Discontinued Pinnacle Pro

[bellas]

And I recommend everyone get a desktop unit. You shouldn't solely use any "portable" as your only vape. Especially if you're a heavy user. Its like programming on a smart phone. It just doesn't work....

When my Pinnacle Pro stopped working I was using three portable vapes. The Solo my personal favorite. I consider her my workhorse and love mixing her up with glass pieces. I have brought the Solo out into public inside a soft drink cup and never had a problem. After I got the day started with the Solo I would load four bullets for my PPro. My carry and vape while put-sing around. When I was ready to settle for the night I would treat myself to some rounds on the Persei Core/Bender.
I have owned a couple home vapes such as The Plenty, Arizer Q, Da Buddha ect. I liked them but found that they seemed more geared towards groups rather then just the wife and I. Heat up time and being tethered to an outlet just didn't work for us.
I am currently using the Solo and Firefly and will start looking for a third unit soon. I take no chances when it comes to my IBS. It helps me with the nausea and constant intestinal pain. My name is bellas I am a cloud chaser and YES I use portable vapes exclusively.

 

[sacredtruths]

@bellas eh. We'll I just make a bag and bring it all over my home....but then again my vapir rise has a nifty valve system. So does the volcano .

 

[Engineering]

My PnP is turning itself off randomly and if it stays on it won't reach any useful temp before 8 min auto shutoff I have a crack above the chamber I heard that means it's not covered, I did not believe this. I only go up to 3 for herb. After the ascent I won't be happy with another loss

That sounds like an internal heater problem, probably a bad thermistor circuit. That is a warranty item.

 

[fogbank]

There have been theories floating around that the plastic degradation may be isolated to PnP users who do one or more or a combination of the following: 1) are daily and heavy PnP users, perhaps 8+ sessions per day + multiple back to back session and/or 2) high temp PnP users who regularly or even exclusively use the 4-5 setting and/or 3) PnP users who use materials that are highly resinous such as oils/waxes that can stick to surfaces and increase their surface temp exposure and/or 4) have extended use of the PnP in the inverted position, increasing contact of the hot metal bullet to plastic PonG parts.

None of these fits my usage pattern and my PnP has none of PonG or Cracking issues.

Anyone experience the damaged PonG issue without doing any of the above? I am not saying you are using it improperly, just trying to help isolate causes.

No problems with mine, and I don't do any of the above behaviors.

I know we're really looking for a "disproving" experience (i.e. a damaged PonG without those behaviors), but the reason I chimed in is because I have always kind of felt that my PnP got too hot after a while, so I keep my sessions short. I also always felt that heat level 3 makes it too hot (not too hot for producing vapor or holding on to, I was just worried about damage to the device), so I mostly stick with 2.

In fact I felt this way before all of the melting/cracking issues were reported. I was worried that the unit was getting so hot that it would cause damage.

 

[BarnBoy]

Hello again folks, it has been over 72 hours on what I want to call the BarnBoy “PATCH” (not FIX!). It will make sense at the unveiling in the third and final installment in the BarnBoy on Cracks Series. I have a few more points to ponder and when I post next, I hope to make a lot of BB fans happy… (keep that mob back for me just a bit longer @Sativape!)

Before we get to Part 2, it is perfect that many folks have mentioned the desire to cool their PNP. The BarnBoy also feels the same and will religiously cool down the PNP after each and every session. I often found that there were 1-2 more hits as it cooled. Often when the BarnBoy vapes to/from SillyValley, he will use the cars AC vent to help keep things even cooler (see photo below). An icy cool GonG really feels good at the end of the day! And from the previous posts on the topic of temperature, I could not have asked for a better segue to the next BB series…

BB NEWS: I received a notice from Andy at Epic Vape. He told me the “FCLOVE” is valid. I however still couldn’t find the entry point. Maybe just make mention of it in some note field and they will correct things for you. Excellent CS!!!

THE BARNBOY ON CRACKS! Part 2
– Thermal Measurements
This segment was initially planned/intended to be a BB Series on its own. Mostly it was inspired from this post showing the TRVB burn in rack. But the latest crack and the BB Patch made it necessary that I see just how hot this bugger gets. Hands can only sense temperatures to about 55C (130F) and much above this temperature it too hot to keep in ones hands. This gives you an idea of how hot your PNP is really getting when you think it is too warm/hot.

What I did in the sake of science, was to pop out the screen on the TRVB GonG and instrument the PNP and GonG with thermocouples. The data taken would be very hard to explain in one chart or graph so instead I will describe what was observed in the sections instrumented.

The first stop is to measure the inside wall of the PNP heating chamber and seeing just how hot that SS wall gets on each setting. What I noticed is the latest fortune cookie I found is basically another Setting 5 and it does time out after 8 minutes. It may also indicate why my Setting 1 produces good vapor…
Setting 1 => 200C (390F) {manual states 370F}
Setting 2 => 210C (410F) {manual states 395F}
Setting 3 => 220C (430F) {manual states 420F}
Setting 4 => 230C (445F) {manual states 445F}
Setting 5 => 240C (465F) {manual states 470F}

I used a probe to sense the temperature of the herb approximately in the middle of the bullet as shown. This was very interesting. The Temperature would stabilize approximately 40C less than the PNP heating chamber wall temperature on all settings. Upon initial draw, the temperature would go up 4-5C and then quickly fall. I think some of the reason it fell fast was I had some leaks with a loose bullet and the TRVB GonG. I did another quick session at the end of the testing and was able to get it so it sealed and the system didn’t swing as much showing me that locking that bullet in proper place makes the PNP a much better machine.

Similar to the middle of the chamber was to measure the inside bullet wall. This appears to be 30C less than the PNP wall (10C higher than herb). Not so exciting except I didn’t see near the deviation in temperature as I did with the herb. (another reason I retested it with a tighter bullet.

The GonG bottom temperature was also measured. Though this temperature doesn’t show much, it did show me that my theory on the GonG keeping the herb cool was correct and thus the strange dark center patterns…

But it was measuring the temperature of the inner back wall near my crack that had me most curious. Though the temperatures observed would stabilize, the temperature was well under 100C. I would observe the temp stabilize and when drawing on the PNP, the temperature would drop at first and then start to increase. The longer the draw, the more the increase (to a point!). Eventually I correlated this to the heaters taking off to keep the temperature from running dropping off a cliff. This temperature also was needed to see if the patch had any chance of surviving the temperature here… (so far, so good!)

So executive summary; the PNP gives you temperatures close to what is in the manual. No place was hotter than the inner heater walls. But these temperatures are near the Tg PES temperature…

May the vapors be with you! Patch exposure is coming next…
-BB

 

[jcbsides]

BarnBoy you're crazy good with this stuff. I always enjoy reading your posts.

I got an lsv, it should arrive in the mail next week. I will still enjoy my PNP and I am looking forward to when the new pgongs get in, but I wanted to try something new.

 

[GeekVape]

Hello again folks, it has been over 72 hours on what I want to call the BarnBoy “PATCH” (not FIX!). It will make sense at the unveiling in the third and final installment in the BarnBoy on Cracks Series. I have a few more points to ponder and when I post next, I hope to make a lot of BB fans happy… (keep that mob back for me just a bit longer @Sativape!)

Before we get to Part 2, it is perfect that many folks have mentioned the desire to cool their PNP. The BarnBoy also feels the same and will religiously cool down the PNP after each and every session. I often found that there were 1-2 more hits as it cooled. Often when the BarnBoy vapes to/from SillyValley, he will use the cars AC vent to help keep things even cooler (see photo below). An icy cool GonG really feels good at the end of the day! And from the previous posts on the topic of temperature, I could not have asked for a better segue to the next BB series…

BB NEWS: I received a notice from Andy at Epic Vape. He told me the “FCLOVE” is valid. I however still couldn’t find the entry point. Maybe just make mention of it in some note field and they will correct things for you. Excellent CS!!!

THE BARNBOY ON CRACKS! Part 2
– Thermal Measurements
This segment was initially planned/intended to be a BB Series on its own. Mostly it was inspired from this post showing the TRVB burn in rack. But the latest crack and the BB Patch made it necessary that I see just how hot this bugger gets. Hands can only sense temperatures to about 55C (130F) and much above this temperature it too hot to keep in ones hands. This gives you an idea of how hot your PNP is really getting when you think it is too warm/hot.

What I did in the sake of science, was to pop out the screen on the TRVB GonG and instrument the PNP and GonG with thermocouples. The data taken would be very hard to explain in one chart or graph so instead I will describe what was observed in the sections instrumented.

The first stop is to measure the inside wall of the PNP heating chamber and seeing just how hot that SS wall gets on each setting. What I noticed is the latest fortune cookie I found is basically another Setting 5 and it does time out after 8 minutes. It may also indicate why my Setting 1 produces good vapor…
Setting 1 => 200C (390F) {manual states 370F}
Setting 2 => 210C (410F) {manual states 395F}
Setting 3 => 220C (430F) {manual states 420F}
Setting 4 => 230C (445F) {manual states 445F}
Setting 5 => 240C (465F) {manual states 470F}

I used a probe to sense the temperature of the herb approximately in the middle of the bullet as shown. This was very interesting. The Temperature would stabilize approximately 40C less than the PNP heating chamber wall temperature on all settings. Upon initial draw, the temperature would go up 4-5C and then quickly fall. I think some of the reason it fell fast was I had some leaks with a loose bullet and the TRVB GonG. I did another quick session at the end of the testing and was able to get it so it sealed and the system didn’t swing as much showing me that locking that bullet in proper place makes the PNP a much better machine.

Similar to the middle of the chamber was to measure the inside bullet wall. This appears to be 30C less than the PNP wall (10C higher than herb). Not so exciting except I didn’t see near the deviation in temperature as I did with the herb. (another reason I retested it with a tighter bullet.

The GonG bottom temperature was also measured. Though this temperature doesn’t show much, it did show me that my theory on the GonG keeping the herb cool was correct and thus the strange dark center patterns…

But it was measuring the temperature of the inner back wall near my crack that had me most curious. Though the temperatures observed would stabilize, the temperature was well under 100C. I would observe the temp stabilize and when drawing on the PNP, the temperature would drop at first and then start to increase. The longer the draw, the more the increase (to a point!). Eventually I correlated this to the heaters taking off to keep the temperature from running dropping off a cliff. This temperature also was needed to see if the patch had any chance of surviving the temperature here… (so far, so good!)

So executive summary; the PNP gives you temperatures close to what is in the manual. No place was hotter than the inner heater walls. But these temperatures are near the Tg PES temperature…

May the vapors be with you! Patch exposure is coming next…
-BB

Excellent work @BarnBoy , very impressive! I await the final instalment with eager anticipation!

 

[Dudefromma]

Sometimes when I use my PNP (5bars battery) to say setting 2 heating or setting 3 the battery would die 1blinking blue light. Then when I charge it shoots to 4 bars flashing to the 5th. Strange lol

Mine has done the same thing a few different times trying to heat up to level 3 when the battery isn't completely full. I was starting to think that maybe there just wasn't enough power left in the batteray but I think the next time it happens I'll just try a new bullet at level 1 and see what happens. Usually I try to get 1 full session on 1,2, and 3 using the "keif burger" technique.

 

[BLaKSmith]

I've now got red lights, this device can't make it's mind up

 

[Dudefromma]

I know this may not be the right thread to ask but can anyone suggest a decent e-cigarette? When I bought the PnP I told myself I was finally going to quit smoking cigarettes, I was mostly using them to cover the smell of combusted herb. I've been 10 days without a camel light and I'm about ready to kill my second disposable Blu e Cigg so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

 

[VapeWeeed]

I've now got red lights, this device can't make it's mind up

Exactly the same thing happened to my first unit..it wouldn't want to heat past level 1 or 2..then it started turning itself off with blue flashing lights..then the red lights came and it never turned on again.

Send it back for a warranty replacement.these things cost too much money to take a loss like that.

 

[BLaKSmith]

I know this may not be the right thread to ask but can anyone suggest a decent e-cigarette? When I bought the PnP I told myself I was finally going to quit smoking cigarettes, I was mostly using them to cover the smell of combusted herb. I've been 10 days without a camel light and I'm about ready to kill my second disposable Blu e Cigg so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Any ego styles will last a while, but if you want power get a mod, depending on your needs 18350-18650 should have you covered for battery life. Cartomizers are the cheapest easiest way to screw and smoke but if you want more capacity tanks are a better option, rebuildable atomizers if you want to diy for cheaper but it can be frustrating. there's infinite choices so buying a whole ecig may not be as suited as if you got a mod and choice of atomizer/carto/tank.

LIQUID IS CHEAPER THAN REFILLS and you'll probably find something you like more than the 5-10 packs of branded refills from say blu or skycig.

and if none of this covers your needs or if you want a cigarette style one then there's no real good choice just not as bad ones. For cig styles I've had decent experience with skycig but I wouldn't recommend if you use it a lot or don't like constant replacements that goes for most cig styles

Exactly the same thing happened to my first unit..it wouldn't want to heat past level 1 or 2..then it started turning itself off with blue flashing lights..then the red lights came and it never turned on again.

Send it back for a warranty replacement.these things cost too much money to take a loss like that.

Way too much money for me to be shitting about like this, I'd imagine it's that way for everyone, which is why I'm surprised there isn't a massive amount of outrage when a product does not reflect the price. I'm also surprised they built a unit with capabilities that literally make it commit suicide and they aren't sending new ones everywhere. I'm assuming if you want a replacement you'll have to send yours in and it will have to be observably defective when essentially all units are, it's like building a car that goes 250mph but the engine explodes and the seats melt over 80mph


it also cost too much money to be sending back IMO unless you're the lucky ones to realise the higher domestic price is probably worth it as international shipping is a cuuuunnnn to say the least

 

[VapeWeeed]

Way too much money for me to be shitting about like this, I'd imagine it's that way for everyone, which is why I'm surprised there isn't a massive amount of outrage when a product does not reflect the price. I'm also surprised they built a unit with capabilities that literally make it commit suicide and they aren't sending new ones everywhere. I'm assuming if you want a replacement you'll have to send yours in and it will have to be observably defective when essentially all units are, it's like building a car that goes 250mph but the engine explodes and the seats melt over 80mph


it also cost too much money to be sending back IMO unless you're the lucky ones to realise the higher domestic price is probably worth it as international shipping is a cuuuunnnn to say the least

Couldn't agree more..honestly I thought it was a great vape, but now I wish I didn't buy it. For the money I spent on the vape and water tool, along with the extra bullets and case, I could have bought something better.

Live and learn, this is what can happen when buying a relatively new product. This thread did lead me to buy the PnP and everything seemed to be going well until all these problems coming in (Which is after I had already bought mine of course)

This vaporizer has caused me more trouble than it's worth..I've been unable to use the PnP for quite a long time, which is a big disappointment when that money could have been better spent

 

[Sativape]

So I’m sure many of you now have your TRVB GonG and pretty much agree with the posts that it is not very stable for use with the WT, will come out in your pocket, etc. Well largely due to a picture in a post from @Sativape, my new grandson, plus posts from long ago (PNP PonG condoms), I present a way to make your GonG very stable. By using a standard silicon baby nipple, cut off the tip, insert the TRVB Gong, and you have a very stable way to keep the GonG secure to our PNP in less than 5 minutes. Sure the GonG wiggles a bit, but it will not fall off! The nipple lip/rim works nicely as a handle to easily pull over the PNP!

So why did I do this? Well the orange cone washer finally failed last night and I decided to continue my original shaping of the silicon tube that came with the Epic GonG. But I needed a way to keep the GonG secure to the PNP. What you see is the result below. The tapered silicon tube is close to the GonG/bullet end. Remaining Epic tube segment is folded and prevents the tapered section from coming back up tube. This technique can be done with an o-ring instead of the custom taper section. Finally comes the silicon nipple to hold it all together. To prevent the bullet from rattling and giving this GonG the extra wow factor, press the screen back down.

Because the PNP is sealed, with the bullet fully engaged, secure beyond imagination (will not fall out in pocket), this is the best BarnBoy PNP improvement yet! To prove how strong the bugger is, see photo of water tool hanging out. Look at the water line! Would you do that with your PonG???

Life is way too short to combust!
-BB

@phazedout – THANK YOU for making my head swell! Send me a personal message if serious. I have plans and parts for Car Charger Proto2, just no desire/time. You could make that change. For the glass, it is all commercially available, just see my posts. I hope you would consider the above as it took me less than 10 minutes and I was very, ah…. very influenced. And even the car charger was easy (Another BB Series- Open the puppy up??). Took me longer to figure out the issue with the 24AWG…

@ BarnBoy,

I'm trying to hold the mob back, but they are growing bigger and angrier by the minute:

 

[BLaKSmith]

Couldn't agree more..honestly I thought it was a great vape, but now I wish I didn't buy it. For the money I spent on the vape and water tool, along with the extra bullets and case, I could have bought something better.

Live and learn, this is what can happen when buying a relatively new product. This thread did lead me to buy the PnP and everything seemed to be going well until all these problems coming in (Which is after I had already bought mine of course)

This vaporizer has caused me more trouble than it's worth..I've been unable to use the PnP for quite a long time, which is a big disappointment when that money could have been better spent

Couldn't agree more aswell , except the live and learn part cause if I don't get my monies worth out of this or the ascent there will be nothing learnt from how I'll be living as I'll probably give up vaping and be struck with a burning scowl whenever the thought arises. If I didn't waste my time with the PnP and ascent I could of got a 'cano and be done for the next 10 or so years

 

[CarolKing]

BarnBoy,
I like your inner McGyvor. You really make this thread worth reading. Thanks for all your tips and your enthusiasm.

 

[GeekVape]

I know this may not be the right thread to ask but can anyone suggest a decent e-cigarette? When I bought the PnP I told myself I was finally going to quit smoking cigarettes, I was mostly using them to cover the smell of combusted herb. I've been 10 days without a camel light and I'm about ready to kill my second disposable Blu e Cigg so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

As @BLaKSmith said the choices are mind boggling! I can only give you my recommendations, from my own experience.

I started off on the cigarette look-a-likes like you. I had the Green Smoke e-cigs, with replaceable cartomisers. A very good quality vape, but the lack of choice of flavours (didn't want tobacco) drove me down the refillable e-juice route.

My next e-cig was the Innokin VV3.0, a variable voltage and variable power semi-mod (I say semi as the battery is non replaceable). It takes both ego style clearomisers and 510 clearomisers. Battery life is good for me, 3-4 days. Very nice unit, goes up to 11W, small and stealthy, still use it occasionally.

I have now stepped up to a full electronic mod, The Beyond Vape Spire. Designed in the US, built in china, and QA'd in the US. Very nice mod, moar power, goes up to 15W! Takes ego and 510 clearomisers, and looks better with larger tanks. Takes all 18xxx series batteries. Hoping it will last me a long time. I bought an Aspire Nautilus clearomiser tank to go with it, and the vape is sublime, great flavour and clouds!

As others have mentioned, you could use a few drops of e-juice in your PNP bullet to mask the smell when you are using it.

Beware of cheap ego clones and cheap chinese mod clones. You want something that won't leak and fall apart, and you definitely don't want something with dodgy batteries!

Hope this helps!

Sorry for the off topic guys.

 

[Krizzle]

I have been reading the pinnacle pro thread on the UK420 site and someone there had received there replacement interim gong like @BarnBoy but the package was marked vapor blunt 3 times and had vaporizer on it. @TherealVaporblunt also marked the package as a $50 value causing an additional £25 in customs charges!! Are us international customers getting the shaft here? I specifically emailed and asked for nowhere on the package it to say vapor blunt but now I'm expecting the worse

 

[cityslang]

Couldn't agree more aswell , except the live and learn part cause if I don't get my monies worth out of this or the ascent there will be nothing learnt from how I'll be living as I'll probably give up vaping and be struck with a burning scowl whenever the thought arises. If I didn't waste my time with the PnP and ascent I could of got a 'cano and be done for the next 10 or so years

Get a lotus honestly it great such a fun learning curve


@Krizzle
I'm awaiting mine for a fat customs charge with vb stamped all over it too

 

[jcbsides]

Sad news, I lost my nipple modded gong. I hope the new pgong comes out soon. Like I said I also got a life saber. I suspect that will be my daily unit but I would like the other piece for this so I have a portable unit.

 

[lookhigh]

I have been reading the pinnacle pro thread on the UK420 site and someone there had received there replacement interim gong like @BarnBoy but the package was marked vapor blunt 3 times and had vaporizer on it. @TherealVaporblunt also marked the package as a $50 value causing an additional £25 in customs charges!! Are us international customers getting the shaft here? I specifically emailed and asked for nowhere on the package it to say vapor blunt but now I'm expecting the worse

Yep has VaporBlunt on package and $50 value. Don't know how they got that value?

 

[Krizzle]

Yep has VaporBlunt on package and $50 value. Don't know how they got that value?

Great! That value is just to shaft us, did you also have to pay the extra ££ customs? Is it possible I can reject this and not pay and leave it with royalmail? The postage wont of even cost the $15 I paid VB as the PNWT I had sent from yoyokid only cost $10! We are getting the shaft it seems Wish I had just held out for vapefiend to get the new version in stock now. There is no way I am paying more in customs fee's for something that has less value than the item itself. Fooking shocking.

EDIT: just looked on royalmail and if I dont pay the fee's they send it back to sender after 21 days. I will see what comes through this week.

 

[lookhigh]

Customs did not look at it thank F.

 

[Sativape]

So I've added some new options to my PNP.
I scooped up a bunch of pyrex black 9mm OD glass tubes.
Dry hitting really lets me savor the flavor of the vapor.
I'm able to hit up to 3 with my glass spacer with o-ring set up and the hits are enormous.
Here are some pics for of the 4inch and 6inch tubes attached to my PNP:

 

[MuushuPork]

So I've added some new options to my PNP.
I scooped up a bunch of pyrex black 9mm OD glass tubes.
Dry hitting really lets me savor the flavor of the vapor.
I'm able to hit up to 3 with my glass spacer with o-ring set up and the hits are enormous.
Here are some pics for of the 4inch and 6inch tubes attached to my PNP:

I would be so grateful if you could pm me some links and instructions on creating this setup. It is my dream setup and somehow you hit on it perfectly. The color and length are exactly what i want.