chicago_animal
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Button top or not...and what's a Button top?
Firewood Vaporizer
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Button top or not...and what's a Button top?
moondog
It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
They need to be flat-top, right? Not button top.
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reckoner
I've been using my unit with Samsung 25Rs. I'm getting ~4 bowls per battery so far. That's taking the battery level down to 1 or 2 buzzes before swapping out.
I haven't had any issues with performance so far. You do have to wait 3-4 seconds between actions (i.e. checking battery level, changing temps, engaging heater, etc.) to ensure each click registers properly. Not a huge deal, but can be annoying at times.
It does seem like a full pack works best. The bowl is a little large for my taste in that regard. However, it still performs well with a half pack. Just not as well.
As others have mentioned, the cloud production ramps up when you hit it multiple times in a row and allow the unit to build up some heat. The learning curve hasn't been too bad. I've been able to achieve some solid clouds with minimal effort. My draws tend to be around 15 seconds each, give or take. I don't find the draw sensor to be overly sensitive. I do trigger it on occasion, but for the most part, it's fine.
I've stuck with my initial temp settings of 390-410-430 so far. The flavor is pretty good. I'm pleasantly surprised at how cool the vapor is given the short air path.
Overall, I'm happy with the unit. It's been a solid experience all around. I just don't know how much use it will get from me long-term. I've been using it a fair amount since it's new, but I mostly vape at my desk, and it can't compete with my Woodscents. Still, I do enjoy the self-contained design, and I don't see a better option for a true portable right now (for my specific needs and preferences).
I haven't had any issues with performance so far. You do have to wait 3-4 seconds between actions (i.e. checking battery level, changing temps, engaging heater, etc.) to ensure each click registers properly. Not a huge deal, but can be annoying at times.
It does seem like a full pack works best. The bowl is a little large for my taste in that regard. However, it still performs well with a half pack. Just not as well.
As others have mentioned, the cloud production ramps up when you hit it multiple times in a row and allow the unit to build up some heat. The learning curve hasn't been too bad. I've been able to achieve some solid clouds with minimal effort. My draws tend to be around 15 seconds each, give or take. I don't find the draw sensor to be overly sensitive. I do trigger it on occasion, but for the most part, it's fine.
I've stuck with my initial temp settings of 390-410-430 so far. The flavor is pretty good. I'm pleasantly surprised at how cool the vapor is given the short air path.
Overall, I'm happy with the unit. It's been a solid experience all around. I just don't know how much use it will get from me long-term. I've been using it a fair amount since it's new, but I mostly vape at my desk, and it can't compete with my Woodscents. Still, I do enjoy the self-contained design, and I don't see a better option for a true portable right now (for my specific needs and preferences).
Lozo
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I've only just received my FW6, my experience of this incredibly built wooden functioning piece of art is fantastic. I agree with @letter never sent said above and what @Soda said about the batteries. The battery type does seem to effect the end result with the LG-HG2 giving the lightest coloured ABV.
I rarely trigger the draw sensor as I don't feel like I should be inhaling any quicker, it seems like a very natural pace for me.
I haven't changed anything from the stock temperature settings and get visible vapour on even the lowest setting (even with the LG batteries), I take a few draws on that setting, few on level 3 then 4 and I end up with very even and dark brown ABV. Level 4 with the stock temps I get nice clouds, perhaps not as dense as my Splinter Z but effects seem slightly more potent with the FW6. I'm not sure why that is, maybe I'm more used to the vapour signature of the Z and the FW6 is new to me.
I haven't tried it with anything but full loads so can't comment on anything smaller, medium / fine grind, light tamp and it's happy days
As an all in one portable, I think it's a really great device. I'm super happy with it for sure.
I rarely trigger the draw sensor as I don't feel like I should be inhaling any quicker, it seems like a very natural pace for me.
I haven't changed anything from the stock temperature settings and get visible vapour on even the lowest setting (even with the LG batteries), I take a few draws on that setting, few on level 3 then 4 and I end up with very even and dark brown ABV. Level 4 with the stock temps I get nice clouds, perhaps not as dense as my Splinter Z but effects seem slightly more potent with the FW6. I'm not sure why that is, maybe I'm more used to the vapour signature of the Z and the FW6 is new to me.
I haven't tried it with anything but full loads so can't comment on anything smaller, medium / fine grind, light tamp and it's happy days
As an all in one portable, I think it's a really great device. I'm super happy with it for sure.
caseball2051
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I've been using brand new lg hg2s that I bought specifically for my fw6.
I'm consistently able to fully extract 5 loads on a single charge with them.
I use 30Qs with my lil bud. I will do some testing an report back someday.
I'm consistently able to fully extract 5 loads on a single charge with them.
I use 30Qs with my lil bud. I will do some testing an report back someday.
dac13
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I've had my firewood for about 2 weeks. been using 2 new LG h2s the whole time. I set my top 2 temps to 410-420 and 440-450 and I only have been using the top 2 because even those weren't making the abv that dark. I'd say I was getting pretty good results, but definitely had more technique than I hope for. I used the FW3 and 4 a lot and with the 3 especially I got the best results from varying my inhale every couple seconds from very slow to a faster like a wave, letting the heat catch up I always assumed. I used a similar technique to get good results with the fw6. but if I tried breathing in relatively faster at a constant pace, still not getting any overdraw buzzes, the abv would be toasted but medium brown was usually the darkest I got. I have been using a fine grind and lightly pack down with the pick tool every time. I don't get good results with coarse grind and/or loose pack. half loads perform pretty similar, only slightly worse. But I think the pack and grind help make it more similar to the full pack. after reading Sodas post I pulled out an old Q30 from my tubo and in 2 sessions I got 2 bowls darker than any I've had the past 2 weeks, started getting some black since I was still using max temp. I also tried breathing in fast with constant pace and got great results from the first hit, no need to vary my breath speed at 420-450, it honestly seems like the heater got more powerful overnight. Will do more research 
but can't be just be a coincidence that me and Soda had the same experience.
TLDR; seems like Q30 battery makes my FW6 perform a lot better than my LG HG2
but can't be just be a coincidence that me and Soda had the same experience.TLDR; seems like Q30 battery makes my FW6 perform a lot better than my LG HG2
hippogriff
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People who’ve had a FW5 and now have a 6 - are they similar in terms of technique? Have we taken a backwards step to a more finicky vape?
Edit: my bias is my FW5 suited my use really well, 5-8 draw sessions, fine w slow cloud buildup, love the effects, powerful enough to function as my only vape (Splinter gathered dust), usually skip the darker ABV and couchier effects. Love the new form factor, don’t need stronger heater, but not willing to go backwards to more technique than the 5.
Edit: my bias is my FW5 suited my use really well, 5-8 draw sessions, fine w slow cloud buildup, love the effects, powerful enough to function as my only vape (Splinter gathered dust), usually skip the darker ABV and couchier effects. Love the new form factor, don’t need stronger heater, but not willing to go backwards to more technique than the 5.
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Brewervapesalot
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Right there with you. Still waiting for my FW6 to get back from Marc. If the FW6 remains consistent with FW5, and produces more even ABV, I would be happy and deem it a slight upgrade, more like just different features.
NOLOGO
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Thanks for all the battery info y'all! I bought 3 efest batts for my fw5 about a year ago. That's all I've been using so far with the fw6, and I'm starting to wonder if that's why I'm unable to get abv darker than light brown. I have temp 4 set to 420, which is a lot higher than I ever set my over vapes. And it still leaves the abv that light
Anyone else have experience with these efest batts? I bought them because they were one of the recommended brands in the list on the FAQ page.... which, incidentally, seems like is due for an update, based on what y'all have been saying about the Q30
Anyone else have experience with these efest batts? I bought them because they were one of the recommended brands in the list on the FAQ page.... which, incidentally, seems like is due for an update, based on what y'all have been saying about the Q30
Trulukkyphrank
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Hi, I have also the fw5 and was not sure if I ''need'' another one, but pulled the trigger also in mind to support marc and the vaporizer looked just very interesting!
After a good week of use I'm still impressed by the fw6, I have a lot better extraction and better taste than with fw5, the new heater and new oven shape working wonders! My load looks very even dark on stock setting 4, in the fw5 I was happy because it worked but the load was NEVER even dark. I can say for me this is an upgrade from the fw5, not a world changing one but in the details it really got better. First I wasn't a fan of the on board container, tought it's just a waste of space, but now in usage it's very helpful.
For the batterys I use Sony VTC5A same as in my fw5.
I'm glad that my battery post seems consistent with what others are experiencing, for a second there I really felt that I was in borderline tinfoil hat territory. A week of convincing myself that I was not crazy while trying to pay attention to cloud size and AVB color was a challenge in itself haha. I'm very curious to see how many of the people from earlier post complaining about the FW6 power and efficiency were using HG2s. I know that HG2s were always the best performing battery with FW products in the past so i'm sure a lot of the early adopters had them laying around.
@NOLOGO EFEST batteries are generally rewraps of LG, Sony, and Samsung batteries. They're typically exaggerated on the advertised performance. Not sure who recommended those but the performance between batteries for EFEST batteries vary pretty wildly.
The draw speed for the FW6 is hard to compare with the FW5 because the FW6 draw speed seems to vary depending on your battery.(From my personal experience) I'd say with the VTC5-A and the FW5 the draw speeds are pretty much identical and if one is "easier" to use than the other its pretty negligible. The 30Q allows you to rip it harder than the 5 allowed you to. The HG2 is board line MFLB or I don't even know, you have to mouth pull but its like a mouth sip? I cannot reiterate enough how bad my experience using the HG2 with the FW6 was lol. So long story short, for the draw experience/draw ease of use:
FW6 w/ 30Q > FW5 = FW6 w/VTC5A >>>>>> FW6 w/ HG2
Also Update on Battery Recommendation: If you are using the FW6 indoors, or wherever its a pretty controlled climate, the overall best battery performing battery (out of HG2, 30Q, VTC5A), IMO, is still the 30Q.
HOWEVER; If you are an outdoor vaper or live in a much cooler climate you will want at least 1 VTC5A. As the temp drops to 50 i'm noticing the 30Q still works well but does take step longer to get rolling than when its was the 70's earlier in the week (convection vapes all do this). The initial stronger performance from the VTC5A helps get past the hump when its cold outside.
@NOLOGO EFEST batteries are generally rewraps of LG, Sony, and Samsung batteries. They're typically exaggerated on the advertised performance. Not sure who recommended those but the performance between batteries for EFEST batteries vary pretty wildly.
The draw speed for the FW6 is hard to compare with the FW5 because the FW6 draw speed seems to vary depending on your battery.(From my personal experience) I'd say with the VTC5-A and the FW5 the draw speeds are pretty much identical and if one is "easier" to use than the other its pretty negligible. The 30Q allows you to rip it harder than the 5 allowed you to. The HG2 is board line MFLB or I don't even know, you have to mouth pull but its like a mouth sip? I cannot reiterate enough how bad my experience using the HG2 with the FW6 was lol. So long story short, for the draw experience/draw ease of use:
FW6 w/ 30Q > FW5 = FW6 w/VTC5A >>>>>> FW6 w/ HG2
Also Update on Battery Recommendation: If you are using the FW6 indoors, or wherever its a pretty controlled climate, the overall best battery performing battery (out of HG2, 30Q, VTC5A), IMO, is still the 30Q.
HOWEVER; If you are an outdoor vaper or live in a much cooler climate you will want at least 1 VTC5A. As the temp drops to 50 i'm noticing the 30Q still works well but does take step longer to get rolling than when its was the 70's earlier in the week (convection vapes all do this). The initial stronger performance from the VTC5A helps get past the hump when its cold outside.
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hippogriff
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Worth noting that the only battery Marc sells from his site is the HG2. @firewood Can you comment on the batteries used during development?
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reckoner
Does anyone know if the bowl can be safely soaked in ISO for easy cleaning? Seems like it should be fine, but I want to verify.
shredder
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Yes it can, no problem.
I've been using cheapo odec batteries from Amazon. Plus an older vtc4. No problems that I've seen. I did order some vtc6's to compare though.
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ArthurJ
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Finicky, yes. I had a good day with the fw6 today, a very good day. But that hasn't been the case every day. I feel like I have to be rather particular in my details to get good results. But the fw5 was a breeze right out of the box. I was surprised at how easy it was. I feel like the draw sensor is a lot more sensitive on the fw6. On the other hand, when I've gotten it cooking I've really been able to consistantly roast a load evenly, more so than with the fw5.
Brewervapesalot
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Got this today from Marc:
"Yes, I got your unit, fixed it, and sent it back Friday. "
Looks like from tracking it will be here today
Hopefully it will no longer be "finicky"!
"Yes, I got your unit, fixed it, and sent it back Friday. "
Looks like from tracking it will be here today
Hopefully it will no longer be "finicky"!
NOLOGO
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Marc recommends 3 brands in the FAQ section on his website, and one of them is Efest. I had outstanding production with them in my fw5, but not so much on the fw6. I did find one 25R and one 30Q here in my collection, so I'm running tests to compare.
@firewood Marc, did your recommendations stay the same from fw5 to fw6?
KeroZen
Chronic vapaholic
Efest is AFAIK only a rewrapper and not a manufacturer. All rewrappers tend to have inconsistent sourcing and many of them only rewrap B-grade cells. So you're at best paying a genuine rewrapped cell at a price often higher than the real deal, and in the worst case you're getting a reject, also from a real manufacturer.
So stick to the trifecta: LG, Samsung and Sony (also Sanyo/Panasonic but they have very few models that suit our requirements) and you'll be safer, and you'll likely spare your money.
So stick to the trifecta: LG, Samsung and Sony (also Sanyo/Panasonic but they have very few models that suit our requirements) and you'll be safer, and you'll likely spare your money.
Yeah I used mostly HG2, but they are pretty old. It is news to me that people are complaining that HG2 are not powerful enough. It makes me wonder if there are fakes ones being used, or if something changed with their quality. I bought the ones that I used a long time ago so maybe I have good ones? Any other reports of HG2 being sub-par?
rvarick
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For what it’s worth, I’ve used LG HG2s, Sony VTC5a’s, VTC5d’s, and Samsung 25r’s from a combo of illumn, orbtronic, and IMR in my FW5 and FW6 and haven’t noticed any clear difference between them myself. The main factors to me just seem to be: use a 20A+ rated battery, and swap out ones that have drained down. The only battery that gave me issues was a Sony VTC6 I tried in my FW5 which was slightly larger and wouldn’t let the battery door close properly.
caseball2051
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On Saturday and sunday I was able to run 10+bowls through my fw6 on each day. A fun weekend for science indeed!
I have been switching back and forth between LG hg2s and the Samsung 30qs I have and noticed no discernable difference in my sessions between the batteries.
I'm able to fully extract (near blacken) 5 loads on each battery with current temp settings of 380, 410, 440.
The only note I have to add is that my 30qs are 10 months old and have been used in my lil bud. The hg2s are brand new and only see usage in my fw6.
I have been switching back and forth between LG hg2s and the Samsung 30qs I have and noticed no discernable difference in my sessions between the batteries.
I'm able to fully extract (near blacken) 5 loads on each battery with current temp settings of 380, 410, 440.
The only note I have to add is that my 30qs are 10 months old and have been used in my lil bud. The hg2s are brand new and only see usage in my fw6.
Brewervapesalot
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Recieved. Testing!
Brewervapesalot
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Got my unit back. Very nice, thank you Marc. Night and day difference. Fixed. Not sure exactly what was fixed, he didn't say, but based on the heater actually getting warm now, I think my heater was not engaging before (at least not consistently).
You get an "A." Very fine vaporizer. I will be using this a lot. More than the FW5, perhaps.
Pulled it out of the box, cranked it up to level four. First bowl, then another, and another. Maybe another. Definitely one or two more shortly thereafter.
Great flavor. Great clouds. Every time.
Flashback: when I first pulled this thing out of the box, it was so different than the FW5, but with more than a grain of similarity. I was like what is this, and how the hell do I... But that's really short lived with a functioning unit! Lol.
The design, such as the latch mechanism, bowl assembly, and squeeze startup, grows on you. You get use to it. Then you down right like it. Pretty quickly when you have an operating unit. The retractable mouthpiece is great, its solid rectangular shape is perfect for a pocket. It's only one bowl to clean (not five like the FW5). It's not fragile, although not a unit I would want to drop on concrete.
If anyone has a "finicky" unit, send it back. Mine is not finicky. I get clouds consistently. Add kief, like the FW5, and you'll get pretty dense clouds. It does like to warm up, clouds intensify as it does.
Other comparisons:
- compared to an MV1, the vapor is warmer, it might even be a little warmer than the FW5.
- draw restriction is not much, but more than MV1.
- the assembly is easy to take apart and much quicker and easier to clean than the MV1, and most any other vaporizer I've used.
- heavy users may prefer FW5 for on the go. The FW5 has five preloaded bowls.... as such, rotating from bowl to bowl is infinitely faster and easier than reloading the FW6, which is easy and quick too.
- No need to stir. Pretty damn consistent abv, better than MV1 or FW5 by a very noticeable margin.
You get an "A." Very fine vaporizer. I will be using this a lot. More than the FW5, perhaps.
Pulled it out of the box, cranked it up to level four. First bowl, then another, and another. Maybe another. Definitely one or two more shortly thereafter.
Great flavor. Great clouds. Every time.
Flashback: when I first pulled this thing out of the box, it was so different than the FW5, but with more than a grain of similarity. I was like what is this, and how the hell do I... But that's really short lived with a functioning unit! Lol.
The design, such as the latch mechanism, bowl assembly, and squeeze startup, grows on you. You get use to it. Then you down right like it. Pretty quickly when you have an operating unit. The retractable mouthpiece is great, its solid rectangular shape is perfect for a pocket. It's only one bowl to clean (not five like the FW5). It's not fragile, although not a unit I would want to drop on concrete.
If anyone has a "finicky" unit, send it back. Mine is not finicky. I get clouds consistently. Add kief, like the FW5, and you'll get pretty dense clouds. It does like to warm up, clouds intensify as it does.
Other comparisons:
- compared to an MV1, the vapor is warmer, it might even be a little warmer than the FW5.
- draw restriction is not much, but more than MV1.
- the assembly is easy to take apart and much quicker and easier to clean than the MV1, and most any other vaporizer I've used.
- heavy users may prefer FW5 for on the go. The FW5 has five preloaded bowls.... as such, rotating from bowl to bowl is infinitely faster and easier than reloading the FW6, which is easy and quick too.
- No need to stir. Pretty damn consistent abv, better than MV1 or FW5 by a very noticeable margin.
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