Firewood Vaporizer

[RUDE BOY]

I'm actually in the same boat. I'm really struggling to produce any kind of vapor. I've been wondering if there is a certain technique to it that I just haven't figured out but there isn't much info out there...

I'm in the same boat with mine, I may get a few decent hits per session but for the most part it doesn't do much.

Any instruction on how to actually use it seems lacking and whats out there is kinda unclear. I still don't understand the whole primer hit thing (sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't). also seems you need the lung power and capacity of an elephant to get it to heat up. Feel like I'm gonna pass out trying to coax a little vapor out of it most of the time.

I did send a reply to Marc at the email address he directed me to earlier in the thread to let him know my charging issues seemed to rectify themselves and asked a question or two but haven't heard back yet.

Seems there's a lot more to getting a hit then just inhaling, my avb is all still coming out a Golden Green color on heat setting 4 and still I can only pull off 1 or 2 hit's with visible vapor per load, even if i can keep the unit from shutting itself off for ten minutes or more (which should mean the heater is engaging)While drawing on it I get little to no heat or vapor it seems. ( while the outside of the FW gets pretty warm)

I'm pretty much home bound at the moment so it's hard for me to get out to the post office to return it at the moment.

Love the feel and craftsmanship and whole Idea of how it should work it's a simple but beautiful vape in the hand and on the eyes, but so far for me it doesn't work easily or well yet.

Would like to return it now myself to have it checked out to see if it's me or my firewood that's the problem.

Sorry all, Hate to sound all critical or be a downer, just really wanted this vape to work in a simple manner like just inhale and get a hit like in the videos.



I know a few people here said they ordered when I did but none of them have really posted their experience's here yet either. Kinda would Like to know who else is having a tough time with theirs too.

 

[nosmoking]

I mean look at my cloud production compared to his and tell me who you think is the winner...not me or pak but the Zion or the FW3.

This part of my post was typed up poorly. I didnt mean to get fellow Zionites jumping on the defense here. My intention was to get some Zionites and others over here seeing the greatness of this device as well. Its a shame that the Zion is not in my hands yet to compare the two, but I will have my day. I dont care which is better as I think both will have some advantages that the other doesnt regardless of the vapor production and both will be awesome vapes.

With all that said, lets not underestimate the Firewood and I am terribly sorry if that hurts your feelings there big feller, but I have watched all of the Zion videos and from what I see there is no reason to not ride this thing just as wild so I will keep my horse bucking!


@AJC and @RUDE BOY
Try doing little kiss like puffs and make sure your lips are sealed well around the silicone sleeve. You can do a bunch of the small kiss puffs until you see vapor, then go for a full on rip. You dont have to do it this way, but its usually the easist way to produce vapor IMO. I dont do it this way however because I have it down now to where I pull slow for a couple seconds and then ramp up my draw speed until I can't breathe anymore. Also make sure your not tamping or packing or overstuffing otherwise you will get air flow resistance. The device is pretty simple as far as the concept goes so there is not much that can go wrong with it. Good luck to you both as I know you will love it once you get her working.

 

[paytonpenn]

Have you guys just played with the Firewood no capsule?

I've never had to do anything more than the lightest faint quarter second draw for it to heat back up?

 

[Madcap79]

I do not use a capsule in my 2.1. Hammer stems work much better for me. I know, I know, shut up about the Stem Madcap! It's the last time I'll say it. Hehe.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

I'm in the same boat with mine, I may get a few decent hits per session but for the most part it doesn't do much.

Any instruction on how to actually use it seems lacking and whats out there is kinda unclear. I still don't understand the whole primer hit thing (sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't). also seems you need the lung power and capacity of an elephant to get it to heat up. Feel like I'm gonna pass out trying to coax a little vapor out of it most of the time.

I did send a reply to Marc at the email address he directed me to earlier in the thread to let him know my charging issues seemed to rectify themselves and asked a question or two but haven't heard back yet.

Seems there's a lot more to getting a hit then just inhaling, my avb is all still coming out a Golden Green color on heat setting 4 and still I can only pull off 1 or 2 hit's with visible vapor per load, even if i can keep the unit from shutting itself off for ten minutes or more (which should mean the heater is engaging)While drawing on it I get little to no heat or vapor it seems. ( while the outside of the FW gets pretty warm)

I'm pretty much home bound at the moment so it's hard for me to get out to the post office to return it at the moment.

Love the feel and craftsmanship and whole Idea of how it should work it's a simple but beautiful vape in the hand and on the eyes, but so far for me it doesn't work easily or well yet.

Would like to return it now myself to have it checked out to see if it's me or my firewood that's the problem.

Sorry all, Hate to sound all critical or be a downer, just really wanted this vape to work in a simple manner like just inhale and get a hit like in the videos.



I know a few people here said they ordered when I did but none of them have really posted their experience's here yet either. Kinda would Like to know who else is having a tough time with theirs too.

I wish you all would have spoken up earliar. My situation is similar to Rude Boys. I may be having slightly better results actually. And have found visible and tasty exhales at level 4, when using a couple of cigar like primer puffs followed by a slow FireFly or MagicFlight like pull. Without as much vapor density.

The experience relayed by Nosmoking Paytonpen and Frank IMO is not my experience thus far. I love the form factor and appearance of this device and how it fits in my pocket...and i am able to get multiple visible and tasty exhales on level 4, but not on 3 or lower. Only taste. The vapor comes in fairly warm on 4 considering the density is not huge. Nothing like described by other early users and as seen in videos. Did i hear the one video had hash/BHO in it, and it wasn't mentioned till later? That really threw me off.

It does have some things going for it, and customer service has been great, but comparing vapor production to the Evo or Zion technology? Not a comparison IMO.

Edit. As of right now i believe my unit may be faulty, so take what i say with a grain of salt, or look forward in thread and find out if it was. I will contact FW on Monday.

 

[paytonpenn]

I notice, when asked, you like to compare this unit to a desktop? Which one?

I seriously would like to know what desktops you own to make that statement.

Underdog, Versa. I've owned and EQ and VTower, used nearly every other desktop except the Cloud and Sub.

@IAmKrazy2 what's your method, from once your turn on how long do you wait and what all do you exactly do? Have you played to see when the unit is heating and how red it gets?

If you're using a waterpipe just push the screen up further and don't flip the capsule back from the straw mode.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

PP I have only ran 4 loads, and each has got progressively better, so i probably should save judgment. I wasn't having a lot of success with visible exhales on 1 to 3 but it does taste pretty decent. My last session was on level 4 the whole way with primer cigar like puffs, followed by slow inhales. I waited about 40 seconds before starting and puffed away for several minutes. I have not looked to see how red it gets, do you take out the bowl?

It does seem this is more of a super quick to heat up session vape, more like a Air or Pax than an instant hit Firefly or GH IMO. I could see this being a nice concert vape, slowly puffing away as i dance and listen. Or for around a camp fire. But it isnt the quick one hit and back in pocket style of the FF or GH. It isn't the Powerhouse others have made it to be either IMO, and although a cool vape, it does not fill the hole in the lineup i was hoping it would, and it won't kill my FireFly off until my Zion and GH's arrive like i hoped

IMO thus far, this vape does have a lot going for it, but isn't the juggernaut i expected. About to watch a movie and puff another 3 or 4 bowls so i will let you all know how it goes.

Edit. @Frank Reynolds were you really comparing the FW to the Evo for hits?

Double Edit. I do need to remind myself how small the bowl is. Like not much bigger than the VapCap. So i shouldn't expect huge hits, and neither should you. Again, i am liking this vape more and more but it is not at all what i expected from early reviews and videos. I am currently 7 bowls deep total I believe and only use setting 4 now.

Edit. As of right now i believe my unit may be faulty, so take what i say with a grain of salt, or look forward in thread and find out if it was. I will contact FW on Monday.

 

[paytonpenn]

This isn't going to be the video I was talking about earlier but I did have some free time with my webcam to capture a couple shots. It was on setting four, you can definitely get more than this video. I honestly suggest 3 for milk, 4 for milk that only lasts 1 hit.. But it seems like your units aren't running as hot. Your airflow really controls your vapor output with my Firewood I think I have a good amount of airflow but I can easily overpower the heater like with my versa.

 

[nosmoking]

PP I have only ran 4 loads, and each has got progressively better, so i probably should save judgment. I wasn't having a lot of success with visible exhales on 1 to 3 but it does taste pretty decent. My last session was on level 4 the whole way with primer cigar like puffs, followed by slow inhales. I waited about 40 seconds before starting and puffed away for several minutes. I have not looked to see how red it gets, do you take out the bowl?

It does seem this is more of a super quick to heat up session vape, more like a Air or Pax than an instant hit Firefly or GH IMO. I could see this being a nice concert vape, slowly puffing away as i dance and listen. Or for around a camp fire. But it isnt the quick one hit and back in pocket style of the FF or GH. It isn't the Powerhouse others have made it to be either IMO, and although a cool vape, it does not fill the hole in the lineup i was hoping it would, and it won't kill my FireFly off until my Zion and GH's arrive like i hoped

IMO thus far, this vape does have a lot going for it, but isn't the juggernaut i expected. About to watch a movie and puff another 3 or 4 bowls so i will let you all know how it goes.

Edit. @Frank Reynolds were you really comparing the FW to the Evo for hits?

You must be doing it wrong or your device is defective or maybe @paytonpenn is right and your devices are not running as hot. I typically vape my flowers on temp 2 for a couple hits and then move up to temp 3. I always get cloudy effective hits. I find the amount of effort needed decreases greatly with a water piece or even dry microbub or jhook. I rarely go to temp 4 with just flower and no attachment because its easy enough to char the bottom of the capsule on temp 3 if I hit too slow and long.

I use a Daisy and ESV on the regular and this is up there with them no question. I know this is not a very helpful post and I wish I could think of what advice I could offer that would be helpful, however I can assure you that your current experience is not what should be expected with the Firewood 3.

The 40 seconds thing does confuse me. I am not sure when you are waiting 40 seconds but its absolutely not necessary to wait for anything with this device. This device should be turn on and hit within 20 seconds or it will shut off automatically. After the first hit there is no need to wait...the heater really does well with back to back hits.

 

[paytonpenn]

Since I didn't add captions I started the heater around the 15 second mark and then around the 30 second mark you see the coil glow around the 43 second mark I start my hit. So I waited about 28 seconds to ensure it was heated enough for me and it appeared like it was so I actually backed off my hit a bit.

For lower temps you'll be doing even less waiting and after the first heat up it is also definitely less waiting.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

Mine must not be working right, I will try and contact Mark on Monday. Comparing hits to the Daisy? something isn't right. The manual says combustion can accidentally happen on setting 4. this is for sure not the case with mine so i assume my unit is running lower in temp. I get next to zero visible vapor while using a water piece after priming on setting 4, and only get any visible vapor on really slow sips, ala MFLB and FF.

 

[nosmoking]

Did i hear the one video had hash/BHO in it, and it wasn't mentioned till later? That really threw me off.

If you are talking about my video, I did state directly above the video that I was vaping a flower/wax/flower sandwich on temp 4.

One thing everyone should take note of, I defended the Zion up front too when @paytonpenn said to me that the Firewood should be able to keep up. I was not really a believer, but I am seeing a lot of bright light lately. Its high praise for this device and I know that it all sounds crazy but its not hype...its truth and it tastes so good!

 

[Vapzilla]

Since I didn't add captions I started the heater around the 15 second mark and then around the 30 second mark you see the coil glow around the 43 second mark I start my hit. So I waited about 28 seconds to ensure it was heated enough for me and it appeared like it was so I actually backed off my hit a bit.

For lower temps you'll be doing even less waiting and after the first heat up it is also definitely less waiting.

How is the heater on and glowing in your video when this is supposed to be activated by drawing on it. From the FW website :
Proprietary Draw Sense Technology - Automatically turns the heat on when you are drawing, off when not

According to that statement it should work similar to a EVS. That's what I'm hoping for. I want to be able to take a few hits , set it down and not have to worry about it cooking away.
Maybe @firewood could explain the heater and what's going on here.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

I want it to be awesome, because the design is cool as hell.

@nosmoking I read your post again and when you say you char the bottom on temp three with a slow draw i know our units must be calibrated diffrently as i dont get that result on level 4. My current level 4 seems like where level 1 or 2 should be IMO.

If my unit is faulty and brings a lot more heat, it could potentially be a really good vape. If this were the case i think my only two criticisms would be a little harsh (which is typically of most short vape path portables), and the fact i would like true user replaceable batteries for on the fly and SS screens.

There is a lot done right on this device, and i just hope my temps are too low or something and this unit is faulty.

 

[nosmoking]

How is the heater on and glowing in your video when this is supposed to be activated by drawing on it. From the FW website :
Proprietary Draw Sense Technology - Automatically turns the heat on when you are drawing, off when not

According to that statement it should work similar to a EVS. That's what I'm hoping for. I want to be able to take a few hits , set it down and not have to worry about it cooking away.
Maybe @firewood could explain the heater and what's going on here.

I just was pondering this myself and I am too medicated too figure it out. I was thinking about paytonpenns last video and I had to go back and watch it again to see if he took a draw to activate it or not...sure enough he did not. I tried this with my unit and it does indeed heat up without any pull once I set a temp. It also seemed to fade out or back off quickly if I didnt draw. I gotta play with it more but it seems very similar to the Elevape experience to me.

Hopefully Marc will explain more about the Proprietary Draw Sense Technology soon.

 

[paytonpenn]

Okay, it was noted that it wasn't a huge pleasure for the initial draw to activate unit so I believe newer units just power on and heat up, if not they may need you to set the temp a second time to skip the inhale.

This draw sense technology isn't anything fancy. Its simple, the unit knows when you draw and don't draw.
When it has been turned on it will detect a draw and will ramp up the temp and stay in that range for a while. If you wait 7-25 seconds from when it reaches that range you'll notice its going to go back into standby since it isn't detecting more draws. This is why the primer puff was initially suggested, because some people will just leave the vape around for 20+ seconds and try and puff but it isn't instant heat up while you inhale, it will need a bit of time to get back up to temp.

 

[Symphonic77]

If I might throw in my two cents into the ring, right now I'm loving my FW3.0 more than my crafty. I haven't touched it since the FW came in. It has yet to replace my LSV as a daily driver, but I like to think of it as a great partner to it.

I'll admit, right out of the box I struggled to get any vapor from the firewood. I went through about 3-5 capsules of minimal to zero vapor. and I just couldnt figure out what I was doing wrong. Originally I had been using my SCS to grind my herb to a medium consistency, and had been filling the capsule way over half and pushing the capsule all the way up to the screen in the mouthpiece. I felt my unit heating up, and kept taking primer puffs until I was so dizzy that I was ready to return the unit. However, my girlfriend reminded me that our money doesn't grow on trees, so I decided to give it another chance. I'm glad she did.

I decided to do everything completely opposite of what I had been doing before. I broke out my MLFB finishing grinder, and a straight sativa that grinds into a fine powder easily. I am still using the brass screens included since they were so malleable, but e-nano screens came in today so I will be replacing those. Anyways, I decided to remove the mouthpiece screen altogether and instead form another dome screen to insert into the top of the capsule. Randomly I only had a small amount of herbs in my grinder, and did not want to grind more, so I pulled in what little I had and it covered the screen with just a bit more. I noted how the bud seemed to bounce around in there, and I figured it would't be much but it was worth a try. I also noticed that the round mouthpiece looked like it could fit into the crafty cooling unit, and guess what it does. http://imgur.com/a/bNveU Here are some pictures of it, but not amazing since my phone is 3 years old.

Anyways, that session I decided to start straight to 4, and my unit actually heats up initially without any drawing after setting the temperature, I'm unsure if this is standard on all units. Afterwards, I decided to make the capsule not sit as far up on the mouthpiece, and did one primer puff on the box. I then threw my capsule with the cooling unit on it into the vape, and started taking 4-5 puffs with medium draw-speed. I consider about 4-5 puffs a "draw". The first draw proved much nicer results, nothing amazing. Took the capsule out and gave it a light tap to shake the herbs, and put it back in after priming again. After this I took another draw and this one came out much better, so much that I decided to take another draw right away. I was not prepared for much vapor I was about to receive. I like to think I have decently large lungs, I'm a healthy person. That was the moment I fell in love with the FW3.0.

In terms of pocketability, even with the cooling unit it fits into my jacket pocket very easily. Good thing its cold out here, or at least for So-Cal so it not really cold. I find that the extraction is pretty fast, much faster than my solo and just about the same as a crafty. I can't kill the load in one go however, not like I do with my LSV. I actually enjoy drawing out my session a bit more though, the FW makes it enjoyable. Battery life is good, it has only died on my once after a very busy day. My only complaint is that the unit requires a primer puff, I feel like that could be solved with a simple button that only activates once per press, so people won't hold it down on accident. I'm not that type of engineer however, so I'm not sure how easily that could be arranged.

Anyways, I'm unsure if there is just a lot of faulty units out there, but I'm a very satisfied customer. All I wish now is that FW makes some exotic wood units.

 

[KeroZen]

Now that the reviews are coming, it feels more and more like the poor experience I had with my FW2.1: asking myself whether my technic was wrong or my device just plain faulty...

It has been the same for me, with lots of blank hot air hits, even with the device shell scorching hot (I was afraid it was going to char near the heater) And sometimes, for some reason, a good hit or two... But quite harsh. The vapor path is so short I found it totally unbearable as is, and I had to extend it with a Ascent glass straw + silicone tubing as a junction.

Unfortunately my technic never improved, even after mastering the Zion and coming back to the FW. I thought "this time you got it right, it's gonna work"... but nope, big disappointment, inconsistent results.

And finally I read above "about 30 seconds before taking first hit", that's not so far from my 45++ seconds in my FW2.1 and it's 6 times longer than in my Zion. So as much as I value your opinions guys, time has proven several times that we don't have the same tastes nor the same expectations. The FW is not for everybody that's for sure!

 

[paytonpenn]

And finally I read above "about 30 seconds before taking first hit"

Where'd you read this?

I will agree the FW still is a little user oriented but it definitely sounds like defective units or you guys were thinking this was something it's not because of the "draw sensing".

So I've had 3 different units which all somehow worked as they expected but I was also the guy giving feedback and suggestions so I was already very aware of how to use the FW before I received it.

With the new 3.0 there are some things you may not have noticed or figured out, especially all you guys without one.

- Its not instant heating, but it should in no way take 30 seconds to heat up at that point its probably starting to go into non vaping temps. I've done a lot of bowls and my FW is still used more often than ALL my other vapes now. I used to boast about the Hammer and it seems I haven't even needed it. And I seriously have used the heavy hitting desktops like the LSV but this is more comparable to the UD/Nano since the bowl is best with loads under .1g.

- On level 4 the heatup is 15 seconds from cold, you can actually start pulling vapor around 8 seconds but I suggest waiting the 15 for the coil to reach its heavy glow if you are trying to do a one hit extraction. It doesn't take more than that, once the coil is glowing you're actually good to go. Seriously though level 3 should be enough for most users and is definitely enough if are hoping to reuse your abv.

- Your airflow matters, yes the FW does actually give out milking vapor in 15 seconds, but if your airflow is too high you're going to be inhaling more air than vapor since the heater isn't designed to fight against gale force winds. Not to say you actually have to inhale slow for good production.

- It heats in intervals not actually because you are drawing, you draw and it runs the heater it is as simple as that. It runs the heater to reach temp range (takes 5-15 seconds, then probably 3-8 after that for any next hits), stays in range for 10 or so seconds then cools down. Waiting too long after the coil glow will probably result in more warm air than vapor since its cooling down.

- It's easier but still not easy, honestly I can't say this is a hard vape it just works consistently for me and every iteration has, but it can definitely be easier for other people. The benefit is now he at least removed the initial draw to activate (which my draw sensor seemed fine but it was a personal hassle and unnecessary step imo). It is easier than previous models but still can give the user a bit too much control. Specifically with its high airflow.
Honestly though if you notice your FW isn't killing bowls or heating up like I said then yeah, yours is defective. In my 2.1 video you see the coil glow around the 30 second mark. I'd say I got vapor around 20 seconds in but if I wanted milk it would have to be 40 seconds of heating. Every time @KeroZen mentions his FW I feel it is definitely broken.

Also I think screens matter (really reduces to temp of hot air on the load), you get way better production and really risk combustion if you use it like I did in water pipe mode. Or try a non brass screen, I have a few capsules and my SS bowl seems to work better but it also doesn't move freely.

 

[Slow Draw McGraw]

Where'd you read this?

I will agree the FW still is a little user oriented but it definitely sounds like defective units or you guys were thinking this was something it's not because of the "draw sensing".

So I've had 3 different units which all somehow worked as they expected but I was also the guy giving feedback and suggestions so I was already very aware of how to use the FW before I received it.

With the new 3.0 there are some things you may not have noticed or figured out, especially all you guys without one.

- Its not instant heating, but it should in no way take 30 seconds to heat up at that point its probably starting to go into non vaping temps. I've done a lot of bowls and my FW is still used more often than ALL my other vapes now. I used to boast about the Hammer and it seems I haven't even needed it. And I seriously have used the heavy hitting desktops like the LSV but this is more comparable to the UD/Nano since the bowl is best with loads under .1g.

- On level 4 the heatup is 15 seconds from cold, you can actually start pulling vapor around 8 seconds but I suggest waiting the 15 for the coil to reach its heavy glow if you are trying to do a one hit extraction. It doesn't take more than that, once the coil is glowing you're actually good to go. Seriously though level 3 should be enough for most users and is definitely enough if are hoping to reuse your abv.

- Your airflow matters, yes the FW does actually give out milking vapor in 15 seconds, but if your airflow is too high you're going to be inhaling more air than vapor since the heater isn't designed to fight against gale force winds. Not to say you actually have to inhale slow for good production.

- It heats in intervals not actually because you are drawing, you draw and it runs the heater it is as simple as that. It runs the heater to reach temp range (takes 5-15 seconds, then probably 3-8 after that for any next hits), stays in range for 10 or so seconds then cools down. Waiting too long after the coil glow will probably result in more warm air than vapor since its cooling down.

- It's easier but still not easy, honestly I can't say this is a hard vape it just works consistently for me and every iteration has, but it can definitely be easier for other people. The benefit is now he at least removed the initial draw to activate (which my draw sensor seemed fine but it was a personal hassle and unnecessary step imo). It is easier than previous models but still can give the user a bit too much control. Specifically with its high airflow.
Honestly though if you notice your FW isn't killing bowls or heating up like I said then yeah, yours is defective. In my 2.1 video you see the coil glow around the 30 second mark. I'd say I got vapor around 20 seconds in but if I wanted milk it would have to be 40 seconds of heating. Every time @KeroZen mentions his FW I feel it is definitely broken.

Also I think screens matter (really reduces to temp of hot air on the load), you get way better production and really risk combustion if you use it like I did in water pipe mode. Or try a non brass screen, I have a few capsules and my SS bowl seems to work better but it also doesn't move freely.

Where is @firewood ? Just curious why you are doing all the work here explaining it. Were you their tester? Is that what I read above?

 

[paytonpenn]

Just curious why you are doing all the work here explaining it. Were you their tester? Is that what I read above?

I was the tester. I had a FW3 in September.

 

[KidFated.]

Maybe this is the portable I was waiting for..

 

[paytonpenn]

If you guys have any requests for things you want to see in the next video I will gladly consider them. I was already planning on a one hit extraction with the D020-D.

I don't know the user on FC and since he hasn't posted the video yet... I will just leave it here.

 

[firewood]

Where is @firewood ? Just curious why you are doing all the work here explaining it. Were you their tester? Is that what I read above?

Sorry I Am away for the weekend with limited connectivity. I'll be back Home tonight to address some questions. Payton was an early tester and has been gracious enough to answer a bunch of questions, thanks Payton.

 

[RUDE BOY]

- Its not instant heating

- On level 4 the heatup is 15 seconds from cold,

- It heats in intervals not actually because you are drawing,

If all the above is true then I would say (just Maybe) My problem is I now don't really have a fucking clue how it's supposed to work...from reading the manual and then peoples posts on how it works I'm now really fucking lost.

What's this heating in intervals thing all about? whats the timing of those intervals? I thought It was touted as working in the same manner as an ESV in that it heats when you take a hit, so what does the "It heats in intervals not actually because your drawing" even mean?

I'm very very confused now ... It seems it's a totally different vape then I thought I was buying.




(None of this is making much sense this morning)