Firewood Vaporizer

[bardad]

Perhaps, as a beginner for this device, I will ask a strange question -is it impossible to use Roffu capsules (or Xmax V3 Pro) in Firewood? I have a lot of these capsules on my hands and I really look at the Firewood, but it scares me that I will have to get a new set of capsules.

Also, I once already asked a question about the effect of Firewood, if you compare it with the effect of TM2, and the answer is that the Firewood is slightly different and possibly weaker than TM2. But the fact is that recently, after using TM2 Purple Heart for a long time, I started using Dynavap and for some reason the blows were much stronger..This gave me the idea to think about buying Firewood again, because Firewood is also conductive like Dynavap... What do you think about this, will firewood disappoint me or will it be a surprise, like Dynavap after TM 2?

I have both the TM and the FW9 and each one is different and creates a different way of using it. I like the FW9 now, it's slower, I enjoy the heat that the ceramic system gives off, I've always liked the conductive system better. The only thing that bothers me a little is the heavier air path, but it corresponds to its system and materials. I don't think there's a need for as much cooling with the FW9, I have the original stem. I use the grav upline with the TM2 and it's warmer, more aggressive. The FW9 is more comfortable in the hand and in the pocket even with the stem, smaller, lighter and I'm not so afraid of breaking it. The whole ritual can take longer, I'm more of a micro-doser and I like to enjoy the whole process as long as possible. The clicking system is also simple and intuitive...nothing lights up, just tingles. It's an incredibly nicely made, handcrafted vaporizer that doesn't have too many electrical parts or plastics. I won a toad a few days ago, so maybe in a few months I'll write about an even simpler and more artisanal vape. Anyway, I recommend signing up for the toad waiting list and using the firewood9 for about 4 years until then.

 

[WhyWhyWhy?]

You'll see, they complement each other well. The Toad has unregulated convection with a more open airflow, and is also capable of power with good control.

What do you think about when to buy Firewood? Maybe it's better to wait for the new version and not buy Firewood -9. Is there anything known about the release of the new version?

 

[Shit Snacks]

What do you think about when to buy Firewood? Maybe it's better to wait for the new version and not buy Firewood -9. Is there anything known about the release of the new version?

No nothing at all, Marc mentioned it, maybe we'll see one this year? Who knows... No reason to wait unless you really want to

 

[WhyWhyWhy?]

I usually fill in a very small amount of material, 0.05 grams. Will it be possible to use such a small amount in the Firewood?

 

[FatOldEnt]

Will it be possible to use such a small amount of firewood?

We call that kindling!

I've never weighed how much I pack but if 0.05 grams isn't enough to fill the ceramic capsule, make sure to pack it tight and use a low temp.

I do a fairly tight pack (unless I use a water piece) to just below the capsule top and start at 300F for at least 2 pulls, then 320F for 2-3 pulls, stir and repack, and finish at 340F. I can get about 6 pulls from each session on average.

 

[WhyWhyWhy?]

We call that kindling!

I've never weighed how much I pack but if 0.05 grams isn't enough to fill the ceramic capsule, make sure to pack it tight and use a low temp.

I do a fairly tight pack (unless I use a water piece) to just below the capsule top and start at 300F for at least 2 pulls, then 320F for 2-3 pulls, stir and repack, and finish at 340F. I can get about 6 pulls from each session on average.

"kindling"...

I'm starting to suspect that my 0.05 is not intended for Firewood.

 

[passenger]

@WhyWhyWhy? I do that with the bowl variant. And it works great for me. Be sure to use the filling tool and tamp it down. I am at the 200C range when doing this and I have no complaints.

 

[FatOldEnt]

What is the filling tool?

 

[Octavia]

What is the filling tool?

The lid! The flat part should unscrew a bit to give you more reach, but I usually use the butt of my S&B cleaning brush when using small amounts since the FW lid is a little short even at max extension.

 

[FatOldEnt]

You're talking about the packing tool that unscrews from the bowl top. Gotcha. Yeah, mine can only tamp down the top third because the capsule is tapered.

 

[Shit Snacks]

I actually think the less you load, the higher temp you would want to use to get the most out of it as a result? You'll have more empty space in the capsule, but it should still work, just probably more enjoyable to feel more, and let it last longer for more hits spread out over time? That's the beauty of on-demand, there's no rush to finish the bowl you know

 

[Octavia]

You're talking about the packing tool that unscrews from the bowl top. Gotcha. Yeah, mine can only tamp down the top third because the capsule is tapered.

My capsules are too, my tamp tool can get about 2/3 of the way down before I run out of length and need to swap to the brush handle. He might’ve made the current tampers wider, or capsules narrower?

 

[WhyWhyWhy?]

Does the Firewood capsule (bowl) have a bottom or no bottom? I definitely didn't see the lid when I watched the video on YouTube.. Is that why the capsule needs to be tamped so that the flowers don't fall out? But the question is, does tight tamping worsen the extraction quality? After all, for convective vapes, capsules cannot be tamped. Yes, I know that Firewood is a conductive vape. But the tight tamping is very confusing.

Also, can someone be so kind and give the capsule dimensions -the diameter of the lower part and the diameter of the upper part, as well as the height of the capsule? Please give me these dimensions. I want to see if I can put another Fenix mesh capsule in the Firewood capsule.

 

[FatOldEnt]

I actually think the less you load, the higher temp you would want to use to get the most out of it as a result? You'll have more empty space in the capsule, but it should still work, just probably more enjoyable to feel more, and let it last longer for more hits spread out over time? That's the beauty of on-demand, there's no rush to finish the bowl you know

I'm no rocket surgeon but wouldn't a smaller mass need lower heat temps?

Does the Firewood capsule (bowl) have a bottom or no bottom? I definitely didn't see the lid when I watched the video on YouTube.. Is that why the capsule needs to be tamped so that the flowers don't fall out? But the question is, does tight tamping worsen the extraction quality? After all, for convective vapes, capsules cannot be tamped. Yes, I know that Firewood is a conductive vape. But the tight tamping is very confusing.

The capsule is basically a tapered cylinder with a screen friction-fit at the bottom (narrow end).

I'm honestly not sure why we need to tamp! I've never wondered about it and now I'm curious...

I 'think' that in bowl mode you tamp to get the flower just below the top of the capsule to clear the air holes in the ceramic donut that rests on top of the capsule, but I refer to my previous statement of not being a rocket surgeon.

 

[Octavia]

Does the Firewood capsule (bowl) have a bottom or no bottom?

The capsules have a 3/8” screen at the bottom.

Is there no lid either? Is that why the capsule needs to be tamped so that the flowers don't fall out?

Tamping helps the conduction, ensures consistent extraction and keeps little bits in the oven. There is a lid (the tamper plug) and a ceramic ring that covers the heater coil, but little bits can still get through the vent holes on the ceramic ring.

But the question is whether tight tamping does not worsen the extraction quality, because, for example, convective wipes cannot be tamped tightly. Yes, I know that Firewood is a conductive vape. But the tight tamping is very confusing.

For me it’s basically just habit from before I got the bowl mode converter and to keep the little bits from sneaking into the heater coil and combusting since I exclusively pack mine at home then use while outdoors. I haven’t noticed much of a difference other than the occasional little burnt escapees when I don’t tamp though.

Edit: just saw @FatOldEnt ’s posts after I posted, but I think the main reason tamping is especially important for small volumes would be to make sure the screen is covered and air is flowing through evenly. I usually load mine about 1/4-1/2 full (estimated 0.05-0.1g, about the quantity I put in my dynavaps), and light/firm/no tamping makes basically no discernible difference beyond reducing escapees.

I assume the higher heat for lower volume would be to allow more even convection heating since there’s less surface area in contact with the capsule for conduction? I usually always run mine at default preset 3 for all load volumes since I prefer to emphasise the convection (and don’t want to faff with changing temps).

 

[Pib]

I'm no rocket surgeon but wouldn't a smaller mass need lower heat temps?

But you also have a different air flow, the hot air is not blocked and flows more freely, not so easy to say.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Does the Firewood capsule (bowl) have a bottom or no bottom? I definitely didn't see the lid when I watched the video on YouTube.. Is that why the capsule needs to be tamped so that the flowers don't fall out?

No lid, it is not a typical capsule, it is more like a removable ceramic chamber, so you can hot swap like capsules, or you can just have the ability to fully clean your device with the bowl version... Yes that is why you want to tamp well, also good for more conduction extraction with fine grind, FW9 has high air flow that will compensate well too.

But the question is, does tight tamping worsen the extraction quality? After all, for convective vapes, capsules cannot be tamped. Yes, I know that Firewood is a conductive vape. But the tight tamping is very confusing

Then it shouldn't be confusing? If you know it is conduction, then you must know conduction does a better with a fine grind and good tamp? Yes you can do less for more convection, but even convection likes a light tamp depending on the vape and setup... (in my experience convection hates capsules regardless if you tamp them or not) All depends on the variables involve with your specific setup at that moment, extraction is often pretty well done in my experience here.

I'm no rocket surgeon but wouldn't a smaller mass need lower heat temps?

I don't know anything about the science, just my experience, if you are using less, you often need higher temps to compensate, because the temp is always relative... You are controlling your extraction rate with temps typically, if you are using full conduction then you won't need more temp if it is packed well for contact surface area, but if you are using more convection I do think a higher temp is pretty necessary for smaller amounts? I mean if you want good extraction and vapor, but maybe someone might want less so they could get by with the lower temp

assume the higher heat for lower volume would be to allow more even convection heating since there’s less surface area in contact with the capsule for conduction? I usually always run mine at default preset 3 for all load volumes since I prefer to emphasise the convection (

Yeah exactly, and I prefer to emphasize the conduction!

But you also have a different air flow, the hot air is not blocked and flows more freely, not so easy to say.

Yeah that's why with a small amount you would want to tamp it down against the screen at least enough to fully cover and touch the sidewalls of the ceramic (some people make little pucks)

 

[goetzamuel]

After owning the Firewood 9 for a little over a month, I am finding what works best for me after using a Dynavap for about 6 years and some initial struggles with the Firewood:

1. Temp step when you want to.

I am running 350-370-390F as recommended by users here. I like it so far, seems like 390F is as hot as I would want to get it but haven't experiemented anything higher yet. For the majority, I will go straight to 390f for the full bowl and like it a lot. When I want to relax and enjoy the session and flavor I will temp step from 350F. Both are excellent ways to enjoy a Firewood and your favorite strain.

2. The bowl needs to be packed 1/2 full or more and needs to be tamped down.

When I first starting using the device I was using what I thought was about the same amount of ground herb that I was using in a Dynavap (done visually by scooping from grinder, I have never weighed to know for sure). When tamped down in the Firewood bowl mode, this was only filling maybe a 1/4 of the bowl capacity. I wasn't getting an experience I found satisfying using it this way so I started filling the Firewood bowl up nearly to the top just to experiment and got better results.

I am finding the Firewood's strength is the ceramic oven and having the ground herb tamped down with a large amount of service contact with the ceramic bowl in order to transfer heat. The ceramic is able to hold so much heat and when I wasn't filling the bowl enough, there wasn't enough surface contact with the ceramic to get the heat needed for efficient vaporization.

I think this also supports what you all were saying about needing higher temperatures if you are only loading a small amount although I have not tested anything past 390F. Meaning higher temps in order to get the air hotter for more convection vaporization instead of utilizing the heat transfer from ceramic bowl.

Conclusion
Try out different things and see what works best for you.

 

[MHL]

Mine only takes a light tamp, otherwise it's like sucking golfballs through a straw. And I do like a bit of resistance. The AVLP for example, I find a little too airy, and I have to block off 3/4 of the air intake with my little finger.

I tend to pack it so that it's 2/3 full (from the very top) and then a light touch tamp will take it down to just below where the air inlet is in the bowl.

I love my FW9. Choosing between that and the TM2 is harder than choosing your favourite child.

 

[Octavia]

I love my FW9. Choosing between that and the TM2 is harder than choosing your favourite child.

Agreed, though I can pretty easily say the Firewood 9 is my overall favourite, but really only by seniority. My Toad/Vapman and Tempest are great when sitting at camp or wanting to take what feels like a flower dab, but my Firewood 7 or 9 fill basically every other niche for me.

On a related note, back when I got my Tempest and Toad in September I discovered I’d cracked some of the wood that held the oven connector in place. Reached out to Marc and he recommended either CA glue to fix, or if I paid for shipping he’d fix it no additional charge.

Got around to fixing it about a month ago (was really easy to glue back in place), my spouse gave it a new coat of wax and deep clean, and it’s back into regular rotation! I really missed having an excellent hybrid in my rotation, the 7 is nice but mine now has a persistent stale taste from past combustion so it’s not my first choice. Looking forward to seeing what the Firewood 10 offers if/when it’s released, feels like the 9 in bowl mode is basically my perfect battery powered device.

 

[goetzamuel]

Anybody rocking one of these glass mouthpieces from OGB? I like holding the device right side up in my hand rather than using a somewhat awkward grip holding upside down while in a J-hook. Also like the idea of a longer mouthpiece so I am not putting the device up in my face. I know Shit Snacks has the right angle OGB mouthpiece.

14MM GLASS MOUTHPIECE FEMALE 16MM LARGE DIAMETER TUBING 8"

I USE ONLY THE HIGHEST QUALITY AMERICAN AND GERMAN MANUFACTURED GROUND GLASS FITTINGS.

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Currently using a lotus j hook like this, also have a Simrell titanium vortex that has been treating me nicely.

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[coolbreeze]

Anybody rocking one of these glass mouthpieces from OGB? I like holding the device right side up in my hand rather than using a somewhat awkward grip holding upside down while in a J-hook. Also like the idea of a longer mouthpiece so I am not putting the device up in my face. I know Shit Snacks has the right angle OGB mouthpiece.

14MM GLASS MOUTHPIECE FEMALE 16MM LARGE DIAMETER TUBING 8"

I USE ONLY THE HIGHEST QUALITY AMERICAN AND GERMAN MANUFACTURED GROUND GLASS FITTINGS.

oregonglassblower.com

Currently using a lotus j hook like this, also have a Simrell titanium vortex that has been treating me nicely.

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I have a short one from OGB and use it sometimes with my Herbaltherm 2ZM, works great. It should be great for the FW--it would probably weigh a little more than a stem, fwiw.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Anybody rocking one of these glass mouthpieces from OGB? I like holding the device right side up in my hand rather than using a somewhat awkward grip holding upside down while in a J-hook. Also like the idea of a longer mouthpiece so I am not putting the device up in my face. I know Shit Snacks has the right angle OGB mouthpiece

Yeah these kind are useful, I have a variety of different ones from different artists, usually I use them with angle adapters on a bubbler though, as yes I prefer to keep my vapes upside down form factor and I find the right angle bends so much better for dry cooling

 

[NoodIes]

got a beautiful case from @Duba ! Happy to find it's slim enough to still fit nicely in the foam case I had shaped for the naked firewood. thank you!! and now I can stop carrying around those plastic boxes the batteries ship with!

https://imgur.com/a/O8rdKzD

if you open the album these show but it didn't update on here:

https://imgur.com/a/shJmQoA

 

[Duba]

got a beautiful case from @Duba ! Happy to find it's slim enough to still fit nicely in the foam case I had shaped for the naked firewood. thank you!! and now I can stop carrying around those plastic boxes the batteries ship with!

https://imgur.com/a/O8rdKzD

if you open the album these show but it didn't update on here:

https://imgur.com/a/shJmQoA

Awesome, thank you for sharing. I'm glad if you like it and to see it fits your case.