Discontinued Ghost MV1

[darbarikanada]

now they are dealing with trying to finish the app so we can set our vapes to be running same software as VCBud was/is using on his units.

I'm confused. if Bud's software was fine, why were the units released after his flawed? shouldn't they be the same as his? it sounds like you're saying a 'glitch' got into the production after Bud got his (pre-production) unit. but if that's the case, why the inconsistency? was this glitch intermittent, only affecting some units being produced? I haven't been following the vape life thread, so maybe this is covered there...

 

[MAbud]

Reading though all these issues, this appears to be the one of the worst vaporizer rollouts in history! lol Imagine if it were a car, or a computer. Or a Broadway show that wasn't quite ready for public consumption. I'm rooting for you guys though Seriously

Agreed. I want to love it because when it gets things right it’s awesome. But so much of the frustration and hassle could have been avoided. And the continued delays on the app make it even more so.

 

[Mr Mellish]

Reading though all these issues, this appears to be the one of the worst vaporizer rollouts in history! lol Imagine if it were a car, or a computer. Or a Broadway show that wasn't quite ready for public consumption. I'm rooting for you guys though Seriously

As someone who waited 16 months for two Grasshoppers and who continues to monitor that shit storm, I disagree. I am loving the MV1.

I liked my MFLB until I tried something else. Haven’t touched it in years. Mild effects and horrible flavor but a nice intro vape. The love it gets is understandable but unwarranted.

My Pinnacle Pro kind of worked but got crazy hot and choked my ass out. The Pinnacle team seemed not to give a shit, even when devices were melting.

My Elevape was the most finicky and difficult to adjust vape I’ve ever had. Great on paper. Horrible in execution unless you geek out on tiny finite adjustments. I like Joe but he didn’t seem to give a shit either.

Maybe I’ve just lucked out and my abysmal lack of technique works. Not sure. Now, I tend to reach for the MV1 first but the Firewood 3 & 4 are right up there. The GH’s would rank higher but I’m preparing for my first rma after 17 months. The Crafty and the Prima fall behind but are still in the running (Unlike most everyone else, I think the flavor of the Crafty is merely a few steps above the MFLB but it gets the job done well.)

In short, I don’t think it’s the design. Otherwise, everyone would hate it. It’s either process, loading or poor re-assembly (or a few bad builds snuck through). I don’t do Reddit or Bud’s site, so maybe I’m short on info. However, it does seem that Bud has become a lightning rod and responses could be skewed (go back and read my posts, I was a skeptic). All I can say is that I am lucky enough to have a unit that accepts that I’m a total fucking moron and still totally fucking delivers.

ETA:

I'm not a total fanboy. I still think the controls suck big time.

I just did the first session of the day. 3 draws at A1, 3 at A2, killed it on A3. Hits nicely and, to my eyes, the abv is pretty evenly toasted (not a great pic).

 

[Brewervapesalot]

what's truly baffling is the discrepancy between what early adopters are reporting and vape critic's reviews - it's like 2 entirely different vapes.

The first couple tokes I took were very good. I was like "YES" in my head!!

Then it's been hit or miss.

I was expecting the vaporizer to be great though. So I've had to be objective and evaluate this thing based on my experience with it--not on the basis of what I expected it to be.

 

[Razor]

As someone who waited 16 months for two Grasshoppers and who continues to monitor that shit storm, I disagree. I am loving the MV1.

I liked my MFLB until I tried something else. Haven’t touched it in years. Mild effects and horrible flavor but a nice intro vape. The love it gets is understandable but unwarranted.

My Pinnacle Pro kind of worked but got crazy hot and choked my ass out. The Pinnacle team seemed not to give a shit, even when devices were melting.

My Elevape was the most finicky and difficult to adjust vape I’ve ever had. Great on paper. Horrible in execution unless you geek out on tiny finite adjustments. I like Joe but he didn’t seem to give a shit either.

Maybe I’ve just lucked out and my abysmal lack of technique works. Not sure. Now, I tend to reach for the MV1 first but the Firewood 3 & 4 are right up there. The GH’s would rank higher but I’m preparing for my first rma after 17 months. The Crafty and the Prima fall behind but are still in the running (Unlike most everyone else, I think the flavor of the Crafty is merely a few steps above the MFLB but it gets the job done well.)

In short, I don’t think it’s the design. Otherwise, everyone would hate it. It’s either process, loading or poor re-assembly (or a few bad builds snuck through). I don’t do Reddit or Bud’s site, so maybe I’m short on info. However, it does seem that Bud has become a lightning rod and responses could be skewed (go back and read my posts, I was a skeptic). All I can say is that I am lucky enough to have a unit that accepts that I’m a total fucking moron and still totally fucking delivers.

ETA:

I'm not a total fanboy. I still think the controls suck big time.

I just did the first session of the day. 3 draws at A1, 3 at A2, killed it on A3. Hits nicely and, to my eyes, the abv is pretty evenly toasted (not a great pic).

.. It could be the HDR on my TV maybe but that doesnt look as even as I'd like it but it does look way more even than the unit I had ever got anything.

 

[KeroZen]

For those having taken my previous post too literally: in case it was not obvious I was talking about the dynamic flow in convection vapes in general, and stem-based ones in particular, and not necessarily about the MV1.

But the point was that a firmware change can not alter these parameters in any way. It can alter the stability of the temperature control algorithm, it can alter how precisely the set temperature will hold etc. It can make devices running obviously too hot run at the right temperature. But it can not change the heater and air/vapor paths geometry.

On the other hand I didn't mean that the MV1 is badly designed, the proof being that there is a sizable number of users reporting an even extraction, including @VCBud in his original review.

Now some users will deem a given ABV uniform or not, some are fine with no stirring because it's not worth it while some will say it's needed because they get a couple extra hits when they do, etc.

I think there's more technique involved than some users wanted to believe, it's perhaps not as idiot-proof as they imagined. Clogging and maintenance/cleaning most definitely has some importance too. And as I said in my previous post, when you extract more slowly and at lower temperatures, the center hot-spot effect can most often be minimized or even totally masked.

PS: full blown charring or even combustion on the other hand is clearly a sign of a problem with the temperature settings and/or the way it's regulated, and this could indeed be addressed by the firmware update.

 

[LabPong]

I'm confused. if Bud's software was fine, why were the units released after his flawed? shouldn't they be the same as his? it sounds like you're saying a 'glitch' got into the production after Bud got his (pre-production) unit. but if that's the case, why the inconsistency? was this glitch intermittent, only affecting some units being produced? I haven't been following the vape life thread, so maybe this is covered there...

At the time just before releasing...the software/app was not finished. So the software was locked to preset heat values on the different heat level settings. The top 2 heat settings were locked out so they could not be used. So when they were ready to ship out the first batch, Ghost thought they would make it better before the app could be released. So they quickly unlocked the top 2 heat settings and assigned them a certain temp. Well....this didn't get tested and cause a bug/glitch in the software that threw off the basic heat settings on what looks like all levels below the 2 top ones. Some report not having problems most report do have problems with the temps being way too hot.

So until we get the app and or firmware to reset our vapes to proper settings.....they will not work as they should.

 

[grokit]

what's truly baffling is the discrepancy between what early adopters are reporting and vape critic's reviews - it's like 2 entirely different vapes.

I'm confused. if Bud's software was fine, why were the units released after his flawed?

Either:

1. the units themselves are inconsistently flawed,
   
2. some users are re-assembling their mv1 incorrectly,
3. or the missing software is the issue, and will fix everything.

I hate to say it, but imo #'s 1 & 2 are much more likely than #3.

 

[Razor]

For those having taken my previous post too literally: in case it was not obvious I was talking about the dynamic flow in convection vapes in general, and stem-based ones in particular, and not necessarily about the MV1.

But the point was that a firmware change can not alter these parameters in any way. It can alter the stability of the temperature control algorithm, it can alter how precisely the set temperature will hold etc. It can make devices running obviously too hot run at the right temperature. But it can not change the heater and air/vapor paths geometry.

On the other hand I didn't mean that the MV1 is badly designed, the proof being that there is a sizable number of users reporting an even extraction, including @VCBud in his original review.

Now some users will deem a given ABV uniform or not, some are fine with no stirring because it's not worth it while some will say it's needed because they get a couple extra hits when they do, etc.

I think there's more technique involved than some users wanted to believe, it's perhaps not as idiot-proof as they imagined. Clogging and maintenance/cleaning most definitely has some importance too. And as I said in my previous post, when you extract more slowly and at lower temperatures, the center hot-spot effect can most often be minimized or even totally masked.

PS: full blown charring or even combustion on the other hand is clearly a sign of a problem with the temperature settings and/or the way it's regulated, and this could indeed be addressed by the firmware update.

I wish this were an issue with the slow draws but I have filled my chamber not even halfway full and have a full edge of green. I've taken the slowest possible draws, long draws, sips, drags etc. After a week with it and LOTS of bowls, it just does not evenly vape. I believe it is a quality control issue myself. As when I take out the heat sink in the device to look at crucible placement, it would not line up correctly. the inner circle of the lid would always be too far or not far enough in to have the inner circle of the lid line up with the path of the silicone. If you take a look inside, there is a metal spring like device holding the bowl in the correct position. It is possible that this spring is not accurate enough to correctly adjust the bowl to exactly where it needs to be every time.

This is a portable vape. Stirring it is a nightmare where you have to open a HOT device, touch an extremely hot lid and then stir around product in an extremely small space. You should NOT have to do this and that much has even been said by Bud.

Clogging and maintenance is fine, although I have found that this device gets gunked on the lid extremely fast (sometimes after one bowl), causing me to HAVE to clean it if I want a more even vaped material which again leads me back to handling hot items which by itself is not a problem but is when you factor in that this is a portable vape. Portable being the operable word.

There is def technique involved with this device but I believe the technique involved is not exactly the technique that is intended or that should be exercised as a compromise with this device.

Even with my edges green in my crucibles, I did get some nice solid hits so I know this device is a killer but it most definately for a lot of people does not work as intended with all the instruction in the world and a lot of devices that have been sent back have had problems with them so you can't say that its just user error for everyone and probably for most due to the above reasons.

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

I would send yours back. Mine vapes evenly all the time. Yours sounds defective.

 

[elykpeace]

So @VCBud tested mine and said not only was my MV1 running hot but the vibration was not consistent which I think contributed my variations of pitch during warm up.. I thought my unit was working fairly well despite the whole crucible ordeal. But I guess maybe I was experiencing it at the correct tuning? So hmm. Maybe I'll revisit this when/if a new crucible design comes around

 

[Vaporcussion]

I'm confused. if Bud's software was fine, why were the units released after his flawed? shouldn't they be the same as his? it sounds like you're saying a 'glitch' got into the production after Bud got his (pre-production) unit. but if that's the case, why the inconsistency? was this glitch intermittent, only affecting some units being produced? I haven't been following the vape life thread, so maybe this is covered there...

Thank you for stating what many people were thinking. I couldn't believe that Bud had this device for weeks and never mentioned overheating, but the Vapescape UK guy experienced overheating within 3 days. It just didn't add up.
However, the answer by LabPong makes sense. Although it doesn't quite account for uneven vaping at lower temps...

As someone who waited 16 months for two Grasshoppers and who continues to monitor that shit storm, I disagree. I am loving the MV1.

Perhaps GH was worse, but I said "One of the worst rollouts", not "The worst" lol Despite the fact that you have a good working unit, this was still quite an unprofessional rollout overall. Anyway, glad yours works, and so effortlessly! I'm aware you bypassed the IQ for this (I went the other way, and I got the IQ) but my VAS is acting up.

Question: If you're out with only one crucible, and you drop the lid and lose it, can you still vape? I can see myself losing lids...

 

[Mr Mellish]

Thank you for stating what many people were thinking. I couldn't believe that Bud had this device for weeks and never mentioned overheating, but the Vapescape UK guy experienced overheating within 3 days. It just didn't add up.
However, the answer by LabPong makes sense. Although it doesn't quite account for uneven vaping at lower temps...



Perhaps GH was worse, but I said "One of the worst rollouts", not "The worst" lol Despite the fact that you have a good working unit, this was still quite an unprofessional rollout overall. Anyway, glad yours works, and so effortlessly! I'm aware you bypassed the IQ for this (I went the other way, and I got the IQ) but my VAS is acting up.

Question: If you're out with only one crucible, and you drop the lid and lose it, can you still vape? I can see myself losing lids...

I think you’re SOL without the lid; you’d be sucking green. Personally, I consider it a luggable, not a portable!

 

[CbdLife]

My MV1 has not overheated on me, I only had un-even abv when I started going coarse on the grind but has since dialed it in, battery kinda drained fast on me this week tho
I will be doing beta testing with the app soon, (android , when ready) will report any noticeable changes.
I want to customize the temp to slightly below Level 2 for wake and bake , and Level 3 for daytime. Think those will be my sweet spot

 

[Mr Mellish]

.. It could be the HDR on my TV maybe but that doesnt look as even as I'd like it but it does look way more even than the unit I had ever got anything.

I shit you not, up close and fur reals, it looked pretty even. Not every luv nugget was exactly the same shade but they were all very close.

 

[Brewervapesalot]

So @VCBud tested mine and said not only was my MV1 running hot but the vibration was not consistent which I think contributed my variations of pitch during warm up.. I thought my unit was working fairly well despite the whole crucible ordeal. But I guess maybe I was experiencing it at the correct tuning? So hmm. Maybe I'll revisit this when/if a new crucible design comes around

Been using my unit the last couple nights. I think it is likely running hot. When you say "vibration was not consistent" do you mean the time between engaging the unit and when the vibration actually occured varied?

Mine definitely varies. Sometimes it is really quick other times it's longer.

I say it's running hot because any setting other than amber 1 (lowest) causes the spent material to taste charred.

That said, on the lowest setting it's been working pretty well these two nights. Definitely not perfectly but I'll definitely be using this more if for no other reason to see if app upgrades dial it in.

Low setting with kief on top works and tastes great. Good clouds just not every time.

 

[junny89]

Just a update for everyone, I tested the unit again last night and have the same issues. Uneven charring.
If I'm correct, do ghost think the temp values are all incorrect?
I don't suffer the over heating or heating issues at all. Gets hot but not annoying or worrisome.
I tried the slower inhale technique and that works wonders, I get some vapor now.
I guess we will all have to wait until the app comes out !

 

[lookhigh]

How much time from purchase does one have to return their unit for a full refund?
Just asking because most seem to be waiting for this app thingy to fix all the charring issues.

I for one will be holding of on buying this.

 

[AtMyVakeSale]

How much time from purchase does one have to return their unit for a full refund?
Just asking because most seem to be waiting for this app thingy to fix all the charring issues.

I for one will be holding of on buying this.

Bud's extended the buyback period. My understanding is that it's good until one week after the app drops.

 

[Summer]

@lookhigh, from what I know, they have suspended sales until the app comes out. It's going into full iOS beta testing by the end of the week, & then it's gonna be followed either concurrently or consecutively with Android testing.

The return was only for those who purchased through VL forum & it's supposedly valid for 7 days after the app is released.

Correct me if I'm wrong anyone!

 

[elykpeace]

@lookhigh, from what I know, they have suspended sales until the app comes out. It's going into full iOS beta testing by the end of the week, & then it's gonna be followed either concurrently or consecutively with Android testing.

The return was only for those who purchased through VL forum & it's supposedly valid for 7 days after the app is released.

Correct me if I'm wrong anyone!

Now beta isnt of the week...? Just keep pushing it back over and over again.

You guys have a lot more patience then me! I got my refund yesterday.



Edit: @Brewervapesalot the vibration would rattle sometimes. And the high pitched noise when the heater is engaged would get more high pitch and then lower pitch

 

[Tranquility]

Bud's extended the buyback period. My understanding is that it's good until one week after the app drops.

Can anyone point me to the actual guarantee? On a quick look, I can't find it. I assume it is because it might have been mentioned in the review rather than put in writing, but, I don't know. As to an "extended" buyback period, that might be tough to enforce legally to those who already purchased the vape. While an argument can be made they did not exercise their right to turn it in for buyback earlier based on the extension (aka in legal jargon "consideration"), that's all it is, an argument. Depending on all the facts, such an extension might not be considered a contract. One might go about protecting their rights based on @AtMyVakeSale understanding by using the proper contact mentioned in any buyback contract/warranty/guarantee and make it clear you want to return it at this time (If that is what you want to do.) but are willing to not use your legal option if the understanding is correct. (That the buyback is extended until a week after the app is generally available.)

 

[Stormsend]

I can confirm I also have uneven cooking of material. Also is it just me or is it annoying to remove material from the chamber?

 

[junny89]

Just to let all UK and outside USA buyers know.
Opened my mail today and saw a Dhl invoice.
You all ready for this??
£130 duty and tax!!
On top of the $335 I had to pay. Haha awesome!

 

[stinkytofus]

Just to let all UK and outside USA buyers know.
Opened my mail today and saw a Dhl invoice.
You all ready for this??
£130 duty and tax!!
On top of the $335 I had to pay. Haha awesome!

Ouch lol