Hash memories (was Best desktop vaporizer for hash)

[herbivore21]

@herbivore21 has covered the Vapman very well. The only thing that I would add is that the Vapman also offers a concentrate screen that sits suspended in the pan. I works beautifully for hash.

The Vapman and the Vapcap are manual vapes. The beauty of these vapes are that they have a simple design. They are extremely dependable because of that; there are no batteries to swap out, maintain, charge, keep track of, replace. No cords or coils or elements or wires to fail. No electricity required. No plastic, no glue, no worries.

I love my Vapman and will never part with it. However, the Vapcap has dethroned the Vapman in my house. The Vapcap has a few advantages over the Vapman.

The vapour produced by the Vapcap is slightly smoother. It's profile is smaller and it fits nicely in your pocket. The accessory Dynastadh holds your Vapcap and your stash and this all fits nicely in a pocket and keeps everything handy.

And, it is super dependable. No parts to breakdown, unless you choose a glass Vapcap $25 US this week, which is fragile due to the basic nature of the glass. The Omnivap $149 US is made of titanium and is virtually indestructible.

Another advantage of the Vapcap is that it works with ANY heat source; bic lighter, jet lighters, campfires, candles, stove elements etc. It can be used when the power goes out or off grid. THAT is dependable.

This is a great post helping to expand on the vapcap, which is the one vape I haven't used myself here.

I can definitely see how the vapcap improves on some aspects of the vapman. Glass/metal instead of wood in the airpath is a major + in my books for a start. The omnivap also looks like a fantastic and very durable item, I will have to get my hands on one methinks!

The great thing about butane flame vapes like this for hash is that the problem of accidental combustion doesn't really exist, hash can stand the heat lol (this problem prevented me from ever bothering with the vapman for flowers - I always accidentally combusted and never was able to get large satisfying hits without tasting overburned bud).

The pocketability of the vapcap is really important to mention as you say too. The vapman IME was not something I wanted to keep in my pocket, even though the case was great and durable!

 

[Squiby]

The great thing about butane flame vapes like this for hash is that the problem of accidental combustion doesn't really exist, hash can stand the heat lol (this problem prevented me from ever bothering with the vapman for flowers - I always accidentally combusted and never was able to get large satisfying hits without tasting overburned bud).

One important feature of the Vapcap that I failed to mention is its temperature indicator. The cap that covers the bowl makes a clicking sound when heated to vaping temp. The temp is controlled by where heat is applied on the cap. Heat lower down for higher temps and higher up for cooler temps. When the bowls cools below vaping temps, the cap clicks again. As long as you respect the clicks, you will not combust. I have never combusted using my Vapcap.

The pocketability of the vapcap is really important to mention as you say too. The vapman IME was not something I wanted to keep in my pocket, even though the case was great and durable!

Yeah, that Vapman case is great for camping and especially fishing. It is waterproof and floats. You won't loose your Vapman if it goes overboard. Great for a backpack. Not so great for a pocket.

 

[Stevenski]

Considering the OP's geographic location & requirements something like the OmniVap seems ideal. Order some spare O rings & a couple of $25 OG's on sale for spare caps/glass/gift for a friend. Herbivore21 is a hash expert so he will certainly know what works.

 

[Melting Pot]

For the reasons above, this is not the right product for the job. Of course, the herb nail is undoubtedly loved for flowers - but for the reason I said above, we need to mod herb nails from either major enail vendor for best hash results and the errlectric just doesn't lend itself to this in the same way.

I definitely am no expert on hashes or anything for that matter.lol
Just figured the vortexing hot air would be good for pressed hashes. Errlectric reaches 850f
With the luxury of being able to dabb as well.
If i came across hash I'd try it in the herb nail.
But would most likely consume it in my vapman.
Or maybe the the versa and the fritted glass concentrate bowl would work well.
Guess now I need to get some hash and do some testing.
The dnails look awesome as well ill take one of each.
What about that new mobious herb thing.
Cant remember the name at the moment.

 

[herbivore21]

One important feature of the Vapcap that I failed to mention is its temperature indicator. The cap that covers the bowl makes a clicking sound when heated to vaping temp. The temp is controlled by where heat is applied on the cap. Heat lower down for higher temps and higher up for cooler temps. When the bowls cools below vaping temps, the cap clicks again. As long as you respect the clicks, you will not combust. I have never combusted using my Vapcap.

Yeah, that Vapman case is great for camping and especially fishing. It is waterproof and floats. You won't loose your Vapman if it goes overboard. Great for a backpack. Not so great for a pocket.

Couldn't agree more on the vapman case. Also yes the clicking feature of the vapcap really appeals to me! Feedback on adequate heat is so important with manual vapes!

Considering the OP's geographic location & requirements something like the OmniVap seems ideal. Order some spare O rings & a couple of $25 OG's on sale for spare caps/glass/gift for a friend. Herbivore21 is a hash expert so he will certainly know what works.

Many thanks for the kind words I agree that the omnivap would be at the very least an outstanding and reliable backup hash vape in the event (as it seems) that the OP would prefer a desktop unit. Otherwise, I'm sure it'd be a great daily driver for hash too. I'd need (and love) to try one for this purpose before I can fully recommend it. But in principle, I support this product for hash - it looks like it ticks the boxes!

I definitely am no expert on hashes or anything for that matter.lol
Just figured the vortexing hot air would be good for pressed hashes. Errlectric reaches 850f
With the luxury of being able to dabb as well.
If i came across hash I'd try it in the herb nail.
But would most likely consume it in my vapman.
Or maybe the the versa and the fritted glass concentrate bowl would work well.
Guess now I need to get some hash and do some testing.
The dnails look awesome as well ill take one of each.
What about that new mobious herb thing.
Cant remember the name at the moment.

Vortexin hot air is only a small part of the battle sadly. A big part of the issue with the stock configuration of the dnail and errlectric herb nails is the bowl is too broad in diameter. Meltier hashes require small loads for HUGE clouds due to high resin content. For this reason, we need a device that efficiently gets heat around a much smaller load than we would use with flowers. What happens when we put a comparatively quite small load of hash into a big flower bowl is that the heating is much less efficient. We end up with some excess hot airflow (even in vortexing designs) that misses/does not pass through the load and just serves to make your throat hotter. For this reason, a narrower bowl is a must for melty hash.

The temps on the dial even on digital controllers like these enails have are nominal at best and absolutely do not represent the temperature of the airflow inside the unit. They are only useful as figures to remember for settings that worked in the past when used in your preferred way with your preferred load etc. I found that I needed to dial in about 880-900f on the dial to get enough heat from the d-nail herb nail heater through the load even when using the custom narrower airpath bowl that I put together (I found it comparatively very ineffective with minimal clouds and very incomplete vaporization when used with hash in the stock 18mm glass bowl they provide at normal temps).

You can imagine how at temps below 850 on the dial with a much broader bowl that is not tightly packed (since the amount of quite melty hash required to tightly pack this would likely be equivalent to 5 up to as much as 20 bowls!) given my explanation above.

This is why a custom bowl design is needed, which is why I made one with easily found gong adapters and concentrate pads. This custom bowl design also works MUCH better for flowers coincidentally lol

The errlectric does not seem to allow for this kind of modification though. The heater/nail portion would not fit on a joint that is narrower than the ~18mm joint it is designed to sit in. By coincidence, the d-nail flower adapter heater fits both. This was not intentional, but very fortunate for hash lovers.

 

[Melting Pot]

Vortexin hot air is only a small part of the battle sadly. A big part of the issue with the stock configuration of the dnail and errlectric herb nails is the bowl is too broad in diameter. Meltier hashes require small loads for HUGE clouds due to high resin content. For this reason, we need a device that efficiently gets heat around a much smaller load than we would use with flowers. What happens when we put a comparatively quite small load of hash into a big flower bowl is that the heating is much less efficient. We end up with some excess hot airflow (even in vortexing designs) that misses/does not pass through the load and just serves to make your throat hotter. For this reason, a narrower bowl is a must for melty hash.

The temps on the dial even on digital controllers like these enails have are nominal at best and absolutely do not represent the temperature of the airflow inside the unit. They are only useful as figures to remember for settings that worked in the past when used in your preferred way with your preferred load etc. I found that I needed to dial in about 880-900f on the dial to get enough heat from the d-nail herb nail heater through the load even when using the custom narrower airpath bowl that I put together (I found it comparatively very ineffective with minimal clouds and very incomplete vaporization when used with hash in the stock 18mm glass bowl they provide at normal temps).

You can imagine how at temps below 850 on the dial with a much broader bowl that is not tightly packed (since the amount of quite melty hash required to tightly pack this would likely be equivalent to 5 up to as much as 20 bowls!) given my explanation above.

This is why a custom bowl design is needed, which is why I made one with easily found gong adapters and concentrate pads. This custom bowl design also works MUCH better for flowers coincidentally lol

The errlectric does not seem to allow for this kind of modification though. The heater/nail portion would not fit on a joint that is narrower than the ~18mm joint it is designed to sit in. By coincidence, the d-nail flower adapter heater fits both. This was not intentional, but very fortunate for hash lovers.

That makes total sence and thanks for taking the time to explain.
One thing I do with the versa is put a basket screen down in the bowl for micro loads. I think this would work great for hash. I wonder if this would work in the herb nail bowl for hash not for herb.
Eq screen also works ill need to try next hash adventure which isnt often enough, unfortunately

 

[wrigleyvillain]

Yeah I went to Amsterdam in 1990 at age 15. The seed banks were still just getting going and only a few certain coffee shops had varied indoor 'kind bud' (Skunk #1-5, Northern Lights #1-5, Skunk #1 x Haze and so on) while most still carried 'regular' sometimes seedy outdoor from all over the world (Thai, Jamaican, Acapulco Gold) as well as hash of all nationalities and colors incl green. And usually just one higher-end "sinsemilla" offering back at this time.

 

[herbivore21]

That makes total sence and thanks for taking the time to explain.
One thing I do with the versa is put a basket screen down in the bowl for micro loads. I think this would work great for hash. I wonder if this would work in the herb nail bowl for hash not for herb.
Eq screen also works ill need to try next hash adventure which isnt often enough, unfortunately

Not a problem sir thanks for your understanding and appreciation

The versa to me seems like it could be great like the Evo with some playing around getting the load in place

Of course the Versa isn't an option for the OP, but I think it could be a wonderful hash vape from my understanding.

Overall, I really wish that more of my fellow US vaporists could enjoy high quality hash. It is such a shame that good hash is often hard to find in so many parts of the world. It is one of the most beautiful things to have been crafted and honed over such a long tract of human history (and we have our brothers and sisters in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan among others to thank for developing these extraction methods over the millenia - for this, we owe a debt of gratitude to these people and their cultures )! Here's to hoping that you guys get plenty of melty hash in the near future!

 

[wrigleyvillain]

Shame indeed. I am finally starting to learn how to make my own, at least. Borrowed bubble bags from a buddy (heh) to start. I just need trim now; waiting on fall.

I've pressed and baked kief into a soft brown disc but thats really just a more efficient and effective way to consume loose trichomes. I can't really call it hashish though I suppose it technically is. It's like flavorless too...though it sure has some kick.

 

[Melting Pot]

I keep asking @DieHard why we haven't ventured off into the art of dry and water hashes. Probably the lack of fresh flowers.
Full melts dry/ wet are definitely the holly grail. Imo

 

[herbivore21]

Shame indeed. I am finally starting to learn how to make my own, at least. Borrowed bubble bags from a buddy (heh) to start. I just need trim now; waiting on fall.

Godspeed to you sir! If you need a hand with technique, shoot me a PM

@Melting Pot same goes for you and my homeboy @DieHard if you guys decide to try out bubble tek

Remember actually dry flowers (not fresh and certainly not frozen at all) are better than fresh flowers for bubble, cured flowers are better still! Resin heads that have fully dried out in low temps (so as not to be overdried and lose flavor!) and pruned up are the best to process IMO and IME.

Trim used for bubble MUST be stored properly, humidity packs are a must for trim. Believe me when I say your trim (and resulting hash) will smell and taste like a bale of hay even if you leave it in a mason jar for a while without a humidity pack (moreso if left in plastic baggies or worse!).

This is why for trim that is used with bubble, we intuitively tend to prefer fresh trim. Trim is usually an afterthought for growers which is often stored inappropriately and by the time we get our hands on the trim, it is degraded and smells old and makes shitty tasting hash.

 

[wrigleyvillain]

I am not even sure I actually know what "full melt" technically means/is. Thats how little hash I have had in my long cannabinoid career sigh....though I guess I could've looked it up lol. Instead I'll just ask you geniuses!

Edit: Noted and thx herbivore

 

[herbivore21]

I am not even sure I actually know what "full melt" technically means/is. Thats how little hash I have had in my long cannabinoid career sigh....though I guess I could've looked it up lol. Instead I'll just ask you geniuses!

Edit: Noted and thx herbivore

My pleasure bro Also happy to help on explaining full melt:

See my avatar? That is full melt. All crystals, melts away to almost nothing. Is able to be dabbed rather than vaped.

EDIT: Here's a better shot of the full melt:

What we mean by 'full melt' is that the hash comprises such a high proportion of isolated gland heads (and importantly, little or no fibres/particulates from other parts of the plant) that when dabbed, it melts away to almost nothing and the only residue left is from portions of the membrane that forms naturally surrounding the resin head.

There are two grades of full melt typically described by hash afficianados. 5 star hash and 6 star hash.

5 star refers to those hashes that leave slightly more residue from the membranes around the resin glands, it doesn't melt quite so readily and doesn't bubble with clear domes - one common reason for this is because the resin was not completely mature - immature heads have had less terpene production take place within - many terpenes, especially the more chemically complex ones develop very late in the flowering cycle. 6 star hash by comparison leaves very, very little residue from the resin gland membrane on the nail when dabbed. It bubbles and melts more quickly with clear domes in the bubbles.

The difference between 5 and 6 star hash is a reflection of the grower generally, rather than the hash processor. You need exceptional flowers to make exceptional bubble hash and to that my friend, there are no exceptions lol.

 

[wrigleyvillain]

So it's really just finely (and properly) sifted heads? You don't have to do anything else before dabbing? I just looked through this too:

http://hightimes.com/grow/tricks-tips-to-make-full-melt-dry-sift-hash/

 

[herbivore21]

So it's really just finely (and properly) sifted heads? You don't have to do anything else before dabbing? I just looked through this too:

http://hightimes.com/grow/tricks-tips-to-make-full-melt-dry-sift-hash/

You got it my friend Just properly sifted heads

That article (especially the step by step close up pics) is very helpful.

Dry sift is also handy for picture purposes (such as the close up shots in that article) since when dry and sifted in the right room, the heads stay separate and whole as pictured there, whereas my shot (bubble hash, not dry sift) shows heads that have bunched together into big crystalline chunks during the drying process due to the use of water.

 

[wrigleyvillain]

Well shit. I know are 'not the same thing' but that almost seems quick and easy compared to the bubble bag procedure...though I havent yet actually done the latter. Gotta get my stirrer attachment for the drill first lol

 

[herbivore21]

Well shit. I know are 'not the same thing' but that almost seems quick and easy compared to the bubble bag procedure...though I havent yet actually done the latter. Gotta get my stirrer attachment for the drill first lol

Remember that dry sifting is very, very time consuming lol. Videos online usually cut out huge segments of the work! Dry sift is somewhat less forgiving too. You are agitating the material and sifting it through screens in one movement. Because of this, you have less room for error due to less opportunity to intervene and salvage your losses.

I love to sift when I get the time though, but that is one hell of a time cost if you want meaningful amounts (BTW, we must all remember here that you should only expect 5-10% yields of dry sift/bubble hash full melt from even very good flowers, let alone trim IME). It is therapeutic work though, and many a hashmaker will testify to that! If you have the time and some wonderful flowers/trim, then there is no question that you should make some of this.

BTW IME you're actually better off stirring by hand than using a drill. Very minimal agitation is required to remove all of the resin over time from properly broken up flowers, and even less ice is required in this agitation. You only need enough ice to cool the water. No more. Ice is not required for breaking up the material much, if at all. A constant vortexing of the water such as is achieved in washing machine style bubble machines is ideal to remove the heads from the material. Remember that mature resin heads are like ripe fruit, they readily fall off the resin stalks with a little agitation - vortexing water causes the stalks to be flicked gently in a way that pulls the heads off the stalks without breaking up the plant material unnecessarily. The water also gives the plant material and especially leaves much more resistance against being broken from agitation.

Frenchy Cannoli is the original source of most of the above information in this post and a friend of his and a friend of mine (who has sadly not posted here for a long time now @Hashtag46&2 If you see this, I hope you are very well brother!) shared much of it with many of us here. It is important to give due credit to those giants whose shoulders we stand upon where we know of them

 

[Baron23]

@herbivore21 - I'm so glad that someone with sufficient expertise was able to help our friend from Pakistan.

I gather that you are either in a legal state or are some how associated with cultivars (or are one) to have access to enough herb to make bubble hash (no, I'm not really asking...none of my business...but it seems like you do have access that many of us in illegal states do not).

Great stuff and thank you for insights on vaping hashish and making it also! LOL

I'm going to wax a bit nostagic here. I lived in the northeast in the early 70's and we got a LOT of Asian hash. Now, just like with bags of weed in illegal states, just cause it was called something doesn't mean that's where it came from.

The slab kind of hash, dark to black on the outside and brown with some green tints inside, often came with a seal pressed in. This was called Lebanese black slab hash but who knows where it came from.

We would also get kief type hash....mostly called Moroccan but some also called Lebanese (particularly if it had a reddish tint). This often came in cheescloth sacks in which it was dried apparently??

Nepalese pencil or finger hash...again, no telling region of origin but it came looking like a slab of pencils during manufacturing before they are cut apart into individual pencils. Good stuff, very dark...dark grey and black really.

Then there was the king of them all....what was called at the time Afghanistan Primo. This came to us in big chunks, was kind of damp and looked like it had white mold on the outside, stunk to high heaven, sparkled when lit up to smoke, and was the baddest ass, hardest hitting cannabis product around at the time. Many said it had opium mixed in it...I dunno about all of that...I just know it hit like a major leaguer and put your ass on the couch. Done! LOL

There sure was a lot of hash available back then before politics, religion, and war ended access (or that's my opinion on what happened).

My state has passed med legal and I have an appointment this Friday with a Dr to be certified. But the state just issued cultivator and processor licenses last week and has not yet issued dispensary licenses. We are a good 6-9 months away from being able to buy. So, while I have sifted some trichomes in my drying box (not cleaned up to melt at all), I never really have had full melt bubble hash (or Live Resin for that matter). I'm looking forward to the variety when our dispensaries open and, who knows, I may try my hand at making some bubble hash or other concentrates.

Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge and thanks to you and the OP for taking me down memory lane a bit. haha

@Functional junkie - another thought might well be the Haze V3 for traditional hashish. It has concentrate canisters that you will and I can't imagine why none melt traditional hashish wouldn't work perfectly fine. Check out this review:

http://www.vapecritic.com/vaporizers/haze-v3/

 

[Functional junkie]

@herbivore21 Thanks man i guess you have provided enough data on everything, i would have wasted money on volcano without knowing all this but u saved my bucks . it will take me a few days to think which choice i will make.
I would have posted the hash i get but i am not smoking any more so no more hash until i get my vape. I am sure no body cares in my country if i post any pics of hash here. I will later.
For now i will talk about the hash we get , here are some pictures of the shops that sell hash in k.p.k . Its brown to dark brown to black colors. It is pressed and stored inside goatskin and it remains there for a while. It absorbs oil from the goat skin and results into a very spicy hash. It has a very strong body high , the one that gets you couch lock. Wish you guys could try it. The best hash in pakistan comes from teera valley. All this hash is smuggled into these shops in main cities of kpk .Though it is very dangerous for me to go to this province locals go there and bring us the delight. And its quite cheaper than what you guys get there. Even though the hash is quite abundant and cheap one has to be beware of police although you can never go to jail for keeping hash for personal use but you have to pay the cop to let you go or else your family has to clear the matter . Got in quite a trouble once. People still associate it with bad character and poor personality. Wish one day people will be more aware here like in US, but that is a long way to go. For now we have to live with it. Cheers thanks for the help everybody.

 

[Functional junkie]

@Baron23 i will check it out too.

 

[Baron23]

@herbivore21 Thanks man i guess you have provided enough data on everything, i would have wasted money on volcano without knowing all this but u saved my bucks . it will take me a few days to think which choice i will make.
I would have posted the hash i get but i am not smoking any more so no more hash until i get my vape. I am sure no body cares in my country if i post any pics of hash here. I will later.
For now i will talk about the hash we get , here are some pictures of the shops that sell hash in k.p.k . Its brown to dark brown to black colors. It is pressed and stored inside goatskin and it remains there for a while. It absorbs oil from the goat skin and results into a very spicy hash. It has a very strong body high , the one that gets you couch lock. Wish you guys could try it. The best hash in pakistan comes from teera valley. All this hash is smuggled into these shops in main cities of kpk .Though it is very dangerous for me to go to this province locals go there and bring us the delight. And its quite cheaper than what you guys get there. Even though the hash is quite abundant and cheap one has to be beware of police although you can never go to jail for keeping hash for personal use but you have to pay the cop to let you go or else your family has to clear the matter . Got in quite a trouble once. People still associate it with bad character and poor personality. Wish one day people will be more aware here like in US, but that is a long way to go. For now we have to live with it. Cheers thanks for the help everybody.

Oh, yes. In a sane world, any of us would be free to travel to buy this and free to consume it without criticism. But alas, that's not to be. If dangerous to travel there as a Pakistani, I think it would be suicide to try to go there as an American.

Please do post more pics when you get a chance.

Cheers

 

[wrigleyvillain]

Man...and Aghanistan is such a beautiful part of the world too and could be a literal goddamn paradise if not for religion, politics, war; just a whole whole bunch of tragic general bullshit. I saw some photo on /r/historyporn from the early 60s iirc of some American on road trip through there were wildflowers and shit I mean it was totally amazing.

People suck.

 

[herbivore21]

@herbivore21 - I'm so glad that someone with sufficient expertise was able to help our friend from Pakistan.

I gather that you are either in a legal state or are some how associated with cultivars (or are one) to have access to enough herb to make bubble hash (no, I'm not really asking...none of my business...but it seems like you do have access that many of us in illegal states do not).

Great stuff and thank you for insights on vaping hashish and making it also! LOL

I'm going to wax a bit nostagic here. I lived in the northeast in the early 70's and we got a LOT of Asian hash. Now, just like with bags of weed in illegal states, just cause it was called something doesn't mean that's where it came from.

The slab kind of hash, dark to black on the outside and brown with some green tints inside, often came with a seal pressed in. This was called Lebanese black slab hash but who knows where it came from.

We would also get kief type hash....mostly called Moroccan but some also called Lebanese (particularly if it had a reddish tint). This often came in cheescloth sacks in which it was dried apparently??

Nepalese pencil or finger hash...again, no telling region of origin but it came looking like a slab of pencils during manufacturing before they are cut apart into individual pencils. Good stuff, very dark...dark grey and black really.

Then there was the king of them all....what was called at the time Afghanistan Primo. This came to us in big chunks, was kind of damp and looked like it had white mold on the outside, stunk to high heaven, sparkled when lit up to smoke, and was the baddest ass, hardest hitting cannabis product around at the time. Many said it had opium mixed in it...I dunno about all of that...I just know it hit like a major leaguer and put your ass on the couch. Done! LOL

There sure was a lot of hash available back then before politics, religion, and war ended access (or that's my opinion on what happened).

My state has passed med legal and I have an appointment this Friday with a Dr to be certified. But the state just issued cultivator and processor licenses last week and has not yet issued dispensary licenses. We are a good 6-9 months away from being able to buy. So, while I have sifted some trichomes in my drying box (not cleaned up to melt at all), I never really have had full melt bubble hash (or Live Resin for that matter). I'm looking forward to the variety when our dispensaries open and, who knows, I may try my hand at making some bubble hash or other concentrates.

Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge and thanks to you and the OP for taking me down memory lane a bit. haha

@Functional junkie - another thought might well be the Haze V3 for traditional hashish. It has concentrate canisters that you will and I can't imagine why none melt traditional hashish wouldn't work perfectly fine. Check out this review:

http://www.vapecritic.com/vaporizers/haze-v3/

Thanks for sharing bro, I love hearing about people's experiences with traditional hashes. Hash has become my fixation! It changed my life! Nothing beats insomnia like hash btw guys!

One thing I'll get out of the way is that while I love my haze, I have not gotten it to perform well with melty hashes. However, I was using a 4.5 star melt hash (this is hash that almost completely melts to nothing, but leaves a little much on the dish and gets a harsh taste from that residue cooking too quickly when dabbed) which requires a tiny load for a very big session. I couldn't hope to fill the entire herb can with this material, it'd become an ocean in there and take the rest of my life to finish the bowl

For hash that is only a bit melty (and which requires slightly larger loads than full melt or near full melt) the haze might actually work quite well! Make sure to use max temp though. The key is getting that espresso packed so you can get the heat into it. Actually I wonder since the haze is more conductive if we might line the inner walls/floor of the herb can with hash and fill the middle with SS wool to promote heat conduction through the load and ensure that the heat from the oven conducts onto the hash quicker? So much to try!

BTW, I have found IME that 'Live Resin' can be harsh compared to cured resin from the same variety and can in some cases even taste very 'grassy' or 'planty'. As I've gotten a little bit older, I've noticed that vapor on my throat can be a bit harsh generally. To compensate, I tend only to enjoy the cured hashes - I find them much smoother to dab on! Of course, there'll be live resins that taste much nicer than the grassy/planty ones I'm talking about. Also live resin IME generally involves solvent extractions from liquid nitrogen frozen, freshly cut plants.

If you are not sure that the source of the starting material for your extracts (whether hash or other oil) is doing the right thing in terms of not leaving residual systemic pesticides or other plant treatments as well as residual nutrients, one really should avoid making live resin out of it. You should also err towards water hash for processing such material (not dry sift, not solvents, not rosin!). Many of these nasties will come away in the wet wash - they can be concentrated with other methods! Remember the scholarly study of Californian concentrates I posted here a ways back - they noticed that the bubble hashes didn't have issues with pesticides, although almost every other kind of concentrate did in large %'s.

Whoa, I get so sidetracked lol, this is becoming the herbivore discusses everything about extracts thread!

Glad to hear you are getting medical sir, it is such a wonderful opportunity and I hope you will be able to grow your own material with minimal delay! I wish I could do the same - that is where making mountains of full melt becomes a possibility!

In another life, I used to enjoy some wonderful light/mid brown sticky traditional hashes from a number of locales. Back in those days though, I combusted as I'm sure my buddy @Baron23 did! Even so, combusting hash is just so much nicer than combusting flowers - even if vaping is better still of course.

I love the spicey hashy taste that hashes get over time when pressed and cured. It is unmatched!

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[herbivore21]

@herbivore21 Thanks man i guess you have provided enough data on everything, i would have wasted money on volcano without knowing all this but u saved my bucks . it will take me a few days to think which choice i will make.
I would have posted the hash i get but i am not smoking any more so no more hash until i get my vape. I am sure no body cares in my country if i post any pics of hash here. I will later.
For now i will talk about the hash we get , here are some pictures of the shops that sell hash in k.p.k . Its brown to dark brown to black colors. It is pressed and stored inside goatskin and it remains there for a while. It absorbs oil from the goat skin and results into a very spicy hash. It has a very strong body high , the one that gets you couch lock. Wish you guys could try it. The best hash in pakistan comes from teera valley. All this hash is smuggled into these shops in main cities of kpk .Though it is very dangerous for me to go to this province locals go there and bring us the delight. And its quite cheaper than what you guys get there. Even though the hash is quite abundant and cheap one has to be beware of police although you can never go to jail for keeping hash for personal use but you have to pay the cop to let you go or else your family has to clear the matter . Got in quite a trouble once. People still associate it with bad character and poor personality. Wish one day people will be more aware here like in US, but that is a long way to go. For now we have to live with it. Cheers thanks for the help everybody.

I am glad to have helped my friend, I will look forward to seeing pictures of the hash you get locally You will love vaporizing hash, the flavor is such a treat!

Thanks so much for sharing man, it is always a privilege to learn about hash in traditional hash producing regions. I am sure despite my abilities as a hashmaker that there are people in your part of the world who have forgotten more about hash than I know about it!

I've actually never had the privilege to see a stamped brick of traditional hash!

Do you find that all hash is stored in goatskin in k.p.k? Or is this just some producers in some locations? I notice that hash gets a spicey flavor to it during the curing process even when it is cured in a sterile/temp/humidity controlled environment under glass. I could definitely see how oils from the goatskin could change the flavor as well though! It is so interesting to hear about these sorts of practices which I have never witnessed myself!

I would love one day to visit your part of the world and see all of this for myself, here's to hoping that circumstances will allow eventually!

One thing I have noticed with some Pakistani hashmakers whose work I have watched on youtube is that direct flame from gas burners (such as the one pictured above next to the man sitting down while the other man makes hash) is applied to the hash during heat pressing.

Do you know if every local processor does this? In my experience, this can lead to a loss of parts of the flavor and active ingredients that cause the high, as well as degradation of some other active compounds. This may be one reason for the strong body high you describe. I find that hash that has not been exposed to heat can have a head-only effect, or can have a body and head effect if lower, controlled heat is used in processing (heat from hands/during pressing for example; I press my product into temple balls for storage, do you guys get temple balls where you are?).

Is any of the local hash more heady in your experience?

I remember seeing Afghan hashmakers quoted in videos and published books remarking that the highest quality, first shake of the flowers is very very melty and it looked very heady indeed! Of course heat pressing and curing can change this depending on how they are done.

The thing I like about hash is that there are so many ways of producing different kinds of hashes for different purposes! It has been great to have the chance to read your contributions already. Thanks for sharing and I look forward to reading more of your posts


Maybe we should change this thread to the 'international hash vaporists and appreciation thread' or something after it has served its original purpose? It looks like it'll have some great hash and vape information as well as hash lore and nostalgia. My kinda thread

 

[Baron23]

Thanks for sharing bro, I love hearing about people's experiences with traditional hashes. Hash has become my fixation! It changed my life! Nothing beats insomnia like hash btw guys!

One thing I'll get out of the way is that while I love my haze, I have not gotten it to perform well with melty hashes. However, I was using a 4.5 star melt hash (this is hash that almost completely melts to nothing, but leaves a little much on the dish and gets a harsh taste from that residue cooking too quickly when dabbed) which requires a tiny load for a very big session. I couldn't hope to fill the entire herb can with this material, it'd become an ocean in there and take the rest of my life to finish the bowl

For hash that is only a bit melty (and which requires slightly larger loads than full melt or near full melt) the haze might actually work quite well! Make sure to use max temp though. The key is getting that espresso packed so you can get the heat into it. Actually I wonder since the haze is more conductive if we might line the inner walls/floor of the herb can with hash and fill the middle with SS wool to promote heat conduction through the load and ensure that the heat from the oven conducts onto the hash quicker? So much to try!

BTW, I have found IME that 'Live Resin' can be harsh compared to cured resin from the same variety and can in some cases even taste very 'grassy' or 'planty'. As I've gotten a little bit older, I've noticed that vapor on my throat can be a bit harsh generally. To compensate, I tend only to enjoy the cured hashes - I find them much smoother to dab on! Of course, there'll be live resins that taste much nicer than the grassy/planty ones I'm talking about. Also live resin IME generally involves solvent extractions from liquid nitrogen frozen, freshly cut plants.

If you are not sure that the source of the starting material for your extracts (whether hash or other oil) is doing the right thing in terms of not leaving residual systemic pesticides or other plant treatments as well as residual nutrients, one really should avoid making live resin out of it. You should also err towards water hash for processing such material (not dry sift, not solvents, not rosin!). Many of these nasties will come away in the wet wash - they can be concentrated with other methods! Remember the scholarly study of Californian concentrates I posted here a ways back - they noticed that the bubble hashes didn't have issues with pesticides, although almost every other kind of concentrate did in large %'s.

Whoa, I get so sidetracked lol, this is becoming the herbivore discusses everything about extracts thread!

Glad to hear you are getting medical sir, it is such a wonderful opportunity and I hope you will be able to grow your own material with minimal delay! I wish I could do the same - that is where making mountains of full melt becomes a possibility!

In another life, I used to enjoy some wonderful light/mid brown sticky traditional hashes from a number of locales. Back in those days though, I combusted as I'm sure my buddy @Baron23 did! Even so, combusting hash is just so much nicer than combusting flowers - even if vaping is better still of course.

I love the spicey hashy taste that hashes get over time when pressed and cured. It is unmatched!

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Thanks @herbivore21 for all of this great info. I do not have a Haze but its appearance and reviews I have seen on it seemed to support its use for traditional hashish. Now, in my experience (which is quite some time ago), traditional hashish did not melt. We were smoking it and there would be dry ash after and we didn't have to worry about it melting through the screen in our pipes like hash oil would do. I don't know what our friend from Pakistan is getting, but if its like the stuff pictured above, I don't think that's stuff is melting at all. So I was just looking for some vape that would contain the hashish while applying high heat and I just thought the Haze was worth taking a look at. If I don't have a vape, or haven't used it for the purpose being discussed, I should just keep my mouth shut (metaphorically speaking LOL).

Yes, med soon. No, my state's med program does not include allowing patients to grow their own (but fuck 'em...I think I might try to set up an indoor grow room for 4-6 plants in about a year). I really don't know much about how to make bubble hash (dry sift, water method, whatever) and have only read about it lightly as I'm not in a position to do it yet. But when I am, I guarantee I will look up my new friend Herbivore21 to help me with his hard won expertise! LOL

I loved hashish. I use to run through about 5 lbs a week as a young criminal but those days are long over. Loved the taste. Loved the effect. I don't have insomnia per se, but I do have a badly injured and only partially repaired back and laying down to sleep is very, very difficult for me. They have thown oxicodone, valium, Lyrica and Neurontin, Prednisone, and Ambien at me...all I want and I don't want any of that crap any longer (except when I have an acute attack once a year or so). But with hard hitting and sedative cannabis products, I can get up to 2 1/2 hours of continuous sleep. Oh, to sleep...perchance to dream. hehehe. So I am very interested in strong indicas and any concentrate that will truly knock me out.

Take care...I really enjoy not only your expertise and knowledge but your enthusiasm for sharing it.

Cheers