Easy to read Skunk Pharm QWISO instructions

[canadianleaf]

Well yes in my opinion, especially since there are some newer devices available for vaporizing what I call e-cannabis oil. Actually, with the new KangerTech AreoTank Mega, with a 1.5 ohm coil (ordered separately), I prefer to use an innokin SVD vape. Other APVs will function just as well. Even an eGo C Twist VV pen battery will work, it will be a bit awkward, but it will work.

I finally hit the point where I would have to say, using the devices I mention above, concentrate infused with PG USP medical/food grade, it can potentially exceed or match the potency of vaporizing the oil straight. At least with my oil and the devices I use. Vaping it straight, the buzz hits much faster and harder, but it is not nearly as consistent or enjoyable in my opinion. Vaping it mixed with PG USP in these devices, the buzz seems to last longer and is different, like the oil is not damaged. Just my opinion, (it slightly reminds me of eating RSO, which is kind of unpredictable when eaten).

Yes, I would mix your own if I were you. I like to add at least 30% PG USP to all my mixtures. With BHO-shatter, I have heard of people needing grain alcohol to assist in melting the concentrate. I have no experience working with BHO. With QWISO and RSO I have steered away from any grain alcohol being left. I like it only mixed with PG USP. With the new AeroTank Mega, and Mini it is by far the best experience I have had with vaping period. I have not used the mega and mini for very long though, they were just released, but first impression is they are the best I have used yet.

Purchase some plain PG USP medical/food grade (no additives, no VG, no nicotine, no sweetener). High Desert Vapes offers the PG USP theirs is Kosher and many other e-cigg shops have it too. They sell it so you can make your own e-cigg mixtures to your preference. Add minimal heat, super clean oil, some PG USP, mix well and you are good to go.

If you try it, please let us know how it works out as well as the percentage of loss or gain that you notice.

Some e-juice concentrate mixtures that my be sold in dispensaries might contain additional additives. Like different grades of PEG (polyethylene glycol) to help hold the infusion together for a longer period of time or even possibly VG, which I do not agree with.

With the new KangerTech units that are dual coil bottom fed and virtually no wick, oil that is stored in them will not separate as quickly. When I gently warm my concentrate and hand mix PG USP into it, very careful it is not too warm otherwise the PG USP as well as THC will just vaporize out. As long as the oil is going to be consumed within a month and it is good clean oil, it should not separate. A decent mixing has lasted me three months. I have had other mixtures separate sooner. I notice the top coil units with a lot of wicks, the oil seems to attach to the wicks if stored in them and the PG USP separates. I have seen this happen within 1-2 months.

Hope I have been able to help.

That is essentially i want to try first with my pg if it works, i do have the same tank to try it with hopefully it doesnt seperate and Thanks For the denitions

 

[canadianleaf]

Thats my first run it looks like thick black when thick.

It was left to air dry for 4 days covered with a cloth

I want to try @Grow Goddess recipie on top with some of it. Leaving most of it for e jm mix. I do have the same tanks kanger tech v3 tanks.


I am just trying to figure out a good way to get everythibg of the razor blades i had to use.

 

[negan]

I am just trying to figure out a good way to get everythibg of the razor blades i had to use.

I just use another razor to scrap everything to the end. Then I transfer that to a container, parchment paper, slick pad, etc. You'll need to do this a few times on both razors and you should get most of it.

 

[negan]

Did my 3rd qwiso run today. I did 2 20 second washes and 1 10 second wash, all into the same pyrex. I haven't used much herb for either of my 3 tries, probably around 4-6 grams each time. Probably closer to 5 this time. Last time I used a nogoo silicone plate, it is was crazy hard to scrap (finally had to add a small amount of iso and heat). Much easier with pyrex the first time, so back to pyrex.
Ran through a mesh strainer (to quickly remove iso from herb), onto a 25 micron SS mesh and then finally through a 10 micron. Love those 316t ss meshes. Remembered to pre-wet the filters and seemed to preform much better. Looks to be the best yield so far. First was decent, but my filter tek was wack and got a lot of dust in there which no doubt added to the yield. Second time I used the 10 micron but didn't pre-wet and I don't think the herb was as good.

There is a little more in the left corner and a decent amount of residue on the rest of the pryex as well! That is a smaller 7.5x5.5 pyrex, but still hoping for at least 10%, looks like maybe more. Will know monday.

There is still some iso in there, would love to be able to scrap, purge then flatten, but I'm headed out of town for the weekend. So this is going to sit and evap OG style for two days. Should have my slick pads waiting for me when I return so I can try to flatten and make shatter. The last two times I missed the tips on how to flatten and heat (a little) to shatter. So I just rolled the crumble into a ball and just used a razor to cut chunks off.

Oh yeah went back to the hair dryer this time. Worked well the first time. This time I was able to rig a holder for the dryer with my bike stand! Didn't have to stand around and breath in those fumes! Worked great. Just checked on it every couple of minutes went it got close to this point.

 

[killick]

Did you let the base dry out between washes? Or consecutive wet washes?

 

[Grow Goddess]

When all of the alcohol has evaporated off, I like to add a little 192 proof or higher grain alcohol. This is so I can transfer the concentrate into a vial or other container. Once in the storage container, it is no problem to leave the lid off and allow it to evaporate. I generally do not allow my oil to dry to the point of becoming hard. I feel that might cause it to lose too many terpenes.

I do my best to keep it in an oily state. I like to use the 192 proof polish vodka to keep it there.

Soon I plan to take a crack at doing an extraction with that 200 proof KleenXtract. Very curious how it turns out. I have everything I need in the freezer, just need to find the time now!

 

[Grow Goddess]

That is essentially i want to try first with my pg if it works, i do have the same tank to try it with hopefully it doesnt seperate and Thanks For the denitions

Lately I have been using PEG400 NF/USP mixed with my concentrate, then to thin it a bit more to help it vape, I will add a little PG USP. So far it has been staying infused and also seems to vape a little better, especially in the AeroTank Mini. PEG400 and alcohol concentrates stay infused well, even when mixed without using heat. So far, adding a little PG USP, just blends together great with little to no effort. I don't know yet what the best ratio is, still working on it. When I use the PEG400 NF/USP, I will also add a drop or two or three sometimes of an organic flavoring per gram or two, like blueberry for instance.

Keeping in mind, alcohol extracts will respond differently than butane extracts when attempting to infuse. They can also react much differently when vaping straight. I have heard a lot of complaints from BHO users when vaping straight that the concentrate seems to want to push away from the heat source or coil. I have not noticed any problem with alcohol concentrates. I have also heard BHO makers state that their concentrates will not stay infused with PEG400 or PG USP. I think, but don't hold me to it, they may have had some luck with infusions using ejmix. It is expensive, some custom blend of multiple PEG's and PG USP. I have heard of people having quite a bit of luck using homogenizers and forcing the mix to stay infused.

Either way, I have not had any problems yet using PEG400 and organic flavoring along with PG USP using the AeroTank Mini and an eGo C Twist battery or something more high tech like the SVD.

 

[killick]

I generally do not allow my oil to dry to the point of becoming hard. I feel that might cause it to lose too many terpenes.

I do my best to keep it in an oily state. I like to use the 192 proof polish vodka to keep it there.

Soon I plan to take a crack at doing an extraction with that 200 proof KleenXtract. Very curious how it turns out. I have everything I need in the freezer, just need to find the time now!

Do you vape it while it's still a bit oily?

Looking forward to the KX review!

 

[negan]

Did you let the base dry out between washes? Or consecutive wet washes?

I just do consecutive wet washes. I push/squeeze the herb in the first mesh strainer to try and get as much of the iso out as possible. I'll let that wash make it through the 25 micron screen, then throw the herb from the strainer back into the mason jar, pour the iso in for 15ish seconds, then dump back into the strainer.

Can I do anything with the kief like stuff that is left in the ss screens? There is a pretty good amount of it. Maybe save up and re run with another batch?

Heading to my sister's tomorrow and she lives in a state that sells 190 proof EC. Going to pick some up to give winterizing a try. Also might do a qwet or lwet run next time. Planning on mixing up some apple pie moonshine for the superbowl. Might get out of hand real quick though with dabs and apple pie moonshine.

 

[killick]

Thanks! I did a first wash on a batch last week and put the leftovers back in the jar, then back in the freezer. I get back tomorrow and will do another rinse of it. And take some pix this time... Besides a mason jar full of dry nugs...

 

[negan]

Thanks! I did a first wash on a batch last week and put the leftovers back in the jar, then back in the freezer. I get back tomorrow and will do another rinse of it. And take some pix this time... Besides a mason jar full of dry nugs...

I have wondered about doing this as well and read it in the Skunk Pharm instructions. I first I read it as "back into container and back in the freezer" but mine was still soaked in iso and I thought that it wouldn't be good (still being stripped). And with the lid on the iso can't escape. Then I re-read the instructions and it says to spread out and set aside the herb to dry and the put back into the container and then into the freezer for later. So I'm sort of trying that now, I just left the top off of the jar, which may not be good enough. But with 3 washes I probably don't have much left anyway.

 

[killick]

Thanks Megan. I'm sure I have a jar of frozen, stripped plant matter in the jar now. Will do a tiny wash just to see what it looks like...

On the plus side I get home later today and can get busy with the Ptfe sheets that are sitting in the post office waiting to be picked up! It's great to have a hobby

 

[canadianleaf]

My attempt failed badly. My frist mistake might of been using a pyrex dish too big as it was a very thin material to scrape off a big surface area, I guess the oil dried too much maybe? It was so sticky as almost imposible to transfer anywhere as it would just stick to anything it touched and would be hard to handle i tried to scape it all together and freeze it for a few seconds to maybe make it easier to get of the scraper i actually ended up wasting most of it as it just shattered into tiny pieces and flew everywhere

I do have a small amount i managed to scrape off the blades which is a mix of run 1 and 2 (like maybe 0.2 g) i am not even sure if i should try anything with it it at this point.
Sadly grain alcohol like everclear is not sold where i live as our liquour stores are government owned. Is there a different way to make the oil a little less sticky and easier to handle?

My ej mix arrived damaged with the packaging being socked in it but i would say 4/5 are in the bottle still. I will get a refund for it so i guess i got some free? Should i even try anything with what i got left?

In regards to bho i do have acess to some i think? I can buy some home made bho but i watched the extraction process and didnt like it ( very little winterezation or airing it out whole run done in 2 hours total from start to smoking, it is different stuff so to be fair i didnt see how this batch was made i just asume it was same as the batch i watched made) its a thick brownish shatter like material.


Or i can buy bho shatter that came straight from a dispensary it has a nice amber honey color to it and tasted nice (tried on an oil rig so i am not sure how it will carry over when vaped)

I guess the decision to make here is if i want to buy ready shatter or try qwiso again and buy more bud but buying shatter is a much cheaper option at this point. I really dont wanna go back to combustion

 

[Grow Goddess]

Do you vape it while it's still a bit oily?

Looking forward to the KX review!

in most cases, yes. A lot of times I will convert it into e-cannabis (to be used in e-cigg vaporizers) and then it is really oily. Sometimes I vape it straight with a KISS cart. Then it is thick like a tar though.

 

[killick]

Thanks! I've only recently discovered oil for pain mgmt, and am still learning my way around. I picked up a cheapie device a few days ago and will try it out when the plane lands at home in a bit.

I have *almost* purchased a Persei unit, but the big warning on the bottom of their order page specifically states 'don't buy this if you are inexperienced', so staying away until I learn, but as I don't know anyone that has one it will be awhile

 

[killick]

@canadianleaf I'm not sure it was a failure. If in doubt rewet your Pyrex, swish or scrape a bit to get everything off and into liquid, put in a different dish and do it again.

 

[Grow Goddess]

Thanks! I've only recently discovered oil for pain mgmt, and am still learning my way around. I picked up a cheapie device a few days ago and will try it out when the plane lands at home in a bit.

I have *almost* purchased a Persei unit, but the big warning on the bottom of their order page specifically states 'don't buy this if you are inexperienced', so staying away until I learn, but as I don't know anyone that has one it will be awhile

I use some equipment that is meant for Persei and Omicron, but I think they are way overpriced. I would not pay that kind of money for those vapes.

My methods only work with their 3.7 v accessories. All you need is an adapter, 510 to 601 thread adapter. Then you can use an eGo C Twist VV battery $20. My preference for using the KISS cart is a mechanical vape, the Smoktech Magneto. The Magneto and KISS cart go together awesome!

I am sure that the mechanical operates the KISS cart better than Persei or Omicron can even dream of.

You can even get cheapie eGo batteries for as little as $11. All you need is the adapter to use the Persei accessories.

You can get the adapter from here https://highdesertvapes.com/products/510-to-601-Cartomizer-Adapter.html

I like using devices that are 510 and eGo thread. I will use adapters for other products to function with the 510 or eGo threads.

Before I would spend the extra money on a Persei, I would purchase an innokin SVD. Make sure you get the real one. I have noticed most of the fake ones do not come in a full kit. Usually the SVD that comes with (2) iClear30 attachments is the real deal. Less than $100. The mechanical magneto is about $50.

In most cases the eGo C Twist 650mah VV operates most devices just fine $20.

Last I checked, KISS carts made by UP Tech, they cut a deal if you buy 4 I think. They are kind of expensive, but work well for vaping straight oil. At least with alcohol extracted concentrates. I cannot speak for BHO and other non alcohol extracted concentrates.

 

[herbivore21]

When all of the alcohol has evaporated off, I like to add a little 192 proof or higher grain alcohol. This is so I can transfer the concentrate into a vial or other container. Once in the storage container, it is no problem to leave the lid off and allow it to evaporate. I generally do not allow my oil to dry to the point of becoming hard. I feel that might cause it to lose too many terpenes.

I do my best to keep it in an oily state. I like to use the 192 proof polish vodka to keep it there.

Soon I plan to take a crack at doing an extraction with that 200 proof KleenXtract. Very curious how it turns out. I have everything I need in the freezer, just need to find the time now!

This really sounds like your are dabbing/vaping underpurged oils. Leaving residual ethanol in your oils is going to make them hotter/harsher than they would be if fully purged. Ethanol also has it's own taste, which many confuse (and are easily confused) with cannabinoid terps IME.

Whilst ethanol is not unsafe to drink, it is certainly not advisable to vaporize it. Remember that a much smaller amount of ethanol will effect you when vaping than when drinking.

Furthermore, that ethanol vapor undergoes thermal decomposition. Thermal decomposition of ethanol (like any material) will not always yield the same results, but some common byproducts from thermal decomp of ethanol include ethylene (a carcinogenic hydrocarbon and asphixiant) and methane (another asphixiant)!!! Please do not dab oils with residual solvents, for your safety and the safety of your patients. Ethylene is the predominate resulting chemical of the water elimination reaction that ethanol undergoes when heated.

Lately I have been using PEG400 NF/USP mixed with my concentrate, then to thin it a bit more to help it vape, I will add a little PG USP. So far it has been staying infused and also seems to vape a little better, especially in the AeroTank Mini. PEG400 and alcohol concentrates stay infused well, even when mixed without using heat. So far, adding a little PG USP, just blends together great with little to no effort. I don't know yet what the best ratio is, still working on it. When I use the PEG400 NF/USP, I will also add a drop or two or three sometimes of an organic flavoring per gram or two, like blueberry for instance.

Keeping in mind, alcohol extracts will respond differently than butane extracts when attempting to infuse. They can also react much differently when vaping straight. I have heard a lot of complaints from BHO users when vaping straight that the concentrate seems to want to push away from the heat source or coil. I have not noticed any problem with alcohol concentrates. I have also heard BHO makers state that their concentrates will not stay infused with PEG400 or PG USP. I think, but don't hold me to it, they may have had some luck with infusions using ejmix. It is expensive, some custom blend of multiple PEG's and PG USP. I have heard of people having quite a bit of luck using homogenizers and forcing the mix to stay infused.

Either way, I have not had any problems yet using PEG400 and organic flavoring along with PG USP using the AeroTank Mini and an eGo C Twist battery or something more high tech like the SVD.

Let me add that there is no safe amount of PG/PEG in your concentrates. Please also avoid flavorings as many have already been found to be unsafe for vaping.

PG and PEG's have been found by researchers to release polyaromatic hydrocarbons (more carcinogens like benzene) and carbonyls (even more lovelies like carbon monoxide) when vaporized in traditional ecig carts.

Furthermore, many flavoring products for ejuice are themselves not safe to vape for the same reasons. These flavourings have only been tested as safe for oral ingestion, not inhalation after significant heat has been applied.

Please, do not take this as me trying to rag on your work! I wish I too could grow like you! One day they'll change the laws I hope...

I noticed you are growing organic in soil and wanting to grow herb with the least contaminants possible - it is a shame to dilute your hard-earned cannabinoids with solvents (ethanol/pg/peg) and flavourings which are harmful to vaporize.

Stay safe everybody, and remember that not everything in this brave new world of vaping is safe!

 

[Grow Goddess]

Thanks for the info, but I must disagree.

I feel that my oil producing skills have exceeded my growing skills.

I am 100% confident that my products are purged correctly. I am not saying PG USP and PEG400 NF/USP are 100% safe, then again, nothing is really 100% safe.

Everybody's situation is different and I have come up with ways to accommodate many different scenarios.

For example: Would you rather be homeless, on the streets, and possibly have criminal charges brought against you because you decided to use your concentrate straight with whatever method you choose? The neighbor in your public housing unit you live in reports smelling cannabis. You get evicted, all subsidies cut off. Or a person in this situation can use the e-cannabis method and not have to face those possibilities. Just sayin'
This is only one possible scenario compared to millions.

 

[Grow Goddess]

@killick
In regards to vaping the oil straight. Wow! I went back and looked at the KISS carts (it has been a while) they are half price now and you can order in bulk and save even more.
I will be ordering more of those now that they are more reasonably priced. I like them.

Pre-soaking the wick before putting a full dab in. Brand new, unused KISS cart.

SVD on the left. Magneto with KISS cart and adapter right

Left, SVD with iClear30B. Right, (reason for photo), a basic eGo C Twist VV pen battery, 510 to 601 adapter, and Persei 3.7 V KISS Cart. Too bad UP Tech had to use a different thread size.

 

[canadianleaf]

@killick
In regards to vaping the oil straight. Wow! I went back and looked at the KISS carts (it has been a while) they are half price now and you can order in bulk and save even more.
I will be ordering more of those now that they are more reasonably priced. I like them.

Pre-soaking the wick before putting a full dab in. Brand new, unused KISS cart.

SVD on the left. Magneto with KISS cart and adapter right

Left, SVD with iClear30B. Right, (reason for photo), a basic eGo C Twist VV pen battery, 510 to 601 adapter, and Persei 3.7 V KISS Cart. Too bad UP Tech had to use a different thread size.

So would straight shatter work in that kiss cart? Also what do you pre wet it with?

Also is there any good way to make the shatter from iso a little less sticky so it can all be got together into a container? Ethanol or everclear is not an option sadly as the highest alcohol i can get is bacardi 150 proff but that has flavor in it. What else can i use to maybe wet everything?

I think that is where things went wrong a bit as everything just got stuck to the blades and transferring between blades was a pain

 

[killick]

@canadianleaf Our government controlled likker stores in Alberta have high test EC, but the ones in BC do not. In BC you can buy 99% ISO for $4/litre.

What did you use for your initial extraction? Heck, if you just need to soften it up use the rum! But it'll take awhile to evap...

 

[killick]

@Grow Goddess Thanks ever so much! For some reason I assumed the KISS carts were much different than the wee module with the heater! I may already have sorta/kinda what I need. I picked up some sort of 'special edition' VapeApe kit. I stuffed the wick full of thick, gooey, 1st time ever EC wash. Lots of smoke, a funky smell, and it felt like the top of my head was being unscrewed. And the pain in my back decreased a lot!

So a couple of days ago I am wasting time between doctors appts, and find a little shop I'd never seen before. They have the most vapes I've seen in one shop in Canada! Which isn't much really, but very knowledgeable staff. The guy steered me towards a Cloupor Cloutank M4 kit. It has a battery, a number of detachable (kiss cart?) burners - 3 for oil, 2 for herb. And above that is a clear glass tube over a stainless chamber that can be used for either oil or dry herb (dry herb is pure combustion, which tastes vile after 18 months of vaping!) This is it here

So I guess I'm on the right track, and have a couple of devices that will work for now. I'm very intrigued by the ejuice option. I don't know many people that have them, but a great inconspicuous alternative.

Thanks again for all your kind assistance! Good karma points for you

 

[Grow Goddess]

So would straight shatter work in that kiss cart? Also what do you pre wet it with?

Also is there any good way to make the shatter from iso a little less sticky so it can all be got together into a container? Ethanol or everclear is not an option sadly as the highest alcohol i can get is bacardi 150 proff but that has flavor in it. What else can i use to maybe wet everything?

I think that is where things went wrong a bit as everything just got stuck to the blades and transferring between blades was a pain

I believe straight shatter will work in the KISS, referring to BHO shatter. How well, I do not know. I do know of someone that used regular BHO (not shatter, more like a putty), and their complaint with the KISS cart was the same as other units that are similar. They say that the concentrate seems to want to "run away" from the coil. With actual clean shatter the results may be quite different. I do know that BHO and alcohol extracts have big differences. All solvents extracts different properties from the buds. One example, I hear a lot of people say that BHO will not stay infused with PEG400. Whereas everyone I have heard from that use alcohol extracts, using the PEG400 stays infused for at least a year.

There are a few options to get the iso shatter into a container. (Too bad you don't have access to 190 proof or higher grain alcohol) there are still options. 1. you can transfer it into the container before it is fully evaporated. Stir it around a few times per day until you are confident all of the alcohol has purged. I frequently do this with iso extracts. When I believe it is finished purging, I still leave it open (covered with a coffee filter) in a dry atmosphere and stir it around if possible for a couple more days. Patience pays off. Sometimes a week, it all depends on the situation. I have to do it this way frequently because I no longer use heat to purge or evaporate whatsoever. Any heat, say goodbye to the terpenes. I notice it in the buzz. It is bye, bye something that is important. Using no heat requires a lot more time to fully purge the product. Different strains can have a big difference on the texture, whether it is sticky, like clay, or shatter. 2. put whatever your purged extract in the refrigerator or freezer. With the colder temperature, it should not be as sticky. Okay, so that was two options.

I have experienced the transfer from the pyrex to a storage container being a PITA. It can be done without rewetting, it is just a pain.

I fully understand where you are coming from of it being a pain. It requires a lot of patience if you are not going to dilute it with some clean original solvent in order to transfer. The only time I use grain alcohol with an iso extraction is when I plan to winterize. The grain alcohol offers a different extraction than iso, so you can't really dilute an iso extraction with grain alcohol. You can winterize an iso extraction with grain alcohol. I also agree that 150 proof is not good enough. If all you can get is 99% iso, just continue to work with that.

Hope this helps.

Don't feel bad if things went wrong. If I told you all of the things that went wrong for me, you would probably want to vomit. We gain experience by making mistakes.

 

[canadianleaf]

@canadianleaf Our government controlled likker stores in Alberta have high test EC, but the ones in BC do not. In BC you can buy 99% ISO for $4/litre.



What did you use for your initial extraction? Heck, if you just need to soften it up use the rum! But it'll take awhile to evap...

I used iso 99% was 5$ for 500ml (i hate ontario prices, even iso is costing double lol I wish i still lived in alberta i miss the everclear the hours of the stores were awesome too, cant buy anything alcoholic after 10pm in ontario)

I will try another qwiso run as soon as i have an opportunity, i think stirring it and freezing should help.

Would using a bit more iso be a good idea to soften it up a bit to transfer? Would it not cause more of the good stuff to go away if adding to an almost purged substance?