Discontinued Elevape SV

[Shit Snacks]

Yeah some people it happens, I'm usually pretty iffy on sharing mine for this reason. Sometimes I do like I did last week, with a newbie, and it works spectacularly though. All setting 1 in doors with no combustion, we were both usually getting cloudy puffs no problem.

I think the stir tool doesn't help avoid combustion at all, it can add conduction from the metal though. Again I say its just practice practice practice practice, all par for the course this early in use. I think it'll get more consistent for you, but you'll have to find out. Draw variance is a tricky thing to compensate for here, but it is not unmanageable.

 

[Mr Mellish]

This is strange to me; I don't think I've ever gotten anywhere near combustion with the ESV. Just nice crispy brown abv.

 

[OF]

W I was drawing pretty fast as I thought this would reduce the heat trying to avoid combustion. I just don't succeed, even tho I'm at 305f only. What more could I reduce or optimize to get this beast tamed.

Careful here, "drawing pretty fast" to "reduce the heat trying to avoid combustion" is conduction vape thinking. This is a convection vape, drawing more HOT air into the load does not cool it. STOPPING drawing hot air in is what allows it to cool. Stopping the draw instantly stops more heat entering and smothers (starves for Oxygen) any combustion that might be thinking about getting going. Remember, you force air into furnaces so the fire will burn hot.

As to adjustments to 'fix' this there are two you might want to try. One is to adjust the user? The other is to adjust the coil tilt. If you check your load you'll no doubt see it's heating more on one side than the other? You can also see this by blowing in the USB port with the lid off and no load and watching in the mirror. The rush of air up where the posts come in (the 'outside' of the bowl) cools the coil (convection cooling in action). Only the part near the lens is glowing? You want that vape action to be more uniform. Bending the coil down toward the lens does two things for you, it moves the heat further away so the extremely hot air from that side mixes more on it's way to the load adding uniformity to replace the 'hot spot'. It also fools the regulator into cooling off (no matter what the programed heat setting is), lowering power usage and total heat.

Think about it a minute, that 305 degrees is not an exact temperature as seen by the load. It's a guide. There's a LOT more heat (in degrees) available locally in spots, there's glowing metal for heaven's sake.......

My friend somehow combusted on it on setting 1 which I have set to as low as it goes. Gotta figure this out because combustion is not an option for me.

There's another way. Keep two lists, one of good friends who follow directions and don't goof up and are OK with your ESV. Your friend above can be first on the other list........

This guy still depends on individual technique for final results. The tune that lets you really exploit the abilities might be exactly what the next guy needs to goof it up. For those that don't live on the edge this might not be a huge issue, but for you, Brother DR...........

OF

 

[darkrom]

Haha well this is my MAIN vapor buddy so its either I figure out how to help him not cook it, or I dare be in the presence of a pax! Conduction vapor in my car/place? No thank you

I'm guessing he had to be drawing too fast to conduct at the absolute lowest temp. Could be the back to back to back hits I don't know. Not giving up, just a disappointing setback. Its like stalling your car after driving a 6 speed for years. Totally your own fault, just takes you down a peg!

 

[Enchantre]

When I combusted (once), it was too fast a draw too soon after the previous draw.

Tell your buddy to slow down and enjoy the experience.

 

[Kevea]

I received my ESV on Friday and was pretty disappointed straight out of the box even with the bottle cap mod. Zero vapor production no matter how I varied my draw or heat setting.

So I pulled it apart tweaked the coil a bit, did the firmware update and increased my temps to 340 380 and 400. I just vaped an entire bowl on 400 now and got the best results with some good vapor production especially on the first 4 or 5 hits and stirring every two hits.

I just can't seem to understand how some are combusting at 305, some are getting nice clouds, and then there's me getting absolutely nothing at a temp that low?? Open to any suggestions here.

However, with the temps set higher it definitely seems to get the job done pretty well. Need to get some more usage and take advantage of the instant on before I make any judgements about it being worth the purchase.

 

[OF]

I just can't seem to understand how some are combusting at 305, some are getting nice clouds, and then there's me getting absolutely nothing at a temp that low?? Open to any suggestions here.

They are obviously not at 305F, right? This has been discussed several times. Those 'temperatures' are only estimates of what might show up in the load based on how brightly the heater element shines in the lens window. A bit like ignoring your speedometer in favor of listening to the engine exhaust and wind noise to judge your car's speed. Moving the coil (like bending it up or down) makes a huge difference for instance since the ESV doesn't really regulate the heat in the load but the light in the window from the heater.

I have two ESVs that I've tuned to give the same performance. One does this on steps 1, 3, and 6. The other on steps 8, 10, and 14.

I suggest you ignore what other guys are getting with theirs and tune yours for the results you want. Trying to copy them is likely to lead you astray.

OF

 

[Jack Sprat]

Don't know anything about this company, but they are adveetising the Elevape for $249, and the code 'NEW10' is good for an additional 10% off, bringing it down to $224.10.

 

[vapen00b]

This is strange to me; I don't think I've ever gotten anywhere near combustion with the ESV. Just nice crispy brown abv.

Could you make a pic of your coil sideways, if you got the chance and don't mind? Would be great to see how much it is tilted exactly, since you have never combusted. Also what temps do you use? Is you device all "stock" still?

Thanks buddy

 

[Jack Sprat]

Could you make a pic of your coil sideways, if you got the chance and don't mind? Would be great to see how much it is tilted exactly, since you have never combusted. Also what temps do you use? Is you device all "stock" still?

Thanks buddy

Every Elevape is a bit different regarding temperatures. What coil position works for one person won't necessarily work for you. In all honesty the best thing to do is for you to play around with the coil position until you find something that suits you. Unless you have some spare coils be careful when bending it as they can break. Good luck!

 

[vapen00b]

Every Elevape is a bit different regarding temperatures. What coil position works for one person won't necessarily work for you. In all honesty the best thing to do is for you to play around with the coil position until you find something that suits you. Unless you have some spare coils be careful when bending it as they can break. Good luck!

Thanks for your advice, will sure tweak around some more, carefully.
I'd love to see some nice positioned coils to get a hang of how it could look like. I don't like to play around too much with this fragile piece when it could be avoided for a better result. Guess it's about millimeters.. But need to get a look.
Actually I don't think the stock ESV are too different to each other - unless you had a pretty old version with smaller coil. I rather think there's a production standard that comes along with slight differences like coil orientation when assembled. @OF is this the case for you: do you have and old (smaller coil) and a new unit? That would be interesting - if not I think I have to agree to what @Jack Sprat stated. But then why would a guy like joe want his units to differ so much? There has to be a common standard.

 

[Jack Sprat]

There is a photo on page 54 of this thread.

 

[vapen00b]

Careful here, "drawing pretty fast" to "reduce the heat trying to avoid combustion" is conduction vape thinking. This is a convection vape, drawing more HOT air into the load does not cool it. STOPPING drawing hot air in is what allows it to cool. Stopping the draw instantly stops more heat entering and smothers (starves for Oxygen) any combustion that might be thinking about getting going. Remember, you force air into furnaces so the fire will burn hot.

As to adjustments to 'fix' this there are two you might want to try. One is to adjust tf mhe user? The other is to adjust the coil tilt. If you check your load you'll no doubt see it's heating more on one side than the other? You can also see this by blowing in the USB port with the lid off and no load and watching in the mirror. The rush of air up where the posts come in (the 'outside' of the bowl) cools the coil (convection cooling in action). Only the part near the lens is glowing? You want tmhat vape action to be more uniform. Bending the coil down toward the lens does two things for you, it moves the heat further away so the extremely hot air from that side mixes more on it's way to the load adding uniformity to replace the 'hot spot'. It also fools the regulator into cooling off (no matter what the programed heat setting is), lowering power usage and total heat.

Think about it a minute, that 305 degrees is not an exact temperature as seen by the load. It's a guide. There's a LOT more heat (in degrees) available locally in spots, there's glowing metal for heaven's sake.......



There's another way. Keep two lists, one of good friends who follow directions and don't goof up and are OK with your ESV. Your friend above can be first on the other list........

This guy still depends on individual technique for final results. The tune that lets you really exploit the abilities might be exactly what the next guy needs to goof it up. For those that don't live on the edge this might not be a huge issue, but for you, Brother DR...........

OF

I hate my iPad..
Wrote for 20 mins to reply to @OF and thank him for figuring out my problem about my obviously wrong approach by drawing too fast, along with what@darkrom and @Enchantresaid. Thanks guys ... Now I'm fed up and running out of time to rewrite everything. Sorry..

 

[Kevea]

They are obviously not at 305F, right? This has been discussed several times. Those 'temperatures' are only estimates of what might show up in the load based on how brightly the heater element shines in the lens window. A bit like ignoring your speedometer in favor of listening to the engine exhaust and wind noise to judge your car's speed. Moving the coil (like bending it up or down) makes a huge difference for instance since the ESV doesn't really regulate the heat in the load but the light in the window from the heater.

I have two ESVs that I've tuned to give the same performance. One does this on steps 1, 3, and 6. The other on steps 8, 10, and 14.

I suggest you ignore what other guys are getting with theirs and tune yours for the results you want. Trying to copy them is likely to lead you astray.

OF

I understand those are only guidelines but I'm just more surprised about the amount of variation from vape to vape now that I have one in hand. You're one of the few that I've heard having higher temps, the majority seem to run them low around that 305 spot.

Plan on doing my own tinkering to continue to get the results I'm looking for. Also keeping the current temps which, seem to be more inline with every other vape I own versus the low temps others are using with the ESV. Either way I hope this becomes my new stealth portable and replaces my Air completely and thanks for the solid suggestion @OF

 

[OF]

Every Elevape is a bit different regarding temperatures. What coil position works for one person won't necessarily work for you. In all honesty the best thing to do is for you to play around with the coil position until you find something that suits you.

Amen. Guys get hung up on quick secret fixes from the Web I guess? I go into some detail on this and why I think it's happening and a couple of posts and a couple hours later and you're doing exactly the same thing????

Thanks for responding, sometimes guys have to hear answers different from what they wanted to hear more than once I guess? No 'magic fix' here I think (or the maker would do it to each unit???), only advice based on experience. ESV can work very well, and does for others. It's just not like a Solo........it takes some tuning and experimenting.

I understand those are only guidelines but I'm just more surprised about the about of variation from

It is what it is. I'm not the only fellow to notice this. For sure moving the coil changes the game at many levels. Each guy gets to pick if he wants to live with the default performance or tune it to suit his needs. I think the tune effort is minor, logical and delivers very useful results done right.....and if not, try a different tune?

Again, if there was a secret formula, available only here, don't you think Joe would have read about it and be incorporating it in each unit?

OF

 

[Kevea]

Again, if there was a secret formula, available only here, don't you think Joe would have read about it and be incorporating it in each unit?

OF

I think that line pretty much sums it up perfectly. Well said.

 

[*plainlazy*]

Planned delivery of my elevape on wednesday back from hungary, its been a while since i ordered and havnt experienced a working unit yet. But just wondered, is the elevape more about the draw than changing temps? Do the experienced users stay at 305 and change draw speed or do you bump the temps as it gets spent? The second way is what im used to coming from arizer solo and air and also a flowermate. Im just curious. I should probably just wait til wednesday to figure it out. Just hoping the spectrum of temps can be used

 

[Shit Snacks]

I understand those are only guidelines but I'm just more surprised about the amount of variation from vape to vape now that I have one in hand. You're one of the few that I've heard having higher temps, the majority seem to run them low around that 305 spot.

Plan on doing my own tinkering to continue to get the results I'm looking for. Also keeping the current temps which, seem to be more inline with every other vape I own versus the low temps others are using with the ESV. Either way I hope this becomes my new stealth portable and replaces my Air completely and thanks for the solid suggestion @OF

Yeah it's not really variation vape to vape, its variation user to user, since this vape is completely breath powered. Everything here is a guideline, I've used 400F when I first had my ESV over a year ago, but I couldnt consistently draw quick enough, and made other tweeks lime anew cool and now just prefer to ride it low due to the variance in my draw, and general preferrence for low temps in general.

So yes @*plainlazy*, but maybe not I've done both temp step by draw, and kicking it up. There are many variables at play!

 

[OF]

Planned delivery of my elevape on wednesday back from hungary, its been a while since i ordered and havnt experienced a working unit yet. But just wondered, is the elevape more about the draw than changing temps? Do the experienced users stay at 305 and change draw speed or do you bump the temps as it gets spent? The second way is what im used to coming from arizer solo and air and also a flowermate. Im just curious. I should probably just wait til wednesday to figure it out. Just hoping the spectrum of temps can be used

I'm not going to give the same answer a third time on the same page and in a 24 hour (or less) period.......

Someone else can take this one, please?

TIA

OF

 

[tripwire]

I'm not going to give the same answer a third time on the same page and in a 24 hour (or less) period.......

Getting cranky are we? LOL.
Seriously, I understand a thread like the Solo where one may find it tedious to read through thousands of pages.
Personally, I like to inform myself before making a purchase. Besides, I find it an enjoyable part of the journey!

My advice to those new to the ESV - don't fuck with it the first few weeks. It has been configured to work right out of the box. If it ain't producing vapor, change your draw. Play with and perfect your draw before making any changes to temps and coil position.
If you're experiencing difficulty at the outset it will only be exacerbated by tinkering prematurely.
I know, I've been there!

 

[Enchantre]

Planned delivery of my elevape on wednesday back from hungary, its been a while since i ordered and havnt experienced a working unit yet. But just wondered, is the elevape more about the draw than changing temps? Do the experienced users stay at 305 and change draw speed or do you bump the temps as it gets spent? The second way is what im used to coming from arizer solo and air and also a flowermate. Im just curious. I should probably just wait til wednesday to figure it out. Just hoping the spectrum of temps can be used

I'm not going to give the same answer a third time on the same page and in a 24 hour (or less) period.......

Someone else can take this one, please?

TIA

OF

There are three temp positions on the ESV.
You set the associated temps for each position using the (windows) software.
The temps, as set out of the box, seem to work fine for a bunch of people.

Draw just fast enough to activate the light, keep steady until it blinks. Stop.
Exhale.

It is CONVECTION. Faster draws will make your load hotter; could actually combust if you do it a few times
Slower draws will cool the load.

When you get the first position working well, move up the the 2nd. Try that. then the third.

Try a few "natural" feeling draws. See how it feels and what it does.

After a week playing with the 3 pre-sets and your breath speed, we'll talk.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Slower draws will cool the load.

Tricky description, as a slow sip can also combust actually, letting the heat "linger" in the load instead of pulling it though smoothly. I think the fast draw higher heat is usually true of convection, but here a slow draw can lead to a hot spot that could combust. Really it's a balance, and everyone needs to find their own

 

[OF]

I think the fast draw higher heat is usually true of convection, but here a slow draw can lead to a hot spot that could combust. Really it's a balance, and everyone needs to find their own

I agree. You can watch the size and shape of the 'hot spot' change as you blow through the USB port and watch in the mirror. I also think tilting the coil helps control this effect to some extent. When I tipped mine a lot of problems changed/disappeared.

Once tuned up I find I can hit it fast or slow effectively. It takes some experimenting/learning for sure. Part of the fun perhaps....

OF

 

[vapen00b]

I agree. You can watch the size and shape of the 'hot spot' change as you blow through the USB port and watch in the mirror. I also think tilting the coil helps control this effect to some extent. When I tipped mine a lot of problems changed/disappeared.

Once tuned up I find I can hit it fast or slow effectively. It takes some experimenting/learning for sure. Part of the fun perhaps....

OF

Hi @OF,

I did blow thru he port as you suggested to make the coil glow. Is it supposed to glow evenly (when been tilted)?
My coil is just glowing kind of "c" shaped around the outer part that is facing the lens - when I let it cool of, I can see rest of the coil glowing also, but much less brighter.
What am I supposed to see when your saying "You can watch the size and shape of the 'hot spot' change [...]"?

My goal for now is to get an even heating - so I have to get rid of hot spots. Can I get an orientation in what direction in need to tilt by doing the " blow test" or how do I approach otherwise?

Hope you don't feel annoyed with my questions - if so, feel free to ignore my post as I don't want to upset you. I appreciate your help as well as anybody's greatly.
Thank you.

 

[Jack Sprat]

Hi @OF,

I did blow thru he port as you suggested to make the coil glow. Is it supposed to glow evenly (when been tilted)?
My coil is just glowing kind of "c" shaped around the outer part that is facing the lens - when I let it cool of, I can see rest of the coil glowing also, but much less brighter.
What am I supposed to see when your saying "You can watch the size and shape of the 'hot spot' change [...]"?

My goal for now is to get an even heating - so I have to get rid of hot spots. Can I get an orientation in what direction in need to tilt by doing the " blow test" or how do I approach otherwise?

Hope you don't feel annoyed with my questions - if so, feel free to ignore my post as I don't want to upset you. I appreciate your help as well as anybody's greatly.
Thank you.

One of the screws holding the posts of the coil might be loose. Try GENTLY tightening it. If you over tighten it you might break the post.