know who you are! if you vape through glass at home, this should be your first pick.
Jerry
4-Aces King-High
Well-Known Member
With the Curved bubbler Loading a bowl now at 371F and once that diminishes I’m stepping up to 405F. Got 3 draws with potency and flavor of the terps. . at 371F.at 405F 2-decent pulls that could probably havebeen 1 good draw. Cheers
TheTerpTimmay
Member
I got my Lobo yesterday, it is the second vape I have along with my ALP and so far I am extremely happy.
Pro's so far:
Even more portable than my ALP
Simple controls and interface
Easy to load/unload
When it says it is has reached the set temp, it has reached that temp, big clouds immediately.
Better airflow than my ALP
Tasty hits
Water pipe hits, this unit it built for it.
Your herb gets roasted evenly throughout.
10x easier to clean than my ALP
It is a great looking unit, I got the green but that blue pops also.
Con's so far:
The vapor is hot (at least to me). A bigger glass stem or bubbler is a must have for this.
The unit gets real hot at the top temp setting after only a few minutes
So far it has more Pro's than Con's to me and that is why I am digging it. Also like I said it excels with a water pipe, my first hit from the Lobo was with the adaptor stem on my medium sized percolator. I got 2 to 3 big hits and am the highest I have ever been from a vapor hit or session, it does exactly what Jerry says, it puts out calories.
It looks so good, it makes my Chyna glass sparkle and the rips got me super baked with my flavor of the day Peanut Butter Breath.
Pro's so far:
Even more portable than my ALP
Simple controls and interface
Easy to load/unload
When it says it is has reached the set temp, it has reached that temp, big clouds immediately.
Better airflow than my ALP
Tasty hits
Water pipe hits, this unit it built for it.
Your herb gets roasted evenly throughout.
10x easier to clean than my ALP
It is a great looking unit, I got the green but that blue pops also.
Con's so far:
The vapor is hot (at least to me). A bigger glass stem or bubbler is a must have for this.
The unit gets real hot at the top temp setting after only a few minutes
So far it has more Pro's than Con's to me and that is why I am digging it. Also like I said it excels with a water pipe, my first hit from the Lobo was with the adaptor stem on my medium sized percolator. I got 2 to 3 big hits and am the highest I have ever been from a vapor hit or session, it does exactly what Jerry says, it puts out calories.
It looks so good, it makes my Chyna glass sparkle and the rips got me super baked with my flavor of the day Peanut Butter Breath.
Jojofernz
Well-Known Member
Hell yeah!! I agree with everything you said! The vapor does get hot is my biggest con I’ve found so far, but rectified with the bubbler or running through water.
And gotta say, hitting some Peanut Butter Breath today as well!
Enjoy your Sunday!!
4-Aces King-High
Well-Known Member
ALP IS Great The LOBO more great with ease of cleaning and ease of Use.
If anyone has a Solo 2 stem , short and longer come with it. I put mine in by reversing the bowl end towards mouth and the smaller mouth end of the stem in to the LOBO gives A longer path with glass cooling the vapor nicely with flavor and vapor tolerable at higher temps. Onwards with the testing lol. Cheers
10:07 AM; Even at 405F the Vapor is tolerable with the HACK used.
If anyone has a Solo 2 stem , short and longer come with it. I put mine in by reversing the bowl end towards mouth and the smaller mouth end of the stem in to the LOBO gives A longer path with glass cooling the vapor nicely with flavor and vapor tolerable at higher temps. Onwards with the testing lol. Cheers
10:07 AM; Even at 405F the Vapor is tolerable with the HACK used.
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budski
cantre member
hard to believe it has better airflow than the ALP with those 4 tiny inlet holes! I drilled out the holes on the One to get more air, made a minimal difference. Way easy to add restriction to the flow, sure aren't going to adjust it like with ALP, Starry, or V3.
That said it will replace my 6month old One who's battery is already showing signs of decline from multiple charges per day. Already have bublers and long dimpled stems for our Ones so that should be enough. Maybe it'd benefit from a silicone sleeve.
That said it will replace my 6month old One who's battery is already showing signs of decline from multiple charges per day. Already have bublers and long dimpled stems for our Ones so that should be enough. Maybe it'd benefit from a silicone sleeve.
BL4ZE
Well-Known Member
I was able to use my Lobo through water last night by flipping the V3 Max glass adapter and shoving the opposite end into the lobo.
After only a couple of sessions with it last night I want to use it some more before making an official review.
Compared to my V3 max I feel like it's a little more air resistance and it takes longer to heat up (not a big deal really)
Since I'm using the dosing capsule I just removed the screen inside the Lobo to help free up the airflow.
After only a couple of sessions with it last night I want to use it some more before making an official review.
Compared to my V3 max I feel like it's a little more air resistance and it takes longer to heat up (not a big deal really)
Since I'm using the dosing capsule I just removed the screen inside the Lobo to help free up the airflow.
seedy53
Well-Known Member
those 4 hole glass screens in stems/oven units are a sore point with me.
like the arizer vaps with their 4 hole glass screens are to restrictive and they makes those vaps into sippers.
metal screens work so much better after you knock out those worthless 4-hole glass screens.
then they can become rippers.
Shit Snacks
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One from the fierce is not four holes, that is just the Arizer ones, which tend to have four uneven pretty large holes, since they rely on conduction it's not a big deal because you pack them tight, but if you use too fine of a grind you get more debris through... I even specifically mentioned the HR fierce several times and specifically their style honeycomb screen in the stems because they are much better than the ones in Arizer, the holes are smaller and more even and there are more of them in a consistent pattern... Despite long wanting to have all glass in stems, for other pure convection vapes before, I have come to accept that the steel mesh basket screens just work better despite the added material and maintenance, so that could be a good option here as well, but again my point is the stems from the fierce are quite well done for a hybrid vape like this relying on convection
OrsonWhales
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I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. Like the build but it takes a long time to ramp up. Also the countdown clock starts as soon as you go. Not when it comes to temp. Takes a good 45 seconds to get to 200c. But it takes another minute and a half before it starts chugging. The first few hits are light and tasty. But it won’t replace anything I have already. I think It works best through water but there are better for that. I wanted this to be an optional carry. I’d prefer the POTV one over this with a replaceable battery.I’ve finally come to final conclusions on the Lobo after testing a lot. I gonna try not to make direct comparisons with other vapes, but it is hard not to. I thought POTV did an excellent job making this vape that includes a removable battery which should be mandatory on all vapes. Its accessory features and build quality are excellent making a nice easy to use device.
-Mainly a conduction vape with some convection that doesn’t really get going until 380*F.
-I’m a low temp taste chaser most of the time and the Lobo scores low there with me, there’s better vapes if that’s what you’re after.
-It has a sweet spot for clouds that aren’t too harsh between 380-410*F. It can produce some big hits, but is harsh over 410*F natively though water can help fix that.
-It has a huge bowl about the size of the HR Fierce bowl and the main reason I bought the Lobo, but the heater performance isn’t up to the task even though it tries hard 390*F+. Reminds me how I was let down by the FogPro, but the FogPro is convection only.
-I played a lot using the Fierce stems and found that I could get good taste and clouds even at low temps not resting the stem on the bowl bottom to get good convection from the bowl heat. This was my best way of using the Lobo.
When there’s a comparison thread on the Lobo I might offer some direct comparisons. Really it’s hard to know what people are looking for. Surprisingly I did not find the Lobo as a removable battery replacement for the HR Rogue I was looking for is all I’ll say.
Here’s pics of a group of vapes that are all lower priced and do good at what they do in the different ways they do it and none are getting replaced by the Lobo. None are better than another as they are all different doing things differently, but are excellent at what they do, producing vapor. Couple of Roffus, FogPro, Rogue, Argo, Solo2 and Air Max. Don’t have any Pax or Davinci vapes.
Fierce stems
edit: Troy did a review with some comparisons.
PotV LOBO Review - Best Affordable Portable
The LOBO is the newest portable dry herb vaporizer and one of the best budget vaporizers available.420vapezone.com
Nice review, Petetbay!