OF
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interesting allegory..
are you high, man?
No more than normal. Surely no more than I want to be.
Thanks for asking......
OF
Pen Imag Plus
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No more than normal. Surely no more than I want to be.
Thanks for asking......
OF
Does the 3 only have two holes on the sides? Edit: NVM- I see two air holes in the picture. Assuming it has 4 of them 90˚ apart.
Is battery stationary or removable on this version?
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Apologies for the double post. Can I edit a post I already edited once? Just had this question while catching up on this thread.
At what temperature does the thermostat kick in on this IMag 3?
At what temperature does the thermostat kick in on this IMag 3?
OF
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No worries. You can edit as many times as you want for a fixed time (4 hours?). Only you see the 'edit' tab at the bottom when this is allowed.
The usual plan is to edit the two posts into one (cut and paste the good stuff) then edit the other to 'please delete' of something like that and use the report tab to report yourself. Only Mods can remove the second post.
Sorry I don't have a V3, someone else will have to sort that out.
OF
Thank you for clarifying! I timed out on the edit.
Found out some answers from Relaxo overnight on IMag3:
Ceramic chamber, stationary battery, lowest temp that can be set is 185˚C. It has a memory to reset to the temperature last used when powered off (not sure I like that because I like lower temps for tastier terps). I usually tend to start on lowest setting on the IMag+ and work to the middle to finish the session, I only use the highest setting for cook-off.
I've been a long time lurker here from time to time. After I finish reading through this entire thread and I get the IMag3, I'll be sure to post a comprehensive review.
Vapenic
Gaseouser
Just catching up here a bit folks, I see it is probably time -again- to highlight the most crucial bit of information for all of those lazy thread-reader vapezies having weak draws, thin vapor, diluted haze you name it - this issue is actually getting addressed in final product:
BTW - the iBullets are for real connoisseurs going for elongated taste, random users are advised to fire up the device all the way to red for best results with it. Can't emphasize it enough how important the cited advice above is to get a sealed way for air, to get ALL air forced through the substance/bullet... I personally love the fact having some five of these preloaded sitting in my pocket, and doing no mess around when needed to "shoot"
Possible poor vapor production issue:
Ok, so first I explain what could go wrong when the device is working. Poor vapor production is a result of extra air unintentionally leaking into the draw. This extra air enters a very unfortunate place, between the mouthpiece and top of device - the black ring installed as a closure for heating chamber, also it is a profile to receive the locking nuts on the MP. The air entering here will obviously not pass through the heated substance, carrying no vapor at all, resulting a hardly visible, weak draw.
A simple method to determine where the air is infiltrating, is to cover the two intake holes on the enclosure when trying to draw air. As the airpath is completely sealed off from electronics, and you are blocking the air intake holes, the only way to get "false draw" is at the point where MP attached. If you put some "Blu Tack" around this tiny gap, you should not be able to suck through any air, this confirms the fault!
Simple solution:
We are aiming for an obvious solution to provide maximum insulation of the path of vapor between the MP, and the heating chamber. To achieve such results, follow these two easy steps:
-Screw off the cleanable metal part from the MP.
-Screw it back only about one/one and a half turn. It will be loose, but don't worry about that.
Try to lock on the mouthpiece. If you cannot, it is because the screen obtruding too much, so keep turning about a half turn every time, until MP locks tightly again! Try again to block the intake holes on the side, you should feel now, that no more extra air gets to vaporpath! Now all you draw gets through the heated substance
Now having a gap between screen and rest of MP installation, you may also put on a high temp silicone ring to maximize sealing, though it is not necessary.
BTW - the iBullets are for real connoisseurs going for elongated taste, random users are advised to fire up the device all the way to red for best results with it. Can't emphasize it enough how important the cited advice above is to get a sealed way for air, to get ALL air forced through the substance/bullet... I personally love the fact having some five of these preloaded sitting in my pocket, and doing no mess around when needed to "shoot"
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Rizzalso
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I got the Imag 3 last week but haven't had much time to use it. After reading @Gibarian post about the intake issue I decided to try it out on my 3 just for the hell of it. I covered all 4 intake holes with my fingers and it had pretty much no effect on the draw resistance. I then covered up the usb port while also covering the 4 holes and that had a very noticeable effect. Should we be concerned about this? Do we know if the airpath is completely isolated the whole way through?
OF
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Your call, I think. We're individuals. I, for instance, don't fear electronics vapor. Some do I gather. Mostly because I don't think there is an exposure any different that the air coming out the fan port on my computer, up through the monitor vents and out the back of the TV next to the desk. If it's evil, it's everywhere all ready?
Do we know if the air path is isolated? Yes, we do. It's not. You just proved it. Air comes in the port, over the electronics, around the battery into the oven input, through the load and up the MP straight into your lips. At least part of it, right? That means it's not isolated (from the electronics and battery)........
BTW, good testing. Next time, for a less fiddly and more positive test, try tape. Easy way to test things.
And, as you might have just guessed, you can leave the tape over the USB port between chargings and you'll probably cut the airflow through the electronics to a small fraction, if that's important to you.
I hope you enjoy it. That's why you bought it, not to worry over?
OF
Melting Pot
Sick & Twisted
When I use mine I cover charge port with thumb or finger to promote air through air ports.
My thinking is if the air can't come in the bottom and pass batt. & elect. Must have to enter by heat chamber. J m o
My thinking is if the air can't come in the bottom and pass batt. & elect. Must have to enter by heat chamber. J m o
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OF
Well-Known Member
I think you're basically right. All the air that makes it to the load has to "enter by the heat chamber", that is through the holes on the bottom of the bowl. That air comes, it seems, either by the vents in the side or hole in the bottom for the most part. Some might also come though the button holes? Normally the air entering the bottom is a mixture of all those, blocking the bottom severely limits the air from around the electronics by stopping the draft. It won't go to zero since air is still circulating inside the unit. To get that you'd need to go inside and seal it where the four wires leave the heater to connect to the board.
BTW, an easy way to test for this is to blow in the USB port and see if vapor comes out the MP.......
OF
Melting Pot
Sick & Twisted
wm762
Product Tester / Reviewer
My input on this device for the newbies ( i had the older version 2.0 i believe)
- be careful on how you fill up the chamber/bowl - make sure it's been busted up properly with a grinder.
- try to estimate and visual that there is enough airflow when you fill up bullet chamber
- I always used RED for the best results
My device is on the way. I will post a review as well .
- be careful on how you fill up the chamber/bowl - make sure it's been busted up properly with a grinder.
- try to estimate and visual that there is enough airflow when you fill up bullet chamber
- I always used RED for the best results
My device is on the way. I will post a review as well .
PPN
Volute of Vapor
Hi, the Imag3 finally reaches my home!
Outside, the unit is very similar to the previous version except the screen and the 2 buttons (+ and -).
The bullets are well made, very similar to a elb.
I noticed a strong robot fart smell when I opened the box and in the unit so I made some burnoffs after a full charge (I noticed a very light fume for the first). Although this robot fart took some sessions to disappear...
Guys are noticed this version is a bit less powerfull...tha's true, but as a "vaporist" i prefer the lower temp and slower extraction this version offers. You can even play for lower t° using the bullets but they are a PIA to load...although they add a small bit of convection.
Taste is improved, slightly, but enough to be noticed when all the "factory" taste dissipate.
Less powerfull means less clouds, it's not anymore the crazy cloudy machine it was...abv comes out definitly less dark, maybe smokers will not like that but for me it's a step forward! Clouds are definitly here too but looks like vapor clouds not smoke clouds.
This version fix some of the main issues as the taste and the borderline black abv, timer si not an issue for me even if I might prefer a 4-5mn timer, although I noticed a shorter battery life, I don't know if others reviewrs noticed that also...
Outside, the unit is very similar to the previous version except the screen and the 2 buttons (+ and -).
The bullets are well made, very similar to a elb.
I noticed a strong robot fart smell when I opened the box and in the unit so I made some burnoffs after a full charge (I noticed a very light fume for the first). Although this robot fart took some sessions to disappear...
Guys are noticed this version is a bit less powerfull...tha's true, but as a "vaporist" i prefer the lower temp and slower extraction this version offers. You can even play for lower t° using the bullets but they are a PIA to load...although they add a small bit of convection.
Taste is improved, slightly, but enough to be noticed when all the "factory" taste dissipate.
Less powerfull means less clouds, it's not anymore the crazy cloudy machine it was...abv comes out definitly less dark, maybe smokers will not like that but for me it's a step forward! Clouds are definitly here too but looks like vapor clouds not smoke clouds.
This version fix some of the main issues as the taste and the borderline black abv, timer si not an issue for me even if I might prefer a 4-5mn timer, although I noticed a shorter battery life, I don't know if others reviewrs noticed that also...
OF
Well-Known Member
There have been a couple of posts on how to partially strip it (one removing the oven and one prying the cover off the bottom, but AFAIK nobody has completely disassembled one and lived to tell about it.
I too find it strange you haven't seen mention of loose USB ports, it's come up a fair bit:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/imag-plus.15520/page-50#post-866922
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/imag-plus.15520/page-41#post-791181
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/imag-plus.15520/page-35#post-744541
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/imag-plus.15520/page-29#post-731174
There was also some troubles a while back with glue softening and jamming up the works IIRC, but port problems have come up. Given it's a surface mount part, even if you could get it out I think repair is beyond most owner's resources. A trip to the shop might be in order.......I hope you got it from PIU.
Good luck with it.
OF
Thanks. I like the form factor of the vape..but the quick defect of it really turns me off. Would you recommend the imag 3?
And no, I got it through vapelikeaG..and I thought there was a 1 year warranty from manufacturer (even says it in the pamphlet) BUT there is no contact information in sight..
OF
Well-Known Member
Bummer about the lack of support, but I understand how that can take second place to being able to get it at a reasonable price, or even at all in some cases. You can try contacting the maker directly, but as we've discussed the only generally enforceable contract for warranty is with the guy you have a (purchase) contract with. Which is why Randy at PIU is so cool to have on your side if troubles come up, he replaces bad gear immediately (even before you send the dud in) typically. Warranty issues may be different internally in the EU and other places, but when it goes to international levels it falls in line with the American practice, Contract Law becomes the venue......and Imag has no deal with you (unless they want to help).
I've never tried the Imag3, sorry. I do have the FM V3 and can't get too excited about it (it gets hot in use for openers). However I also have the new FM Aura and am quite impressed with it. You might want to consider it:
http://www.puffitup.com/Flowermate-Aura-p/fm.aura.htm
IMO it's a step forward on that whole class of vapes. The 'pods' are also quite useful for concentrates and bubble hash/kief (in the herb version), not so much so for herb itself IMO.
OF
olivianewtonjohn
Well-Known Member
Same thing happened to my first sample so I took it apart. Bad move. Way more work and lots of room for something to go wrong. Taking it apart didnt allow me to really get to the USB from inside (got it pretty teared down but couldnt get through that bottom chamber). Really was a waste of time. Instead a 1min solution worked well, remove the plastic panel that covers the USB.
Then you can decide if it needs to be reinforced or maybe its like mine where the connection pushed in but was still secure enough as long as I was careful with it.
Why didn't I think of that. I'd assumed that I'd need to pry the whole bottom piece off..fuckin nice. Can't wait to try when I get home.Same thing happened to my first sample so I took it apart. Bad move. Way more work and lots of room for something to go wrong. Taking it apart didnt allow me to really get to the USB from inside (got it pretty teared down but couldnt get through that bottom chamber). Really was a waste of time. Instead a 1min solution worked well, remove the plastic panel that covers the USB.
Then you can decide if it needs to be reinforced or maybe its like mine where the connection pushed in but was still secure enough as long as I was careful with it.
I second the suggestion for both the Aura and Randy from puffitup. The Aura is truly a decent portable with awesome battery life, quick start up, and good flavor. It doesn't get hot at all.
OF, are you putting bubble in the loose leaf pod on top of herb or by itself? I have some that is not full melt and have been thinking about the most effective way to run if through the Aura.
OF
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In alone. I've got several grams of various strains I'm now (finally) using. They come out best warm as a 'not so sticky' mass. Higher grades (supermelts or nearly so) might be a leaking issue, but not so here, The SS cans stay pretty clean. Give it a go, it's working well for me.
OF
Hey All, Received the Imag 3 last night along with some ImagPen3. So far I've only tested the Imag 3 (without iBullets, as these were backordered).
Charged the unit last evening after it was delivered by DHL. I've only run one session on this by myself after a good number of burn in runs at highest temperature.
IMO currently, the device is setup for potentially good vapor, however whoever programmed the PCB with the temperature minimum and maximum should be fired. I don't understand how you can progress from the Imag to the Imag + (I never had a chance to try the Imag+ Ceramic) to a programmable desired temperature and start at 385˚F.
The Imag 2 device was a bad progression. Too much plastic compared to the original Imag(+), and the dry herb vaporizer side of things on that was weak from the limited times I gave it a chance. I won't beat a deadhorse on the 2.
If 430˚F is where you want to finish a session, that is all well and good, depending on the user and effect you are looking for. However setting the minimum temperature at 385˚F is a huge disservice to this device's potential regarding the Imag 3.
In terms of the Imag+, I never needed the 3rd setting for my use. I would normally do a session on the lowest setting and then 30 seconds to 1 minute on the middle setting no matter what materially I was working with. Normally it was just ground up flowers but I do from time to time sandwich some hash and/or kif about 3/4 way up the chamber and throw a little more herb on top before putting on the mouthpiece.
My other gripes on the Imag3 is the mouthpiece was not improved from the + Ceramic.
Lastly the lack of a replaceable battery compared to the original Imag with the 18350 battery. I would rather have the ability to add/remove a battery when needed opposed to be tied to a charger when the device goes empty. And if/when the battery stops doing its job, it's much easier to recycle an 18650 or 18350 by itself compared to a device with a battery permanently lodged inside.
I think with proper care, some of these devices will outlive the batteries inside of them, and poor battery technology shouldn't be the fault of the consumer. This in turn forces us to replace the device entirely.
Wish I had better things to say.
Charged the unit last evening after it was delivered by DHL. I've only run one session on this by myself after a good number of burn in runs at highest temperature.
IMO currently, the device is setup for potentially good vapor, however whoever programmed the PCB with the temperature minimum and maximum should be fired. I don't understand how you can progress from the Imag to the Imag + (I never had a chance to try the Imag+ Ceramic) to a programmable desired temperature and start at 385˚F.
The Imag 2 device was a bad progression. Too much plastic compared to the original Imag(+), and the dry herb vaporizer side of things on that was weak from the limited times I gave it a chance. I won't beat a deadhorse on the 2.
If 430˚F is where you want to finish a session, that is all well and good, depending on the user and effect you are looking for. However setting the minimum temperature at 385˚F is a huge disservice to this device's potential regarding the Imag 3.
In terms of the Imag+, I never needed the 3rd setting for my use. I would normally do a session on the lowest setting and then 30 seconds to 1 minute on the middle setting no matter what materially I was working with. Normally it was just ground up flowers but I do from time to time sandwich some hash and/or kif about 3/4 way up the chamber and throw a little more herb on top before putting on the mouthpiece.
My other gripes on the Imag3 is the mouthpiece was not improved from the + Ceramic.
Lastly the lack of a replaceable battery compared to the original Imag with the 18350 battery. I would rather have the ability to add/remove a battery when needed opposed to be tied to a charger when the device goes empty. And if/when the battery stops doing its job, it's much easier to recycle an 18650 or 18350 by itself compared to a device with a battery permanently lodged inside.
I think with proper care, some of these devices will outlive the batteries inside of them, and poor battery technology shouldn't be the fault of the consumer. This in turn forces us to replace the device entirely.
Wish I had better things to say.
CumBustion
Active Member
What about iBullet and vapor quality, any good?