Discontinued FlowerMate V8.0 by Smiss

Mungzta

New Member
First time Vape user, long time toker.... Buddy hooked me up with the V8 for an Christmas gift. Had that weird taste/smell that a lot of people noted, but I vaped up a few pulls off some mint leaves and the taste/smell was gone.

Still getting adjusted to the feeling of being baked via a vape, it feels cleaner... more crisp. Its hard to explain.

First impressions:
Quick start up, gets ready in a snap.

Feels tight when I take pulls, I always get big vapor clouds but its still a little uncomfortable.

Solid build quality.

The rubber top that covers the glass tube ripped off from the connector with zero effort by mistake, but I kinda question its functionality anyway.

Question: What temps have people found good results from? I've been testing between 175-200C but I can't really notice a difference.
 

virtualpurple

Well-Known Member
I am decidedly undecided.

I have only had a few sessions so far (Off my Massdrop, haven't tried the early release model they sent me, still doing empty burn-offs.)

Here's what I can say;

1) I don't mind the design at all. As a fan of the Ascent, I appreciate that it has a similar build and can stand upright.

2) for some reason, it seems more difficult to load the oven than the original flowermate.

3) On both of my models, it seems like the glass is slightly loose in the airpath.

4) The unit is quick and responsive, but it seems like less of a vapor producer than my original FM, my Haze, or my now deceased Ascent. I know that it is much less expensive. However, my previous experience with FM has always been impressive, so they kinda set the bar high for themselves.

5) I have not yet determined how it compares in efficiency, but so far it does not seem as efficient to me as the original Flowermate or the Haze. How do others feel about the efficiency?

6) I am very medicated right now, and though the flavor is not as good as my Haze or Ascent, it is still not terrible for me by any means.

I am using it with my F-bomb currently and do find it a little uncomfortable due to the total length, I will like it better going into my D020 when I replace the 14->18mm adapter.

I am really not certain what the cleaning will be like for this unit. I'm concerned about that to an extent that it will lead to complications over time.

More to follow, but so far my experience is a positive one.
 

KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
@virtualpurple : it's taking me some time to include the FM8 in my daily rituals, as I own already enough vapes to cover my needs fully.

For (1) yes it's not ugly, rather simple design. I really like that it stands upright like the FM5, especially when in front of the computer. I can put them both aside easily on the desk while typing with my two hands on the keyboard, then grab them to get a hit and back.

The 5 minute timer feels too short at first like on the FM5-S but it helps keeping track of elapsed time and the overall session lenght. It's not really a problem as turning them back on is quick, and it shouldn't be the vape that dictates your session lenght: you can restart them how many times you want, or stop them before the first time-out, you stay in control.

For (2) I don't know, I find them both midway between easy and hard to fill but the FM8 has that silicone ring around the bowl and it can catch some particles. @Ratchett created a nice tool for the Indica to cope with the problem, here again some kind of funnel could help. But it's a minor annoyance only.

For (3) you mean the straw is loose in the silicone holder? My two FM8's are rather loose there too, turning them upside down could potentially make the straw fall down.

Now for (4) and (5) it's still a bit puzzling to me. We got plenty of power on one hand, the same bowl configuration as the FM5, but yet, I feel that I need to focus on my draws to get big hits. With the FM5 everybody finds it super easy to get good clouds, but with the FM8 I think you need to adjust and develop the right technic. It's nowhere as hard to master as the Ascent (remember with yours how you had to learn to slow down and sip?) but I don't know... I tried to express it previously, maybe it's the bigger air volume? Or the fact the vapor is pretty cool, so you don't get that much of a throat hit?

Maybe it's a vapor/air ratio problem, but I can't explain why keeping the bottom lid opened doesn't seem to change anything... It feels at times less restricted than the FM5 but you need to take bigger and longer inhalations to get the same amount of vapor. Note that the good aspect is that it is pretty much able to produce the same amount.

I need to keep experimenting...
 

ninick

New Member
hello all,
I just bought the V8 this is my first vape.
but how to remove it not taste good?
it must remove the silicone tip to bottom of the tube?
because very horrible
 
ninick,

stark1

Lonesome Planet
You may want to read the past posts, basically you do some dry runs, or burn offs, until the smell is no longer offensive. That is, empty runs.

OH, and welcome.

There are more answers to your questions here, from more helpful members. Or who are more sober.
 
Last edited:
stark1,

Accuphase

Sorry for my basic English
Finally got my V8 from the duty today.

It dosen't have a euro plug, but as mentioned here before, thank you guys, it works with the higher Voltage in the EU.

You can also set the Temperature to C or F by pressing both + and -.

The smell is the strongest new Vape smell I ever had so far.

Did a few empty runs at high Temperature and a part of the smell was immediately gone.
But the added taste is still annoying. It Probably now needs Time/Airflow to lose the remaining smell.

I took a few hits with an empty bowl to taste it.

If i inhale a lot of air in my lungs after taking a hit of that ugly smell, my lungs hurt a little, so i gues its really important to let that thing gas out instead of suppressing that taste with anything. Imho
 
Accuphase,
The smell on my V8 is gone. I still get a slight rubbery taste at high temps, but it's diminishing little by little. One thing I have found that makes a difference is to only pull out the glass straw a little bit, just enough to hit, instead of pulling it out like a straw. Makes me think it's whatever the vapor travels through from the screen to the glass that is leaching the smell/taste.
 
TheDudeNextDoor,
  • Like
Reactions: Mr H

hukhuk

Member
So I've got my Massdrop V8 unit yesterday. The delay was because of shipping to Europe.
I charged and made some burn ins with some airflow; the smell was not a big problem but the airflow is. The electronic and software are really nice however the temperature control is at the outside of the bowl thats why the actual temp is a little bit off but given the power of the V8 this is not a big problem.

But!! the airpath is borderline stupid: The intake sucks (there is no hole or anything the air gets sucked through the plastic if the unit is closed), Then after the bowl the vapor travels through a metall screen (which will almost impossible to clean I guess) and then the vapor goes through silicone, then trough bare plastic of the inside housing and finaly it gets sucked in the glassstem. While those choices suck because of health and cleaning issues the biggest problem with the build is that there is almost no airflow through the bowl.

Those are the reasons why I dismantled the unit at the first evening. Provisional I tried the unit without the housing and with the naked bowl (well it comes with a heat isolator around the ceramic chamber/bowl) upside down and I put a metall screen above it and then the glass stem on it. The result was bigger clouds then I could ever get before (as expected before dismantling I tried the unit upside down which also works but use a screen otherwise you will breath in the herbs).

As I said before the electronic and heating chamber are really nice and I'm thinking about building a new case out of wood and maybe attach the tempsensor in the inside of the bowl.

Unfortunatley I had no idea how to dismantle it correctly so the original housing got destroied in the process (no big deal for me because it sucks anyway). Now I know how to dismantle it with just minor damage in case someone is curious: The top and the bottom are silver stickers and there are screws underneath em. If you want to dismantle then start at the top side release those 4 screws and the inside will go out of the bottom.
I made pics of the inside and the airpath if someone wants to see em just ask I will upload em.

I think with a new housing/airpath this could be a really good and powerful vape; btw the batteries are 3x12V 2000mah/7.4 wh
 
Last edited:

Accuphase

Sorry for my basic English
I Would really like to see some pictures. I guess a lot of other people here would too.

Finally someone got the Balls to disassemble this thing, thank you for that :)
 

KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
Finally someone got the Balls to disassemble this thing, thank you for that

Careful dude, I'm taking that a nagging directed at me! As the guy said he had to destroy his device in order to learn how to open it properly... so it's easy to hint in retrospect that I could have figured it.

@hukhuk : I've never seen any vape where the temperature sensor is *inside* the bowl, so it sounds normal that it's outside.

The intake sucks (there is no hole or anything the air gets sucked through the plastic if the unit is closed)

This isn't true, I posted a picture of the air path in the first page of this thread. Air enters via the holes on the side of the unit, then travels through the hinge into the bottom lid, then through screen and bowl etc.

While those choices suck because of health and cleaning issues

I agree on the cleaning aspect but not on the health one. It's food grade silicone like in the Ascent.

I thank you for your contribution and would like to see your pictures, but it seems you didn't read the thread at all...

I'll try to use the device upside down with the lid opened, that's not a bad idea. I think the vapor/air ratio is somewhat problematic for reasons similar to the Ascent and also because they removed the internal glass straw for the mass production run. There's a lot of volume to clear before getting vapor, but by taking larger hits that I'm used to with my other vapes, I'm able to get reasonable clouds, with the device in stock form.
 
KeroZen,

Accuphase

Sorry for my basic English
Careful dude, I'm taking that a nagging directed at me! As the guy said he had to destroy his device in order to learn how to open it properly... so it's easy to hint in retrospect that I could have figured it.

I didn't intended to nag you at all, sorry if it didn't came out right.
Your Posts are probalby the most informative ones in this whole Thread and
I really thank you for that, because there weren't much infos out on this device when the drop ended on MD.

When i got my V8 two days ago I was looking if i can find some hidden screws to open the
device up too, but since i wasen't sure about it and i didn't wanted it to be damaged I just resigned.
Of course it is, if your willing to destroy your Device or at least the housing, not
complicated to open it up and then reverse engineer how to open it correctly.
And it was just a matter of Time untill someone would do that and now it happend.

maybe attach the tempsensor in the inside of the bowl.

I don't have a large vape collection like others here just 3 portables and a vulcano but i don't
think that any vape will have the temp sensor inside the bowl.
In the engineering process they probably measurt the actual temp inside of the bowl and then
just read out the value of the temp sensor (Voltage Drop caused by a NTC PTC or... i don't know what they put in there) for the whole heating range and then create a look up table or a easy polynom to get the temp from
the value you get from the temp sensor and because of tollerances you allways will get a offset.

I mean even the Vulcano dosen't show you the exact Temp it varies by a couple °C and also oscillates arround the Temp you setted.

I mean the showen temp probably varies from the actual temp because of tolerances, but
if you just measure the temp inside of the bowl yourself and compare it to the showen temp
you can make look up table for yourself and then know the pretty much exact temp.
Also the Temp will varie with empty or full bowl.
 
Last edited:
Accuphase,
  • Like
Reactions: KeroZen

Mr H

New Member
The smell on my V8 is gone. I still get a slight rubbery taste at high temps, but it's diminishing little by little. One thing I have found that makes a difference is to only pull out the glass straw a little bit, just enough to hit, instead of pulling it out like a straw. Makes me think it's whatever the vapor travels through from the screen to the glass that is leaching the smell/taste.

I have this theory too,I have been testing the straw at different lengths and it does seem to make a difference to me.

I'm still struggling to get rid of the smell but hopefully it will be gone soon as I'm using it a lot more due to my V5.0s dying on me,but I'm struggling to get as good hits on the V8,I could get some really throat tickling blasts on the V5.0s.

Maybe I just have to learn a different technique of toking on it and also packing my herbs the correct way in the chamber.
 
Mr H,

hukhuk

Member
Sorry for the late update have been busy recently
pics: http://imgur.com/a/Xfvt4
Regarding the heat sensor it seems like no big deal that it is on the outside I've tested it with blowing air on it etc. it will reach the correct temp. The software is a little bit funny if the actual temp reaches the set temp the actual temp will lock but only if its on the set temp or above (so you will still see if it's less).
You can check this by letting it heat up to a set temp and then immediately hold power for 2sec and then revive the unit fast then the actual temp should be a little bit higher then the set temp. Not a big problem since he heating of the inside is not that responsive but I felt like mentioning it.

This isn't true, I posted a picture of the air path in the first page of this thread. Air enters via the holes on the side of the unit, then travels through the hinge into the bottom lid, then through screen and bowl etc.

I've seen your picture and its incorrect.
The holes are just for cooling. Air doesn't travel through it.
While there are also holes in the bottom part under the chamber, there are no holes on the otherside.
But since those holes under the chamber are so small most air will get sucked from the slit between bottom and top part (Not ideal but also not a big deal since nothing is heated up there).

I agree on the cleaning aspect but not on the health one. It's food grade silicone like in the Ascent.

It's food grade silicone but the vapor will touch the plastic of the housing before getting inhaled. Personally I don't really care about the health part (I used to smoke a lot so almost everything is better) but maybe other users don't want a vape in which the vapor touch plastic. Note I dismantled it because of the bad airflow not because of the health concerns




This vape could have been so much better by another design :( There is enough space to build a straight airpath and then use 2xremoveable glasses like in the Ascent. And the air intake would be easy to fix.
I plan to build a wood housing but I got no router so not sure if I'm able to do so


edit:
I have this theory too,I have been testing the straw at different lengths and it does seem to make a difference to me.

Yes that might be because if the straw is too far outside it will rather suck the air through the topside then through the chamber the screen is very fine so not much air goes through it and the top side doesn't seem to be 100% sealed.
 
Last edited:

KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
I've seen your picture and its incorrect. The holes are just for cooling. Air doesn't travel through it. While there are also holes in the bottom part under the chamber, there are no holes on the otherside. But since those holes under the chamber are so small most air will get sucked from the slit between bottom and top part

First of all it's not my picture, it was sent to me by my Smiss contact. In fact I had the same reaction as you did at first, wondering where fresh air was drawn in, then they sent me the picture to explain me and I never questioned it.

It turns out we are both right, and thanks to you I was able to open both of my FM8's to have a detailed look and found some interesting things. Here is a picture of the bottom lid with the internal screen removed:

IWO6woL.png



The first red arrow shows the cuts inside the bottom part where the air can flow, the second arrow shows that there's a gap all around anyways to draw air from, and the yellow arrow shows the bottom hole (more on that later)

C5t1Kz7.png



Here we can see a better view of the bottom part of the lid, naked this time, with the knife pointing at the cuts where they meant air to be drawn from. This air is supposed to be sucked from the exterior holes on the side of the device body and flow through the hinge, which indeed is hollow (red arrow):

5H101KS.png



This is where it becomes a bit weird: on the other side of the hinge there is only a very small gap between the metal hinge tip and the metal support rod, and this gap leads to the empty space where indeed some air can be drawn from the body side holes...

But this empty space unfortunately is not completely isolated from the electronics section: a part of it is opened to let the bowl wires pass, and it leads to the PCB's and batteries area... so do we really want to draw air from this area? Seeing how convoluted this air path is, I think the "convection effect" from pre-heated air flowing around the heater is super limited anyways.

So we are both right in the sense that in theory air can be drawn from the body side holes, but in practice, it's likely to come as you said more from the gap between the lid and bowl (with the silicone seal)

But here's what I found and it's a very easy fix. In the next picture you can see the bottom lid with the sticker removed seen from below and the knife is pointing at the "bottom hole" that is directly facing the bowl (sorry for the crappy focus):

o5BRbCr.png



With a marker pen mark the hole on the sticker. It's exactly center width and 2.6cm from the side (bevel included):

xkrc7SG.png


I used a lighter to make the tip of my screwdriver hot enough to melt the sticker plastic, and using a twisting movement was able to drill a clean hole in the sticker, opening the "bottom hole" and allowing a direct bypass of the convoluted air path by letting fresh air come directly from the exterior:

BivqmkE.png



As I said previously, having the lid closed or opened doesn't really change the air flow in practice, so don't expect a big change with this fix but at least it creates a less complicated air path with less risk to suck air from the electronics section.

The first device I opened was the pre-production sample so next picture shows the glue they used (white silicone bonding adhesive) to seal the black silicone piece at the bottom of the bowl and create a tight seal around the no longer existing internal glass straw, with its top protruding:

zKH29gs.png



In my second device this part is not glued anymore meaning there is a potential for air leaks here, even if in practice this silicone part is pressed against the plastic and held in place by another plastic piece not shown above (this piece clips on the 4 pins you can see on the right of the picture, and there are 4 other pins on the back side)

Here is for reference a picture of the internal glass straw. As you can see again it's a bit convoluted, and they reported having tolerance issues with this part, so they replaced it with the "stainless steel tube", more on that afterwards:

0WPtOQA.png



In the next picture you can see the silicone part seen from below, on the pre-production sample, with the internal glass straw removed. As you can see the glass straw top goes directly into the slot facing the bottom of the ceramic bowl, where only 5 small holes are drilled:

4Jx3i3g.png



Now on the production sample you got this stainless steel tube and as you can see there are two problems: first it should have a cut on its side to let vapor flow to the "elbow" corner of the silicone but it only has 4 tiny slits and is otherwise flush with the silicone bottom. The second problem is that it only has 7 tiny holes, many of which were already clogged in my device. This is I think a big problem for airflow and can only get worse over time:

AdvoPvW.png



Here you can see the stainless steel tube better, once removed:

RiI3FTU.png



So my advice for a second fix would be to remove this piece altogether, to improve air flow and ease maintainance. I know it won't be a solution for you guys but I was able to swap mine with the internal glass straw of the pre-production device, getting something closer to the intended design.

I did a short test (with this fix plus the intake hole fix) and it was clearly better, even if not perfect.

By the way to open the device you need to use an exacto knife and you can raise the top sticker cover at the location pointed by the red arrow in next picture. If you are careful you won't damage it but even if you do, here's what the top looks like with no sticker (it's not that ugly so you could live without):

PV2uPUC.png



This means it should be relatively straight forward to open your device for maintainance and cleaning!

Last but not least, here's a picture of the exact battery specs and model number. It should be servicable with two wires to solder, provided they come with the small PCB built-in (to be confirmed):

Ws5Q1Ai.png




You can check this by letting it heat up to a set temp and then immediately hold power for 2sec and then revive the unit fast then the actual temp should be a little bit higher then the set temp. Not a big problem since he heating of the inside is not that responsive but I felt like mentioning it.

Yes I told them there was some overshoot and the PID parameters could be better tuned. Maybe it will be for the next revision.

It's food grade silicone but the vapor will touch the plastic of the housing before getting inhaled.

My bad I was a bit quick when poking around the "air tunnel" inside the device, and indeed this part is made of hard plastic, exactly like in the Ascent. So yes technically the vapor travels through some plastic (and even more now that the internal glass straw has been removed)
 
Last edited:

Mr H

New Member
Airflow is the second of the problems for me (doesn't sound hopeful about those holes in the tube that were blocked),it's the fact that it makes my herbs taste like total and utter shit even after a weeks solid use that really really bugs me.

I'm going to send this bullshit back if I can and get an Arizer solo if that's as good as people say it is and just keep using the awesome V5.0s that works a treat and does exactly what it's supposed to do.

I'm sure there was a post on here about someone trying to send the massdrop unit back but it's eluded me.
 
Mr H,

hukhuk

Member
Nice pictures :) Oh and my bad I didn't notice the hole (well why the heck did they cover it with a sticker) but given how restrictive the bottom screen is most air will come from the slit. Wow I really would like to have the glass from your beta unit. So far I've failed to create a new housing I really need more tools :(
But I've been using the vape naked with a screen inside of the glass and by putting the glass in the chamber it works rather well but for others it looks like I'm doing some kind of space crack and it's not portable this way :)
Tomorrow I plan to buy a nice piece of wood and try my best to get some space inside by using a drill.. Was about to buy a router but 40 Euros just for a one time use seems a lot.
 
hukhuk,
  • Like
Reactions: KeroZen

max

Out to lunch
This is I think a big problem for airflow and can only get worse over time:
I just picked out one comment from your very useful post on the inner workings of this model, but that alone is enough to make me glad that the V8 never appealed to me. I don't care for the size, even if it had no issues. But it makes me wonder if Smiss got in over their heads in designing this model. They kept it simple with the 5, and IMO copied the basic original DaVinci design. Now they've returned to that model, adding variable temp instead of just 3 options, and offering a mini 5.0. Good move IMO.

Seems like the V8 needs some major changes in order to reach the quality level of the 5 series. For the sake of the company's reputation and those who like this model, I hope they get it done.
 

Pain

Well-Known Member
The V8 produces vapor well enough but the taste is still sort of funky. With these pics I can now see why with all that plastic and silicone. When I got it I was under the impression that it was all glass and steel vapor path like the Solo.
 
Pain,

max

Out to lunch
The V8 produces vapor well enough but the taste is still sort of funky. With these pics I can now see why with all that plastic and silicone. When I got it I was under the impression that it was all glass and steel vapor path like the Solo.
High quality, high temp plastic was available back in '08 when iolite came out with the first (non flame powered) pocket portable. It really shouldn't be a big taste/smell issue. If they're using subpar materials then shame on them. Silicone is temp rated up to 500 degrees F and is not an issue for taste or odor when used in some other brands. Whatever the problem is though, they need to fix it. It seemed at the time like they rushed this model to market and now it's obvious that they did. I hope they just didn't get lucky with the 5 series. :\
 
max,

Accuphase

Sorry for my basic English
Yes I told them there was some overshoot and the PID parameters could be better tuned. Maybe it will be for the next revision.

At least we got a nice correction time, i think the parameters are oke for device such cheap :)
I don't know the correct control engineering terms in Englisch
(Regelungstechnik, Anregelzeit in German)
 
Accuphase,
  • Like
Reactions: KeroZen

coursesix

New Member
I purchased this from the MassDrop deal. It is my first vaporizer. Although it worked well initially, now the battery does not charge and the device is unusable. I have only used it a total of ~5 times. Naturally, I'm very disappointed as I now have a $78 paperweight. :(

Does anyone know if these devices carry a warranty? Thanks for your help.
 
coursesix,

AudioGD

Well-Known Member
I purchased this from the MassDrop deal. It is my first vaporizer. Although it worked well initially, now the battery does not charge and the device is unusable. I have only used it a total of ~5 times. Naturally, I'm very disappointed as I now have a $78 paperweight. :(

Does anyone know if these devices carry a warranty? Thanks for your help.

http://www.flowermateusa.com/
Email:
info@flowermateusa.com
sales@flowermateusa.com


Their website does not function very well, guess you could email them, they also have a Facebook page
 
AudioGD,

coursesix

New Member
http://www.flowermateusa.com/
Email:
info@flowermateusa.com
sales@flowermateusa.com


Their website does not function very well, guess you could email them, they also have a Facebook page

Thanks for your help. I tried contacting them through their website, along with the flowermate.eu site, as well as MassDrop and have not heard a reply. I will try e-mailing those addresses and if I still don't hear anything, can try on Facebook. I was stoked to finally fuck combustion, but I guess that will have to happen another day.
 
coursesix,

Happy Magpie

New Member
mine just stopped automatically coming up to temp when restarted. It always starts out at 22C now. I really like my IMAG Plus, I see two for 50$ with free shipping. The new model with ceramic ovens instead of iron.
 
Happy Magpie,
Top Bottom