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You know where there ain't asbestos? The beautiful Alborz Mountains of I-ran.
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JBone65

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There was no US intel that says Iran was building a nuke. Trump literally got dogwalked into war by Bibi, a lying scumbag who has been lying about this specific issue for over 30 years.


LOL. LMAO. According to US Intel, Iran gave up building a nuke in 2003. Because Khomeini believes nukes are immoral. But now, thanks to Trump, they might have one within days.


By the way God bless anyone who give Iran a nuke at this point! Instant peace in the Middle East!
A total of 125 aircraft including 31 tankers flew non-stop in both directions around the globe. Two giant armadas reminiscent of humans attacking Na'vi in Avatar 2.

King Trump is patting himself on the back as if he won the war. He expects Iran to give up all their missiles, but they said no and already slammed Israel again.

Iran's been preparing 20+ years and the missiles are spread out in underground bunkers.

With 92M people, Iran is the size of Alaska. Their parliament voted to close the straight today, and three carrier groups are headed there to keep it open, with oil flowing continuously.

Can a carrier group be overwhelmed with drones, missiles and hypersonic missiles at mack 15? The 40,000 military folks stationed at bases inside the straight. They're all targets.

I drilled oil/gas wells in Muslim countries on three continents. Americans used to be popular. Now we're as despised as the (possibly doomed) Israelis. Israel's already running outta ammo.

Netanyahu probably killed Israel and started WW3. We might see nuclear fireworks on two fronts.

Go Thunder!🏀

 
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florduh

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and started WW3.

Iran doesn't have missiles that can reach the UK let alone the US. They're all alone. They have no friends. Except for Yemen. I wish for everyone a friend like the Yemeni people🇾🇪❤️

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Xi and China are a bunch of cowards. They're content to allow the biggest State Sponsor of Terror on Earth and its proxy Israel to violate every post-war international norm. Because they're a bunch of "communists" who only care about making money. Pathetic 🇨🇳👎

Russia's not going to defend Iran. At most they'll smuggle Iran a nuke. Oh well. I guess America and American backed terrorist groups in the region will have to restrain themselves for once:shrug:

Anyway, tomorrow the United Nations should expel the United States and Israel. It wouldn't help anything but it's the bare minimum if we even want to bother still having a UN:shrug:

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JBone65

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Iran doesn't have missiles that can reach the UK let alone the US. They're all alone. They have no friends. Except for Yemen. I wish for everyone a friend like the Yemeni people🇾🇪❤️

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Xi and China are a bunch of cowards. They're content to allow the biggest State Sponsor of Terror on Earth and its proxy Israel to violate every post-war international norm. Because they're a bunch of "communists" who only care about making money. Pathetic 🇨🇳👎

Russia's not going to defend Iran. At most they'll smuggle Iran a nuke. Oh well. I guess America and American backed terrorist groups in the region will have to restrain themselves for once:shrug:

Anyway, tomorrow the United Nations should expel the United States and Israel. It wouldn't help anything but it's the bare minimum if we even want to bother still having a UN:shrug:

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Khomeini made it very clear, they are fine with war with the US and Israel for as long as it takes.

The distance between here and there is our distance to overcome, not theirs. We have huge assets and many people we can't really protect spread all around the Persian Gulf.

We didn't really do anything but piss them off with our Hi-Tech billion dollar one-and-done bombing raid, mostly just pissed them off and guaranteed problems to come.

When they close the straight of Hormuz, the fight begins in earnest. Those hypersonic missiles travel from Iran to Israel in 350 seconds. They flood the zone with 100+ regular drones and powerful missiles to tie-up and deplete defensive systems, then surprise with a few going mach 15, over 5 kilometers per second. Our bases and carrier groups are sitting ducks. Israel is defenseless against those. They were shocked to see these bad boys.


Not much we can do from here except use bigger round the world armadas with bigger bombs. Their conventional military hardware is immaterial and the army will mostly go underground or be in hiding when we fly overhead.

Trump thinks it's over and it's really just beginning. What will we do when a carrier or a base is badly damaged? Boots on the ground will be a fool's errand in Iran.

Gas prices could skyrocket over the next months. Our bond market could crash tomorrow or very soon, sending us straight into an economic collapse, i.e. a violent great depression.

Continued sale of Treasury bonds is required to continue borrowing to make payments on our $36T debt. That process was already problematic, due to the global "Sell America" campaign. There is a serious push to abandon the US dollar in favor of a BRICS Alliance currency, which already includes 41% of the world's GDP, due to Trump's crazy destructive trade war. China, Japan, the UK and others were already dumping instead of buying treasuries bonds, disrupting US government auctions. We feel insulated here, but we're extremely exposed financially.

Americans watch cool sound bytes on TV, and are mostly oblivious to what is coming. Our equipment, military personnel and civilians in the region are exposed. Iran is much tougher, bigger, better prepared, more unified, and much more determined than Iraq in 2003, and is already fully backed by two nuclear powers, Russia and Pakistan.

We're also totally exposed here in an economic sense. There won't be a recovery when the dollar finally crashes. The game will be over. No one needs to attack us in North America. We're in the process of jumping on our own "sword".

The high level view is that we've come to the end of the colonial empire period, that's us. As much as 70-80% of the world is lining up against us and ready for a change.

This is a Scottish interview of Colonel McGregor published 12 hrs ago. He tells it like it is, a colossal fuck up.

 
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florduh

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Khomeini made it very clear, they are fine with war with the US and Israel for as long as it takes.

The distance between here and there is our distance to overcome, not theirs. We have huge assets and many people we can't really protect spread all around the Persian Gulf.

We didn't really do anything but piss them off with our Hi-Tech billion dollar one-and-done bombing raid, mostly just pissed them off and guaranteed problems to come.

When they close the straight of Hormuz, the fight begins in earnest. Those hypersonic missiles travel from Iran to Israel in 350 seconds. They flood the zone with 100+ regular drones and powerful missiles to tie-up and deplete defensive systems, then surprise with a few going mach 15, over 5 kilometers per second. Our bases and carrier groups are sitting ducks. Israel is defenseless against those. They were shocked to see these bad boys.


Not much we can do from here except use bigger round the world armadas with bigger bombs. Their conventional military hardware is immaterial and the army will mostly go underground or be in hiding when we fly overhead.

Trump thinks it's over and it's really just beginning. What will we do when a carrier or a base is badly damaged? Boots on the ground will be a fool's errand in Iran.

Gas prices could skyrocket over the next months. Our bond market could crash tomorrow or very soon, sending us straight into an economic collapse, i.e. a violent great depression.

Continued sale of Treasury bonds is required to continue borrowing to make payments on our $36T debt. That process was already problematic, due to the global "Sell America" campaign. There is a serious push to abandon the US dollar in favor of a BRICS Alliance currency, which already includes 41% of the world's GDP, due to Trump's crazy destructive trade war. China, Japan, the UK and others were already dumping instead of buying treasuries bonds, disrupting US government auctions. We feel insulated here, but we're extremely exposed financially.

Americans watch cool sound bytes on TV, and are mostly oblivious to what is coming. Our equipment, military personnel and civilians in the region are exposed. Iran is much tougher, bigger, better prepared, more unified, and much more determined than Iraq in 2003, and is already fully backed by two nuclear powers, Russia and Pakistan.

We're also totally exposed here in an economic sense. There won't be a recovery when the dollar finally crashes. The game will be over. No one needs to attack us in North America. We're in the process of jumping on our own "sword".

The high level view is that we've come to the end of the colonial empire period, that's us. As much as 70-80% of the world is lining up against us and ready for a change.

This is a Scottish interview of Colonel McGregor published 12 hrs ago. He tells it like it is, a colossal fuck up.

That clip depressed the hell out of me because I can't find much wrong with the Colonel's thoughts. 😕
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Radwin Bodnic

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Analysis of Israel’s figures shows it murdered 377,000 Palestinians during genocide so far – half of them kids​


The official death toll in Gaza of just under60,000 so far was always clearly an under-estimate, because the Gaza health ministry only counts bodies recovered and brought to a hospital. Victims buried under rubble or blown apart with their few remains gathered into plastic bags are not included.

at least 377,000 – have disappeared from Gaza’s pre-genocide population of 2.227 million, reducing it to 1.85 million when measured for the study.
 

JBone65

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Iran, unlike the terrorist states of America and Israel, is trying to cool things down rather than escalate.

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That's what the pro-Israel media is saying. Iran apparently made a token attack in all three countries to either to show they're not joking around or to test defences. None of these were hypersonic. I predict the shit will hit the fan if/when Iran closes, or tries to close the straight. They could launch a much bigger load focused on one carrier, for instance. The US is firing at least two defensive missiles for every incoming missile. Supposedly the company making patriot missiles is only making 500/year. I worry about inventory. Israel is increasingly defenceless and 33% of the incoming missiles got thru in the attack this morning. Hopefully they won't simultaneously fire 10-20 hypersonic missiles at one of our carriers.
 
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florduh

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Hopefully they won't simultaneously fire 10-20 hypersonic missiles at one of our carriers

Yeah... that would be terrible:dog:

Keep in mind Yemen, the poorest nation on Earth, came within inches of sinking the USS Truman, twice. That's why a $60 million F-18 is at the bottom of the Mediterranean right now.

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Honestly one of these obsolete pieces of shit getting nuked would be good for America long term. We can finally set our foolish ambitions to make war with China aside. Within a day of war with China, every US carrier group in the Pacific will be at the bottom of the ocean.

 
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Bazinga

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I have absolutely no faith in this "analysis" by an institution ((Harvard) that is arguably antisemitic. I don't see how they would confidently derive at 377,000 or 400,000 deaths. Was it a group of students that came up with these numbers? Were they or the study biased?

I will say that even 1 death of a child is 1 too many.
 
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florduh

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I have absolutely no faith in this "analysis"

Bibi's Bitch seems to take those numbers seriously.

'1.7 million' Palestinians in Gaza? Trump's statement raises questions about death toll

What do you think happens when you carpet bomb every standing structure in an area as densely populated as Manhattan for a year and a half straight?

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Trigger warning: this is from an Israeli magazine and the author is a Jewish Israeli, but he does hurt Israel's feelings in this article which unfortunately means he's an antisemite:shrug:
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JBone65

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I have absolutely no faith in this "analysis" by an institution ((Harvard) that is arguably antisemitic. I don't see how they would confidently derive at 377,000 or 400,000 deaths. Was it a group of students that came up with these numbers? Were they or the study biased?

I will say that even 1 death of a child is 1 too many.
Not seeing any reporting on it, but I heard one reporter say in another clip that the IDF might have increased the systematic bad treatment (killing,starving, etc.) of trapped Palestinians in Gaza and elsewhere while everyone is focused on our developing war.
 
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Radwin Bodnic

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I have absolutely no faith in this "analysis" by an institution ((Harvard) that is arguably antisemitic.

Let's admit it now, you clearly have no faith in any institution saying something that doesn't stick with Israel propaganda.

You still don't understand this conflict isn't about Jews. It is about Israel and no, they're not the same thing. You're conflating antisemitism with antizionism. (Which is the absolute base of Zionism propaganda btw.)

I know you won't acknowledge any of this even when Florduh show you articles written by Israelis Jewish (that you probably don't read anyway...)

Seriously look at these buildings. Do you think every single corpse have been extracted from the rumble ? If any ?
Do you think every corpse remained in one piece ?

Blind Zionism = Islamophobia
 

florduh

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I know you won't acknowledge any of this even when Florduh show you articles written by Israelis Jewish (that you probably don't read anyway...)

By the way, that article is from over a year ago. I remember thinking then what a travesty it was that the world let this insanity go on for so long.

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Bazinga

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Let's admit it now, you clearly have no faith in any institution saying something that doesn't stick with Israel propaganda.

You still don't understand this conflict isn't about Jews. It is about Israel and no, they're not the same thing. You're conflating antisemitism with antizionism. (Which is the absolute base of Zionism propaganda btw.)

I know you won't acknowledge any of this even when Florduh show you articles written by Israelis Jewish (that you probably don't read anyway...)

Seriously look at these buildings. Do you think every single corpse have been extracted from the rumble ? If any ?
Do you think every corpse remained in one piece ?

Blind Zionism = Islamophobia
You are so wrong. I have faith in facts not misguided unfounded studies. Do you subscribe to any institution that portrays Israel as evil? When I was a doctoral student I read, participated, and debunked many studies. Flordah has provided excellent references, articles,etc. In fact I'm waiting for the local library to make available one of the books he recommended. Your reference to the destruction (horrifying as it is) as no bearing on the unsupported claim that 377,000 to 400,000 Gazans have lost their lives. If you can discern the amount of deaths by looking at photos then you certainly a much better researcher than I ever was.

If you would, please provide your definition of Zionism. Currently I'm not confident that you have a concise understanding of what it actually is.

Lastly Flordah has presented many examples of what he feels is pertinent to the discussion. I disagree with him in many areas. Not once has he stated that I (me) don't have faith, I don't understand, conflating, etc. Learn how to debate without making unfounded criticism and assumptions about your fellow debaters.

At the end of the day I (and you) have absolutely no idea how many innocents have perished. No matter the number it's too many.

Peace.

This article states that over 56,000 have lost there lives. Another resource says 377,000 to 400,000. Does anyone really have an accurate assessment. At this time, during an active conflict, I think not. Either way too many have died.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Mr. Bodnic - what is your definition of a Zionist?
 
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florduh

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Man, I watched every episode of The Colbert Report. Haven't watched his new, very unfunny show. But it's still sad to discover Stephen Colbert is a nasty, racist piece of shit.


God Bless Brad Lander, who uses his Jewish identity to help shield his Muslim friend Zohran from dishonest, disgusting, racist attacks from pieces of shit like Stephen Colbert.

Does anyone really have an accurate assessment.

I already posted an article that discusses this. The ~60,000 number are only the number of bodies that have been positively identified and matched to a name on the resident registry. Not the total number of combat deaths. Nor the total number of excess deaths due to the conflict. No serious person believes only 60,000 have died.

IMO, the biggest reason Israel is continuing this "war", even though it is likely signing Israel's future death warrant, is to prevent independent international aid agencies from entering the strip and giving the world an accurate assessment of the death and destruction.
 

JBone65

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This article states that over 56,000 have lost there lives. Another resource says 377,000 to 400,000. Does anyone really have an accurate assessment. At this time, during an active conflict, I think not. Either way too many have died.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Mr. Bodnic - what is your definition of a Zionist?
IMO exactly how many have been killed seems like a side issue and somewhat irrelevant since it's clear Netanyahu still plans to get rid of 2M Palestinians, one way or another. Gaza is blocking the view and and preventing development of a huge, tract of Mediterranean beach property. No one should be expected to stomach the ruthless murder of defenseless women, children and old people. Netanyahu scuttled the negotiations and then used the hostages as justification to raze more buildings. I accepted them as God's chosen people, now it's clear they're not. No one is suggesting persecution or prosecution, only to stop all support. I always wondered what Revelations 2.9 and 3.9 meant, now I know with certainty.

((Side confession: I'm a spiritual person, and I enjoy learning about all religions, but not a practicing Christian. Although many good folks are Christians, I'm thinking Christianity has failed us throughout history. Too many bad things have been deemed acceptable IMO. Interestingly, the Ethiopian Bible is the most intact original Bible, and it's old testament might be the source for a lot of the Hebrew Bible. In fact they might be the original Jews, the lost tribe of Judah, uncolonized and conquered for at least 1600 years, probably closer to 1800 or 1900 years. The star of David is their national symbol and is on their flag.))

It's prolly too late, but I'm in favor of regime change......here and in israel. Trump and the GOP have sold their souls and proven to be just as bad. The man at the top needs to be shown the door, and a legislature cleansing is needed as well.

Sorry. Just my $0.02 worth. I need to get a soap box and stand on the street corner.
 
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Radwin Bodnic

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Do you subscribe to any institution that portrays Israel as evil?
Israel leaders are the contemporary definition of evil.

If you would, please provide your definition of Zionism. Currently I'm not confident that you have a concise understanding of what it actually is.
That is not the first time that you assume I'm not understanding what I'm talking about. But hey, we all have our weaknesses, as an example you clearly don't understand the words ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide.

My definition is the following :
Literally the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article on Zionism :
Zionism[a] is an ethnocultural nationalisthttps://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/Zionism#cite_note-3movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe to establish and maintain a Jewish homeland through the colonization of Palestine,[2] a region corresponding to the Land of Israel in Judaism[3] and central to Jewish history. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.[4]

Let me highlight for you the key words here :
Ethnocultural Nationalist movement
Colonisation of Palestine
As few Palestinian Arabs as possible


This paragraphs alone highlights the apartheid nature of Zionism as well as the goals : the colonization and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

If you don't agree with this then I maintain my earlier statement : blind Zionism = Islamophobia

edit : and I'll add that all antisemites are Zionists.
 
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Bazinga

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Israel leaders are the contemporary definition of evil.


That is not the first time that you assume I'm not understanding what I'm talking about. But hey, we all have our weaknesses, as an example you clearly don't understand the words ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide.

My definition is the following :
Literally the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article on Zionism :


Let me highlight for you the key words here :
Ethnocultural Nationalist movement
Colonisation of Palestine
As few Palestinian Arabs as possible


This paragraphs alone highlights the apartheid nature of Zionism as well as the goals : the colonization and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

If you don't agree with this then I maintain my earlier statement : blind Zionism = Islamophobia

edit : and I'll add that all antisemites are Zionists.
Astonishing that you blindly accept the 1st article you read, and paragraph no less, one furnished by Wikipedia. Read more, please.
BTW - may I assume that you favor a homeland for the Jews? Most would agree that after WW2 and after experience antisemitism by many cultures and countries that Jews needed a safe and secure land to live, survive, and prosper. This is Zionism. Sure, there are some radical Zionists that are distasteful to say the least. Zionism equals a place where Jews can live in peace.

Israel apartheid? Do your homework as I won't do it for you. You'll find that over 2 million Arabs live in and are citizens in Israel. If memory serves me (I'm old) there are over 400 Mosques in Israel. Arabs fight in the Israel army. The are about 400 churches in Israel. This is aparteid ?How many synagogues can you find in neighboring Arab countries? We'll, how many? I guess you forgot that Israel removed all Israelis/Jews from Gaza in 2005. They even removed the buried Israelis from the cemetaries.

I have to say that it seems the Gazans are getting are being treated miserably by both Israel and Hamas. My heart goes out to all the innocent victims.
If you don't believe that the Jews deserve a homeland far away from the antisemitism that they have been forced to endure for thousands of years than you could be considered an antisemitic. I sincerely hope this is not the case.

Oh I forgot to ask you. I don't understand your statement that all antisemites are Zionists. I'm not being cynical. I simply don't understand what you attempting to say. Thanks.
 
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Radwin Bodnic

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Oh I forgot to ask you. I don't understand your statement that all antisemites are Zionists. I'm not being cynical. I simply don't understand what you attempting to say. Thanks.
Do your homework. This is well known history.
Before i'm done with you, may I suggest a new avatar ?
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Bazinga

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Do your homework. This is well known history.
Before i'm done with you, may I suggest a new avatar ?
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Thanks but no thanks. I was, and still am, a big fan of the Big Bang Theory😀. This avatar is actually pretty good. It made me smile.

I still need your help in understanding your aforementioned statement. Kindly educate me as I truly don't understand what it means. Well known history? Kindly elaborate.
 
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florduh

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Jews needed a safe and secure land to live, survive, and prosper.

You’re describing Miami, not Israel. Israelis were dying in missile attacks this morning. The humidity in Miami is horrible, but it won’t kill you.

That’s the dumbest thing about Israel. Set aside the Palestinians, it’s a failure for Jews too. Both in Israel and the diaspora.
 
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