coolbreeze

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I don’t see the RAFT!
Don't worry, he's ready:

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endof3d

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Hiya, I want to take a Dynavap with FMJ to Portugal this summer.
Does anyone have any knowledge of what butane gas refill brands are available in shops there please? I'm looking for the equivalent of the "Near Zero Impurities" brands we have in the UK to keep my torch lighters from failing.
Failing that, has anyone had much success using a Bic lighter with an FMJ as an alternative heating method? There is a gas ring there but I'm looking for a solution that can be used in places other than just the kitchen. Thanks

Don't need much of a torch to heat a DV with FMJ. A small inexpensive, pocket lighter that you're not attached to would work even if the propane wasn't pure. I often use this Honest torch to heat the Anvil with good results. Should work well with a DV + FMJ. Vestratto's owner suggested this torch, as it's the one he uses.

Both flame tips intersect at one point, so easy to hit a mark. Had it for three months with no problems. Holds plenty of fuel, adjustable and pocketable. Beware of the knock offs, as they don't have heat vents below the flame out put for cooling the unit for sustained use.
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vandalizedbythelotus

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I wanted those for a while now, they should open up the airflow on my 19M just a little bit more. Unfortunately it's hard to track them down here in the EU...
Do you know the exact diameter and the mesh size? Or an idea on where to find them in the EU?
the diameter is 8mm, size is 100ish i believe (ideally i would get something more dense for better small particle filtering). the round revolve mesh filters are 8mm as well but a bit more open.

you can find cheaper 9mm ones on ebay/amazon and bend/cut them.
those actually work really well in the 19M to sorta make a half bowl, by bending the edge and resting them on top of the CCD retention groove geometry.

alternatively buy a punch and desired 304/316 stainless mesh# to make your own lifetime supply.
 
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Yeah, they got me on something recently too. No sooner bought it than it went on sale. Good thing is that once you try your Wand and Vong, you may just forget about the sale altogether!
I'm still happy - got the Vong plus some accessories I wanted from Sneaky Pete who had a great price. Oddly the Wand was selling at the top of the MSRP there but Dynavap had a great price on the Wand. So I bought my DV from SP but my Wand from DV. Odd, eh? :)
 

My_50p_worth

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Pretty cool that DV are supplying the wand as an IH option now, funnily enough it’s the only adjustable IH in the shop

I think the wand is the perfect starter IH - find the depth that gives you the desired results, job done. Borrowing a friends DV or want a different hit? Just change the depth. No special techniques, no pulsing. You can even purchase an insert if you want to turn it into a totally consistent “plug and play” experience

I think a lot of people that don’t like IH started with something like the UFO or Apollo, and never learnt how to get a tune out of it. In that case you’d definitely come out disappointed and wondering why they’re so popular
 

condition

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Pretty cool that DV are supplying the wand as an IH option now, funnily enough it’s the only adjustable IH in the shop

I think the wand is the perfect starter IH - find the depth that gives you the desired results, job done. Borrowing a friends DV or want a different hit? Just change the depth. No special techniques, no pulsing. You can even purchase an insert if you want to turn it into a totally consistent “plug and play” experience

I think a lot of people that don’t like IH started with something like the UFO or Apollo, and never learnt how to get a tune out of it. In that case you’d definitely come out disappointed and wondering why they’re so popular
I hope is not for starters only. I just placed an order @ dynavap.eu together with a "2000 M" for free as this weekend's offer.
In the past I purchased 2 IHs, Apollo 2 Rover and Orion 2, both battery operated. I don't like them. There are no customization options and pulse heating is the only way for decent vapor but it is annoying procedure. The Apollo feels like powerless. I have to heat wait for clicks leave it cool out the reheat etc. The Orion on the other hand is like the opposite of the Rover: it heats very fast the vapor density is OK but the taste is subpar. The construction quality feels cheap.
So I placed my bet into the Wand and the FMJ, as I prefer DV for micro-dosing more than any other vaporizer.
 

My_50p_worth

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I hope is not for starters only. I just placed an order @ dynavap.eu together with a "2000 M" for free as this weekend's offer.
In the past I purchased 2 IHs, Apollo 2 Rover and Orion 2, both battery operated. I don't like them. There are no customization options and pulse heating is the only way for decent vapor but it is annoying procedure. The Apollo feels like powerless. I have to heat wait for clicks leave it cool out the reheat etc. The Orion on the other hand is like the opposite of the Rover: it heats very fast the vapor density is OK but the taste is subpar. The construction quality feels cheap.
So I placed my bet into the Wand and the FMJ, as I prefer DV for micro-dosing more than any other vaporizer.
Yeah man you’ll have no such issues with the wand! I’m an advanced IH user (I know how to get whatever roast I want from a UFO and the DV IH’s) and I absolutely love the wand. It’s my preferred IH by far, I like things to “just work” and the wand is easily the best IH for that

Nothing comes close in terms of on demand flexibility. You could clear a bowl in one hit and then decide to sip the next one in 5-6 heat cycles. All on the same tip and without moving any corks or plugs around.

One thing is that the FMJ won’t work on IH, but with the wand the FMJ isn’t really necessary once you’ve worked out your depth
 

fogbank

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Pretty cool that DV are supplying the wand as an IH option now, funnily enough it’s the only adjustable IH in the shop

I think the wand is the perfect starter IH - find the depth that gives you the desired results, job done. Borrowing a friends DV or want a different hit? Just change the depth. No special techniques, no pulsing. You can even purchase an insert if you want to turn it into a totally consistent “plug and play” experience

I think a lot of people that don’t like IH started with something like the UFO or Apollo, and never learnt how to get a tune out of it. In that case you’d definitely come out disappointed and wondering why they’re so popular
I started with the UFO and subsequently acquired the Black Shadow, Orion V2, the YLL heater, and the Ispire Wand. It's true that I never really got my technique dialed in for the Wand.

find the depth that gives you the desired results, job done
ou can even purchase an insert if you want to turn it into a totally consistent “plug and play” experience

This is primarily why I didn't like the Wand for the DV. I do not want to hold the DV at just the right depth in the coil, I want the depth to be controlled so I don't have to keep my hand in just the right position. The DV adapter for the Wand was not useful for me - it did not keep the DV at the depth that I preferred.

The other main reason that I did not like the Wand for the DV is the size of the coil. The diameter of the coil in the Wand is huge compared to the diameter of the DV. The Wand was designed to heat the included bangers and has the coil diameter set for that purpose. It feel that it is very inefficient to heat the DV in such a large coil. My other heaters have coil diameters that fit the DV better and heat more efficiently.

Yes I could work with the Wand more to get my technique dialed-in for the DV, but I don't see the point. The only benefit for me would be the replaceable 18650 batteries.
 

My_50p_worth

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It feel that it is very inefficient to heat the DV in such a large coil. My other heaters have coil diameters that fit the DV better and heat more efficiently.

How do you measure this efficiency? I hear this thrown around from time to time but I’ve yet to see some hard data showing a real world difference. Hell, I can put the DV at an angle and it still roasts evenly

As for the depth thing, the more time you spend with it you’ll get a feel for it. I will concede it can be a pain in the dark though. It’s not an instant mastery device but it has a relatively small learning curve with the benefit of instant adaptability. I hear of so few combusting incidents compared to the DV IH range, so it’s certainly a user thing as opposed to a device thing in your case

Have you tried returning the adapter? That doesn’t sound like how it should work at all, mine exhibited no such behaviour and most people online get on with it just fine. When you get a working one they’re great, and I know you’re an enthusiast like me so I’d love you to be able to see what the wand can do
 
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fogbank

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How do you measure this efficiency? I hear this thrown around from time to time but I’ve yet to see some hard data showing a real world difference. Hell, I can put the DV at an angle and it still roasts evenly

As for the depth thing, the more time you spend with it you’ll get a feel for it. I will concede it can be a pain in the dark though. It’s not an instant mastery device but it has a relatively small learning curve with the benefit of instant adaptability. I hear of so few combusting incidents compared to the DV IH range, so it’s certainly a user thing as opposed to a device thing in your case

Have you tried returning the adapter? That doesn’t sound like how it should work at all, mine exhibited no such behaviour and most people online get on with it just fine. When you get a working one they’re great, and I know you’re an enthusiast like me so I’d love you to be able to see what the wand can do
I am not measuring the efficiency of the Wand, but I am relying on information such as this to form my conclusion:

COMPONENTS OF INDUCTION HEATING

1. In order to increase the induction heaters efficiency, the distance between the coil and the workpiece must be minimized. The efficiency of the coupling between the coil and the workpiece is inversely proportional to the square root of the distance between them.

The distance between the coil and the workpiece when using the DV with the Wand is far greater than the distance when using the DV with any of my other heaters, which were made specifically for the DV.

I have not bothered to return the DV adapter. It is not defective, it just does not meet my usage requirements. I don't feel like that is a valid reason to return it.

I prefer to drop my DV into the heater at the depth determined by the heater and control the results with timing.
 

My_50p_worth

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The distance between the coil and the workpiece when using the DV with the Wand is far greater than the distance when using the DV with any of my other heaters, which were made specifically for the DV.

So despite that you don’t actually notice any real world difference? That’s what I’m more interested in, I’m already fairly well versed in IH theory but I totally see your point

I don’t think the small efficiency difference on paper is particularly consequential when combined with the relatively small demands we place on the IH, and if there was a difference it would’ve been noted a long time ago given the ever growing wand/DV install base

Fair enough if you don’t feel it is defective, but a device made to hold something in a fixed position being unable to do so does sound rather defective to me. Especially when said device does this task admirably for the majority of users ;)

I get you with the timing thing though, for sure. If you’ve found what works for you that’s brilliant. As I’ve said to you before though, it’s important to bare in mind both you and myself are advanced users that understand the theory of these things and can understand how and why some take more finagling than others.

Most people buying IH are fed up with the technique demands of a torch and are drawn to the supposed simplicity of IH. This is why I think DV IH’s and their technique demands are actively harming the scene and giving IH a bad rap

For all his personality flaws, Steve Jobs truly got that “make it just work” mentality. I think it should guide product design wherever possible
 
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fogbank

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So despite that you don’t actually notice any real world difference? That’s what I’m more interested in, I’m already fairly well versed in IH theory but I totally see your point
I may have made it sound like I read the theory first and looked for the proof, but that is not what happened. I felt that the Wand was less efficient than my other heaters, then I looked for an explanation.

It was probably more evident to me when using the Wand with the Anvil than with the DV. I noticed that after using the Wand with the Anvil the batteries would be depleted and would take a charge after only one session. It also seemed to take longer to get the Anvil to click when compared to my other heaters. With the UFO or the Black Shadow I can vape at least 2 Anvil bowls before they will take a charge.

So those things made me "feel" that the Wand was less efficient, and I looked for a reason.

Of course this was not a scientific study. Truly comparing two completely different devices with different batteries, circuit boards, and coil configurations would require controlling for a lot more variables.

As for the DV adapter, it did keep the DV at a fixed position - I just didn't like the dept that it provided.
 

VapCap

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Hello 👋,

Just dropping by. Pretty amazing to see how everything continues to evolve and this place does a great job on keeping up on the change in the space.
I'll be in Europe for about a week and headed to Berlin for Mary Jane tomorrow. I hope to meet up with some people from the community.

Cheers,

George
 
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