Discontinued Pax Vaporizer by Ploom

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davyvision

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Smokin_Ace said:
But it is a medical grade stainless steel so presumably it has no power coats etc? I am worried as i got one off ebay in the uk. Paid £220 and it appears genuine in every way, but now i hear fakes have serial numbers, party mode etc and are impossible to tell from a fake. Main worry is that the fakes could be using all sorts of poor materials such as davyvisions post....
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If the is a hex shaped screw it should be real, if the screw on the back is phillips then I'd do some more investagating

Medical grade Stainless Steel was not intended for inhalation. Here is some more info on my concerns....
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/s...nt-chromium-is-it-dangerous.1908/#post-124452
 
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Smokin_Ace

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Everything is authentic looking but i am worried that the fakes have got so good that my product could be unsafe. Does anyone know of just one thing that no fake has been seen with so i can put my mind at rest?
 
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davyvision

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I just orderd the PAX and considering it has an all Stainless Steel pathway I am very worried about Health Effects of Hexavalent Chromium.

My major worry is........they say Chromium bonded into steel to make up the stainless steel....As long as I understand this correctly when the Stain Steel is heated Hexavalent Chromium is produced?

Here is a link that we all should read.
https://www.osha.gov/OshDoc/data_General_Facts/hexavalent_chromium.pdf

Medical grade Stainless Steel was not intended for inhalation. Here is some more info on my concerns....
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/s...nt-chromium-is-it-dangerous.1908/#post-124452
 
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Smokin_Ace

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My pax is 100% genuine looking but my worry is that other users on here say they have a fake that is impossible to tell apart from a genuine. Is this true that there are now fakes with party mode, genuine charger, serial numbers, correct light colours etc?
 
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davyvision said:
If the is a hex shaped screw it should be real, if the screw on the back is phillips then I'd do some more investagating

Medical grade Stainless Steel was not intended for inhalation. Here is some more info on my concerns....
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/s...nt-chromium-is-it-dangerous.1908/#post-124452
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The Pax uses a Torx head screw, not a hex.

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Smokin_Ace said:
My pax is 100% genuine looking but my worry is that other users on here say they have a fake that is impossible to tell apart from a genuine. Is this true that there are now fakes with party mode, genuine charger, serial numbers, correct light colours etc?
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I realize no one answered your question before now but that is not justification for repeating it several times. I have never heard of a Pax that used serial numbers that looked genuine. The counterfeits with engraved serial numbers have all been from a PX series. That could have changed of course. As for party mode, I would be really surprised if a counterfeit turned up with it but again, you can never be sure.
 
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Smokin_Ace

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Thanks pakalolo. Daveyvision, chromium is of course very dangerous to inhale but it is something that burns off quickly and wouldnt always be present in a single piece of metal in that way. Once the initial burn off is done then any amount of chromium released would be minimal and likely no worse than cooking in a stainless steel pan. Does anyone disagree with this? All we really all risking lung cancer by using a pax due to the stainless steel heater and airpath???
 
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davyvision

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Thanks pakalolo. Daveyvision, chromium is of course very dangerous to inhale but it is something that burns off quickly and wouldnt always be present in a single piece of metal in that way. Once the initial burn off is done then any amount of chromium released would be minimal and likely no worse than cooking in a stainless steel pan. Does anyone disagree with this? All we really all risking lung cancer by using a pax due to the stainless steel heater and airpath???
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I canceled my order until I can get to the bottom of this. I would love to believe you, but how does any of us know the behavior of Hexavalent Chromium? Does it burn off the the first time used or is it constantly burning off with every use? Keep in mind the Chromium is bonded to steel to make stainless steel. Another thing is at what temp is Hexavalent Chromium produced? We need an Science Expert.
 
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That could have changed of course. As for party mode, I would be really surprised if a counterfeit turned up with it but again, you can never be sure.​
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Some Fakes do have party mode Now, Really sucks.


Stainless Steel is very safe at vaporization Temps, There is no reason to worry about it at all.

The SS in heater cores and screens are used Because it is safe and inert at less then 1100f or higher.
 
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Smokin_Ace

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Thanks rude boy, guess the main worry now is if a pax is fake the metal could be poor quality, unfinished or sprayed making it dangerous at vape temperatures. What i really want to know if one distinguishing feature that no fakes will have. The 9v charger maybe? I hear all fakes run on 5v?
 
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I have read some fake Pax charge at 9V. I agree that it is a crapshoot as to the quality or materials used by these shady manufacturers, I wouldn't trust them. to find out a little more you can check out the fake Pax thread for info on how to tell a fake from a real Pax.

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What do you mean by "heater cores"?
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The part of the vape that contains the coils and wire wrapping that heats Up. Or just the Heater in general terms.
 
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oh darn! Sorry. Hmm... does VapeWorld ship to UK I wonder, I know they're an authorized reseller. I guess it'd still be a challenge if you needed warranty service too.
 
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Smokin_Ace

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Thanks Lo, just checked and the pax can only be sent to canada or us. When i ordered the pax it looked so easy to spot a fake, as per the youtube video, but now it seems almost impossible :\
 
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Does anyone know where to get a Genuine Pax for less than $250? I only ask because I want a Pax a lot but at $250 I'm looking more into a FF..
 
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HappyFunTime

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Having read though way too many pages of this thread I decided to buy the Pax I thought I would give back and share how I like to store my Pax.

I prefer to use airtight, hard cases for maximum security; as such here are my two ‘raw kits’ made using Pelican Mico-Cases:

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The larger one holds the Pax, fresh raw and ABV films cans, a glass bat Vapor Genie (for smaller amounts or maximum taste), a dual lighter (does touch and flame for the VG), a small poker, and of course Visine. Here is a shot of it all packed up:

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And unpacked:

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And here is my Pax only kit, totally pocketable and includes just the Pax, fresh raw and ABV films cans, and Visine. Packed:

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And unpacked:

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I have to say that I am loving the Pax so far. Knowing to grind well and pack tightly was a big help. As others have noted, the taste does not hold up as long as I would like but the stealth, easy of use, and noob-friendliness more then make up for it.

So far I have had good results when trying to consume a smaller amount by packing it full, setting it to high and then starting to hitting it, gently, during the warmup. Then turning it off after a few wispy hits and then the first or second big pull but continue to draw air with the unit off. I find I can do this 5-6 times on one oven lasting days of travel.

Anyway I hope this helps someone out there looking for case options for the Pax.

Here are links to the cases and foam interests:

Big Case: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GGMMAY/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Big Insert: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GGODXI/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Small Case: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CCZF6E/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Small Insert: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00512WN6G/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
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Catbrah

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Okay guys, I took the plunge and bought a pax! Well I bought it off craiglist (mistake)...Guy got it from a smoke shop and after taking it home, I soon realized that the low temp light is green and not yellow. Very disappointing considering the seller is oblivious to the fact that it is a fake. Yes , I know I should have inspected more carefully when I was buying it... I will make the best of this; who knows , maybe my fake pax is more unique :shrug:
 
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