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arf777

No longer dogless
The great Phil Ochs-

Oh I marched to the battle of New Orleans
At the end of the early British war
The young land started growing
The young blood started flowing
But I ain't marchin' anymore



For I've killed my share of Indians
In a thousand different fights
I was there at the Little Big Horn
I heard many men lying I saw many more dying
But I ain't marchin' anymore



Chorus:
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the saber and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all



For I stole California from the Mexican land
Fought in the bloody Civil War
Yes I even killed my brothers
And so many others
But I ain't marchin' anymore


For I marched to the battles of the German trench
In a war that was bound to end all wars
Oh I must have killed a million men
And now they want me back again
But I ain't marchin' anymore

(chorus)

For I flew the final mission in the Japanese sky
Set off the mighty mushroom roar
When I saw the cities burning I knew that I was learning
That I ain't marchin' anymore



Now the labor leader's screamin'
when they close the missile plants,
United Fruit screams at the Cuban shore,

Call it "Peace" or call it "Treason,"
Call it "Love" or call it "Reason,"
But I ain't marchin' any more,
No I ain't marchin' any more

 
grokit

grokit

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Philreal187 said:
I heard a lot about this book and really wanna read it. Did u get to read it, if so is it as good as I have heard?
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Yes, it's totally worth it. The only negative is I can see how it could be upsetting to those with certain world views. Too bad Pat Tillman didn't get to read it before he signed up, he might still be alive today.

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I liked this one:
"This classic book is more relevant today than ever. It is an indictment of the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL complex and its tightly-knit interrelationship with crony capitalism."
 
Philreal187

Philreal187

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grokit said:
Yes, it's totally worth it. The only negative is I can see how it could be upsetting to those with certain world views. Too bad Pat Tillman didn't get to read it before he signed up, he might still be alive today.

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I liked this one:
"This classic book is more relevant today than ever. It is an indictment of the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL complex and its tightly-knit interrelationship with crony capitalism."
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Awesome thank you. I've known we have been lied to on a massive scale when it comes to wars and the political world. I read propaganda by Edward Bernays which breaks down the public relations and how its used to manipulate. I was thinking book is along the same lines but dealing with war instead of media. I did watch the Tillman story and think it should be a huge eye opener for those who spend there time worshipping sports. I used to do a lot of free dvd hand outs and the Tillman story was always one I would take with me. I have since lost connection to the guy with the tools to burn dvds on a massive scale but I plan to start getting back into it as soon as I can get my hands on a dvd duplicator tower or something similar.
To stay on topic with this thread hears a quote..

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"

MLK Jr.
 
Crohnie

Crohnie

Crohn's Warrior
Paul: "It must be nice to always believe you know better, to always think you're the smartest person in the room."

Jane: "No. It's awful."


Broadcast News, 1987
 
t-dub

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
“Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion.”

“The more the state "plans" the more difficult planning becomes for the individual.”

"It seems to be almost a law of human nature that it is easier for people to agree on a negative program—on the hatred of an enemy, on the envy of those better off— than on any positive task."

― Friedrich Hayek, The Road to Serfdom

Edit: fascism . . The merger of corporate and government power in the suppression of individual liberty.

― t-dub
 
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arf777

arf777

No longer dogless
"Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion."

That's cute, but historically completely inaccurate. Your edit is far more accurate, and tracks Mussolini's own definition of Fascism. He also defined it as "the willingness to espouse any ideological position to gain and maintain power". Keep in mind, fascism is a reference to the Roman fasci, the bundle of wheat with a rod in it that was one of the main symbols of Roman imperial power. Nothing leftist there. And there are fascis on older American dimes. So again, no relation to communism or anti-capitalism, or we Americans would never have put it on our money.

The confusion in your initial quote is a common one- confusing Stalinism and Maoism with Marxist Communism. Ask most historians, the USSR never even came close to trying actual Communism. The closest they came was a forced collectivist monopoly capitalism in the Lenin era. And Maoism was even further- urban workers weren't even involved, it was a peasant revolution a la the 18th century European ones against absolutist monarchies, they just kept their Robespierre in charge for decades. They are still a weird hybrid, with absolutist monarchical power in the hands of part of the government, near-monopoly economic power in the hands of the PLA, and forced for-profit collectivism.

Even Lenin and Trotsky knew and agreed with Marx's evolutionary model, which states feudalism, then mercantilism, then capitalism, then international monopoly capitalism, then socialism, and then communism. Russia was in late feudalism / early mercantilism at the time of the revolution. Lenin tried to speed up the development, but that plan was derailed by Stalin, who WAS a fascist.

Gorbachev's famous 'Glasnost' and 'Perestroika' were part of Lenin's plans, and taken directly from his writings. But as Marx said, "you cannot inspire political action by telling the people the goal is more than a century away" (from Grundrisse). Which is why half his writings lay out a centuries-long evolutionary idea, while the other half talk like a worker's paradise was right around the corner. The former were attempts at objective history and theory, the latter works for political organization and inspiration.

And FYI - fascism came out of Sorrel's syndicalism and Garibaldi's nationalism - that is according to Mussolini himself - both right-wing ideologies. Not even slightly left in origin.

Not that Lenin and Trotsky weren't immensely violent. But the real history is not what most people think. The bulk of the violence under Lenin was during the Russian civil war and the actual revolution. With the exception of the putting down of an attempted coup by the army, when Trotsky put 30,000 soldiers to death, the bulk of the violence in the post-civil war Lenin/Trotsky era was judicial, with trials and right to appeal. Like when they made wife and child abuse a capital crime, as well as ethnic based crime being a capital crime (both of which Stalin undid).

For an excellent (though a biased) account of all this, see Trotsky's "The Permanent Revolution- Results and Prospects", "The History of the Russian Revolution", and "The Revolution Betrayed". Or Bob Avakian's "Phony Communism is Dead...Long Live Real Communism". There is a reason Stalin had Trotsky murdered and then killed all of his former friends and compatriots. They were the "Left Opposition" (Stalin's term). If Stalin were a Communist, there couldn't be a Left opposition - Communism was the most extreme left position at the time.
 
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grokit

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Philreal187 said:
"Who ever controls the media controls the mind" Jim Morrison

I believe at the start of 1900 most forms of media have already started to be corrupted but was all very young so most media was a reflection of life around. At some point there was a huge switch and I believe it was after the 60's sometime that most people just reflected what they viewed at normal via media.
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It was in 1987, when the Reagan administration eliminated the fairness doctrine for broadcast journalism by appointing a crony to head the fcc, when another buddy was complaining about it because he did not want any counterpoints to his pr agenda in favor of building new nuclear power reactors, essentially blanketing the airwaves with propaganda advertising how "safe" they were.

Advocacy groups were entitled to airtime provide a counterpoint when "controversial issues of public importance" were being presented to the public before the doctrine was repealed.
 
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"When it comes to grief, the normal rules of exchange do no apply. Because grief transcends value. A man would give entire nations to lift grief off his heart and yet, you cannot buy anything with grief because grief... is worthless."

-Cormac McCarthy, "The Counselor"
 
Havelock Vetenari

Havelock Vetenari

Patrician
"When you've got 'em by the balls,their hearts and minds will follow."
Quoted in the movie All the President's Men as being the caption on a cartoon hanging on Charles Colson's officewall.

“I'm very glad you asked me that, Mrs Rawlinson. The term `holistic' refers to my conviction that what we are concerned with here is the fundamental interconnectedness of all things. I do not concern myself with such petty things as fingerprint powder, telltale pieces of pocket fluff and inane footprints. I see the solution to each problem as being detectable in the pattern and web of the whole. The connections between causes and effects are often much more subtle and complex than we with our rough and ready understanding of the physical world might naturally suppose, Mrs Rawlinson.
"Let me give you an example. If you go to an acupuncturist with toothache he sticks a needle instead into your thigh. Do you know why he does that, Mrs Rawlinson?
No, neither do I, Mrs Rawlinson, but we intend to find out. A pleasure talking to you, Mrs Rawlinson. Goodbye.”
Dirk Gently in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
 
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arf777

arf777

No longer dogless
Anyone who seeks total Enlightenment should discard not only all conceptions of their own selfhood, of other selves, or of a universal self, but they should also discard all notions of the non-existence of such concepts. When the Buddha explains these things using such concepts and ideas, people should remember the unreality of all such concepts and ideas. They should recall that in teaching spiritual truths the Buddha always uses these concepts and ideas in the way that a raft is used to cross a river. Once the river has been crossed over, the raft is of no more use, and should be discarded.

-The Diamond Sutra
 
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Philreal187

Philreal187

Well-Known Member
"These are poems circulating throughout the nation

everybody's bad and everybody's tough
but how many people are intelligent enough
to open up their eyes and see through the lies
discipline themselves, yourself to stay alive?
not many
That's why the universe sent me today on this stage
with this to to say
the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer
and in the final hour many heads will lose power
what does the rich versus the poor really mean?
psychologically it means you got to pick your team
when someone says the rich gets richer
visualize wealth and put yourselves in the picture
the rich get richer, cause they work towards rich
the poor get poorer, cause their minds can't switch from the ghetto
let go, it's not a novelty
you could love your neighborhood without loving poverty
follow me, every mother, father, son, daughter
there's no reason to fear the New World Order
we must order the whole new world to pay us
the New World Order and the old state chaos
the Big Brother watching over you, is a lie you see
Hip-Hop could build it's own secret society
but first you and I got to unify
stop the negativity and control our creativity
the rich is getting richer, so why we ain't richer?
could it be we still thinking like niggas?
educate yourselves, make your world view bigger
visualize wealth and put yourselves in the picture!"

Krs-one-2nd Quarter
Album-I Got Next (1997)

 
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arf777

arf777

No longer dogless
Some more Nagarjuna, my favorite philosopher (and arguably the founder of Mahayana buddhism, certainly of Madhyamaka).

An anthill increases by accumulation. Medicine is consumed by distribution. That which is feared lessens by association. This is the thing to understand.

Property is unstable, and youth perishes in a moment. Life itself is held in the grinning fangs of Death, Yet men delay to obtain release from the world. Alas, the conduct of mankind is surprising.

Whatever is dependently co-arisen
That is explained to be emptiness.
That, being a dependent designation,
Is itself the middle way.

Something that is not dependently arisen,
Such a thing does not exist.
Therefore a nonempty thing
Does not exist.
 
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Crohnie

Crohnie

Crohn's Warrior
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."


4th Amendment, U.S. Constitution
 
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