Healthy Rips ROGUE 2

[seedy53]

depends of type and grade of said product--post your source

i am going to leave it to hr to explain. i'm out

 

[WildSpruce]

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has the exact same set-up
off gassing of high grade silicone occurs at 300c/572f
edit
the current picture of edge shows exact same set up

You just keep editing your comment.. a simple Google search would dispel your point. Even their articles on their website show the older devices with the blue silicone. Yes I see currently they are selling with black but I got mine many years ago bud.

You can choose to think I am lying but if Healthy Rips wants to step up, I am sure they can confirm the silicone was blue initially on their devices. Does this have any impact? Idk, but it was blue

https://www.healthyrips.com/store/p14/Mouthpiece.html

From their own site for the Fury 2 but the Fury Edge did have the same blue silicone at one point in time. This is just to prove seedy53 wrong. I am not saying the color/material change is the culprit or the only culprit. I am simply proving the Fury Edge (as i bought it) and Rogue 2 are not made of the same components

 

[NOLOGO]

You just keep editing your comment.. a simple Google search would dispel your point. Even their articles on their website show the older devices with the blue silicone. Yes I see currently they are selling with black but I got mine many years ago bud.

You can choose to think I am lying but if Healthy Rips wants to step up, I am sure they can confirm the silicone was blue initially on their devices. Does this have any impact? Idk, but it was blue

Check again:

On the Edge the blue silicone is IN the heated airpath.

On the Rogue 2, the tiny black silicone gasket is NOT holding the screen in place. It's only creating a pressure seal where the mouthpiece touches the main unit. It's absolutely not in the heated airflow.

I'm not saying you don't taste silicone, but I am saying you are not correct about that silicone gasket being in the post-heater airflow.

 

[seedy53]

https://www.healthyrips.com/store/p14/Mouthpiece.html

From their own site for the Fury 2 but the Fury Edge did have the same blue silicone at one point in time. This is just to prove seedy53 wrong. I am not saying the color/material change is the culprit or the only culprit. I am simply proving the Fury Edge (as i bought it) and Rogue 2 are not made of the same components

fury2 is not the edge

 

[WildSpruce]

Check again:

On the Edge the blue silicone is IN the heated airpath.

On the Rogue 2, the tiny black silicone gasket is NOT holding the screen in place. It's only creating a pressure seal where the mouthpiece touches the main unit. It's absolutely not in the heated airflow.

I'm not saying you don't taste silicone, but I am saying you are not correct about that silicone gasket being in the post-heater airflow.

Incorrect, I have both devices. The blue silcone on the Fury Edge only touches the casing of the device. It is beefier, it stays above that recessed pocket and doesnt touch the heating chamber. On the Rogue 2 the black silicone isn't as beefy and sits into the recessed pocket, instead of above it, and touches the top of the metal heating chamber

fury2 is not the edge

Seedy53, I think you are just arguing for arguments sake and proving my "your gaslighting yourself" or you clearly aren't reading. I clearly state it's the Fury 2. I clearly state the Fury Edge used to come with the same blue. HR can jump in if they chose and tell you the same. Why would I come on here to lie about that?

 

[NOLOGO]

Incorrect, I have both devices. The blue silcone on the Fury Edge only touches the casing of the device. It is beefier, it stays above that recessed pocket and doesnt touch the heating chamber. On the Rogue 2 the black silicone isn't as beefy and sits into the recessed pocket, instead of above it, and touches the top of the metal heating chamber

(you may have both units like many of us do, but you only have one month of being a member here, so maybe chill a bit and see what the veteran members have to say instead of coming out the gate angry)

the blue silicone on fury and edge HOLDS the screen, and is therefore getting way hotter in direct post-heater airflow.

the tiny black silicone on Rogue2 ONLY provides a gasket between the top (mouthpiece holder) and the main unit. It does not hold the screen.in place, and is not in the airflow. period.

 

[WildSpruce]

(you may have both units like many of us do, but you only have one month of being a member here, so maybe chill a bit and see what the veteran members have to say instead of coming out the gate angry)

the blue silicone on fury and edge HOLDS the screen, and is therefore getting way hotter in direct post-heater airflow.

the tiny black silicone on Rogue2 ONLY provides a gasket between the top (mouthpiece holder) and the main unit. It does not hold the screen.in place, and is not in the airflow. period.

Dude you are wrong.. the rogue 2 black silicone is holding the screen just like the blue is. It's a screen surrounded by silicone.

One is blue and wider.. one is black and not as wide. What you said here makes no sense. The black is smaller and thus sits intit the recessed area more.

Being a member for a month proves nothing except I'm not gaslit.

 

[NOLOGO]

Dude you are wrong.. the rogue 2 black silicone is holding the screen just like the blue is. It's a screen surrounded by silicone.

One is blue and wider.. one is black and not as wide. What you said here makes no sense. The black is smaller and thus sits intit the recessed area more.

Being a member for a month proves nothing except I'm not gaslit.

pull the black silicone ring off.

do you see how the screen stays in place?

you apparently haven't even had your device long enough to remove the screen for cleaning, yet you're telling us how it works.

I'm with @seedy53 ... I'm out.

Maybe the mods will "guide" you about the rules here (like being nice and not making back-to-back posts) but I'm done trying to explain actual reality to a stranger.

 

[WildSpruce]

https://www.healthyrips.com/store/p81/O-Ring_&_Screen_Sets.html

proof is in the photos.. pics 3 and 4 say all I needed to say

For the record it's seedy53 and you that need to learn to read and be kind

 

[NOLOGO]

https://www.healthyrips.com/store/p81/O-Ring_&_Screen_Sets.html

proof is in the photos.. pics 3 and 4 say all I needed to say

For the record it's seedy53 and you that need to learn to read and be kind

ok you're right (about the design). I was thinking of the way the POTV lobo screen is popped in place and not held in by silicone.

still, you need to write HR directly. Attempting a smear campaign as a 6 week old FC member isn't going to end well for you, nor will it accomplish fixing your silicone sensitivity.

 

[WildSpruce]

ok you're right (about the design). I was thinking of the way the POTV lobo screen is popped in place and not held in by silicone.

still, you need to write HR directly. Attempting a smear campaign as a 6 week old FC member isn't going to end well for you, nor will it accomplish fixing your silicone sensitivity.

I was not looking to smear campaign them. However you and seedy53 made the situation worse. Nothing had to be said until HR replied to my initial post. Seedy53 trying to dispel that the blue ever existed and you adding to that made this worse for them honestly. I do appreciate you taking a look and correcting yourself.

I did email them and then I chose to come here. Getting a device that has "healthy" in the brand name but then being left with a taste of silicone in the mouth should leave anyone irritated enough to question them on a forum.

I genuinely mean no I'll will towards anyone. I know what I have sitting in front of me and being told otherwise was frustrating. My apologies to all

Edit to add I don't think I have a silicone sensitivity. I've never had an issue with all the vapes I have and tried. 2 other people were with me. It was apparent to everyone.

 

[Stu]

For the record it's seedy53 and you that need to learn to read and be kind

First off, welcome to FC. We are generally a very friendly group and our main rule is to Be Nice. If you would like help from the members here, I suggest you endeavor to treat others with respect. Secondly, we have a rule against talking about material safety in vape threads, and you are very close to breaking that rule by implying this device is not safe.

I suggest you wait to hear back from Healthy Rips before posting further in this thread. Perhaps this device is not for you and that's ok. What's not ok is calling members delusional and gaslit.

 

[WildSpruce]

First off, welcome to FC. We are generally a very friendly group and our main rule is to Be Nice. If you would like help from the members here, I suggest you endeavor to treat others with respect. Secondly, we have a rule against talking about material safety in vape threads, and you are very close to breaking that rule by implying this device is not safe.

I suggest you wait to hear back from Healthy Rips before posting further in this thread. Perhaps this device is not for you and that's ok. What's not ok is calling members delusional and gaslit.

Understood but it should go both ways. Misinformation was provided by other members.

I do revoke my delusional and gaslit comments. But I stand by firmly that the taste of silicone exists in a manner never experienced prior, with as many devices I've tried.

 

[NOLOGO]

I was not looking to smear campaign them. However you and seedy53 made the situation worse. Nothing had to be said until HR replied to my initial post. Seedy53 trying to dispel that the blue ever existed and you adding to that made this worse for them honestly. I do appreciate you taking a look and correcting yourself.

I did email them and then I chose to come here. Getting a device that has "healthy" in the brand name but then being left with a taste of silicone in the mouth should leave anyone irritated enough to question them on a forum.

I genuinely mean no I'll will towards anyone. I know what I have sitting in front of me and being told otherwise was frustrating. My apologies to all

Understood but it should go both ways. Misinformation was provided by other members.

I do revoke my delusional and gaslit comments. But I stand by firmly that the taste of silicone exists in a manner never experienced prior, with as many devices I've tried.

again: your test pool consists of ONE unit. Not a large enough test pool to make generalizations.

Speak with HR about exchanging your unit because zero others here have had your experience, so your unit is likely faulty.

If you get another and experience the same taste, then you are absolutely sensitive to the black silicone used in the Rogue2.

 

[WildSpruce]

again: your test pool consists of ONE unit. Not a large enough test pool to make generalizations.

Speak with HR about exchanging your unit because zero others here have had your experience, so your unit is likely faulty.

If you get another and experience the same taste, then you are absolutely sensitive to the black silicone used in the Rogue2.

You also can't say zero others. That is also generalization. Just because I'm the first to bring it to a forum doesn't mean I'm the only one.

I understand we can't discuss material safety. So while I'd like to discuss further on your stance of sensitivity I will mostly refrain.. but I take an issue with a stance of just because I CAN taste and notice it and you CAN'T taste or notice it, that it's acceptable. And if that breaks any rules the mods can delete it.

I'd rather not go back and forth on this. Just as I've dispelled the blue silicone existing.. just as I've dispelled that you were incorrect about how the screens and gaskets sit in the respective devices.. it's not as easy for me to dispel to you that I know I don't have a sensitivity issue. I've used a bunch of devices, with black silicone. I've never experienced anything like this. And I'm not trying to say this is a mean way. I'm just not going to sit and list every device.

I'm going to just wait to hear from anyone else that may have had a similar issue or from HR. That was the main point of my post. Not to be challenged on the legitimacy of what the company did or didn't offer in the past or to be challenged on what I did or didn't experience, or how the gaskets do or don't sit in the device.

 

[NOLOGO]

You also can't say zero others. That is also generalization. Just because I'm the first to bring it to a forum doesn't mean I'm the only one.

I understand we can't discuss material safety. So while I'd like to discuss further on your stance of sensitivity I will mostly refrain.. but I take an issue with a stance of just because I CAN taste and notice it and you CAN'T taste or notice it, that it's acceptable. And if that breaks any rules the mods can delete it.

I'd rather not go back and forth on this. Just as I've dispelled the blue silicone existing.. just as I've dispelled that you were incorrect about how the screens and gaskets sit in the respective devices.. it's not as easy for me to dispel to you that I know I don't have a sensitivity issue. I've used a bunch of devices, with black silicone. I've never experienced anything like this. And I'm not trying to say this is a mean way. I'm just not going to sit and list every device.

I'm going to just wait to hear from anyone else that may have had a similar issue or from HR. That was the main point of my post. Not to be challenged on the legitimacy of what the company did or didn't offer in the past or to be challenged on what I did or didn't experience, or how the gaskets do or don't sit in the device.

How many Rogue2 units have you had issue with again?

 

[KeroZen]

Well I didn't mean to imply you had a sensitivity in the bad sense of the term. It's rather that from experience, and for as long as I've been around on this forum, I've seen times and times again the exact same recurring schema: some members smell absolutely nothing and swear their devices are fine and pristine, while others can detect the silicone smell in theirs and often are told that their silicone is somehow defective or a bad batch or whatever. Let's not forget that a sizeable population of our members still do combust, so there is that too...

My first vape was the DaVinci Ascent. I bought it because I believed in their all-glass vapor path marketing, only to discover the device was shock-full of silicone and I could taste it badly. Then their company rep. told us here that it was normal, that silicone had to cure to off-gas etc. It never did until I stopped using the device altogether years later. No amount of use, cleaning, or airing got rid of it.

You are right that all silicones are not created equal. Colouring agents and plasticizers used in their formulation vary a lot. I do smell them all to some extent though, even the clear ones (I don't use silicone whips for that reason) Some are clearly more offending than others. I could tell you the same advice I've heard repeated often: let the piece air, try to clean it with soapy water (no alcohol tho!) maybe you could get lucky...

But the takeaway is: no-one is wrong here. If you can smell something then there is something to smell. And it's perfectly possible that others don't smell anything. Like it's also possible that you got a bad batch or completely uncured device.

 

[WildSpruce]

Well I didn't mean to imply you had a sensitivity in the bad sense of the term. It's rather that from experience, and for as long as I've been around on this forum, I've seen times and times again the exact same recurring schema: some members smell absolutely nothing and swear their devices are fine and pristine, while others can detect the silicone smell in theirs and often are told that their silicone is somehow defective or a bad batch or whatever. Let's not forget that a sizeable population of our members still do combust, so there is that too...

My first vape was the DaVinci Ascent. I bought it because I believed in their all-glass vapor path marketing, only to discover the device was shock-full of silicone and I could taste it badly. Then their company rep. told us here that it was normal, that silicone had to cure to off-gas etc. It never did until I stopped using the device altogether years later. No amount of use, cleaning, or airing got rid of it.

You are right that all silicones are not created equal. Colouring agents and plasticizers used in their formulation vary a lot. I do smell them all to some extent though, even the clear ones (I don't use silicone whips for that reason) Some are clearly more offending than others. I could tell you the same advice I've heard repeated often: let the piece air, try to clean it with soapy water (no alcohol tho!) maybe you could get lucky...

But the takeaway is: no-one is wrong here. If you can smell something then there is something to smell. And it's perfectly possible that others don't smell anything. Like it's also possible that you got a bad batch or completely uncured device.

Ah you could be on to something, that it isn't completely cured or wasn't cured at all. Or the silicone is touching too much of the heating element. Perhaps a combination of both. Idk, but it really is that bad and noticeable.

You can message me, but after this disappointment I almost sprung for a DaVinci. So you saved me there lol

What are you using currently for a clean airpath? I dont combust at all, I haven't in over 7 years. I don't want to switch to just edibles. I enjoy edibles but hoping to find a good vape. I would stick to the Fury Edge but as I said the battery is failing after 5 years.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Ah you could be on to something, that it isn't completely cured or wasn't cured at all. Or the silicone is touching too much of the heating element. Perhaps a combination of both. Idk, but it really is that bad and noticeable.

You can message me, but after this disappointment I almost sprung for a DaVinci. So you saved me there lol

What are you using currently for a clean airpath? I dont combust at all, I haven't in over 7 years. I don't want to switch to just edibles. I enjoy edibles but hoping to find a good vape. I would stick to the Fury Edge but as I said the battery is failing after 5 years.

Better to start a thread in Ask FC, but I would stay away from all these hybrid session (and or conduction) chamber loaded vapes, I have never been very happy with any of them, although newer DaVinci is much better than the old Ascent I assure you! And different from healthy rips, more purity with artisans

 

[WildSpruce]

Better to start a thread in Ask FC, but I would stay away from all these hybrid session (and or conduction) chamber loaded vapes, I have never been very happy with any of them, although newer DaVinci is much better than the old Ascent I assure you! And different from healthy rips, more purity with artisans

Thank you for this and thank you for the private message. I started a thread and I greatly appreciate the advice and direction given! Going to try some of those out

 

[Exsmoker]

You also can't say zero others. That is also generalization. Just because I'm the first to bring it to a forum doesn't mean I'm the only one.

I understand we can't discuss material safety. So while I'd like to discuss further on your stance of sensitivity I will mostly refrain.. but I take an issue with a stance of just because I CAN taste and notice it and you CAN'T taste or notice it, that it's acceptable. And if that breaks any rules the mods can delete it.

I'd rather not go back and forth on this. Just as I've dispelled the blue silicone existing.. just as I've dispelled that you were incorrect about how the screens and gaskets sit in the respective devices.. it's not as easy for me to dispel to you that I know I don't have a sensitivity issue. I've used a bunch of devices, with black silicone. I've never experienced anything like this. And I'm not trying to say this is a mean way. I'm just not going to sit and list every device.

I'm going to just wait to hear from anyone else that may have had a similar issue or from HR. That was the main point of my post. Not to be challenged on the legitimacy of what the company did or didn't offer in the past or to be challenged on what I did or didn't experience, or how the gaskets do or don't sit in the device.

I also received a Rouge 2 as a Christmas present from my wife. I did the normal burn-offs and iso cleaning. I’ve not experienced any strange taste or smells with mine, in fact this is the first time that I’ve seen this complaint anywhere for this vape. Maybe you simply have a defective one. I’m sure HR will take care of you.

 

[WildSpruce]

I also received a Rouge 2 as a Christmas present from my wife. I did the normal burn-offs and iso cleaning. I’ve not experienced any strange taste or smells with mine, in fact this is the first time that I’ve seen this complaint anywhere for this vape. Maybe you simply have a defective one. I’m sure HR will take care of you.

Yep my wife had the same idea haha

I did the burn-off one time as per the user manual instructions but I did not do the iso cleaning. As that wasn't mentioned in the manual or by the company response, but perhaps a good idea.

HR messaged me not long ago and essentially said that nothing in the airpath is harmful but these are new devices and will come with a "new car smell". And to do multiple burn-off sessions rather than one. Even though the manual only says to do one. That it will disappear with time and using ABV with a few sessions while blowing through the stem, rather than inhaling will help speed up the "seasoning process". Not too reassuring for me personally but perhaps useful for others. So to the naysayers.. HR themselves are admitting to a smell and have a template workaround to get rid of or deal with the smell.

They chose not to address why I'm getting the taste in my mouth. I sent a follow up and will advise what they say.

 

[Octavia]

Yep my wife had the same idea haha

I did the burn-off one time as per the user manual instructions but I did not do the iso cleaning. As that wasn't mentioned in the manual or by the company response, but perhaps a good idea.

HR messaged me not long ago and essentially said that nothing in the airpath is harmful but these are new devices and will come with a "new car smell". And to do multiple burn-off sessions rather than one. Even though the manual only says to do one. That it will disappear with time and using ABV with a few sessions while blowing through the stem, rather than inhaling will help speed up the "seasoning process". Not too reassuring for me personally but perhaps useful for others. So to the naysayers.. HR themselves are admitting to a smell and have a template workaround to get rid of or deal with the smell.

They chose not to address why I'm getting the taste in my mouth. I sent a follow up and will advise what they say.

I haven’t had a HR device myself, but I did have a very similar issue with my IQ2 when I first got it. I deep cleaned with iso swabs and a few burn offs but the smell stuck around. I ended up setting it in the sun (might be hard to do this time of year), then set a fan to blow air through the air intake for about 24 hours, doing a high temp session at the beginning and end of the airing out process. Haven’t had an issue since!

 

[WildSpruce]

While I may no longer be a fan of the product, I will give credit to the HR team. They have been very polite and quick with their emails. I will put their last response here, in case it helps anyone in the future

"Without having your ROGUE 2 in our hands, we can only speculate on what you are experiencing. Please try these seasoning tips before using your device again:

Put some material in your device and gently blow through the bottom intake of the device - then gently blow through the mouthpiece. This will further aid in the seasoning process.

Wet a Q-tip with water and swab out the chamber while holding the device upside down (to ensure that water doesn't get into the heating element).

If you are convinced that the silicone is not fully sterilized, please try another burn-off or two. Then remove the silicone and clean it with isopropyl alcohol and/or dish soap. This should fully sterilize your device, including the silicone. However, you can also boil the silicone seal for extra measure.

We are confident that this will eliminate any factory smell/taste and you can thoroughly enjoy your ROGUE 2. However, if you have any further smell/taste concerns, please contact us and we will continue to help you. Rest assured that we want you to be 100% satisfied with our company and your ROGUE 2.

Please keep in mind that we are closed on Saturday and Sunday. If you contact us on the weekend, we will get back to you on Monday.

Sincerely,
Healthy Rips Team"

 

[HealthyRips.com]

Hi @WildSpruce thank you for being a customer for so many years! You contacted us via email at 5:09AM PST this morning and then posted here shortly after at 5:29AM PST. We are on Pacific time and answered your email 20 minutes after our office opened (and before we saw your post here). We would love to resolve your issue! We answered your email by making suggestions on how to 'season' your device - as all new heating appliances/devices should be heated and cleaned to sterilize them prior to use. Think of a new toaster, frying pan, oven, etc. - they all have a new factory smell to them until they are sterilized. With all due respect, you made this post before we were able to answer your email, and begin to help you.

You mention the blue silicone in our older models vs. the black silicone in our newer devices. Both silicones are the same high-temperature silicone, just different colors. We've been using the black silicone since we introduced our SE (slide edition) devices over 2 years ago - and it is exactly the same on our new ROGUE 2. At that time, we actually reduced the size of the silicone seal.

You state that the silicone seal is touching the metal chamber. The silicone seal seats against the chamber opening - we can assure you that it does not touch the metal chamber. Further, we use the highest heat-grade silicone available - we've been outsourcing the same heat-grade silicone seals from the same factory since 2016 and never had an issue. Silicone is not rubber - the main source of silicone is silica, which comes from sand. Heat grade silicone is used in many high temperature food applications - such as bakeware, air fryers, cooking utensils, etc. High temperature silicone is rated at a minimum of 600°F. It is also inert and does not off-gas - nor leach harmful substances into food or liquids.

All that being said, we sincerely want to help you. Please follow the instructions that we have emailed to you. Please have no worries - we will take care of you - we want you to be 100% satisfied .

*Thanks to all of the members who chimed in with their opinions and helpful tips for @WildSpruce. We appreciate you all very much!

All the best!
HR Team

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