I think I'm done with oils/waxes/shatter etc.

[pakalolo]

The great part about living here in California is we pay extra for everything! Housing? 3x the cost of everywhere else, Gas? Always the highest gas prices in the country, year round. Cable TV? $300 month.
Public Transit? $6 to go 15 minutes...

I'm putting down a bet that you've never been to Hawaii.

OB topic: Coming to Hawaii is definitely medicating, but it sure will cost you.

 

[Hexi]

I'm putting down a bet that you've never been to Hawaii.

OB topic: Coming to Hawaii is definitely medicating, but it sure will cost you.

Hah, I should have clarified not including the paradise state . I have been there a couple of times, OMG the beaches and cliffs... but have never sampled the local medicine . Still criminalized there?

 

[kevbotzilla]

Hah, I should have clarified not including the paradise state . I have been there a couple of times, OMG the beaches and cliffs... but have never sampled the local medicine . Still criminalized there?

I was not at all surprised when i got some pineapple bud there that was amazing.

 

[pakalolo]

Hah, I should have clarified not including the paradise state . I have been there a couple of times, OMG the beaches and cliffs... but have never sampled the local medicine . Still criminalized there?

There was a bill to go completely legal in Hawaii and it had some impressive sponsors, but it was suddenly yanked and replaced with a decriminalization bill. It seemed pretty suspicious, since the original bill was introduced by the House Speaker and supported by the House Leader for the Democrats, who dominate the Legislature. It didn't get out of the Judiciary Committee, however, with the excuse that there wasn't enough support to get it passed. WTF kind of House Leader brings in a bill that he can't muster his party's support behind?

 

[Tweek]

I'm putting down a bet that you've never been to Hawaii.

OB topic: Coming to Hawaii is definitely medicating, but it sure will cost you.

It's ridiculous. About the best deal you can get, is on Spam. Or the meatloaf dinner at Safeways.

 

[Olympus Mons]

I find the divide between recreational and medical to be quite real. imho, I find as a "medical" user I am medicating to "enable" me to do something rather than disable. It might be trying to peel myself off the toilet, get out of bed, or tolerating the pain of my daily existence. I am also as a "medical" user very picky about what goes in my body. I see recreational users willing to put just about anything in their bodies, just look at cup videos with all the random dabs and hits, with no regard to strain, how it was grown, by whom, with what etc . . . then we move on to concentrates, which imho, just like high fructose corn syrup not being the same thing as sugar, they just are not the same as doing flowers. The terps and other water solubles are lost in the process and in my opinion this is why concentrates feel "unnatural" to me. I will ocassionally do ice water or "bubble" hash but thats as far as I go now . . .

"Medicating" just to peel yourself off the toilet and get out of bed? Wow, t-dub! I love ya man, but that's getting high, not medicating! Pain relief, I can see and happy it works for ya, but pot has never worked much for me as a pain reliever. Seems stretching it a bit with those other examples, that's just the typical shit we all have to do every day till we die, and yeah I agree it sucks, and I'm old and all that sucks now more than ever, but I say it's why I get high, not why I "medicate." Maybe we're just using different terms, t-dub, I'm riffin' on ya not rattlin' ya.

I get high to feel good, and I believe that in itself is medicinally therapeutic. Hedonistic though it may be even to me (as evidenced every time I masturbate), the mind-body connection is not some crystal-kissing-sissy metaphysics. Sure, if my soul were in perfect working order, so would my body, and one might think what need have I for strong drink or smoke with such a perfect balance of gut and ghost? Why, for FUN! Drinking and smoking are fun! And fun will keep you alive longer than any medication.

Getting back to reality here, a Buddhist monk probably has no need to smoke pot to feel good, but not all of us are monks, or Mother Teresa, or Jesus. Half of us are like Cheech, the other half are like Chong, for the most part. And cannabis is one of the safest, most natural, helpful in many ways, fun plant to ingest, whether smoked or vaped or eaten or stuck up your ass. As long as you're not cramming a kilo dildo of hash up there, or making an extraction with Grandpa's old can of turpentine, you're gonna be okay.

I know people who used to "get high" but now "medicate" and from my point of view they aren't doing a damn thing differently, but good for them.

Pot, my medicine, is fun. Pot, my fun, is medicine. Some people just can't fathom that. Look at the "medicines" most people take, the side effects, the horrid bullshit glorified bathtub pharmaceutical drugs, the fucking suit-and-tie crack dealers, the tv commercials -- some people who have to take those drugs hate pot and pot users because pot is a fun medicine and a medicine that is fun. They don't get it at all. And billions, and billions, and billions, are spent to keep it that way.

Please, we must all remember: Imagine how cheap pot would be if it were truly legal. As Lennon said, Imagine.... Way cheaper than cigarettes. Cheaper than beer. Remember, totally legal means anyone can grow it (and when it is legal, everyone will and prices will crash), and it is relatively easy to grow -- again, when it is totally legal.

Imagine. How cheap.

I mean, really cheap. like fucking lettuce or broccoli, yes, that cheap. There is absolutely no reason you should pay $400 an oz. for good pot when it costs about as much to grow good lettuce and broccoli. It is fucking insane.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

"Medicating" just to peel yourself off the toilet and get out of bed? Come on, that's getting high! Pain relief, I can see, but pot has never worked much for me as a pain reliever. Seems stretching it a bit with those other examples, that's just the typical shit we all have to do every day till we die, and yeah I agree it sucks, and I'm old and all that sucks now more than ever, but I say it's why I get high, not why I "medicate."

I get high to feel good, and I believe that in itself is medicinally therapeutic.

I've know people who used to "get high" but now "medicate" and from my point of view they aren't doing a damn thing differently, but good for them.

Some of us are toilet slaves because breakfast/lunch/dinner (pick one to have a day like me) decides that it wants to go out the same way it came in. I'm not even kidding, ate a bit of dinner earlier and I'm sitting in my bathroom right now hitting oil because it feels like it's not going to stay down much longer. Tingly lips, light sweat, etc.

My mornings usually start with some indica and a Vicodin or two, on the better days i can get away with just getting stoned instead. 4 or 5 different pills, 6-8 a day I have to take, that can double if I need to take steroids/take a turn for the worst (again), etc. I just tend to explain my problems to people in the simplest terms possible because it doesn't matter anyways. I can explain what it feels like to cry because you can't even turn the door knob to get into your room, much less open a pill bottle to get some relief, but the essence of what I try to explain gets lost. I say shoulder pain, you think sleeping on your arm wrong, I meant not being able to put your arm anywhere comfortable on the drive to the doctor's office because every position makes you whince and clench your jaw.

Pain relief from cannabis is different than the analgesia from opiates. I feel like opiates are much much more precise in what they do (by nature since they target those receptors anyways) whereas with weed the pain relief is more like being able to stop paying attention/caring about the pain. Not quite as effective as narcs, but any relief is welcomed in my book.

You can imagine a life spent revolving around nausea, chronic pain, etc to be less than optimal.

 

[Olympus Mons]

.... I'm not even kidding, ate a bit of dinner earlier and I'm sitting in my bathroom right now hitting oil because it feels like it's not going to stay down much longer. Tingly lips, light sweat, etc....

Absolutely, I'm there with ya, 100%, I don't mean in the bathroom, well I do...you know what the hell I mean. Yes, pot helps me with physical issues like this....I think it could potentially help EVERYONE with physical issues like this. I'm not even sure if it really helps, but I feel better, and after all, that is what matters.

I suspect that some benefits are purely chemical, meaning they have a direct impact on things like pain relief. But I also suspect that the effect of "getting high" and "feeling good" are, in some not fully understood way, also at work here, indirectly, in improving health for body and mind. Synergy is the key. Synergy of mind and body, synergy of psychoactive components in cannabis, synergy of diet and lifestyle and frame of mind.

Much is speculation, sadly because cannabis is illegal and experimentation is under fascist restraints.

 

[Hexi]

It's easy to bash suits and ties pushing bottled crack.. (I love ragging on people wearing suits!) but there are a lot of good drugs out there made by big pharma that are not just dick pills and vaccines

Cancer drugs is a big one, unfortunately we have to have the suits involved because we don't have universal, single payer healthcare in the US. We have the lovely "free market" which means almost all medicines have to be made by a for-profit pharma company because no one else has the money for R&D.

Some companies do indeed target the wealthy markets (dick drugs is a big one) but in general the industry is trying to sell the drugs to those that can afford it, make a profit, fund R&D. Those who can't afford the super expensive cancer treatments have way fewer options, but there are programs that help people pay for it etc...

The biggest problem is the same problem we are seeing every day. Working poor/middle class being squeezed. If you have zero income, you can get help paying for cancer drugs. If you are rich, you are set. If you are a worker, you are expected to pay your own way... but when someone gets cancer, most of the time they can't work...

The suits are just there to do the sales deals the ones doing the R&D and trying to make medicine to help people ... no suits allowed!

 

[toros23]

"Medicating" just to peel yourself off the toilet and get out of bed? Wow, t-dub! I love ya man, but that's getting high, not medicating! Pain relief, I can see and happy it works for ya, but pot has never worked much for me as a pain reliever. Seems stretching it a bit with those other examples, that's just the typical shit we all have to do every day till we die, and yeah I agree it sucks, and I'm old and all that sucks now more than ever, but I say it's why I get high, not why I "medicate." Maybe we're just using different terms, t-dub, I'm riffin' on ya not rattlin' ya

I am allergic to all OTC and prescription anti-inflammatories and have found some strains are somewhat effective at relieving inflammation from my spondylosis. If cannabis is relieving the symptoms that cause my pain, then isn't that considered pain relief?

 

[Hexi]

It's absolutely medicinal pain relief. So are leeches. Medicinal is really more of a 'hope' or 'maybe' more than anything else. Only prescribed drugs and OTC drugs are required to prove safety and effectiveness.

All home remedies .. it's a free for all. Everyone is free to label it however they please No fines, no penalties, no inspections!

 

[mvapes]

Some of us are toilet slaves because breakfast/lunch/dinner (pick one to have a day like me) decides that it wants to go out the same way it came in. I'm not even kidding, ate a bit of dinner earlier and I'm sitting in my bathroom right now hitting oil because it feels like it's not going to stay down much longer. Tingly lips, light sweat, etc.

My mornings usually start with some indica and a Vicodin or two, on the better days i can get away with just getting stoned instead. 4 or 5 different pills, 6-8 a day I have to take, that can double if I need to take steroids/take a turn for the worst (again), etc. I just tend to explain my problems to people in the simplest terms possible because it doesn't matter anyways. I can explain what it feels like to cry because you can't even turn the door knob to get into your room, much less open a pill bottle to get some relief, but the essence of what I try to explain gets lost. I say shoulder pain, you think sleeping on your arm wrong, I meant not being able to put your arm anywhere comfortable on the drive to the doctor's office because every position makes you whince and clench your jaw.

Pain relief from cannabis is different than the analgesia from opiates. I feel like opiates are much much more precise in what they do (by nature since they target those receptors anyways) whereas with weed the pain relief is more like being able to stop paying attention/caring about the pain. Not quite as effective as narcs, but any relief is welcomed in my book.

You can imagine a life spent revolving around nausea, chronic pain, etc to be less than optimal.

I agree 100% - I have Parkinson's Disease as you guys know. It fucking sucks in every way. Pain, rigidity, lock ups, tremors, and the fact that I'm 40 years old and have to listen to my kids friends ask why their Daddy is shaking!

I take 20 pills a day and do they work? Somewhat, they help with a few things but in the world of PD treatment basically equates to robbing from Peter to Pay Paul.

Now, I've been a cannabis user for a long time. And when the weed in vaped at specific times of the day, specif amounts and for sure at different temps it helps my Tremors. It eases them. Other times, yes I fucking like getting High. I love marijuana and I am ok with that. What I'm trying to say is that there is VERY big difference between recreational use and fucking medicating and people that think differently is what holding this fucking country from moving forward with legalization. It's those kind of thoughts that conjure in peoples heads that think Pot Use is considered drug use and associated as a gateway drug to much worse.

Well, I'm a pothead and I need help - it fucking blows that people don't believe we can be mature enough to be responsible. I guess I understand them now because so many people believe there's no difference.

Sorry for the rant but I had to say.

 

[t-dub]

"Medicating" just to peel yourself off the toilet and get out of bed? Wow, t-dub! I love ya man, but that's getting high, not medicating! Pain relief, I can see and happy it works for ya, but pot has never worked much for me as a pain reliever. Seems stretching it a bit with those other examples, that's just the typical shit we all have to do every day till we die, and yeah I agree it sucks, and I'm old and all that sucks now more than ever, but I say it's why I get high, not why I "medicate." Maybe we're just using different terms, t-dub, I'm riffin' on ya not rattlin' ya.

You better be careful, you don't know me or my medical history, and I'm not laying it out for you. I have been fully disabled and was on morphine sulfate for over 5 years, lets leave it at that. I was thinking you looked kinda cool, but after reading your comment I will pass on associating with you further.

 

[Olympus Mons]

Think we are all in agreement here, perhaps using different terms. The short of it is cannabis is a wonder drug for body and mind, certainly for pain and nausea and helps with a thousand other diseases and aliments, not to mention things like depression and simple boredom. Ever try to watch Monty Python when you're straight?

When jonesing for a vape, it is not cannabis withdrawal, but a tired old and in some ways sick body asking for more medicine. Sometimes my tired sick old mind asks for it too.

Yeah, t-dub, you are right, I shouldn't be bashing suits, chalk it up to misdirected frustrations with the legal state of cannabis.

And to anyone with cancer or parkinsons who is helped by cannabis, believe me I am on your side all the way. Medicate or get high, please do both, do anything with cannabis to get well or feel better. Suppose that is my main point.

Cannabis is good, and good for you! Should be on the Food Pyramid. Do they even still use that in school? Anyway, cheers all around!

 

[Hexi]

The good news on the compassion/legalization front... Dr Sanjay Gupta has gone on record now as saying he was wrong about weed and was mislead by propaganda.

http://gawker.com/sanjay-gupta-is-all-for-weed-now-1065775125

 

[t-dub]

Yeah, t-dub, you are right, I shouldn't be bashing suits, chalk it up to misdirected frustrations with the legal state of cannabis.

I didn't say anything about your "suit" comments, I was speaking directly at your comments aimed at me. My sister is bed bound with MS and needs assistance to go to the bathroom, you have any advice for her? Would you care to come with me to my next chemo session for a shot of genetically engineered proteins to alter your immune system?

 

[Olympus Mons]

Sorry, it was Hexi regarding the suits, my bad. As for the attack and the rest, I don't even understand it and am not biting.

 

[momofthegoons]

Friends.... let's take this back 6 steps and say "mother may I?"

Some of us use mj to get high, some of us use mj to medicate, some of us use mj to do both. BUT, there are those here on this forum who use mj to be able to exist. And the fact that some of us are not in those shoes is a blessing.

Let's get a little more compassionate in this thread and zippa the lippa before something else gets said that shouldn't.

 

[Olympus Mons]

Yeah, sorry there t-dub, I think I now see how I screwed up. When you mentioned getting off the toilet, getting out of bed, and pain, I thought you were referring to 3 different, distinct things. I didn't realize you meant you have a hard time getting out of bed and so on BECAUSE you are in pain. Well, that makes all the difference in the world and changes everything. I misunderstood, again my bad.

And ditto the prayer from the above mod god.

 

[t-dub]

I got mad (my fault) sorry, I look forward to reading your content . . .

 

[momofthegoons]

Ah..... A Kumbaya moment. How nice.

 

[Olympus Mons]

Eeek! As I read backwards I realize what a cold heartless bastard I must have come off as! Anyone who knows me knows it is absolutely true, but I didn't mean to be, not this time!

So I am officially returning to concentrates after a 3 week hiatus to wash away my sins in the anointing oil, Gooshberry to be precise.

See? See how I always bring these threads back around?

 

[Tweek]

OMs intracranial pressure is off...being from Mars and all.

 

[ataxian]

right now I use omicron carts. They work phenomenal, but don't seem to get me as medicated as say havin a solo bowl. My solo just can't go to the bar or other places where discreet is key.

shredhead I understand your repentance to concentrates.

Now I respect you so please don't take this wrong however I have a different point of view!

I do not believe you can compare a FLOWER VAPORIZER and a OMNICROM.
It's like Apples and Oranges!
The SOLO for FLOWERS wow I love it thing.
The OMNICROM for PG or WAX OMG so tasty, fast and STEALTH!

I do my fair share of FLOWERS and love them.

I would quit as well if the material was sub standard!
CONCENTRATES have their place.
High Quailty well Purged in a PERSEI another level!

I enjoy both! (Talking Top Shelf Only both FLOWERS and OILS)

 

[dannkk]

I agree 100% - I have Parkinson's Disease as you guys know. It fucking sucks in every way. Pain, rigidity, lock ups, tremors, and the fact that I'm 40 years old and have to listen to my kids friends ask why their Daddy is shaking!

I take 20 pills a day and do they work? Somewhat, they help with a few things but in the world of PD treatment basically equates to robbing from Peter to Pay Paul.

Now, I've been a cannabis user for a long time. And when the weed in vaped at specific times of the day, specif amounts and for sure at different temps it helps my Tremors. It eases them. Other times, yes I fucking like getting High. I love marijuana and I am ok with that. What I'm trying to say is that there is VERY big difference between recreational use and fucking medicating and people that think differently is what holding this fucking country from moving forward with legalization. It's those kind of thoughts that conjure in peoples heads that think Pot Use is considered drug use and associated as a gateway drug to much worse.

Well, I'm a pothead and I need help - it fucking blows that people don't believe we can be mature enough to be responsible. I guess I understand them now because so many people believe there's no difference.

Sorry for the rant but I had to say.

I am saying there's no difference...but you have it backwards. I'm not saying you're just getting high...I'm saying the person everyone says is "just getting high," is medicating, just like you are. It's different, definitely, but it's like the difference between taking an advil for an annoying headache or a serious migraine. My point is that healthy people do not use drugs. People use drugs to heal or feel better. It's a basic idea. You think the teenager smoking is doing it just for fun? Nah. If everything was awesome at home, and he felt good about himself...getting good grades and being on the wrestling team would be fun, too. He's medicating. Just like you. I'm medicating. Just like you. We just haven't got a card and a bunch of old men saying it's ok.

Not saying it's cool for teenagers to smoke. It's not. One of the few proven harmful side effects is to the growth of an undeveloped mind. Just making a point that no one really uses drugs just for fun. Everyone using drugs is in some kind of pain. Some people are in enormous amounts of pain, and some much less, but we should all be allowed to relieve that pain how we choose.

Also...if anyone brings up that gateway drug BS to you, say what I say. Sugar is the gateway drug. Marijuana is only the gateway to the black market, because it's illegal. Haven't said that to anyone that didn't think about it for a minute.