Discontinued herbalAire

[PPN]

Hi Mrweed, did you order your HA on their own website?
I done it when I bought it and shipping to EU was really long (5 or 6 weeks)...
Perhaps you get it yet? Do you like it?

It was my first real vape and I use it everyday, it's tasty, cloudy, efficiency, reliable and unbreakable(not really if you use a hammer, a real one, not the vape called like that!)

 

[mrweed]

no, i've got it from an us store, but didn't know that there is a different version for europe with a pump that works over here. still waiting for my new pump. Must be here any minute now

 

[RUDE BOY]

Ok I have been using the HA for a couple of days now and I am "digging" it. Sitting back with the whip makes for a very sweet laid back session With Great taste, Big vapor clouds and full extraction.

Now it's time to weed out a handful or two of the portables collected over the past few years.

As stupid as it may sound for some reason I had it in my head that portables would really perform at a level close enough to a desktop to keep me happy But Man O' Man since getting a Vapolution 2 and my HerbalAire I see I couldn't have been more Wrong.

When at Home "Plug it in" !!

 

[mrweed]

an update from me: recieved my new pump on friday. returned it today... the air coming from the pump had a fusty smell/taste, so I've ordered an original from herbalaire now, even if the quality of the koi pump seems to be much better. so beware if you want to buy a stronger pump for your herbalaire

 

[RUDE BOY]

I have not had a chance to try the bags yet as I vape out on a porch, the wind has been blowing. If I bring a bag into my den I have got to kick my cat out then she gets pissed off and vindictive.

It feels like a waste of herb to fill one bag. Am I wrong thinking this ?

 

[Vicki]

I've never used bags or a whip with my HA. Just a gong with my Pinnacle water tube.

 

[LogProducer]

My second Herbalaire Just died on me a couple days ago. No heat, stuck on green. She was a 2.1 and lasted 4 to 5 years of daily use and a few drops on carpet so can't complain

Took her apart,bottom stunk like a dollar store. The smaller third wire also pulled off of the heating element.

Now i`m back using my orignal herbalaire(thinks its a 2.0) which still works , gets way hotter but requires alot of screwing around to get it to stay working. Turn it on and it heats up a bit but eventually stops heating and stays on while the temp climbs back down. If you keep turning it off though with ten econd intervals it eventually heats up to 400 and stays there so long long as you dont shut it down and dont let it cool off again. Pretty much got to screw around with it f0r 45 minutes then it works like a charm and stays cooking. Wish i could figure out whats wrong

will probably still buy a third

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations LogProducer,

Wish i could figure out whats wrong...

As i recall it gave me a negative impression when i looked inside my HA 2.1 and noticed how its thermocouple (page 56) was installed. Honnestly, "sturdiness" wasn't the word this inspired me but version 2.2 corrected that conceptual defect and i suppose this would stand true about the Elite.

Anyway i'd be careful with that so why not verify that your thermocouple isn't swinging loose inside?... It's not even an intuition, just basic advice; also it's important not to overheat, because of the series in-line protector, IMO....

 

[LogProducer]

Salutations LogProducer,



As i recall it gave me a negative impression when i looked inside my HA 2.1 and noticed how its thermocouple (page 56) was installed. Honnestly, "sturdiness" wasn't the word this inspired me but version 2.2 corrected that conceptual defect and i suppose this would stand true about the Elite.

Anyway i'd be careful with that so why not verify that your thermocouple isn't swinging loose inside?... It's not even an intuition, just basic advice; also it's important not to overheat, because of the series in-line protector, IMO....

thanks for your reply Egzoset. I`ve pretty much written my 2.1 off. The wire pulled right off the heating element when i tried to take it apart and slip out the element. Dont think anything was loose before, just me being wreckless with an old vape that no longer worked. I too noticed that that one screw put in sideways into a telfon shim, remarkable how these things lasted like they did.

i think my only hope is fixing my 2.0 which works but is really screw up and hard to get going(got to turn it off and on or it stops heating,once it heats to 400 it stays working for as long as you leave it on). Maybe a swap of a component from my 2.1 is all thats needed,most parts seem soldered though.

i smell a 2.2 coming soon

 

[Egzoset]

Hi again LogProducer,

I`ve pretty much written my 2.1 off.

In that case there's not much i can add.

...one screw put in sideways into a telfon shim, remarkable how these things lasted like they did.

Somehow this reminded me of some old Microsoft joke...

...i think my only hope is fixing my 2.0... Maybe a swap of a component... ...i smell a 2.2 coming...

There's teflon inside the v2.1 heat-exchanger and i'm ready to bet it's the same in the other versions as well so i'd be careful not to let it reach temperatures beyond 400 °F, just to stay clean... But v2.2 sounds even better of course!

 

[Belgianvapor]

So I just had my second session with the herbalaire 2.2 and I'm not sure what to say
about it.
This is my first plug in vaporizer (tried the plenty a few times)
It medicates me in a different way, it creeps on me, just when I start to think man
it doesn't medicate enough, I start to notice that I am even beyond what I intended.
I think 200°C is just a little bit too low for my needs, I mainly use the pax and the ascent, both
on highest setting and they give me more vapor and a faster high, but with the HA it feels
harder, much harder in a different way, maybe it's the effects of vaping at a lower than usual temp?
I like the HA already a bit but I need to test her potential some more.
I noticed the oven staying hot for a long time, does this affect the next session lenght by overheating
faster thus shutting down faster with back to back sessions?

*edit*
I just ground my herbs, took two good spoons with the pipe tool and tamped it
down very hard with a bigger screen on top of it to hold it tight and put the HA on highest
temp setting and it blew real big clouds ! so grinding and tamping down will be my recipe for the HA

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations BelgianVapor,

...just when I start to think man it doesn't medicate enough, I start to notice that I am even beyond what I intended. I think 200°C is just a little bit too low...

Hummm... Too low, at 200 °C... Are you sure you didn't actually mean too slow!! Which it is when compared to my pipe, as far as i'm concerned. My HerbalAire bags required 3 minutes (as i recall) and i doubled that when i cut its pump's drive by half, so that made a bit of a contrast with the 5 to 12 seconds i require today.

There's got to be a trade-off somewhere in the middle, what do you think about halogen? Or using a whip-style accessory like i did relatively to the Solo Glass Stems from Arizer, as all it takes is some teflon tape, really:

FC: herbalAire (2013-Jan-8)​

Tell me it's not capable of providing you with some new perspective when it comes to your HerbalAire:

FC: herbalAire (2013-Dec-22)​

Plus it's very easy to clean and/or reclaim from, not to mention it solves the "locomotive" syndrome (slow & heavy)...

Be warned though that this will cause a sensible drop of temperature at the vaporisation site.

 

[Belgianvapor]

Hi Egzoset, I don't use the bags, my wife doesn't like them. I Always use the whip (I took the
tube from the blower to the ha and connected it to the whip so now I have a 5 foot whip)
I don't mind a slow draw and for me it's less restricted than a pax so I'm not unhappy with the draw.
To be honest, I like everything on the HA, but because I'm used to vape at higher temps, I was afraid that I would not like the HA that much, because of the temp but I really like it alot!
Yesterday I loaded 0.3 grams of fine grinded herbs and didn't use a screen, just filled it and go.
It gave me great resullts so I'm not going to use a screen on top anymore.

 

[mrweed]

here is my promised review, finally. I'm still unsure if I think the HerbalAire is better than the Extreme Q or not, but based on its size the HerbalAire is truely amazing

 

[nicelytoasted]

So I just had my second session with the herbalaire 2.2 and I'm not sure what to say
about it.
This is my first plug in vaporizer (tried the plenty a few times)
It medicates me in a different way, it creeps on me, just when I start to think man
it doesn't medicate enough, I start to notice that I am even beyond what I intended.
I think 200°C is just a little bit too low for my needs, I mainly use the pax and the ascent, both
on highest setting and they give me more vapor and a faster high, but with the HA it feels
harder, much harder in a different way, maybe it's the effects of vaping at a lower than usual temp?
I like the HA already a bit but I need to test her potential some more.
I noticed the oven staying hot for a long time, does this affect the next session lenght by overheating
faster thus shutting down faster with back to back sessions?

*edit*
I just ground my herbs, took two good spoons with the pipe tool and tamped it
down very hard with a bigger screen on top of it to hold it tight and put the HA on highest
temp setting and it blew real big clouds ! so grinding and tamping down will be my recipe for the HA

Belgianvapor, don't be misled into thinking thicker, more visible vapour is better vapour, it isn't, it's just different. Just like there isn't a best vape, there isn't a best vape method, it comes down to personal preference.

Yes, the higher temps give a different cannabinoid ratio, but they also singe the outer plant material more, releasing more particulates into the vapour path, giving more surface area for condensation to occur., hence more visible vapour. It's the same thing with grinding, which isn't really necessary with the HA, since it penetrates/extracts better than most any vape on the market. Grinding is necessary for most vapes, since they only use heat to extract the goodies, and don't penetrate the surface of the bud very well, but it also releases far more particles into the vapour path, hence much more condensation.

It's only now that vape manufacturers are beginning to realize that there's much more than just heating involved in extracting the goodies with vaping. Altering the flow/pressure/vacuum and changing the aerodynamics can drastically improve the extracting capabilities. HA has done this for ~ 10 yrs now, and why it doesn't require grinding. I'd like to see more vapes use this combination of techniques in the future.

Nice review, mrweed, thanks.

I owned and used the HA and EQ as my only home vapes for years. Both are good overall multimode vapes, but imo, the HA is superior at more of the required functionality factors, like heat retention, tighter temp control, build, ruggedness, extraction and simplicity of use, than the EQ. In fact, I gave my EQ to a friend, who is a med user in need.

 

[LogProducer]

i would definitely grind the herbs everytime. Sure HA says you don't have to and it will get you high cooking nugs but afterwards if you break the brown cooked nugget up it will have green in the inside and weed smell which show me it didnt extract all the goods. Definitely break up your grass for best efficiency with this device. The real powdery stuff at the bottom of your weed jar with the HA is the apex of grass consumption, i love that shit

never use bags

 

[RUDE BOY]

I never have any green left, after a full session the AVB is consistently evenly browned. It may take a longer sesh to completely extract the goodies from a whole bud. Somehow the sweet taste lasts much longer and the vapor is cooler on my throat.

You can get bigger clouds and have faster sessions with ground herbs but I would rather just shove a bud in the crucible then sit back and enjoy.

I never use the bags either, just not my style I guess. But They can be awesome at times.

 

[nicelytoasted]

I've never seen any green left in the middle or anywhere else, under my USB scope, even with whole, compressed nugs in the HA.

Even at the lower temps, it all comes out evenly browned, albeit a lighter brown.

Although I rarely use them, bags seem to be under rated in here. They sure come in handy for newbs, groups and demos and can be quite potent, in their own way, imo.

 

[LogProducer]

i shoud correct myself. Its not green in the inside when i vape nuggets but definitely lighter and gives off a weed odor when you break up the nug in your hand. Were as grinded up herbs are orderless.

If any of you guys see someone digging through your trash, don`t be alarmed. It`s just me searching for your spent herbs as i feel there's still THC to be had

 

[nicelytoasted]

Not me, LogProducer, I consume my avb by sprinkling it in my smoothies, as a med preventative, to get all the goodies that the plant has to offer, lol.

 

[g0ldik0va]

never use bags

Hi all, I'm fairly new to the forum so nice to meet you all .

I purchased my first vape in November of last year. I bought the Herbalaire H2.2 and I have been pleased with my purchase ever since.

One thing that I remember at the time of reading the reviews for the HA was basically that direct draw method is the best and don't bother with the bags. The reason for not doing the bags was because the reviewers thought that the pump supplied with the HA was not strong enough or something (can't remember exactly what the reason was, but something to do with the pump.)

So based on the reviews that I had read, I only ever used the HA with the direct draw method......until this weekend.

I hadn't ever tried one of the bags and wanted to see what they were like so decided to get one on the go.

I was surprised.

It was.....simply amazing.

Ok, the bags were a little crappy as there was vapor seeping out of holes in the bag where it had split a little (second bag I tried has the same problem, hope they are all not like it), but the taste is much better than direct draw and the effect is more or less the same.

Besides the holes in the bags (which was easily rectified with tape), the only gripe I had with it is that it doesn't seem to get the herb as brown as I get it when I'm using direct draw method. But I suppose I can always use the ABV from the bag and finish it off with the direct draw method afterwards (as I already have been doing).

So my question is, why are the bags no good? From my own personal experience, I have found them to be a very pleasant surprise and wish I had got onto them sooner. Based on my experience a Volcano is certainly high on my list of vapes to get now.

Like I said, I'm pretty new to the vaping community so I'm probably missing something obvious, but you have to learn somewhere .

 

[RUDE BOY]

That's kinda funny @g0ldik0va , I used a bag for the first time with the HA this weekend and really enjoyed it myself. I bought a used HA here on FC and got an aftermarket higher output pump but after reading some of the posts here I used it set very slow and got a few bags of very dense vapor. The third bag I cranked up the pump and it was still pretty nice but much thinner vapor. I sucked down the first two bags really quickly and was blitzed by the time the third bag was filled. Dumped the crucible out and vaped it in the next session. I love how the HA just keeps putting out.

I'm still not in position to use the bags often But now when the situation is right I won't hesitate to pull out the pump and bags. ..............

 

[mrweed]

i think that the pump might be too weak for the multi-bag-adapters, for a single bag it's perfectly fine

 

[g0ldik0va]

@RUDE BOY. Lol, what a coincidence! Glad I'm not the only one liking the bags, but it does make me wonder. If HA is crap for bags and I'm finding it good, it makes me wonder what a Volcano is like. They must be amazing!

With the stock pump it comes with I only seem to get one bag out of it of decent vapour (but I may not be using as much herb, I don't have scales but I'd say somewhere between 10-20% of the crucible is full, not packed down). I did a practically full crucible the other day and got a few bags out of it, but it was the first one that was the best and the second two were quite thin.

I think I may do another bag now and see if I can get another out of it after !

@mrweed. Thanks, that makes sense.

 

[RUDE BOY]

Yeah @mrweed I think its that and some people wanted to blow up a bag in 30 seconds.

g0ldk0va I've read some pretty good reviews of the HA with bags the biggest advantage I see to a volcano is that it reaches higher temps, a valve on the bag would be nice.

Does anyone know of a valve system for bags that can be used with Herbie bags?