Micro-dosing

florduh

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abstaining for 2 full days bringing down my tolerance. however i accidently take one too large dab and i feel my tolerance is just instantly back up there.
Maybe I need to abstain for more than just a couple of days? before beginning,

I've had good luck with the Dr Sulak re-sensitization method. You abstain for 36-48 hours. On your first day back "on", take one small hit and wait 15 minutes. If you feel any sort of effect, stop for the day (I usually do this at night). Every subsequent day you can increase your dosage slightly until you get your desired effect. Once you reach your desired level of effect, keep your consumption level there. If you overshoot and feel your tolerance creeping up, just repeat the process.

I like to think of it as "Intermittent Weed Fasting".
 

MegaMan2k

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yea good point on Dr Sulak, he is indeed very knowledgeable on this subject.

Also: Im getting difficulties breathing in a way when i take the tolerance break, like seriously hard to get a full deep breath, i often end up yawning when i finally get me a full breath.

ive noticed this "symptom" arise consistently along with every break ive taken over the past couple years.

Anyone els get this? or know any possible explanation?
 

Egzoset

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Salutations,

The recent semantics made me hesitant but i realize in retrospective that my very 1st morning toke still wouldn't pay if it were alone...

Assuming my 1 g divides as 6 ~ 8 bowls and 1 bowl generates 5 ~ 6 tokes then i'm down to the 20 ~ 30 mg range i figured, so it appears it effectively belongs to the "Micro-Dose" category even as i've seen defined in previous posts. Lets also mention there are multiple similar sessions every day and possibly even a "mithridatism" side-effect associated to those...

In any case it didn't seem to me like most decent/popular vaporizers readily provide convenient access to this alternate life-style; actually my consumption tool eventually modulated the consumer profile in a durable manner after i started exploring "1-Hitter" scenarios and now the feature which i find even more stimulating happens to be "Micro-Bursting", as i may have explained before.

Anyway what's the use for micro-dosing if a 300 mg bowl still needs to bake between 2 inhalations? Or if a ridiculously light bowl calls for a refill after each "dose"?... So i've adopted ~125 mg + stirring as a viable strategy, using a tool that will let me chop it down into chunks that feel trivial individually, but offer appropriate "granularity" in seeking the tolerance threshold from added samples.

The tool shapes ritual and mine finally promotes self-discipline without imposing it, while i recall previous slow "Hot Dry Air Ovenizer" devices came with a contrasting heavy "locomotive" effect that i found most wasteful and less than natural.

One stimulating challenge is to attain micro-dosing and never bake significantly: e.g. a job better suited for my kind of "bursting" and reciprocally IMO.

Good day, have fun!! :peace:
 
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stressed

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Anyone here microdosing with dabs?,
Im getting back to microdosing, after over-dosing for a long time lol.

I find it "possible" to microdose with dabs, but i really need to pay much attention to the amounts, since i can ruin that tolerance in one hit

i weigh everything. i load my sai TAF with .02 of shatter and take a few tokes off of it. small to mid size tokes. i've never been able to just do one or 2 tokes. it's a lack of discipline thing. :)

when i started this thread, i was doing mostly bud with 2 grams of shatter per month. a few months ago, i started doing nothing but shatter and crumble. i can't wake and bake with it as it always makes me want to take a nap.

i vape it at low temps from 330 to 350 degrees but it still gets me tired that early in the morning. it's hard to do just one pull.

so i bought a mighty and i'm now wake and baking with bud and later in the morning i'll start on the shatter.

i tried to micro dose on concentrates and failed miserably. i have 10 grams of concentrate though so i'll try, try again.
 

cloraform

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Hey everyone just started reading the thread and enjoying the conversation so far! Have like 20 more pages to catch up on still but wanted to chime in

I have a bog oak woodscents that I use on the daily. Gonna try micro-dosing with it over the next few weeks as a form of a tolerance break! Because Ed uses the dynavap tips I guess my lowest dosage could be .03? Looking forward to trying this with you all!!
 

cloraform

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Vapcaps are my daily drivers. You can microdose any amount you please. There is no minimum. Just pop a tiny amount into the herb chamber and away you go. I microdose throughout the day and my usual load is .015.

Agreed I love running vapcaps with my woodscents! So handy those little things
 

Egzoset

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Salutations CloraForm,

Gonna try micro-dosing with it over the next few weeks as a form of a tolerance break! Because Ed uses the DynaVap tips I guess my lowest dosage could be .03?

30 mg sounds fine for starters but there's still a difference in the consumption mode when comparing scenarios.

For example i've tagged it "Micro-Bursting" in my own case, while there are other applications where this may be refered to as "pulse heating" or even "explosive vaporisation"... Although a pipe as mine doesn't operate in oxygen-free vacuum, like the device illustrated below apparently, it sure provides "rapid heating" and hence i believe that's one hint about how to avoid hurting aroma/taste appreciation - which i find most crucial trying to deal with such tiny tokes, actually!


Japan Analytical Industry (JAi) Curie Point Pyrolyzer model JCi-22


It's used in Pyrolysis Gas Chromatography and that's portable IH technology!!

jci_1.jpg


[ http:// oi68.tinypic.com/2d75un9.jpg ]

2. Rapid heating prevents from secondary reaction and decomposition.
So i figured that's how "Micro-Bursting" comes with the benefit of lesser "secondary reactions".

...

Some more reading relative to JAi's "Pulse Heating":

[ http:// www.icadtsinternational.com/files/documents/1992_061.pdf ]

Results

Volatile substances (at least 25 kinds of organic compounds) could be separated on a Porapak Q column by pulse heating GC(-MS) method. They were confirmed to be vaporized and not to be pyrolyzed (decomposed) on a Pyrofoil heated at 160°C for 4 seconds by pulse heating GC-MS.
Briefly put, it seems "Pulse Heating" is good enough for high-tech forensics and hence why not use this as a source of inspiration of our own kind! Not to mention the temperature ranges can already be made compatible...

Good day, have fun!! :peace:
 

tennisguru1

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Salutations CloraForm,



30 mg sounds fine for starters but there's still a difference in the consumption mode when comparing scenarios.

For example i've tagged it "Micro-Bursting" in my own case, while there are other applications where this may be refered to as "pulse heating" or even "explosive vaporisation"... Although a pipe as mine doesn't operate in oxygen-free vacuum, like the device illustrated below apparently, it sure provides "rapid heating" and hence i believe that's one hint about how to avoid hurting aroma/taste appreciation - which i find most crucial trying to deal with such tiny tokes, actually!




[ http:// oi68.tinypic.com/2d75un9.jpg ]

2. Rapid heating prevents from secondary reaction and decomposition.
So i figured that's how "Micro-Bursting" comes with the benefit of lesser "secondary reactions".

...

Some more reading relative to JAi's "Pulse Heating":

[ http:// www.icadtsinternational.com/files/documents/1992_061.pdf ]

Results

Volatile substances (at least 25 kinds of organic compounds) could be separated on a Porapak Q column by pulse heating GC(-MS) method. They were confirmed to be vaporized and not to be pyrolyzed (decomposed) on a Pyrofoil heated at 160°C for 4 seconds by pulse heating GC-MS.
Briefly put, it seems "Pulse Heating" is good enough for high-tech forensics and hence why not use this as a source of inspiration of our own kind! Not to mention the temperature ranges can already be made compatible...

Good day, have fun!! :peace:

Exactly why I LOVE my Xvape Vista All Quartz
On the 1st setting it lights up Sooo fast... & POW!
No mess, no clean up NO WASTE at ALL.
It is a Micr-Blast as you say.
Best Micro Doser I use.
I can good mico -doses with great
flavor from the Cerum Donut on a TC mod
kind of a 20 second sipper on .01 - .02
 
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Egzoset

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Salutations TennisGuru1,

...Xvape Vista All Quartz...

Quartz actually inspired me recently, i imagined a quartz glass tube sealed at the ends, with no leads other than a few internal support-wires holding an IH-driver "susceptor" in its center (e.g. a wireless heater element of which the weight and induced heat are directly related)... Such all-glass external shell would translate as ZERO metallic contact surface present in a cannabic path worthy of any purist.

This wireless IR lamp, essentially (i guess...), would mostly generate radiative heat through its quartz coating (by the way that reminds me of the AroMed...), to the difference that an IH Quartz heater bulb would deliver power as a function of its susceptor, inversly to its "agility" but that's no concern in thermalizing situations anyway. Right?? After all, thermal interfaces implying delays in the conductive mode are legion, not to mention delays from conversion of conductive heat to radiative heat to convective heat...

Often enough it may prove possible to turn a limitation into a beneficial feature. This time my kind of "Pulse Heating" calls for a generalized/simplified representation - as that felt most appropriate:
Its core in yellow corresponds to the heat-source, which can be a metal disc with holes or some Quartz glass bulb containing the IH susceptor inside... You tell me about heat conversion issues.

Each "Transit" area would be made of Silicon Carbide (SiC) foam similar to VaporGenie's pellet; fresh air enters on one side and hot air exits via the other. In stand-by mode the 3-layers structure would temporarily behave much like a thermal bottle since each side would contain the central heat source with thermal insulation walls, essentially. I mean just torch an SiC pellet until it turns red-hot then touch it after a few seconds only: it's getting cold real fast. So, SiC is a bad conductor of heat and each air pocket trapped in its matrix contributes further to the insulation layer, though gradually and on a transitional basis - but that's all IH toking will require in "pulse" mode!

Of course the situation becomes most interesting when things are set in motion, during the transition when new useful dynamic properties emerge. It works like an airflow-activated solid-state heat valve, allowing temporary storage of energy in its core until it floods a cannabic bowl located right on the other face of one SiC wall, some 2.4 ~ 3.1 mm away in an ideal scenario i'll bet!

Imagine a thermal catapult analogy where there is an accumulation before a sudden release, nothing to do with slow & steady, yet very profitable i suspect. I our case IH Pre-Heating causes the build-up.

:science:

IMHO when energy potentially relies on a shoe-string "portable" budget there's simply none to waste over glorified radiative heat, lost in vain. Consequently i certainly support Quartz for purist-level "nail" applications, yet i still question layouts incompatible with this basic goal: to aim for the "Shortest Path of Lesser Transformation".

Personally i believe that cannabic path can be nearly as short as a 2.5 mm transit within spongy SiC; as for transformation i find trichome glands already offer sexy packaging as it is, at an unbeatable cost considering it supplies goodies in grapes where selection was performed at the genesis site, on a molecular basis!... So, who seriously wants to risk missing nature's patient perfectionism?!

Good day, have fun!! :peace:
 
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Each "Transit" area would be made of Silicon Carbide (SiC) foam similar to VaporGenie's pellet; fresh air enters on one side and hot air exits via the other. In stand-by mode the 3-layers structure would temporarily behave much like a thermal bottle since each side would contain the central heat source with thermal insulation walls, essentially. I mean just torch an SiC pellet until it turns red-hot then touch it after a few seconds only: it's getting cold real fast. So, SiC is a bad conductor of heat and each air pocket trapped in its matrix contributes further to the insulation layer, though gradually and on a transitional basis - but that's all IH toking will require in "pulse" mode!

I would have to disagree with this part, SiC is actually a very good heat conductor, even in a foam-like structure, see here:

https://www.americanelements.com/silicon-carbide-foam-409-21-2
It's better than most metals except for the really conductive ones like copper, silver and gold.
Other than that, your ideas sound super awesome. :nod::clap:
 

FractaLSD

PsychMyc
15ug. Thats the ticket.

I sense this is mostly about microdosing cannabis. I guess this is not for me, my tolerance is too high.

What i can say is microdosing psychedelics has a good chance of alleviating symptoms of depression and ptsd but im sure thats not news to anyone who is interested in such things.

I guess the only way it can pertain to vapor is dmt pgvg carts. That actually works very well.

For cannabis, i guess my doses are "micro" when its been a while or say ive been vaping 100% and the first time i hit the bong or have a nice J, im so stoned. Could be vice versa also (vapor after a long time)

Im usually good with a bowl or two of the Firefly2, which isnt very big. Or a full Crafty/Mighty session gets me pretty nice (though id rather do 2 sessions :p)
 
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florduh

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Micro dosing dmt? I'm interested to hear what that helps with. Or if it's purely recreational.

Yeah me too, lol. I will say, at times when I achieved a sub-breakthrough effect, I still felt an overwhelming sense of well-being. I'm pretty sure tryptamines have a profound effect on the serotonin system, but I'm not super well versed in this.
 
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FractaLSD

PsychMyc
Oh, i didnt mean microdosing when it came to dmt BUT i suppose you can. With a PGVG tank and the concentrations of dmt i was using (250mg per cart, 70/30 ratio of pgvg, usually ill throw some bho in too), the first hit doesnt do all that much, it takes about 5-7 hits to "blast off" using those carts. So you can MD dmt technically. I just always feel like if im using dmt at all, i tend to use enough to "break through" at least somewhat. But a couple times i just took 1-3 pgvg hits and it was really cool.

You can certainly take low doses of dmt, which is very hard to do if youre using it conventionally (just blasting it vs the pgvg tank). It does the same things that psilocybin does in terms of depression. I mean psilo is just 4-hydroxy-DMT

I myself just recently heard of and tried the pgvg method so up until then microdosing dmt was pretty much impossible. But it certainly works. However, usually with microdosing you take less than needed for even threshold. With dmt its hard to have too little to feel a thing, but you can def go on a mild trip and then in 5 minutes just feel the afterglow, which certainly improves mood.

However no matter what i dont consider smoked/vaped dmt recreational. when i break through i always feel like im gonna die and be reborn. Certainly not for parties, lol.

But yes, tryptamines generally will ward off depression and help people suffering from PTSD after the experience is over. Any dose really. The lower the better, in general. But a full on trip works wonders too. Id say if going for the full experience, psilo is the best for depression
 
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withoutbliss

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Hm, I wouldn't doubt micro dosing dmt having some type of benefit.

I microdose my bud by finely grounding it up and mixing it with other herbs to make a daily herbal blend. My tolerance is so low that the ratio is at 24:1 (24 additional herbs, 1 cannabis). Each sesh measures in at about .1 grams.

Surprisingly I'm able to get where I want to be and I'm able to pass a drug test :D
 

cascades

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What other herbs are you using? That is amazing you can pass a drug test
Hm, I wouldn't doubt micro dosing dmt having some type of benefit.

I microdose my bud by finely grounding it up and mixing it with other herbs to make a daily herbal blend. My tolerance is so low that the ratio is at 24:1 (24 additional herbs, 1 cannabis). Each sesh measures in at about .1 grams.

Surprisingly I'm able to get where I want to be and I'm able to pass a drug test :D
 
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kurt6652

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yea good point on Dr Sulak, he is indeed very knowledgeable on this subject.

Also: Im getting difficulties breathing in a way when i take the tolerance break, like seriously hard to get a full deep breath, i often end up yawning when i finally get me a full breath.

ive noticed this "symptom" arise consistently along with every break ive taken over the past couple years.

Anyone els get this? or know any possible explanation?
I get that too, for me it's an anxiety or lack of sleep issue.
 
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withoutbliss

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My blend consists of Organic Damiana and Catnip at the moment @cascades. Maybe some peppermint or sage for flavor. Hops is a great herb to vape but it's a bit more expensive to buy organic hops.

It's crazy I can pass a drug test but I do drink tons of water and work out daily so I imagine that contributes as well.
 
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cascades

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What kind of benefits/effects are you seeking from this blend?
I get that too, for me it's an anxiety or lack of sleep issue.
My blend consists of Organic Damiana and Catnip at the moment @cascades. Maybe some peppermint or sage for flavor. Hops is a great herb to vape but it's a bit more expensive to buy organic hops.

It's crazy I can pass a drug test but I do drink tons of water and work out daily so I imagine that contributes as well.
 
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withoutbliss

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The only benefit I'm looking for with this blend is the ability to control my dose of medicinal herb. Since it's such a tiny amount, I needed to find other vapable herbs to use as a base. I tried quite a few herbs and settled with Damiana and Catnip because of their vapor quality, price and convenience.
 

EverythingsHazy

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The only benefit I'm looking for with this blend is the ability to control my dose of medicinal herb. Since it's such a tiny amount, I needed to find other vapable herbs to use as a base. I tried quite a few herbs and settled with Damiana and Catnip because of their vapor quality, price and convenience.
You're using 0.1g of that mixture? If so, it's insane that you feel anything significant at all. That's only ~0.004g of bud. I wonder if whatever you are feeling is also from the other herbs.


As for using other herbs to "cut" the potent Cannabis material, for dosing purposes, have you tried Cannabis fan leaves?
 
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