next generation e-nails?

[BoogerMan]

Thanks for all the support and help everyone!

I lucked out big time. Looks like the post office person today was filling in for my regular mail lady and he didn't know I have a PO Box so he put it in my home mailbox!

So right now I'm warming up the SiC and going to try that first then put the sapphire insert in there before bed and give that a go!

Btw, a lot of gimido items ship from CA now (they have a repair center there to help US customers save on shipping).

I'm sure if I would have messaged gimido before ordering they would have told me that and gave me a USPS shipping option, but I didn't contact them before hand. Live and learn and it all luckily worked out so no worries

Time to get medicated with some SoMango high CBD and the SiC nail!

EDIT:
Well holy fuck this nail tastes amazing. I have some pretty bad tasting oil that I made from some shitty shake. I've dabbed it on titanium, quartz, and ceramic and everytime it tastes harsh unless I do super super low temp and even then it is barely tolerable. I mainly use this nasty tasting wax in my Puffco pen since it is somewhat tolerable in there. Anyways... Long story short, the SiC nail makes this shitty wax actually taste good. Idk what magic is happening here but I like it! And the SoMango, best tasting dab to date for me time for round 2

Also, I'm loving the flat coil. Seems much better than the barrel design for even heat distribution since it is literally touching right below the dab surface Running at 678F and I'm getting no remaining vapor trail after just one pull. I usually take an extra pull to finish the vapor trail with all other nails I use at 678F. I think it's a combo of the efficiency of the flat coil design and the larger surface area of the nail dish

I really like how the carb cap fits partially inside the dish to keep it on the nail. I thought it just sat on top of the nail. The cap is a must!

EDIT 2:
Everyone should be dabbing like this. I was seriously thinking about buying a bunch of new nails (HDP Genesis, Hive ceramic e-nail or a ceramic insert for the HE, Quartz e-nail banger by @BHOglass) but this setup is making me rethink that. I'm wayyyyyyy more medicated then normal just after 2 dabs. Same size as normal.

If any of those nails are essential I'll get one, but if not I'll save my money for other things.

I'm definitely getting a Quartz halo and maybe a sapphire dish since I'm not buying those other nails

EDIT 3:
SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!?!?
How can this shitty wax I have taste so good on the SiC and now the Sapphire insert too? I'm in love with these two! I was literally about to turn this oil into some caps or edibles because even in my pen it is only tolerable. My mind is officially fucking blown right now I really can't believe this. Maybe it is all in my head

EDIT 4:
This is my opinion of a next gen e-nail! It took me to the next level that's a winner in my book

 

[dankfixins]

Love the info here guys. So yea I made the purchase on the halo.. I also have the sic nail and I have to say the sic is still much better than the halo.. The sic is unmatched in flavor and you can get 8-10 fat tokes off of a little glob!.. I'm still happy with my purchase BC I can switch them back and forth to save ware.. Don't get me wrong the halo still is really dank. And maybe I need to do more testing. I also have the saphire insert and I think the sic by itself is much better than the saphire as well..

 

[dankfixins]

^^^ thank you @GSH.

I've been trying to find that info for the SiC dish but didn't dig deep enough.


SiC graph:

I used this chart and almost lost my eye from oil boiling off the dish

 

[Frederick McGuire]

Love the info here guys. So yea I made the purchase on the halo.. I also have the sic nail and I have to say the sic is still much better than the halo.. The sic is unmatched in flavor and you can get 8-10 fat tokes off of a little glob!.. I'm still happy with my purchase BC I can switch them back and forth to save ware.. Don't get me wrong the halo still is really dank. And maybe I need to do more testing. I also have the saphire insert and I think the sic by itself is much better than the saphire as well..

Certain oils taste far better on the sapphire insert, and some taste better straight on the sic.
@herbivore21 can elaborate better than I can, but neither is the "best" option 100% of the time...

After I first tried his sic nail, I figured it would be way better than the convection mode sapphire insert, and t was for some oils, but others were just nicer on the insert - based on a back-to-back comparison

 

[herbivore21]

Love the info here guys. So yea I made the purchase on the halo.. I also have the sic nail and I have to say the sic is still much better than the halo.. The sic is unmatched in flavor and you can get 8-10 fat tokes off of a little glob!.. I'm still happy with my purchase BC I can switch them back and forth to save ware.. Don't get me wrong the halo still is really dank. And maybe I need to do more testing. I also have the saphire insert and I think the sic by itself is much better than the saphire as well..

Welcome to FC man

You may find that you need to jack up the temp on your quartz halo well beyond what you use on SiC. I find that quartz requires somewhere around 100f or so more heat than SiC for low temp dabs.

After having had a chance to go between the SiC, Quartz Halo and Sapphire Halo (whole sapphire dish, not just an insert!), I have realized that many will have different preferences here. Some flavor profiles seem to work better on some dishes than others, but I'm sure some people will prefer one or the other dish for other aspects of their personal preference too.

For those who want maximum efficiency, minimum vapor trails after your dab and maximum clouds, get SiC. No contest here.

For those who want flavor with no compromise and less slow vaporization/trails than quartz and have baller amounts of cash to spend - sapphire halo is the way to go.

For those who want flavor over clouds at the expense of somewhat less efficient vaporization (but still better than any other quartz, even much more expensive quartz that I have used), I would suggest the quartz halo. The quartz halo is a no brainer for those who would ideally like a sapphire halo over SiC but do not have the cash to splash. Both the sapphire and quartz halo's use the wik tech to evenly spread the dab over the dish.

 

[Frederick McGuire]

Damn man, I've gotta try those Quartz and sapphire halos dude.

It's hard to imagine a Quartz nail better than your pukinbeagle convection whachamajigger one...

 

[Monsoon]

Thanks for all the support and help everyone!

I lucked out big time. Looks like the post office person today was filling in for my regular mail lady and he didn't know I have a PO Box so he put it in my home mailbox!

So right now I'm warming up the SiC and going to try that first then put the sapphire insert in there before bed and give that a go!

Btw, a lot of gimido items ship from CA now (they have a repair center there to help US customers save on shipping).

I'm sure if I would have messaged gimido before ordering they would have told me that and gave me a USPS shipping option, but I didn't contact them before hand. Live and learn and it all luckily worked out so no worries

Time to get medicated with some SoMango high CBD and the SiC nail!

EDIT:
Well holy fuck this nail tastes amazing. I have some pretty bad tasting oil that I made from some shitty shake. I've dabbed it on titanium, quartz, and ceramic and everytime it tastes harsh unless I do super super low temp and even then it is barely tolerable. I mainly use this nasty tasting wax in my Puffco pen since it is somewhat tolerable in there. Anyways... Long story short, the SiC nail makes this shitty wax actually taste good. Idk what magic is happening here but I like it! And the SoMango, best tasting dab to date for me time for round 2

Also, I'm loving the flat coil. Seems much better than the barrel design for even heat distribution since it is literally touching right below the dab surface Running at 678F and I'm getting no remaining vapor trail after just one pull. I usually take an extra pull to finish the vapor trail with all other nails I use at 678F. I think it's a combo of the efficiency of the flat coil design and the larger surface area of the nail dish

I really like how the carb cap fits partially inside the dish to keep it on the nail. I thought it just sat on top of the nail. The cap is a must!

EDIT 2:
Everyone should be dabbing like this. I was seriously thinking about buying a bunch of new nails (HDP Genesis, Hive ceramic e-nail or a ceramic insert for the HE, Quartz e-nail banger by @BHOglass) but this setup is making me rethink that. I'm wayyyyyyy more medicated then normal just after 2 dabs. Same size as normal.

If any of those nails are essential I'll get one, but if not I'll save my money for other things.

I'm definitely getting a Quartz halo and maybe a sapphire dish since I'm not buying those other nails

EDIT 3:
SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!?!?
How can this shitty wax I have taste so good on the SiC and now the Sapphire insert too? I'm in love with these two! I was literally about to turn this oil into some caps or edibles because even in my pen it is only tolerable. My mind is officially fucking blown right now I really can't believe this. Maybe it is all in my head

EDIT 4:
This is my opinion of a next gen e-nail! It took me to the next level that's a winner in my book

Welcome to the club! I did notice some unveiling of flavour from some of my shittier oils when I first got the SiC, nice to see it's not just me. Also aren't you glad you ended up getting the carb cap too?

After having had a chance to go between the SiC, Quartz Halo and Sapphire Halo (whole sapphire dish, not just an insert!), I have realized that many will have different preferences here. Some flavor profiles seem to work better on some dishes than others, but I'm sure some people will prefer one or the other dish for other aspects of their personal preference too.

For those who want maximum efficiency, minimum vapor trails after your dab and maximum clouds, get SiC. No contest here.

For those who want flavor with no compromise and less slow vaporization/trails than quartz and have baller amounts of cash to spend - sapphire halo is the way to go.

For those who want flavor over clouds at the expense of somewhat less efficient vaporization (but still better than any other quartz, even much more expensive quartz that I have used), I would suggest the quartz halo. The quartz halo is a no brainer for those who would ideally like a sapphire halo over SiC but do not have the cash to splash. Both the sapphire and quartz halo's use the wik tech to evenly spread the dab over the dish.

That's a great comparison between the different dishes. I'm thinking I might get the sapphire halo when it's out if I have the cash, seems like it would offer more of a difference from the Quartz when compared to the SiC. Have you been using q-tip tek to clean it?

 

[CowGuy]

Could someone do a quick breakdown of some solid nails? I'm looking at getting a ceramic quartz and titanium and so far have only really seen one I like which is the hive ceramic. Some other recommendations would be awesome.

 

[herbivore21]

Welcome to the club! I did notice some unveiling of flavour from some of my shittier oils when I first got the SiC, nice to see it's not just me. Also aren't you glad you ended up getting the carb cap too?


That's a great comparison between the different dishes. I'm thinking I might get the sapphire halo when it's out if I have the cash, seems like it would offer more of a difference from the Quartz when compared to the SiC. Have you been using q-tip tek to clean it?

I noticed the unveiling too! This unveiling is even more pronounced dabbing those same oils on sapphire!

Sorry man took me a while to respond to this one. I haven't used qtip tek yet (looks sweet though! one warning though, do not wet a qtip with iso or water or any cool liquid and touch it onto hot sapphire - you will likely crack it!), I heat up my coil to carbonize any leftover stains and then iso clean it. Sapphire comes up spotless every time without using iso just by heating the coil up (sapphire is safe at temps higher than a d-nail coil could reasonably reach ).

 

[BoogerMan]

Could someone do a quick breakdown of some solid nails? I'm looking at getting a ceramic quartz and titanium and so far have only really seen one I like which is the hive ceramic. Some other recommendations would be awesome.

I'd forget all of those materials and go with the SiC nail by dnail (and the sapphire insert if you have the extra $50).

I was in the same boat as you a couple weeks ago. I have used a handfull of different Quartz, Ti, and ceramic nails (some cheap and some expensive). I had some extra money so I was going to upgrade my nail collection and get a custom Quartz nail made, the HDP Genesis nail for titanium, and the hive ceramic. Before spending all that money I decided to try out the SiC nail and sapphire insert first since it was the most highly recommended around here. Now I see why. Once I received my SiC dish and the sapphire insert, I am no longer getting any of those other nails. The SiC just tastes so much better than the other materials. I don't think I'll ever dab on anything besides SiC and Sapphire now (well, at least until dnail finds the next best material to dab on lol).

 

[herbivore21]

Could someone do a quick breakdown of some solid nails? I'm looking at getting a ceramic quartz and titanium and so far have only really seen one I like which is the hive ceramic. Some other recommendations would be awesome.

You are in the right place my friend.

First of all, standard ceramics, titanium and for the most part, quartz dabbing surfaces are last gen tech. Titanium tastes comparatively dreadful to all other nail materials, even when properly heated with a good enail controller on the nicest titanium. I don't dab on titanium at all, period. Titanium is stronger than most other nail materials, which is why it lasted a long time as a popular nail material.

However, Silicon Carbide, a ballistics/aerospace ceramic is now in use on nails as well. So is Silicon Nitride, a similar kind of ceramic to silicon carbide (but notably with dangerous oxidative degradation releasing ammonia if you heat it way hotter than you ever should heat a nail). Silicon Carbide (SiC) and by extension, I assume Silicon Nitride (SiN) are superior tasting to standard quartz, titanium and ceramic. They are much more durable than all but the titanium and are similarly durable to titanium, given stronger thermal resistance but some small risk of breakage if dropped whilst hot onto a hard surface from a great height. SiC is fine to torch with great thermal shock resistance and a melting point far higher than even a propane torch is likely to achieve without a very long heating period (even if you do somehow degrade your SiC, it forms an oxidated layer of silica oxide - quartz ), SiN should not be torched (ESPECIALLY IF YOU USE A PROPANE TORCH, DON'T TRY IT, NOT EVEN ONCE!).

Now quartz is a tricky one. There are many radically different quartz designs out there. I have used the best of standard DI 20mm quartz nails (pukinbeagle 20mm with reclaim collector downstem) as well as the best quartz banger (Pukinbeagle deep dish banger) and now the quartz halo, with it's machined wik surface which spreads your dab using capillary action over the dish (really quite something to wash). Once I used SiC, I swore I'd never use quartz again. However, this was before I had used a machined quartz halo, which believe it or not, can deliver better taste (depending on flavor profile of your oil and personal preference) than SiC. It is not clearly better tasting, but each are better tasting with different kinds of flavors of oil. Vaporization does not leave significant trails of unvaporized oil coming off the quartz halo after the hit like every other quartz nail I have ever used/seen in use (all other quartz nails seem to leave substantial trails unless you jack up the temp so high that it tastes like generic decarbed earl). The quartz halo is really nice. I would heartily recommend it to those who prefer flavor over clouds/rapid vaporization (if you want the latter two properties, get the SiC).

Now I get to the most game changing material yet - Sapphire. The Sapphire halo also uses the machined wik surface to spread your dab and vaporize more rapidly. It is more chemically inert than quartz, being able to be heated up much hotter than quartz and more than your enail coil is safe to heat to. However, it cannot handle the thermal shock of a torch. Do not torch sapphire unless you want to make yourself cry when you break it. Sapphire is super, duper expensive. Full sapphire halos are not quite available to the public yet I believe. When they are available, expect to pay hundreds for the dish alone (excluding a nail base, which all of these next gen nail dishes require). However, sapphire provides the absolute best flavor I find, bar none.

There is no oil that I have found to taste better on SiC or machined quartz than sapphire. I did have mixed results with my sapphire insert on the infiniti large dish back in the day that misled me to believe that some oils taste better on sapphire and others on SiC, but I was wrong. Sapphire is hands down the best flavor. It also conducts heat better than ti, so it'll vaporize quicker than anything but SiC - coupled with the wicking technology, this thing is a dream! If you want the hands down best nail solution, get one of these when they are available

If you're looking for nails for enail use, hopefully the above will help you understand the lay of the land of new next gen nail materials.

If you are looking to torch, the clear best option is silicon carbide. You do not need to bother with any other material, the others will break/degrade over time with a torch, SiC should last you a lifetime and provide the best torch flavor ever. I need to highlight that for torch use, SiC is much more forgiving than ceramic/quartz/ti if you accidentally dab too hot. Taste is better on those slightly too hot dabs meaning you don't feel cheated out of the flavor like I used to experience all the time torching quartz and ti.

Hope this helps man

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

^^^ Yep.
I just bought my first nail after much helpful advice and insight from this forum.
This is the nail you want.

SiC dish is sick; great taste.
The sapphire insert is ever sooooooo much tastier.



Can't wait for the full Sapphire Halo.

 

[jpdnkstr]

Sniffle, sniffle, cough, cough....... Hell yeah! I'm getting SiC too!

 

[PoopMachine]

I broke down and bought a SIC as well. Really liking it. Wish it had a different base.. sucks to have to buy a HE base after I gave my last one away but the call of the SIC was just too great....

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

This is a cross-post, but I am interested in other peoples experience with this carb-cap/heating method, and this thread has tons of traction:

For a big flavor kick, try loading the dab on the nail cold, then cover with carb cap and heat the whole thing until vapor starts coming out the carb hole, then draw. For big dabs, repeat heating and drawing leaving the cap on the whole time. Mmmm..so goood.

Really? hmmm...

^^^ That's also what I thought.

Dude thanks for the tip it works freaking awesome!!

^^^ I just tried it as well, and holy cow am I surprised.


Placed a dab on the sapphire insert cold and fired 'er up.
A bit under 575* melt was occurring (I cheated a couple of times and looked under the carb cap).
Vapor right after that.
Hit it hard; it was milky.
Got three BIIIIIGGGG hits out of it + another small one (I just let the nail continue to heat up).
All three large hits were super milky and the exhale was much cloudier than usual.
Taste was more pronounced, but I don't think the effect is quite as strong? (Not sure).
I did a normal "hot" dab afterward as the nail was hot; that one was a nice topper.

Might try a cold then hot dab cycle for a bit to see how that works.

 

[BoogerMan]

This is a cross-post, but I am interested in other peoples experience with this carb-cap/heating method, and this thread has tons of traction:





^^^ That's also what I thought.




^^^ I just tried it as well, and holy cow am I surprised.


Placed a dab on the sapphire insert cold and fired 'er up.
A bit under 575* melt was occurring (I cheated a couple of times and looked under the carb cap).
Vapor right after that.
Hit it hard; it was milky.
Got three BIIIIIGGGG hits out of it + another small one (I just let the nail continue to heat up).
All three large hits were super milky and the exhale was much cloudier than usual.
Taste was more pronounced, but I don't think the effect is quite as strong? (Not sure).
I did a normal "hot" dab afterward as the nail was hot; that one was a nice topper.

Might try a cold then hot dab cycle for a bit to see how that works.

I used to do this with my KO domeless nail, a HE small carb cap, and a torch. Put the dab at the bottom of the dish, put on the cap and heated the bottom of the dish until vapor came out the cap.

I really liked the flavor with this method. This method helps prevent overheating the nail and getting that horrible harsh hit which is awesome, but I didn't like how my carb cap changed color from the excessive exposure to heat and I also didn't like how hot the carb cap handle got with this method (had to let it cool for multiple minutes after each dab before being able to remove it).

Now that I have an enail, I personally like doing multiple smaller dabs back to back on an enail. Doing multiple smaller dabs allows me to use lower temps (since the dabs are not glob size) which helps give that rush of flavor like the cold heat up method does. Smaller dabs on lower enail temps also vaporize completely so no more 3 hits to finish one dab. Plus my carb cap doesn't get hot so I can dab after dab after dab as many times as I want with no waiting multiple minutes inbetween

 

[Monsoon]

This is a cross-post, but I am interested in other peoples experience with this carb-cap/heating method, and this thread has tons of traction:





^^^ That's also what I thought.




^^^ I just tried it as well, and holy cow am I surprised.


Placed a dab on the sapphire insert cold and fired 'er up.
A bit under 575* melt was occurring (I cheated a couple of times and looked under the carb cap).
Vapor right after that.
Hit it hard; it was milky.
Got three BIIIIIGGGG hits out of it + another small one (I just let the nail continue to heat up).
All three large hits were super milky and the exhale was much cloudier than usual.
Taste was more pronounced, but I don't think the effect is quite as strong? (Not sure).
I did a normal "hot" dab afterward as the nail was hot; that one was a nice topper.

Might try a cold then hot dab cycle for a bit to see how that works.

The VapeXhale VXN works like that except it uses an all-glass convection air path. Tastes great!

 

[Likes2vape]

This is a cross-post, but I am interested in other peoples experience with this carb-cap/heating method, and this thread has tons of traction:





^^^ That's also what I thought.




^^^ I just tried it as well, and holy cow am I surprised.


Placed a dab on the sapphire insert cold and fired 'er up.
A bit under 575* melt was occurring (I cheated a couple of times and looked under the carb cap).
Vapor right after that.
Hit it hard; it was milky.
Got three BIIIIIGGGG hits out of it + another small one (I just let the nail continue to heat up).
All three large hits were super milky and the exhale was much cloudier than usual.
Taste was more pronounced, but I don't think the effect is quite as strong? (Not sure).
I did a normal "hot" dab afterward as the nail was hot; that one was a nice topper.

Might try a cold then hot dab cycle for a bit to see how that works.

I used this method with a torch not an enail but may have to give it go.

 

[rasmundi]

However, Silicon Carbide, a ballistics/aerospace ceramic is now in use on nails as well. So is Silicon Nitride, a similar kind of ceramic to silicon carbide (but notably with dangerous oxidative degradation releasing ammonia if you heat it way hotter than you ever should heat a nail). Silicon Carbide (SiC) and by extension, I assume Silicon Nitride (SiN) are superior tasting to standard quartz, titanium and ceramic. They are much more durable than all but the titanium and are similarly durable to titanium, given stronger thermal resistance but some small risk of breakage if dropped whilst hot onto a hard surface from a great height. SiC is fine to torch with great thermal shock resistance and a melting point far higher than even a propane torch is likely to achieve without a very long heating period (even if you do somehow degrade your SiC, it forms an oxidated layer of silica oxide - quartz ), SiN should not be torched (ESPECIALLY IF YOU USE A PROPANE TORCH, DON'T TRY IT, NOT EVEN ONCE!).

Very interesting, what do you have to say about the NIOSH limitations on respiratory exposure to SiC. I find it notable that there are no such limitations on Silicon Nitride, perhaps that would be the healthier option - unless of course your wont is white-hot nails and welding goggles...

 

[herbivore21]

Very interesting, what do you have to say about the NIOSH limitations on respiratory exposure to SiC. I find it notable that there are no such limitations on Silicon Nitride, perhaps that would be the healthier option - unless of course your wont is white-hot nails and welding goggles...

Those limitations refer to inhalation of particulates of silicone carbide, which is used in sandblasting and other applications where inhalation of significant concentrations of silicone carbide particulates is a risk.

This is only a risk when using silicone carbide nails if your nail somehow breaks (not impossible, but seriously would take some punishment to achieve!) and you continue using it and inhale particulates.

 

[BoogerMan]

Very interesting, what do you have to say about the NIOSH limitations on respiratory exposure to SiC. I find it notable that there are no such limitations on Silicon Nitride, perhaps that would be the healthier option - unless of course your wont is white-hot nails and welding goggles...

Those limitations refer to inhalation of particulates of silicone carbide, which is used in sandblasting and other applications where inhalation of significant concentrations of silicone carbide particulates is a risk.

This is only a risk when using silicone carbide nails if your nail somehow breaks (not impossible, but seriously would take some punishment to achieve!) and you continue using it and inhale particulates.

Science, knowledge, fuck yeah

 

[darkrom]

Also I'd imagine unless you use the rig dry, any particles that somehow get into the rig, will end up floating around in the water not being inhaled. That is ultimately why I even felt safe using a ceramic nail for a while.

 

[jpdnkstr]

I'm not SiC yet...... But I will be on Friday (just checked my tracking!)

 

[BoogerMan]

I'm not SiC yet...... But I will be on Friday (just checked my tracking!)

Hell yeah you can be SiC all weekend!!

I love telling my parents how SiC I aways am. They probably think my immune system has gone to shit

 

[Radio]

Ugh.. Sic, diamond quartz. . What does this mean what should I order that's under $300 total to get a great setup to start dabbing on. Someone i know has started iso extracting their buds help appreciated