Discontinued Inhalater XP

[SirDarkened]

If nothing has been as good as the Q2 model why did they stop making it...

 

[Snake Plissken]

2clicker - how do you get a refund? I tried like hell and instead got a delayed replacement and mine was pouring smoke out of the usb! While I understand you not wanting to undermine, I wish there were more reviews like yours when I was making the decision to get a q3.

sir - supposedly they weren't keeping track of what they were doing when they produced the q2 and don't know how to replicate it. For a minute, they accidentally made a great vape.

None of the reasons I chose this vape came to fruition. I remember the early vids ; 'velvety, rich, thick clouds no matter how you hit it'. I, like 2clicker, really wanted more of a convection vape (as advertised). When asked, inh had said that would not change that feature w/ their different versions. If it was a lot cheaper, I wouldn't feel as bad - but at this pricepoint, I had expectations.

 

[hiphiphooray]

2clicker - how do you get a refund? I tried like hell and instead got a delayed replacement and mine was pouring smoke out of the usb! While I understand you not wanting to undermine, I wish there were more reviews like yours when I was making the decision to get a q3.

sir - supposedly they weren't keeping track of what they were doing when they produced the q2 and don't know how to replicate it. For a minute, they accidentally made a great vape.

None of the reasons I chose this vape came to fruition. I remember the early vids ; 'velvety, rich, thick clouds no matter how you hit it'. I, like 2clicker, really wanted more of a convection vape (as advertised). When asked, inh had said that would not change that feature w/ their different versions. If it was a lot cheaper, I wouldn't feel as bad - but at this pricepoint, I had expectations.

Yup. Although, I would argue that the Q3 is still a pretty good vape. Mine functions well, gives off pretty thick hits and extracts wonderfully. The only downside is the taste and how hot the vapor is.

But the new Q4 XPs are getting bad reviews left and right. I don't think current inh XP's are really worth 250, maybe 150? But id easily pay 300 for a flawless Q2 unit.

 

[2clicker]

If nothing has been as good as the Q2 model why did they stop making it...

inquiring minds want to know

2clicker - how do you get a refund?

well its not a true refund. im getting store credit from the retailer i bought it from.

 

[PAZ]

As I have stated many times in the past the XP has evolved to be a full conduction vape and yesterday's test was the final proof for me. You need to grind fine with this babe to perform at it's peak and you need to draw slow. And I mean really slow. MFLB slow! Why have you done that @Inhalater ? I am sure it was the easy way round the problems the original INH had but you stated in the past that your goal was to make the best portable vaporizer… Making the XP just another conduction vape was not the way to accomplish such a goal imho. Twas as slow as the

The ABV I got was super extracted nevertheless and was a very very uniform and dark chocolate brown. Taste was ok-ish to the end. That is the only improvement I see over the original XP as there are no hot spots in the heating chamber anymore from that old heating coil.

I'm a bit confused by your post. I'm not doubting your experience, but I'm just wondering how you think it's a full conduction vape, yet you get very uniform ABV without stirring.

 

[mmenzie]

I'm a bit confused by your post. I'm not doubting your experience, but I'm just wondering how you think it's a full conduction vape, yet you get very uniform ABV without stirring.

i have an ascent that is full conduction and i get very even ABV and i never stir and on the flip side.... i have a DBV which is convection and i HAVE to stir to get even ABV... so i am not sure i understand how you feel the stirring has anything to do with conduction/convection??

 

[Vitolo]

But the new Q4 XPs are getting bad reviews left and right.

While I liked my INH400 best of all, I have not had any issue yet with my Q4.
It seems to charge faster than the INH400 did.
I sure hope I don't develop any issues!

....I'm just wondering how you think it's a full conduction vape, yet you get very uniform ABV without stirring.

I have to stir my SSV (hand held) to evenly brown my ABV .. that is pure convection, but
I do not need to stir loads from Herbalizer, or Volcano... those are pure convection.
(I wont waste time going through my list of vapes to find other examples of convection that works without a stir)

 

[Snake Plissken]

I'm a bit confused by your post. I'm not doubting your experience, but I'm just wondering how you think it's a full conduction vape, yet you get very uniform ABV without stirring.

I can't answer for natural, but I consider this a conduction vape as well. Mostly due to the amount of time usually needed to let the bowl cook to get a hit after initial warmup. The placement of the air intake holes, which is above the oven. The very short air path. The fact that the air is not warmed before contacting the material. Take a look at the minivap, a true convection vape, and the differences seem obvious to me. A true convection vape should hit on demand and not cook when not inhaling. All vapes have some sort of air intake, that doesn't make them all convection imo. To be fair, inh doesn't say it is a total convection vape, but they have said it is 'mostly' convection.

 

[PAZ]

i have an ascent that is full conduction and i get very even ABV and i never stir and on the flip side.... i have a DBV which is convection and i HAVE to stir to get even ABV... so i am not sure i understand how you feel the stirring has anything to do with conduction/convection??

Conduction requires the material to be touching the heating area, so if the unit was pure conduction stirring would be required to get even ABV. I understand that there most likely is conduction going on, but for the ABV to be uniform some convection would have to be going on as well IMO.

I can't answer for natural, but I consider this a conduction vape as well. Mostly due to the amount of time usually needed to let the bowl cook to get a hit after initial warmup. The placement of the air intake holes, which is above the oven. The very short air path. The fact that the air is not warmed before contacting the material. Take a look at the minivap, a true convection vape, and the differences seem obvious to me. A true convection vape should hit on demand and not cook when not inhaling. All vapes have some sort of air intake, that doesn't make them all convection imo. To be fair, inh doesn't say it is a total convection vape, but they have said it is 'mostly' convection.

I'm not arguing that it's a 100% convection vape, I just don't agree that it's a pure conduction vape like Natural says and theres more convection than conduction going on.

 

[mmenzie]

Conduction requires the material to be touching the heating area, so if the unit was pure conduction stirring would be required to get even ABV. I understand that there most likely is conduction going on, but for the ABV to be uniform some convection would have to be going on as well IMO..

well i pointed out an example of Conduction not needing stiring and an example of convection that does need stirring, and uncle @Vitolo pointed out some examples as well. so i don't think, IMO, stirring has anything to do whether a vape is conduction or convection

 

[Vitolo]

Conduction requires the material to be touching the heating area, so if the unit was pure conduction stirring would be required to get even ABV.

Not a fact.
Pax and Indica are both 100% conduction.
No stir...
No opening to even take a peek.
ABV comes out dark brown.. perfectly even... every time.

 

[CentiZen]

Conduction requires the material to be touching the heating area, so if the unit was pure conduction stirring would be required to get even ABV. I understand that there most likely is conduction going on, but for the ABV to be uniform some convection would have to be going on as well IMO.

I'm not arguing that it's a 100% convection vape, I just don't agree that it's a pure conduction vape like Natural says and theres more convection than conduction going on.

Here are some pictures of the Indica's heating system. The stainless steel oven is wrapped in a polyimide film that has flat kanthal wire fed through it. All in all it is very clean and efficient design, and what your looking at here is usually wrapped in several layers of insulation and more polimide tape to keep it tight.

http://i.imgur.com/03RPyLb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5XKSuMG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pUyLNxK.jpg

There is really no convection effect produced by this heater at all. All of the generated heat goes right into the walls of the oven, where it is transferred via conduction to the herb. The Indica does not require stirring though, though a combination of sophisticated temperature control and well designed oven shape that ensures the conduction effect is spread as evenly as possible through the load.

Now were pretty off topic to the thread, so perhaps we can continue any Indica related discussion in their thread.

 

[hiphiphooray]

To be fair, inh doesn't say it is a total convection vape, but they have said it is 'mostly' convection.

Imo, it once was mostly convection. Back in the good ol' days of Q2 vapes. That is until they broke hahaha.

When u have members like 2clicker and natural farmer turning against the inhalater they once praised, it shows something went wrong.

 

[Sonics420]

Imo, it once was mostly convection. Back in the good ol' days of Q2 vapes. That is until they broke hahaha.

When u have members like 2clicker and natural farmer turning against the inhalater they once praised, it shows something went wrong.

I was first to point out the differences between Q2 and other releases
I just knew something was up and I didnt have the same product that I initially bought, hell even the first XP I got was great.
Im going for another round as I just sent the Q3 in a week ago, Im not even worried about Q2 anymore I seriously just want a vape that won't break on me at this point

 

[hiphiphooray]

I was first to point out the differences between Q2 and other releases
I just knew something was up and I didnt have the same product that I initially bought, hell even the first XP I got was great.
Im going for another round as I just sent the Q3 in a week ago, Im not even worried about Q2 anymore I seriously just want a vape that won't break on me at this point

Q3 replacements aren't bad. I like mine. tbh, id put its value around 200-250. Id easily pay 300 for a working Q2 though.

Then we get to Q4 and it seems like we aren't even looking at a 150$ vape.

I mean users like vitolo are still happy, but i can't go as far to say the inh xp is the best all around anymore.

 

[vaplen]

I'm going insane waiting for this replacement. Checking my emails every other hour for like 2 weeks to see if a package was received.

Really hope they used the return address on the package. Cause I didn't give them any address.

EDIT: got an update that I will receive it tomorrow, finally

 

[WildChild]

I finally got to test my bro's brand new replacement XP yesterday night after months and months of delayed and miss-addressed shipments of replacements after replacements…

I wil agree with the rest that the new LEDs are only good for night-light or a torch-light. Ridiculously bright... Stealthiness is out of the picture!

As I have stated many times in the past the XP has evolved to be a full conduction vape and yesterday's test was the final proof for me. You need to grind fine with this babe to perform at it's peak and you need to draw slow. And I mean really slow. MFLB slow! Why have you done that @Inhalater ? I am sure it was the easy way round the problems the original INH had but you stated in the past that your goal was to make the best portable vaporizer… Making the XP just another conduction vape was not the way to accomplish such a goal imho. The Grasshopper guys figured it out pretty soon. Convection is the way to go.

Anyway, I had to grind pretty fine to get some good hits going. Simply putting a couple of small nugs in the capsule only gave me wispy wispy hits and nearly no effects. An almost full capsule of finely grinded herbs though gave me 13 milky hits in my 250ml straight tube with an ok-ish taste for a conduction vaporizer (PAX has much worst taste imo)… It took a great effort though to milk that small tube, trying not to overpower the heater. The vapor was rising so slow towards my mouth that drove me crazy. It was as slow as the MFLB was . My Lotus pumps out vapor like a turbine compared to the XP and hits are much stronger and smoother! The vapor of the XP was very harsh and my throat paid the price. Trying to dry hit with just the capsule was almost impossible after some time. That mouthpiece burns like hell and vapor was so so harsh and hot! The ABV I got was super extracted nevertheless and was a very very uniform and dark chocolate brown. Taste was ok-ish to the end. That is the only improvement I see over the original XP as there are no hot spots in the heating chamber anymore from that old heating coil.

It was an overall cumbersome experience, unlike the ones I am used to have those last months but I can still see a small market for the XP. At a lower price maybe… The Firefly is probably a much more sensible choice for newbies and experienced users alike! In the year 2014 I would find it very hard to invest in a conduction vaporizer indeed. My bro likes it though… He likes small PAX like sips of thick overcooked vapor… To each his own…

My advice to fellow FCers would be to stay clear of this old fella and move on to newer and more efficient designs. The future is already here!

Sorry @Inhalater, but I am not convinced. I will stay clear of the thread in order not to undermine any efforts you make from now on. I hope you come out with something more akin to my tastes in the future. I would still give you my money if you do… Over and out!

Very well stated, @natural farmer. Respectful, but to the point. As a Canadian, I was really hoping these guys would shine. Hope they get their act together and make it up to all those who showed endless faith in them. It's all about your Customer.

I'll be in Montreal in two weeks. Perhaps I will pay a little visit just for fun, if I can.

 

[Old School]

I finally got to test my bro's brand new replacement XP yesterday night after months and months of delayed and miss-addressed shipments of replacements after replacements…

I wil agree with the rest that the new LEDs are only good for night-light or a torch-light. Ridiculously bright... Stealthiness is out of the picture!

a tiny dab of black nail polish took care of that issue for me......perfect....

As I have stated many times in the past the XP has evolved to be a full conduction vape and yesterday's test was the final proof for me. You need to grind fine with this babe to perform at it's peak and you need to draw slow. And I mean really slow. MFLB slow! Why have you done that @Inhalater ? I am sure it was the easy way round the problems the original INH had but you stated in the past that your goal was to make the best portable vaporizer… Making the XP just another conduction vape was not the way to accomplish such a goal imho. The Grasshopper guys figured it out pretty soon. Convection is the way to go.

I'm intrigued by your comment about the INH original problems... it was over a year ago that I read the entire thread....I recall switch issues some cap complaints...perhaps your referring to the heating coil be flattened and sealed in Polyimide....I wonder if users also noticed or complained that it seemed as though some of the convection had been sacrificed in doing so....

Anyway, I had to grind pretty fine to get some good hits going. Simply putting a couple of small nugs in the capsule only gave me wispy wispy hits and nearly no effects. An almost full capsule of finely grinded herbs though gave me 13 milky hits in my 250ml straight tube with an ok-ish taste for a conduction vaporizer (PAX has much worst taste imo)… It took a great effort though to milk that small tube, trying not to overpower the heater. The vapor was rising so slow towards my mouth that drove me crazy. It was as slow as the MFLB was . My Lotus pumps out vapor like a turbine compared to the XP and hits are much stronger and smoother! The vapor of the XP was very harsh and my throat paid the price. Trying to dry hit with just the capsule was almost impossible after some time. That mouthpiece burns like hell and vapor was so so harsh and hot! The ABV I got was super extracted nevertheless and was a very very uniform and dark chocolate brown. Taste was ok-ish to the end. That is the only improvement I see over the original XP as there are no hot spots in the heating chamber anymore from that old heating coil.

It was an overall cumbersome experience, unlike the ones I am used to have those last months but I can still see a small market for the XP. At a lower price maybe… The Firefly is probably a much more sensible choice for newbies and experienced users alike! In the year 2014 I would find it very hard to invest in a conduction vaporizer indeed. My bro likes it though… He likes small PAX like sips of thick overcooked vapor… To each his own…

My advice to fellow FCers would be to stay clear of this old fella and move on to newer and more efficient designs. The future is already here!

Sorry @Inhalater, but I am not convinced. I will stay clear of the thread in order not to undermine any efforts you make from now on. I hope you come out with something more akin to my tastes in the future. I would still give you my money if you do… Over and out!

Pretty much spot on with my personal assessment.....really like the slow draw comment..... I hand it to a newbie and tell them to draw as slow as you can possibly stand to....and your small sips of thick over cooked vapor....well put......can't let her sit too long or else.....Yuk...

. Mostly due to the amount of time usually needed to let the bowl cook to get a hit after initial warmup. The placement of the air intake holes, which is above the oven. The very short air path. The fact that the air is not warmed before contacting the material. Take a look at the minivap, a true convection vape, and the differences seem obvious to me. A true convection vape should hit on demand and not cook when not inhaling. All vapes have some sort of air intake, that doesn't make them all convection imo. To be fair, inh doesn't say it is a total convection vape, but they have said it is 'mostly' convection.

I also agree that the current configuration has swung the vote over to more conduction type experience however I feel I must point out a few things that your not seeing.....
1. the location of the holes is misleading...
2. The air path is not short at all...
3. air is in fact warmed beforehand...
The holes we see allow air into a chamber {the outside of the white sleeve} air then has to ravel towards the mouthpiece end where there are 4 other small holes allowing it to then enter the inside of the white sleeve, which is where the heat chamber lives.....so now the air has to pass over the heater itself to make its way back to the top of the capsule.......so you see the air is heated quite a lot actually and the path is long as it is basically folded or zig-zaged back and forth before it makes contact with the material.....

I feel it extremely NOTE worthy that the design itself has not changed here at all.....and hardware has been also functionally unchanged {speaking wrt the XP}...... It is because of these 2 glaring facts... I am convinced this issue {lesser performer} has been introduced via software.....
I believe it was their pursuance of a tighter controlled heat chamber {perhaps in an effort to reduce hot spot} they inadvertently lost.....something.....
I'm convinced it built the same...in fact better quality build IMHO..... but the config....the brains...defining how it shall behave....is where our issue lies......

While I understand you not wanting to undermine, I wish there were more reviews like yours when I was making the decision to get a q3.

sir - supposedly they weren't keeping track of what they were doing when they produced the q2 and don't know how to replicate it. For a minute, they accidentally made a great vape.

None of the reasons I chose this vape came to fruition. I remember the early vids ; 'velvety, rich, thick clouds no matter how you hit it'. I, like 2clicker, really wanted more of a convection vape (as advertised). When asked, inh had said that would not change that feature w/ their different versions. If it was a lot cheaper, I wouldn't feel as bad - but at this pricepoint, I had expectations.

I was given a similar excuse about lack of documentation as they were evolving the product....oops.
I have written many many emails on this particular topic to them so it would appear it.... whatever it was has been lost......the inability to go back to realize and/or identify what has happened is quite possibly my single most troubling concern while looking forward to the INH05.....the overall basic design will be the same however they are making what they feel should be improvements....and thats where it gets a bit sticky icky.....they felt very strongly and I think still do....that each version has been an improvement......so focused on the differing little pictures and functions they somehow missed the "big picture"....the performance & experience took a step backwards during this improvement process....

I also hope that they hear our pleas and can spend some effort trying to identify what was lost.....

i am looking for a portable flower vape that i can sip on or that i can chalk tubes w/ zero effort. my XP did this. i on the other hand want a "one hitter" AND a "face melter" all in one unit. this to me is the "best" portable.

Me too.....

 

[2clicker]

a tiny dab of black nail polish took care of that issue for me......perfect....

I'm intrigued by your comment about the INH original problems... it was over a year ago that I read the entire thread....I recall switch issues some cap complaints...perhaps your referring to the heating coil be flattened and sealed in Polyimide....I wonder if users also noticed or complained that it seemed as though some of the convection had been sacrificed in doing so....

Pretty much spot on with my personal assessment.....really like the slow draw comment..... I hand it to a newbie and tell them to draw as slow as you can possibly stand to....and your small sips of thick over cooked vapor....well put......can't let her sit too long or else.....Yuk...

I also agree that the current configuration has swung the vote over to more conduction type experience however I feel I must point out a few things that your not seeing.....
1. the location of the holes is misleading...
2. The air path is not short at all...
3. air is in fact warmed beforehand...
The holes we see allow air into a chamber {the outside of the white sleeve} air then has to ravel towards the mouthpiece end where there are 4 other small holes allowing it to then enter the inside of the white sleeve, which is where the heat chamber lives.....so now the air has to pass over the heater itself to make its way back to the top of the capsule.......so you see the air is heated quite a lot actually and the path is long as it is basically folded or zig-zaged back and forth before it makes contact with the material.....

I feel it extremely NOTE worthy that the design itself has not changed here at all.....and hardware has been also functionally unchanged {speaking wrt the XP}...... It is because of these 2 glaring facts... I am convinced this issue {lesser performer} has been introduced via software.....
I believe it was their pursuance of a tighter controlled heat chamber {perhaps in an effort to reduce hot spot} they inadvertently lost.....something.....
I'm convinced it built the same...in fact better quality build IMHO..... but the config....the brains...defining how it shall behave....is where our issue lies......


I was given a similar excuse about lack of documentation as they were evolving the product....oops.
I have written many many emails on this particular topic to them so it would appear it.... whatever it was has been lost......the inability to go back to realize and/or identify what has happened is quite possibly my single most troubling concern while looking forward to the INH05.....the overall basic design will be the same however they are making what they feel should be improvements....and thats where it gets a bit sticky icky.....they felt very strongly and I think still do....that each version has been an improvement......so focused on the differing little pictures and functions they somehow missed the "big picture"....the performance & experience took a step backwards during this improvement process....

I also hope that they hear our pleas and can spend some effort trying to identify what was lost.....



Me too.....

spot on

 

[vaplen]

a tiny dab of black nail polish took care of that issue for me......perfect....

I'm intrigued by your comment about the INH original problems... it was over a year ago that I read the entire thread....I recall switch issues some cap complaints...perhaps your referring to the heating coil be flattened and sealed in Polyimide....I wonder if users also noticed or complained that it seemed as though some of the convection had been sacrificed in doing so....

Pretty much spot on with my personal assessment.....really like the slow draw comment..... I hand it to a newbie and tell them to draw as slow as you can possibly stand to....and your small sips of thick over cooked vapor....well put......can't let her sit too long or else.....Yuk...

I also agree that the current configuration has swung the vote over to more conduction type experience however I feel I must point out a few things that your not seeing.....
1. the location of the holes is misleading...
2. The air path is not short at all...
3. air is in fact warmed beforehand...
The holes we see allow air into a chamber {the outside of the white sleeve} air then has to ravel towards the mouthpiece end where there are 4 other small holes allowing it to then enter the inside of the white sleeve, which is where the heat chamber lives.....so now the air has to pass over the heater itself to make its way back to the top of the capsule.......so you see the air is heated quite a lot actually and the path is long as it is basically folded or zig-zaged back and forth before it makes contact with the material.....

I feel it extremely NOTE worthy that the design itself has not changed here at all.....and hardware has been also functionally unchanged {speaking wrt the XP}...... It is because of these 2 glaring facts... I am convinced this issue {lesser performer} has been introduced via software.....
I believe it was their pursuance of a tighter controlled heat chamber {perhaps in an effort to reduce hot spot} they inadvertently lost.....something.....
I'm convinced it built the same...in fact better quality build IMHO..... but the config....the brains...defining how it shall behave....is where our issue lies......


I was given a similar excuse about lack of documentation as they were evolving the product....oops.
I have written many many emails on this particular topic to them so it would appear it.... whatever it was has been lost......the inability to go back to realize and/or identify what has happened is quite possibly my single most troubling concern while looking forward to the INH05.....the overall basic design will be the same however they are making what they feel should be improvements....and thats where it gets a bit sticky icky.....they felt very strongly and I think still do....that each version has been an improvement......so focused on the differing little pictures and functions they somehow missed the "big picture"....the performance & experience took a step backwards during this improvement process....

I also hope that they hear our pleas and can spend some effort trying to identify what was lost.....



Me too.....

hey @Old School, mind posting a picture of the LED after you added the nail polish (both off and on preferably)? Curious to see if it still looks good. Seems like a good idea.

 

[Kaptan]

a tiny dab of black nail polish took care of that issue for me......perfect....

I'm intrigued by your comment about the INH original problems... it was over a year ago that I read the entire thread....I recall switch issues some cap complaints...perhaps your referring to the heating coil be flattened and sealed in Polyimide....I wonder if users also noticed or complained that it seemed as though some of the convection had been sacrificed in doing so....

Pretty much spot on with my personal assessment.....really like the slow draw comment..... I hand it to a newbie and tell them to draw as slow as you can possibly stand to....and your small sips of thick over cooked vapor....well put......can't let her sit too long or else.....Yuk...

I also agree that the current configuration has swung the vote over to more conduction type experience however I feel I must point out a few things that your not seeing.....
1. the location of the holes is misleading...
2. The air path is not short at all...
3. air is in fact warmed beforehand...
The holes we see allow air into a chamber {the outside of the white sleeve} air then has to ravel towards the mouthpiece end where there are 4 other small holes allowing it to then enter the inside of the white sleeve, which is where the heat chamber lives.....so now the air has to pass over the heater itself to make its way back to the top of the capsule.......so you see the air is heated quite a lot actually and the path is long as it is basically folded or zig-zaged back and forth before it makes contact with the material.....

I feel it extremely NOTE worthy that the design itself has not changed here at all.....and hardware has been also functionally unchanged {speaking wrt the XP}...... It is because of these 2 glaring facts... I am convinced this issue {lesser performer} has been introduced via software.....
I believe it was their pursuance of a tighter controlled heat chamber {perhaps in an effort to reduce hot spot} they inadvertently lost.....something.....
I'm convinced it built the same...in fact better quality build IMHO..... but the config....the brains...defining how it shall behave....is where our issue lies......


I was given a similar excuse about lack of documentation as they were evolving the product....oops.
I have written many many emails on this particular topic to them so it would appear it.... whatever it was has been lost......the inability to go back to realize and/or identify what has happened is quite possibly my single most troubling concern while looking forward to the INH05.....the overall basic design will be the same however they are making what they feel should be improvements....and thats where it gets a bit sticky icky.....they felt very strongly and I think still do....that each version has been an improvement......so focused on the differing little pictures and functions they somehow missed the "big picture"....the performance & experience took a step backwards during this improvement process....

I also hope that they hear our pleas and can spend some effort trying to identify what was lost.....



Me too.....

Actually, you are incorrect regarding where the heat is coming from. The white you see at the bottom of the chamber is not heated. The only place being heated is the polyimide that surrounds the capsule.

 

[Snake Plissken]

a tiny dab of black nail polish took care of that issue for me......perfect....

I'm intrigued by your comment about the INH original problems... it was over a year ago that I read the entire thread....I recall switch issues some cap complaints...perhaps your referring to the heating coil be flattened and sealed in Polyimide....I wonder if users also noticed or complained that it seemed as though some of the convection had been sacrificed in doing so....

Pretty much spot on with my personal assessment.....really like the slow draw comment..... I hand it to a newbie and tell them to draw as slow as you can possibly stand to....and your small sips of thick over cooked vapor....well put......can't let her sit too long or else.....Yuk...

I also agree that the current configuration has swung the vote over to more conduction type experience however I feel I must point out a few things that your not seeing.....
1. the location of the holes is misleading...
2. The air path is not short at all...
3. air is in fact warmed beforehand...
The holes we see allow air into a chamber {the outside of the white sleeve} air then has to ravel towards the mouthpiece end where there are 4 other small holes allowing it to then enter the inside of the white sleeve, which is where the heat chamber lives.....so now the air has to pass over the heater itself to make its way back to the top of the capsule.......so you see the air is heated quite a lot actually and the path is long as it is basically folded or zig-zaged back and forth before it makes contact with the material.....

I feel it extremely NOTE worthy that the design itself has not changed here at all.....and hardware has been also functionally unchanged {speaking wrt the XP}...... It is because of these 2 glaring facts... I am convinced this issue {lesser performer} has been introduced via software.....
I believe it was their pursuance of a tighter controlled heat chamber {perhaps in an effort to reduce hot spot} they inadvertently lost.....something.....
I'm convinced it built the same...in fact better quality build IMHO..... but the config....the brains...defining how it shall behave....is where our issue lies......


I was given a similar excuse about lack of documentation as they were evolving the product....oops.
I have written many many emails on this particular topic to them so it would appear it.... whatever it was has been lost......the inability to go back to realize and/or identify what has happened is quite possibly my single most troubling concern while looking forward to the INH05.....the overall basic design will be the same however they are making what they feel should be improvements....and thats where it gets a bit sticky icky.....they felt very strongly and I think still do....that each version has been an improvement......so focused on the differing little pictures and functions they somehow missed the "big picture"....the performance & experience took a step backwards during this improvement process....

I also hope that they hear our pleas and can spend some effort trying to identify what was lost.....



Me too.....

It's early and I can't find a flashlight. Wish I could shine the xp's light down it's own hole. While you probably explained the location of the holes pretty well, I'm feeling a little thick. Where are the 4 holes allowing air into the inner chamber located? Are you saying the top (mouthpiece end) of the chamber? So then air is brought back down on the inside of the chamber and up through the capsule? That would explain why capping the top where there was a definite air leak improves performance.

 

[vaplen]

Received my unit and all seems to be well but only time will tell. @Inhalater had great communication with me through these forums and private messages. Wished it could have been a couple days sooner but they did send me my unit back quickly considering it went to Canada. Entire replacement process took 3 weeks and was from February 4th-till today.

They also included a brand new cap and three different aero capsules each 1-3 holes in it. Took a little long but luckily had a wispr to fall back on for a while. Thanks Greg

I also tried covering the holes after heating the unit to 6, taking a couple draws, and bringing it back to 3.5 and covering the holes(if the light started blinking I would cover both holes, while inhaling slow and wait for it to go solid, then I uncovered ONE of the holes and got very good vapor while continuing to inhale). It made for smoother and longer lasting flavor. Of course I heated the unit up gradually throughout using it. It stopped tasting good around 8 which I feel is very good. It is definitely convection/conduction heating. I don't know the exact ratio but I find it much smoother than just conduction (wispr). I am very happy with my unit so far.

@Inhalater For the inh 5 I have some suggestions. Definitely consider something with the airholes (maybe involving the method I used?) [Especially since you are gonna be increasing the airflow with the aero capsules (haven't tried mine yet)]. Also I find that the device rolls very easily and that scares me because it makes it much easier for it to fall off a desk or something. Maybe have the structure of the device change to a squarish-flatish shape, but with rounded edges to make it comfortable to hold. Also maybe making the LED a little more stealthy as it is pretty bright (but I don't mind ).

EDIT: Is it normal for the device to heat up while on the charger? It heated up for a couple seconds and the light went solid. It keeps coming on an off. I took a couple draws and it doesn't seem to be very hot but still I don't think it should do that charging. Using my phone charger it seems like the device charges regularly. I feel the charging cable that was provided with the unit gives too much power, but I may be wrong.

 

[Old School]

Actually, you are incorrect regarding where the heat is coming from. The white you see at the bottom of the chamber is not heated. The only place being heated is the polyimide that surrounds the capsule.

Not to start a back and forth here....although your statement about the white that we see at the bottom is absolutely correct it is not being heated purposely it will only catch radiant heat..... actually the white that I was referring to can only be seen through the tiny little holes on the sides.
Again your statement about the polyimide heater is also correct, however you are only focusing your mind on the inside of the heater....what of the backside....it too will be heating up....and this is were I say hats off to whomever came up with this design.....because they thought to use that heat to warm the air on the backside of the polyimide heater...then they simply indent the other side of whatever they wrap around the heater {in this case a white sleeve}...because we know more heat will radiate to the backside of it..... now place the holes such that air has to zigzag through these 2 extra chambers......nicely done..

It's early and I can't find a flashlight. Wish I could shine the xp's light down it's own hole. While you probably explained the location of the holes pretty well, I'm feeling a little thick. Where are the 4 holes allowing air into the inner chamber located?

Not thick at all my friend.....you can not see them when the unit is assembled.... there were some pics posted a while back in this thread somewhere......

Are you saying the top (mouthpiece end) of the chamber? So then air is brought back down on the inside of the chamber and up through the capsule?

Yes

That would explain why capping the top where there was a definite air leak improves performance.

There really shouldn't be anyway for that to happen normally....my thoughts about your leak is the top of your white sleeve may be damaged {dented} it takes on a bunch of heat....and that is the hottest where it is to seal against the cap screen....yes the click we feel is made by the screen squeezing by the sleeve opening....ikr...

 

[hiphiphooray]

I vote we take this into our own hands to try to fix the problem. You guys seem to have a good understanding of the hardware, but are there any indications of what could have changed, if anything?

Assuming the modifications from the Q2 design to the Q4 design were completely software... I'd love to take a look at the source code for that and make some modifications for us.

@Inhalater, is the software controlling the XP open source? Assuming that vaporpedia is correct and the INH05 is expected to have "internet communicability for firmware updates," will we be able to chose firmware that more closely models that of the Q2 Inhalater XP?