Discontinued Magic Flight Launch Tube

[magicflight]

Hi,

So every time you load a bowl in the MF it cant be finely grounded? or what im confused. also does it have to be a large bowl loaded in the screen? or will blacken if its a smaller loaded bowl? im cool with that(loading larger bowls every time), just wondering on this end :/

It is better that the load be ground, and finer grinds tend to be better, (to a point -- powdering would probably be too much).

It is best if the load is about 2/3 of the distance up the screen. Most people consider that to be a moderately small load, only a little larger than that associated with a "one hit" pipe. Loading more than this tends to result in heating which is not as even. With over-filling, if you try to get the top of the load visibly browned by adding a lot of heat, you are also likely to make the bottom of the load too dark.

If you place a load that is less than 2/3, the heating will be even and you will be able to see when to stop. However, even here, if you continue to add heat past this point, it is possible to eventually blacken that load as well.

-- Magic-Flight

 

[stickstones]

That stuff about burned vs scorched vs...

I've never seen that distinction around here. Your descriptions seem like it needs a microscope to ultimately determine...maybe not. But in general I think you will find that brown is preferable and whenever you get black, you either are burning or getting too close to enjoy the taste.

 

[magicflight]

That stuff about burned vs scorched vs...

I've never seen that distinction around here. Your descriptions seem like it needs a microscope to ultimately determine...maybe not. But in general I think you will find that brown is preferable and whenever you get black, you either are burning or getting too close to enjoy the taste.

Hi,

We use those distinctions internally, and yes, for some of our experiments geared towards absolute efficiency, we did often check the results with a microscope, although that (and chemical tests) are not usually necessary. Visual inspection will be able to distinguish those concepts nearly all of the time.
When I started posting on FC, I presumed that people would distinguish burning, but not blackening and scorching, which seemed to be used interchangeably (and I followed that convention, although now I wish that I had been more explicit from the start).

Also, I agree that it is best to aim for an even browning -- that is optimal. It is best to avoid anything that causes blackening, scorching, or burning -- all of which are indicators of bad taste and something that can be improved.

For the Launch Tube, which does not have the controls or configuration for perfect even browning, (the price paid for quickness), there is some allowance for the browning on the bottom to be noticeably darker than that found on the center top. From our testers, it seems that different people seem to prefer different levels of brown. Also, new users or over-enthusiastic ones (or even smokers who don't care) will sometimes apply too much heat and cause blackening on the bottom edges in the fold of the screen. While we do not attempt to prevent the user from potentially causing blackening, we do take explicit steps to prevent scorching and burning.

-- Magic-Flight.

 

[MrMistyTokes]

Hello I have been a long time lurker without much time to post. I am the other Canadian to get one sent up here and im sad to see you say its going to take a week longer?

and to the burning debate i dont have one friend irl that wouldnt like to scorch the fuck out of it so theres no waste lol

 

[thevapedcrusader]

could you use a smaller (weaker) battery or somehow retard the power to ensure no scorching? The shit doesnt have to actually burst into flames to produce filthy smoke instead of vapor.

 

[Hennessy1414]

durr theres no fucking smoke!!!^^^^

all you have to do is get your technique down and your good to go. I can only assume that watching CD's vid.

 

[thevapedcrusader]

ok then could you use a weaker battery or retard th power to ensure no blackening or burnt popcorn taste or the need to fuck around with technique too much. Im pretty sure if this thing is capable of burning which they are now stating it is then it can produce smoke.. Durr

 

[stickstones]

For the Launch Tube, which does not have the controls or configuration for perfect even browning, (the price paid for quickness)

How much of a price? Would a heat up time of even up to 30 seconds allow it to get an even brown? You don't have to be at 4 seconds to be better than everyone else in the industry.

 

[djelimon]

"It may be possible to operate the Launch Tube in below freezing conditions"

Okay, but freezing is 32 Farenheit. 50 is sweater weather

 

[MrMistyTokes]

"It may be possible to operate the Launch Tube in below freezing conditions"

Okay, but freezing is 32 Farenheit. 50 is sweater weather

for real bud.

im not worried because i hate walkin anyways ill always be in a car or under a roof lol

im hoping it will be here for my wednesday night shift.. it was shipped last tuesday but i thought i read somthing about poor ol canada getting an extra week of ship time??

 

[Phaang]

AARRGGHH. I wish I wasn't traveling because I'm sure there's a replacement Launch Tube at the post office waiting for me.

Some comments on the look and feel of the unit. It does look a little hand-crafted, but finished fairly nicely. There are some further finishes that could make the unit look better (i.e flame polishing on the edge of the pyrex tube) but all-in-all, the device looks better than a simple high school science fair project!

I applaud magic flight their effort to reach out to the vaporizing community on this site. We are a very informed, technical, devoted group. Get past our objections and I'm sure you'll end up with a product that is well received by the masses.

The screen is small enough that you should consider this device effectively a "one-hitter". So, like all one-hitters, there's a time and place, and a reasonable expectation of effort to load enough "bowls" to get to the desired state. There is a certain amount of stealth factor to this, but it does take fiddling and so I wouldn't classify it as ultra stealthy.

I do have trouble seeing an $80 price tag on this. I'm aware of the cost of development (I'm in manufacturing also), but the final product does not look like an $80 item. Not that I'm advocating putting gold plating on the electrodes just to sex it up, but you may want to re-examine the price point.

I will put my replacement unit to the test as soon as I get back this Friday and report my experiences (any further comments Clear Dome??)

 

[Phaang]

That stuff about burned vs scorched vs...

I've never seen that distinction around here. Your descriptions seem like it needs a microscope to ultimately determine...maybe not. But in general I think you will find that brown is preferable and whenever you get black, you either are burning or getting too close to enjoy the taste.

Hi,

We use those distinctions internally, and yes, for some of our experiments geared towards absolute efficiency, we did often check the results with a microscope, although that (and chemical tests) are not usually necessary. Visual inspection will be able to distinguish those concepts nearly all of the time.
When I started posting on FC, I presumed that people would distinguish burning, but not blackening and scorching, which seemed to be used interchangeably (and I followed that convention, although now I wish that I had been more explicit from the start).

Also, I agree that it is best to aim for an even browning -- that is optimal. It is best to avoid anything that causes blackening, scorching, or burning -- all of which are indicators of bad taste and something that can be improved.

For the Launch Tube, which does not have the controls or configuration for perfect even browning, (the price paid for quickness), there is some allowance for the browning on the bottom to be noticeably darker than that found on the center top. From our testers, it seems that different people seem to prefer different levels of brown. Also, new users or over-enthusiastic ones (or even smokers who don't care) will sometimes apply too much heat and cause blackening on the bottom edges in the fold of the screen. While we do not attempt to prevent the user from potentially causing blackening, we do take explicit steps to prevent scorching and burning.

-- Magic-Flight.

What about marketing two options: high heat. Low heat?

 

[magicflight]

... you say its going to take a week longer?

We never know what customs will do. Sometimes they do nothing and things arrive quickly. Other times -- ?? This affects everyone shipping over international borders -- not just Magic-Flight.

 

[magicflight]

could you use a smaller (weaker) battery or somehow retard the power to ensure no scorching?

We are planning to offer a few longer draw, slower/ lower temp units for FC membership who specifically want that.

 

[magicflight]

Would a heat up time of even up to 30 seconds allow it to get an even brown? You don't have to be at 4 seconds to be better than everyone else in the industry.

For the suggested difference in the temperature for the set point, the time goes from 4 seconds to 20 seconds. This means that from the time the battery is applied, it is appx 20 seconds before visible vapor production. Also, the heating is much more even in these cases. It will never be perfect however -- of the 6 available "sides", only 5 are generating of heat.

 

[magicflight]

"It may be possible to operate the Launch Tube in below freezing conditions"

Okay, but freezing is 32 Farenheit. 50 is sweater weather

Agreed -- I was suggesting it may be possible -- it has not been tried below 50 and the test AT 50 was inconclusive for other reasons. Therefore, for the sake of truth, I could not claim that it would operate ok in the cold. With my detractors requiring me to be more careful with my claims, I can only state that I know it will operate at 55 and above. Also, for completeness, the highest temp we tested at was an ambient 95 degrees (no problems).

At some point, this will need to get tested -- please stay tuned.

-- Magic-Flight

 

[magicflight]

I do have trouble seeing an $80 price tag on this. I'm aware of the cost of development (I'm in manufacturing also), but the final product does not look like an $80 item.

It is true that we had intended (during product development) to have it cost appx $60 (didn't happen). If there were fewer people and agreements involved, the price would be a bit lower. I am not permitted to go into details. However, be aware that 'bringing something to market' requires lots of people "handling" things and many (you would not believe how many!) other hidden costs (paid for by the business). Manufacturing costs are not the most important factor in determining how much something is worth in the market.

The other thing to keep in mind is our lifetime functional guarantee/warranty -- you are not just buying one unit -- rather you are buying that one and however many more/other replacement units we will need to send you to keep you using our vape over the next several years. The price is somewhat higher to cover our costs in making and shipping all of the support components that are covered. The screen is very delicate -- we expect some people will break them, regardless of how much we ask "please be careful with it". The warranty is an an important part of our service, and ultimately, it comes with a somewhat higher cost (else we are out of business and everyone looses). If you have any doubts, check the costs associated with any of the products sold by other companies with these sorts of policies -- they come at a premium. You will quickly come to realize that our price is actually very low.

Also, just for giggles, we had actually considered gold plating -- for now that's unlikely but the option is not off the table for the future. One main objection is the plaiting process itself -- not very environmentally friendly -- we are looking for alternatives.

-- Magic-Flight

 

[magicflight]

What about marketing two options: high heat. Low heat?

Outside of FC, the feedback has definitely been in favor of fast response. People who pick up the unit and do not see anything happening within the first 10 seconds think the unit is broken even though it is working fine (not good).

Ironically, in other sales arenas we have actually had the request for hotter units -- for people actually wanting combustion -- an electric pipe. We debated internally if we would offer such units, but the notion was rejected due to the possible confusion in the marketplace (what happens when people with specifically hot units show them to their vape friends -- only to have it declared "broken"?).

The "extra low setpoint" units we plan for FC folk are 'specials' and are part of a custom batch. They will be provided on demand to people who simply reject the idea of learning how to modulate the energy level in the device themselves.

-- Magic-Flight

 

[MrMistyTokes]

The "extra low setpoint" units we plan for FC folk are 'specials' and are part of a custom batch. They will be provided on demand to people who simply reject the idea of learning how to modulate the energy level in the device themselves.

-- Magic-Flight

thats ridiculously good service, but kinda sad for ppl of a vape forum to need dumb proof vapes haha just me thoughts though

i knew exactly what u meant about giving power bursts instead of holding it even while i was reading peoples posts about how they wonder why its brown when they hold it on for a minute, and i have 3 posts and yet to recieve mine lmao

 

[Clear_Dome]

What about marketing two options: high heat. Low heat?

Outside of FC, the feedback has definitely been in favor of fast response. People who pick up the unit and do not see anything happening within the first 10 seconds think the unit is broken even though it is working fine (not good).

Ironically, in other sales arenas we have actually had the request for hotter units -- for people actually wanting combustion -- an electric pipe. We debated internally if we would offer such units, but the notion was rejected due to the possible confusion in the marketplace (what happens when people with specifically hot units show them to their vape friends -- only to have it declared "broken"?).

The "extra low setpoint" units we plan for FC folk are 'specials' and are part of a custom batch. They will be provided on demand to people who simply reject the idea of learning how to modulate the energy level in the device themselves.

-- Magic-Flight

I'm sorry but I have a problem with that ,it's fun that you want to satisfy us with a lower temp unit but I mean , people who want the ''hotter version'' are just ignorant . If you want to satisfy them ,right , but dont call this a vaporizer cause it burn , call it an electric pipe . doest it make sence ?

also , will a lower temp unit will worker longuer on the same batterie ?

 

[magicflight]

What about marketing two options: high heat. Low heat?

Outside of FC, the feedback has definitely been in favor of fast response. People who pick up the unit and do not see anything happening within the first 10 seconds think the unit is broken even though it is working fine (not good).

Ironically, in other sales arenas we have actually had the request for hotter units -- for people actually wanting combustion -- an electric pipe. We debated internally if we would offer such units, but the notion was rejected due to the possible confusion in the marketplace (what happens when people with specifically hot units show them to their vape friends -- only to have it declared "broken"?).

The "extra low setpoint" units we plan for FC folk are 'specials' and are part of a custom batch. They will be provided on demand to people who simply reject the idea of learning how to modulate the energy level in the device themselves.

-- Magic-Flight

I'm sorry but I have a problem with that ,it's fun that you want to satisfy us with a lower temp unit but I mean , people who want the ''hotter version'' are just ignorant . If you want to satisfy them ,right , but dont call this a vaporizer cause it burn , call it an electric pipe . doest it make sence ?

also , will a lower temp unit will worker longuer on the same batterie ?

Hi CD,

Agreed. As I had said, we do sometimes get asked for custom units hotter than the current set-point -- but we decline to provide them. IF (and only if) we had provided an over-temp version, it would have been called "an electric pipe", and not a vape. However, we are in the vape business, not the pipe business. As such, we will make lower temp units on demand, but not higher temp ones.

We consider that the optimal set point to be that which
1) gives maximum responsiveness AND
2) does not permit actual ignition (even when misused).

In regards to your question, a significantly lower temp setting will extend battery life somewhat -- probably about 10% or so. More than that, I would not count on.

 

[Hennessy1414]

couldnt you just have made it so there's a small screen pocket chamber that the herb can load into so it can cook it much more evenly? 360 degree surrounding of heat.

tell me if I'm way off on thinking that :/

 

[Clear_Dome]

I'm not talking about any ''custom set unit'' , I'm talking about the actual unit that you selling RIGHT NOW....cause if I use it as shown in your video or in the user guide with full loaded batterie (correct me if I'm wrong) the unit does'nt provide a clean vapor (toxin less vapor) and if you think I'm wrong please tell me WHAT TEMPERATUR REACH THE SCREEN ? .Of course by using it for a shorter period of time or with shorter heating time the unit will make a clean vapor but will loose all efficience :/ . I'm not try to bash against your unit , I'm just trying to explain what I feel about the actual unit I have . If I was you I would just return to the drawing table to re think the whole vap cause like I said your unit have some really good point , it work on batterie (so no flame , no cord , no gas ) and it is really fun to watch (what is something totaly new to me ) and I have to admit that this is the best working conduction vap I have tryed (as any other was total crap) , but it doesnt make delicious vapor that I (and most of the real vaporist) are use to ,and this is not only for the taste but the ratio air/vapor is way to low . I really think that conduction is not the way to go . On this, no offence , I'm just trying to help you and try to give a real opinion to the other vaporist . I would also try to find a way to make it more solid and shorter , cause this unit will not last 2 minut inside my pants pocket and it is really fragil if you compare it to the vapman , vapor genie , iolite , suprem vaporizer ect ... and a last thing is to built it using some true natural matiral such as borosilicate (pyrex) and wood only , NO ACRYLIC please

I will throw it to Vtact this week , so let's see what he will think about it .

 

[magicflight]

couldnt you just have made it so there's a small screen pocket chamber that the herb can load into so it can cook it much more evenly? 360 degree surrounding of heat.

Not that we are aware of that is not either more fragile and/or more awkward/difficult to load. A number of things were tried, none seemed to really work out.

 

[magicflight]

I'm not talking about any ''custom set unit'' , I'm talking about the actual unit that you selling RIGHT NOW....

Ah -- sorry -- I misunderstood you.

With the current unit, pulsing the battery at the right rate should get you a steady stream of vapor. This tends to be somewhat more efficient, not less. Please understand that by "efficiency", I am referring to the capacity of the device to transfer the maximum amount of available volatiles from the load to the user (ie, tries to attain the minimum loss of volatiles due to overheating and/or condensation and ensure that all volatiles are extracted). For comparison, other notions of efficiency would include how much space or energy is required to make the unit work.

It is acknowledged that we need to publish vids with more descriptive directions.

It is also acknowledged (again) that this vape is not going to give you the same performance characteristics as units that have much higher thermal mass, and are therefore take much longer to startup. Similar could be said for the ratio of vape to air in the draw tube. Our unit works best with longer and more even draws -- definitely lower density than that obtained with a bag based system.

As for the other suggestions, please accept our thanks. We will be taking various of those aspects into account in consideration for our future product offerings.

-- Magic-Flight